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| rm_you| | blogan: you there? | 00:33 |
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| blogan | rm_you: now I am | 01:31 |
| rm_you | ssee PM | 01:32 |
| rm_you | *see PM | 01:32 |
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| blogan | who is that last +1 on amphora? | 01:50 |
| blogan | someone is stuffing the ballot boxes! | 01:50 |
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| rm_you | lol | 01:58 |
| rm_you | blogan: have you still not voted for amphora yet? >_> | 01:59 |
| blogan | i have not | 01:59 |
| rm_you | <_< | 01:59 |
| rm_you | k | 01:59 |
| blogan | thematic names are cool and all, but i think they detract from actual understanding of what they actually are | 02:00 |
| rm_you | i think amphora is actually quite clear | 02:02 |
| rm_you | much clearer than most of the others <_< | 02:03 |
| blogan | if you know what amphora means | 02:03 |
| rm_you | it's another word for container, without being the word "container" | 02:03 |
| rm_you | :) | 02:03 |
| rm_you | I knew what it was before <_< | 02:03 |
| blogan | well i would wager 95% of people aren't as enlightened as you are | 02:03 |
| rm_you | >_> | 02:04 |
| rm_you | so you're saying I'm too smart now? :P | 02:04 |
| blogan | no, that you have a light within shining as bright as 1000 suns | 02:05 |
| rm_you | umm... cool? :P | 02:06 |
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| blogan | so other than adam, no one else knows what the hell amphora is | 14:59 |
| xgerman | amphora? | 14:59 |
| blogan | see | 14:59 |
| blogan | thats a name that got thrown in at the end of the vote yesterday | 15:00 |
| sbalukoff | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/octavia-backend-name | 15:00 |
| blogan | its a roman container | 15:00 |
| xgerman | I had our naming specialist Julian look at it | 15:00 |
| sbalukoff | Which goes along well with the roman naming theme. | 15:00 |
| sbalukoff | (ie. "Octavia" is a roman name.) | 15:00 |
| blogan | goes along well with it but no one knwos what it means | 15:00 |
| xgerman | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amphora | 15:01 |
| blogan | i will fight this! but will accept the result | 15:01 |
| xgerman | I am a quick study | 15:01 |
| sbalukoff | blogan: Again, I don't see a problem with this. It doesn't take much for people to get up to speed on this, and it has the benefit of not colliding with other names (which would carry an implied meaning from the get-go) | 15:01 |
| blogan | xgerman: you know how to google i see | 15:01 |
| xgerman | indeed :-) | 15:02 |
| xgerman | more coffee - I need to be alert when Stephen comes :-) | 15:02 |
| sbalukoff | Ugh. | 15:02 |
| sbalukoff | I'm supposed to be sleeping right now. | 15:02 |
| sbalukoff | So... I'm going back to bed. | 15:02 |
| blogan | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/octavia-backend-name | 15:03 |
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| blogan | sbalukoff: if we're okay with making people look up what amphora means for octavia, why would we nto be okay with expecting people to look up with device/application/mechanism/pod means for octavia | 15:04 |
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| sbalukoff | blogan: Because they won't-- people will make assumptions about what it means because those words carry meaning in other similar contexts. | 15:36 |
| sbalukoff | If you have to look up the definition of amphora, that means you didn't have a previous meaning attached to the name. | 15:37 |
| sbalukoff | Plus, I like that it can be shortened to 'amps' for casual conversation. :) | 15:38 |
| sbalukoff | Also, 'amphora' wasn't my suggestion originally. But rm_work totally convinced me it's the right name to use. | 15:40 |
| sbalukoff | So, blame him. | 15:40 |
| rm_mobile | Heh | 15:41 |
| rm_mobile | Yeah, I think looking it up is OK, for the reason sbalukoff mentioned | 15:42 |
| rm_mobile | Voting closes... 12:00 in what time zone? | 15:44 |
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| dougwig | it was my suggestion. i got inspiration while... umm... doing something. | 17:04 |
| dougwig | mountain time zone. although since it was rather irregularly shoved in at the last minute, i don't think we can really stand on ceremony on a deadline. | 17:04 |
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| dougwig | vote vote vote https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/octavia-backend-name ... or register your objection at how sloppily run this vote has been. | 17:38 |
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| rm_work | dougwig: yeah but there does have to be an official cutoff at some point | 18:14 |
| rm_work | dougwig: is it too late to undo moving the votes around like that? | 18:19 |
| rm_work | it's confusing and makes it hard to find out who voted for what without going to the history playback | 18:20 |
| dougwig | moving what votes around? i copied the original for the runoff. | 18:20 |
| rm_work | the highlighting says they all belong to you? | 18:21 |
| dougwig | oh crap. | 18:21 |
| rm_work | maybe undo? :P | 18:21 |
| rm_work | can look in history... but... it's suboptimal | 18:22 |
| rm_work | need to use ctrl-z :P | 18:22 |
| rm_work | otherwise :/ | 18:22 |
| dougwig | dangit, i got disconnected. i fixed a few of them, but it's reverting the folks who aren't connected to my color. | 18:22 |
| dougwig | sorry | 18:22 |
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| crc32 | Sounds like some voting irregularities going on here. | 18:23 |
| rm_work | yeah ah well | 18:23 |
| rm_work | we can look in the history to verify | 18:23 |
| crc32 | we got some hanging chads in either pad. | 18:23 |
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| dougwig | time to file a lawsuit. | 18:31 |
| crc32 | its 2000 all over again. | 18:33 |
| crc32 | so when is the vote closed anyways | 18:33 |
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| blogan | yes you can't know if i voted already! i get another vote | 19:07 |
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| amphora | hey i've heard some unsettling rumors that the name amphora is going to be used in your project. I have a copyright and trademark on that name so you can't use it. | 19:10 |
| blogan | oh really? | 19:11 |
| blogan | well damn I guess we can't use it | 19:11 |
| blogan | sbalukoff, dougwig, and rm_work will have to abide by the law. It is disappointing. | 19:11 |
| rm_work | lolol blogan nice try | 19:12 |
| rm_work | "bran3993 | 19:12 |
| rm_work | " | 19:12 |
| rm_work | amphora (bran3993@nat/rackspace/x-psgcrpvitdhfcvze) joined the channel. | 19:12 |
| rm_work | :P | 19:12 |
| blogan | oh wow someone with a similar name | 19:12 |
| blogan | that works at rackspace | 19:12 |
| blogan | 6000 people, it happens | 19:12 |
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| blogan | seriously though, between having this decision hang around for another day and going with amphora, i would go with amphora | 19:16 |
| blogan | the war of attrition has defeated me | 19:16 |
| TrevorV | I would still fight, but he's right, it would be in vain. Since people seem to like naming things that either don't make sense (octavia, which is a car) or require looking up a definition to make sense of it (amphora........ self explanatory) | 19:24 |
| * TrevorV wants to note that he isn't complaining about octavia, just using it as an example | 19:24 | |
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| dougwig | user amphora, lol | 19:43 |
| a2hill | So, battlestar-loadtallica?????? | 19:48 |
| dougwig | alright, i'm going to re-spin the review as amphora. standby, and you can always -1 there if you need. | 19:58 |
| blogan | just stay with vm | 20:10 |
| blogan | dougwig: can I -2? | 20:10 |
| dougwig | i certainly can't stop you. :) | 20:17 |
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| dougwig | btw, octavia's jenkins should be fixed now. patch was merged into infra. | 20:41 |
| rm_work | cool | 20:42 |
| rm_work | remember the plural is amphorae :P | 20:42 |
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| dougwig | https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/dsD26VsH | 20:53 |
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| * blogan vomits | 20:54 | |
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| openstackgerrit | Doug Wiegley proposed a change to stackforge/octavia: Initial directory skeleton https://review.openstack.org/117701 | 20:59 |
| dougwig | there ya go. | 20:59 |
| sbalukoff | Hey y'all! | 21:00 |
| sbalukoff | I'm back after meeting with the HP team for a few hours. What was the result of the vote? | 21:00 |
| sbalukoff | other than blogan vomiting? | 21:00 |
| rm_work | lol | 21:02 |
| rm_work | Amphora/e FTW :) | 21:02 |
| dougwig | reviewers, please go put your mark on that review. pretty much everything else depends on it, so let's get it out of gerrit. | 21:03 |
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| rm_work | dougwig: what is client/__init__.py ? | 21:03 |
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| dougwig | anything of note in the hp meeting? | 21:03 |
| rm_work | why is there a client folder | 21:03 |
| dougwig | a placeholder for the CLI/api client. | 21:03 |
| rm_work | yeah, isn't that usually in a different project named python-octaviaclient ? | 21:03 |
| rm_work | to match what EVERY other project I'm aware of does | 21:04 |
| dougwig | yep, but we also put specs in tree, so i followed suit. figured we could split it later. or, if someone else wants to go setup the stackforge, hit it. | 21:04 |
| rm_work | hmm | 21:04 |
| rm_work | I guess that's ok for now -- as long as they stay completely separate :P | 21:04 |
| rm_work | we can pull it out later, yeah | 21:05 |
| rm_work | one major reason for that is that the python-clients don't follow the same release schedule | 21:05 |
| rm_work | they aren't locked by the Juno feature freeze, for instance | 21:05 |
| dougwig | stackforge doesn't follow the normal release process, either. :) | 21:06 |
| rm_work | truth | 21:06 |
| rm_work | as long as it's clear that eventually it will need to be pulled out :) | 21:06 |
| dougwig | i agree, and both the client and spec subdirs should be their own repos at some point. seems like extra bookkeeping right now. | 21:06 |
| rm_work | agreed | 21:08 |
| rm_work | I feel like driver_base.py could just be base.py since the path is octavia.amphorae.drivers.driver_base | 21:09 |
| rm_work | which is also similar to what other projects to | 21:09 |
| rm_work | *do | 21:09 |
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| rm_work | I'll just do a huge comment :P | 21:09 |
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| rm_work | dougwig: comments posted | 21:14 |
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| sbalukoff | dougwig: Will do momentarily, eh! | 21:23 |
| openstackgerrit | Doug Wiegley proposed a change to stackforge/octavia: Initial directory skeleton https://review.openstack.org/117701 | 21:28 |
| rm_work | +1 :) | 21:33 |
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| sbalukoff | Question for all of you: Are y'all running with python 3.3 in your environments at all? Or is everyone on python 2.6 or 2.7? | 22:22 |
| sbalukoff | (I'm wondering how worthwhile it is to have python 3.3 or 3.4 checks enabled for Jenkins) | 22:22 |
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| dougwig | eventlet and python3 are incompatible. i'd leave the check if it worked. | 22:33 |
| dougwig | i enable py34 and pypy in any project that it'll work for. | 22:34 |
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| rm_work | sbalukoff: lolol | 22:44 |
| rm_work | sbalukoff: i have py33 via pyenv for many other projects | 22:45 |
| rm_work | but i don't *use* it, really | 22:45 |
| rm_work | sbalukoff: was reminded of this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/118479/ | 22:47 |
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| dougwig | rm_work: ahh yes, such a silly piece of failed social engineering. | 23:28 |
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