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| rm_mobile | sbalukoff: hey | 04:15 |
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| rm_mobile | I'm in Seattle. Did you guys have lunch plans tomorrow? I'd be down to meet up if you don't yet | 04:16 |
| blogan_ | he doesn't want to eat lunch with you | 04:16 |
| rm_mobile | Lol | 04:18 |
| blogan_ | i must not be aware of yet another meme, some potato room | 04:18 |
| blogan_ | room | 04:18 |
| blogan_ | meme | 04:18 |
| blogan_ | yikes | 04:18 |
| rm_mobile | You should see the LoC I pumped out while on that plane | 04:18 |
| blogan_ | Looks of Condescending? | 04:19 |
| rm_mobile | Two major CR updates and a brand new 175 line CR | 04:19 |
| rm_mobile | Lines of Code :P | 04:19 |
| blogan_ | i know | 04:19 |
| rm_mobile | Looking for a link for you for that meme now <_< | 04:19 |
| rm_mobile | http://www.reddit.com/r/AskPolitburo | 04:20 |
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| rm_mobile | Hopefully not SUPER offensive <_< | 04:21 |
| rm_mobile | ... Pretty offensive | 04:22 |
| blogan_ | well its out there now | 04:22 |
| rm_mobile | Heh | 04:23 |
| rm_mobile | You are laughing, don't lie :P | 04:26 |
| blogan_ | is this what you call humor? | 04:27 |
| rm_mobile | And yet, the state of life in some countries is very sad :( | 04:27 |
| blogan_ | im just amazed at some of the things that become memes | 04:27 |
| rm_mobile | Yeah it's a little ridiculous | 04:28 |
| rm_mobile | Why are you still on T_T | 04:29 |
| rm_mobile | Why do I bother asking | 04:29 |
| blogan_ | why are you on your mobile when you're on eto? | 04:29 |
| rm_mobile | <_< | 04:29 |
| rm_mobile | Well, ostensibly trying to talk to sbalukoff | 04:29 |
| rm_mobile | Since he said to poke at him when I was here, and I think he gave me a number but I must have not put it in my phone :/ | 04:30 |
| blogan_ | tomorrow I'm going to figure out pricing for flights and hotels to see where we come in at | 04:31 |
| rm_mobile | Yeah hotels are really not bad right now | 04:32 |
| rm_mobile | We need to book early | 04:32 |
| blogan_ | well the one's that openstack suggests only have one king size bed | 04:32 |
| rm_mobile | I can put the hotel on my card, so we get free internet this time <_< | 04:32 |
| blogan_ | though over they're htey usually just make the king bed by putting together two twin mattresses | 04:32 |
| rm_mobile | I'll look too when I get to a computer | 04:32 |
| rm_mobile | Heh | 04:33 |
| rm_mobile | When I looked up hotels just via Google, it looked like two person rooms were around $260 | 04:33 |
| blogan_ | two beds? | 04:34 |
| rm_mobile | I'll double check, but obviously those rooms exist :P | 04:34 |
| blogan_ | plus it'd be nice to have the hotel close to the convention center | 04:34 |
| rm_mobile | Yeah the hotel I looked at was basically in it | 04:34 |
| rm_mobile | It's right next to the Arc de Triumph | 04:35 |
| blogan_ | Triomphe | 04:35 |
| rm_mobile | Whatever | 04:35 |
| blogan_ | says the person who is anal about spelling and grammar | 04:35 |
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| rm_mobile | I'm not French | 04:37 |
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| rm_mobile | Damnit, went through a tunnel | 04:37 |
| rm_mobile | Did I miss anything? | 04:38 |
| blogan_ | nope | 04:38 |
| rm_mobile | So there's a couple of good food related places very close to there that we will need to go | 04:41 |
| blogan_ | you goign to be on irc tomorrow? | 04:42 |
| rm_mobile | Probably somewhat | 04:42 |
| rm_mobile | Lol | 04:42 |
| blogan_ | you wanted to put both the rooms on your card right? | 04:43 |
| rm_mobile | Yeah | 04:43 |
| blogan_ | get them rewards | 04:43 |
| rm_mobile | And free Wi-Fi | 04:43 |
| blogan_ | what hotels is that for? | 04:43 |
| rm_mobile | Any under the Starwood umbrella | 04:44 |
| blogan_ | well perhaps we should just put you in charge of finding the hotel and booking the rooms | 04:44 |
| rm_mobile | Primarily Sheraton, Westin, The W, Four Points | 04:44 |
| blogan_ | well looks like you'd want to get the Le Meridien, since that is under starwood | 04:48 |
| blogan_ | and that is one openstack got blocks for | 04:49 |
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| rm_mobile | Aloft, Meridien | 04:52 |
| blogan_ | rm_mobile: le meridien is the one you want | 04:52 |
| rm_mobile | Damn tunnels | 04:52 |
| blogan_ | rm_mobile: its the one openstack got blocks for | 04:52 |
| rm_mobile | Ah | 04:52 |
| rm_mobile | Kk | 04:53 |
| blogan_ | looks like you can get 2 beds and 2 rooms through the starwood website | 04:53 |
| blogan_ | make sure it covers wifi though for your card | 04:53 |
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| dougwig | it's europe, fuck wi-fi. get a $10 prepaid sim card when you get off the plane. | 05:08 |
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| sbalukoff | rm_you rm_work|away: I'd totally be up for lunch with you tomorrow, eh! | 08:52 |
| sbalukoff | But... I'll e-mail you. XD | 08:53 |
| jschwarz | sbalukoff, hi :) | 08:53 |
| sbalukoff | Hi jschwarz! I'm about to head to bed. | 08:57 |
| jschwarz | sbalukoff, so I won't hold you off - nn :) | 09:06 |
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| sballe_ | morninh | 13:50 |
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| jschwarz | sballe_, morning ^^ | 14:02 |
| sballe_ | :-) | 14:03 |
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| sballe_ | Hey Getting back to the design sessions... Let's start a discussion on the mailing list so we all agree on wha sessions we want and where they fit in this new structurre | 14:30 |
| sballe_ | I'll send an email and we can dicuss further on the ML | 14:30 |
| blogan_ | sballe_: sounds good, i nominate you to send that email | 14:30 |
| sballe_ | blogan_, I volunteer | 14:31 |
| xgerman | +1 | 14:31 |
| blogan_ | motion passes! | 14:31 |
| sballe_ | :-) | 14:31 |
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| weigreen | hello, i install lbaas on ubuntu1204 when i start neutron-lbaas-agent, it get the error: AttributeError: 'NoneType' object has no attribute 'rpartition' | 14:34 |
| weigreen | does anyone know who to fix this ? | 14:34 |
| dougwig | can you pastebin the entire exception? | 14:36 |
| weigreen | http://pastebin.com/eUbCke4R this is my log | 14:39 |
| weigreen | i found this https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-chef/+bug/1283237 but i cannot make sure isn't this make the problem | 14:41 |
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| weigreen | sorry, please ignore line 3, 4 in the log | 14:45 |
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| sballe_ | blogan_, done | 14:49 |
| blogan_ | weigreen: i've run into that before, and it has to do with not having a setting in your lbaas_agent.ini | 14:50 |
| blogan_ | can you post your lbaas_agent.ini? | 14:50 |
| weigreen | http://pastebin.com/hZAtKaH2 -> lbaas_agent.ini | 14:52 |
| blogan_ | weigreen: is that located at /etc/neutron/services/lbaas/lbaas_agent.ini? | 14:54 |
| blogan_ | weigreen: try enabling the line that has the interface_driver set to use the OVSInterfaceDriver | 14:57 |
| blogan_ | i hate that error message | 14:58 |
| blogan_ | i gotta go, if that doesn't work I'll look into it more later | 14:58 |
| weigreen | blogan: no, it's located at /etc/neutron/lbaas_agent.ini | 14:58 |
| weigreen | thank i will try it | 14:58 |
| blogan_ | weigreen: and try putting that ini file in this directory (i was wrong up there): /etc/neutron/services/loadbalancer/haproxy/l | 14:59 |
| blogan_ | /etc/neutron/services/loadbalancer/haproxy | 14:59 |
| blogan_ | sorry | 14:59 |
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| weigreen | i tried put it at /etc/neutron/services/loadbalancer/haproxy but it does not work | 15:07 |
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| weigreen | blogan: i found out that maybe it cannot found the config file? | 15:33 |
| weigreen | i and line | 15:33 |
| weigreen | conf.interface_driver = 'neutron.agent.linux.interface.OVSInterfaceDriver' | 15:33 |
| weigreen | in the /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/neutron/services/loadbalancer/drivers/haproxy/namespace_driver.py | 15:34 |
| weigreen | and he wont get that error | 15:34 |
| weigreen | where is the default config file need to be? | 15:35 |
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| rm_mobile | sbalukoff: hey | 16:06 |
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| rm_work | dougwig: sure, but the amount of data I use would crush a $10 prepaid SIM :P | 16:21 |
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| dougwig | rm_work: they have this thing called competition in the cellular market. $10 is unlimited. | 16:39 |
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| rm_work | huh | 16:39 |
| rm_work | I was there last year and the $10 prepaid was like... not much | 16:39 |
| rm_work | though I think I have like $3 left on one | 16:40 |
| rm_work | also registering them was a PITA :P | 16:40 |
| rm_work | since they require an address and I suck at French street names | 16:40 |
| dougwig | do some research on the 2nd tier carriers (which aren't like our 2nd tiers.) every time i go to london it's crazy cheap. | 16:40 |
| rm_work | hmm | 16:41 |
| rm_work | I also didn't have great luck actually getting data to work on my N4, took a couple of tries. I'm definitely a fan of wifi if possible, is the point :P | 16:41 |
| dougwig | yeah, it's just a lot less common over there, and usually requires a subscription, because cell is so ubiquitous. | 16:42 |
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| blogan_ | i dont even know if my phone will work with another sim card | 17:19 |
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| mlavalle | blogan_: you around/ | 17:34 |
| mlavalle | ? | 17:34 |
| rm_work | blogan_: it probably won't >_< | 17:35 |
| rm_work | I have an extra or two that should tho | 17:35 |
| rm_work | blogan_: or you could upgrade to a Nexus5 or something :P | 17:35 |
| xgerman | blogan, you cna tell them you are traveling abroad and they shoudl unlock | 17:36 |
| rm_work | or just stay on hotel / convention wifi | 17:36 |
| rm_work | xgerman: i'd worry about what bands it supports | 17:36 |
| blogan_ | mlavalle: here | 17:36 |
| xgerman | most phones have the basic gsm | 17:36 |
| mlavalle | blogan_: are you at Castle in the afternoon? | 17:36 |
| rm_work | xgerman: he's on some fourth-rate carrier here that offers exactly one phone, and it isn't a flagship or anything... >_> | 17:36 |
| blogan_ | rm_work: actually i still have my nexus 4 | 17:36 |
| blogan_ | mlavalle: at castle | 17:36 |
| rm_work | blogan_: ah then bring that | 17:36 |
| xgerman | nexus 4 will work | 17:36 |
| rm_work | yeah N4 should be fine | 17:37 |
| rm_work | i have N900 / N950 too | 17:37 |
| blogan_ | bringing that puppy with me | 17:37 |
| xgerman | BUT I am with T_Mobile so I have free data oversees + free sms | 17:37 |
| rm_work | that are all unlocked / international | 17:37 |
| blogan_ | i used to have tmobile | 17:37 |
| rm_work | xgerman: oh what? I am tmobile also, wtf is that plan | 17:37 |
| blogan_ | then i went really cheap | 17:37 |
| rm_work | I have their top tier unlimited everything pkan | 17:37 |
| rm_work | *plan | 17:37 |
| xgerman | I have their cheapest family plan - simple choice | 17:37 |
| rm_work | costs me like $90/mo, i hope i have whatever you're talking about already | 17:37 |
| mlavalle | blogan_: I'll stop by around 3 to catch up with you. I had surgery last week and got a little bit disconnected. Want to define next steps in tempest testing | 17:38 |
| xgerman | they now offer free data and SMS in a ton of foreign countries | 17:38 |
| rm_work | xgerman: nice I will call them about it to make sure it's on my plan | 17:38 |
| rm_work | thanks for the tip | 17:38 |
| rm_work | I can switch to skype-calling while i'm there | 17:38 |
| xgerman | well, the data is slow -- but "free" | 17:38 |
| rm_work | heh | 17:38 |
| xgerman | abroad | 17:38 |
| xgerman | they don't give you free LTE or 4g data | 17:38 |
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| xgerman | it's more 3G | 17:39 |
| blogan_ | mlavalle: sorry to hear that, but the next step is in limbo at this point | 17:40 |
| blogan_ | mlavalle: not limbo, just awaiting further orders | 17:40 |
| rm_work | xgerman: 3G is fine <_< | 17:41 |
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| rm_work | at least it isn't EDGE | 17:41 |
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| xgerman | ok, cool | 17:41 |
| mlavalle | blogan_: so, LBaaS v1 will be kept in the official api in Juno and LBaaS v2 will continue as experimental? | 17:42 |
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| blogan_ | mlavalle: yes, and v2 will be in the incubator | 17:42 |
| mlavalle | blogan: ok, so I will continue with the development of the scenario tests. I am going to take the scenario test for v1 and just convert it to v2 | 17:43 |
| blogan_ | that should work | 17:44 |
| mlavalle | blogan_: in that case I will deprive you from seeing my sweet face later today…. sorry | 17:44 |
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| blogan_ | mlavalle: lol maybe i wanted to see your face | 17:51 |
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| rm_mobile | Good lunch :) | 20:45 |
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| rm_work | sbalukoff: any other recommendations for food right around your office? I'll need places for several more meals over the weekend and that place was awesome | 21:01 |
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| sbalukoff | rm_work: Yeah, so just about everything you could eat within a 6 block radius of our office will be good. You can't be this close to Pike Place Market making food and *not* be excellent and expect to survive. | 21:03 |
| sbalukoff | If you see the food trucks in a parking lot on 2nd and Pike one of these days, eat there. They're excellent. | 21:03 |
| sbalukoff | Japonessa (on 1st and Union) has good sushi. It's actually a Japanese + Mexican fusion place (it works! Trust me! I recommend the "El Matador" roll.) | 21:05 |
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| sbalukoff | Etta's (just north of the market on the same street) has excellent seafood. | 21:06 |
| sbalukoff | There are a number of great little shops in the market itself. | 21:06 |
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| sbalukoff | I like "European Sisters" for sandwiches. | 21:06 |
| sbalukoff | And there's this place that does great Filipino food kiddie-corner from Britt's Pickles. | 21:07 |
| sbalukoff | (You should totally have a pickle from them, too-- I like the full sour ones. They use a live culture to brine their pickles and the difference is obvious from the typical store-bought variety.) | 21:07 |
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| sbalukoff | The Peroshky place in the market is also a favorite for good reason. | 21:08 |
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| rm_work | ah yes | 21:09 |
| rm_work | Piroshky Piroshky is on my "must visit" list every year | 21:09 |
| sbalukoff | But, I don't really recommend the Pike Place brew pub. It's pretty average (and you shouldn't settle for average around here.) | 21:10 |
| rm_work | truth | 21:10 |
| sbalukoff | Oh yes! You should totally go to the Pink Door (on Post Alley) for italian one of these evenings. They do a live trapeze show twice a week. And the food's good, too. :D | 21:10 |
| rm_work | I think I've heard of it | 21:10 |
| sbalukoff | It's right across from Kell's, (Irish pub), I think. | 21:11 |
| blogan_ | sbalukoff: what exactly is "kiddie-corner"? | 21:12 |
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| sbalukoff | And if you're not taco'ed out, El Borracho on 1st has excellent gourmet tacos. | 21:12 |
| blogan_ | that'd be like you coming to san antonio to eat seafood | 21:13 |
| sbalukoff | blogan_: It's the same thing as "gegenuber" in German. | 21:13 |
| sbalukoff | So... on a graph, the 1st quadrant is kiddie-corner with the 3rd quadrant. | 21:13 |
| sbalukoff | Not quite across. | 21:13 |
| rm_work | ah | 21:13 |
| rm_work | kitty-corner | 21:14 |
| rm_work | it's a regional thing | 21:14 |
| sbalukoff | Ok, heh! | 21:14 |
| rm_work | there's like 6 words for it in the US | 21:14 |
| rm_work | and you can tell almost down to the city on a couple of them | 21:14 |
| blogan_ | i thoguht it was caddie-corner | 21:14 |
| rm_work | it is one of the questions on the NY Times language quiz | 21:14 |
| sbalukoff | blogan_: You might be surprised at the quality of our tacos around here. ;) | 21:14 |
| rm_work | http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2013/12/20/sunday-review/dialect-quiz-map.html?_r=0 | 21:15 |
| rm_work | everyone take that | 21:15 |
| rm_work | it's freakily accurate | 21:15 |
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| rm_work | kitty-corner kitacorner catercorner catty-corner "kitty cross" "kitty wampus" "diagonal" | 21:18 |
| rm_work | are the options :P | 21:19 |
| rm_work | or "other" | 21:19 |
| blogan_ | thankfully no "kiddie-corner" | 21:19 |
| rm_work | heh | 21:20 |
| sbalukoff | Heh. Kitty Wampus. | 21:27 |
| sbalukoff | I thought that was a term for what happens to an asleep cat when you push her off the back of the couch. | 21:28 |
| blogan_ | is that that cat equivalent of cow tippin | 21:28 |
| sbalukoff | By the way, I love my cats. But they are exceedingly stupid. | 21:28 |
| sbalukoff | And responsible for most of the evils in this world. | 21:28 |
| sbalukoff | blogan_: Slightly less dangerous than the latter, but yes. :) | 21:29 |
| sballe_ | blogan_, ping | 21:38 |
| blogan_ | sballe_ pong | 21:42 |
| sballe_ | blogan_, Regarding the affinity stuff. Let's investigate the server group more. The solution that sahara used was pre- server groups so I am hoping it is ready for use. I just wanted to check with our nova lead. | 21:42 |
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| rm_work | sballe_: I don't know if I will have the time today to type up a full response to your email earlier about design sessions, but the part about "putting Octavia into Neutron-Incubator" is a bit concerning... | 21:43 |
| blogan_ | sballe_: well the server groups will work for making sure we get affinity for HA, but when it comes to colocation and apolocation of a loadbalancer, I think using SameHosts and DifferentHosts works better | 21:44 |
| rm_work | has that thread actually started yet? I don't see it (i see that you wanted to do the discussion in two threads) | 21:44 |
| sballe_ | rm_work, I didn;t start the second threat | 21:44 |
| rm_work | ok | 21:44 |
| rm_work | I guess maybe I will wait for someone else to start it and respond when I can (I am on ETO/PTO right now anyway... not sure why I am on here discussing work things T_T) | 21:45 |
| sballe_ | ok I'll start it | 21:46 |
| rm_work | but i can say that I am *not* a fan of putting the two together, is the simplest form of what i'd answer :) | 21:46 |
| sballe_ | I just want to discuss the pros and cons | 21:46 |
| rm_work | also, I think the subject of those emails is still not quite right, heh (LBass) | 21:46 |
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| rm_work | had to look quite a bit to find it :P | 21:46 |
| sballe_ | yeah I know | 21:46 |
| rm_work | it looks like Octavia design sessions would be day1? according to the other thread about design session format (since we are incubated?) | 21:47 |
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| sballe_ | yeah but here is the catch. If Octavia is not part of Openstack incubator project. Does it even belong there? | 21:49 |
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| rm_work | well, it is "Openstack incubated" I believe, just not "Openstack-Neutron incubated" since we are very much not attached to Neutron | 21:49 |
| rm_work | but I thought according to what mestery and others indicated that we WOULD start out as essentially guaranteed incubation | 21:50 |
| rm_work | mestery / markmcclain could correct me there if that was an incorrect assumption | 21:50 |
| sballe_ | but lbaas v2 is would be incubated not Octavia. Octavia is on stackforge | 21:50 |
| blogan_ | I'm sure it can exist on the Networking program | 21:50 |
| rm_work | but I seem to recall that from the discussions earlier / at the hackathon | 21:50 |
| rm_work | yeah, but Stackforge is where incubated projects live! | 21:51 |
| blogan_ | I dont remember staring out as guaranteed incubation | 21:51 |
| rm_work | that's normal for us to be in stackforge as an incubated project IIRC | 21:51 |
| rm_work | blogan_: yeah it's possible I heard what I wanted to hear and not the reality :) | 21:51 |
| sballe_ | yeah but you have to apply for incubation... A stackforge project is not an incubated project | 21:51 |
| sballe_ | LIbra is on stackforge and never made incubation | 21:52 |
| rm_work | yeah, but I thought part of the discussion to come out of the earlier talks was that we would be at least "looked upon favorably" for a quick incubation | 21:52 |
| rm_work | that might be closer to accurate | 21:52 |
| rm_work | then again, whether we can trust that, who knows | 21:52 |
| rm_work | but I hope that is going to be the case | 21:52 |
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| rm_work | I think we hold out for incubation as a standalone product | 21:52 |
| rm_work | rather than try to tie in with neutron-lbaas-v2 | 21:53 |
| sballe_ | then Octavia has a good chance to never become an openstack project | 21:53 |
| rm_work | because the amount of caveats and strings attached that would come with that is just too much for me to want to deal with | 21:53 |
| rm_work | I think if we work at it hard enough it shouldn't be a problem | 21:53 |
| sballe_ | and Octavia to me is tied to LBaaS v2 anyway to eventually become its own project | 21:53 |
| rm_work | I mean, Libra was pretty much just HP driving it, wasn't it? Octavia has significantly more support behind it already | 21:53 |
| rm_work | I would be interested in hearing mestery's take on the issue | 21:54 |
| sballe_ | Let me start the email on the ML so we capture all these good points | 21:54 |
| * mestery reads scrollback ... | 21:54 | |
| mestery | Is there a tl;dr? ;) | 21:54 |
| rm_work | and maybe I am being overly optimistic, but I don't forsee incubation for Octavia as a standalone project to be unlikely | 21:54 |
| rm_work | mestery: pretty much the line i just said :P | 21:54 |
| mestery | rm_work: hahahahahah | 21:55 |
| mestery | So, is the question about where octavia should live? | 21:55 |
| rm_work | there will be a ML thread, so you can save official responses for there I suppose, but the question is whether we hold out for Octavia to be incubated on its own into Openstack, or whether we try to bundle Octavia in with LBaaS-v2 in Neutron-Incubator | 21:55 |
| sballe_ | working on it' | 21:56 |
| rm_work | I'm a strong proponent of the former | 21:56 |
| rm_work | but there is concern that incubation on its own is less than assured | 21:56 |
| mestery | That's an interesting question | 21:56 |
| mestery | What does the team here think? | 21:56 |
| rm_work | I think the ML is going to be the official "vote" on the subject, including pro/con arguments | 21:56 |
| rm_work | but I'm definitely for Octavia being standalone | 21:57 |
| rm_work | I gather sballe_ is for Octavia joining Neutron-Lbaas in the incubator? | 21:57 |
| mestery | At first glance, I would agree rm_work. | 21:57 |
| blogan_ | if we can guarantee openstack incubation then i'm all for that | 21:57 |
| rm_work | I don't know about others, I think sbalukoff probably has an opinion, seeing as how he has opinions on things :) | 21:57 |
| blogan_ | i think sballe_ is for Octavia being in Openstack in any form | 21:58 |
| rm_work | but yeah, it comes down to "how sure is it that Octavia will be successfully granted incubation status" | 21:58 |
| sballe_ | rm_work, I am open to both ideas I just want us to discuss it and know why we chose one over the other | 21:58 |
| mestery | rm_work: hahahahahaha | 21:58 |
| mestery | sballe_: ++ | 21:58 |
| sballe_ | rm_work, blogan_ and also we need it to end up as an openstack project | 21:58 |
| rm_work | blogan_ / sballe_ : err, i think you are more correctly quoting her actually yes :P | 21:58 |
| rm_work | yeah that's fair sballe_ | 21:58 |
| sballe_ | rm_work, mestery blogan_ e this thread to the mailing list :-) | 21:59 |
| sballe_ | so we move this to ... | 21:59 |
| mestery | sballe_: ++ | 22:00 |
| rm_work | lol that list of tags is so long | 22:00 |
| rm_work | it's so long that it takes up the entire length of my viewport for email titles T_T | 22:00 |
| sballe_ | :-) gmail is filtering the email for me and this time it worked | 22:00 |
| sballe_ | I guess I forgto the subject... I am still getting us to gmail | 22:01 |
| rm_work | heh | 22:01 |
| rm_work | mestery: who all votes on incubation requests? the technical committee? | 22:03 |
| mestery | rm_work: Yes, the TC is the place | 22:04 |
| rm_work | and we need how many votes out of how many voters? | 22:04 |
| sballe_ | rm_work, it is a lot of work. I was watching designate work to become incubated and they did a lot of talking to all the TCs about hwat they needed to do. | 22:08 |
| rm_work | yeah | 22:08 |
| rm_work | It's definitely a major political process | 22:08 |
| sballe_ | Note that they didn;t make it the first time they applied | 22:08 |
| mlavalle | blogan_: is this still good https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Neutron/LBaaS/DeployWithDevstack? | 22:08 |
| rm_work | one which we should start working toward *immediately*, I think, if we plan to do that | 22:08 |
| sballe_ | mestery, feel free to add your 2 cents to the thread on the ML :) | 22:12 |
| rm_work | I might prefer to hear from mestery with regard to his thoughts on the *feasibility* of both options, before I really commit to one or the other | 22:13 |
| sballe_ | rm_work, mestery +1 | 22:13 |
| rm_work | I'm definitely in favor of standalone, but I have had less experience with the actual process than others here, so if it is really not feasible to do it that way, I could be convinced the other way | 22:13 |
| blogan_ | mlavalle: yes it is | 22:14 |
| mlavalle | blogan_: :-) | 22:15 |
| sballe_ | mlavalle, thanks for the pointer. I will tyr it out too | 22:17 |
| mlavalle | sballe_: it works great :-) | 22:17 |
| sballe_ | mlavalle, cool! | 22:18 |
| mlavalle | sballe_: just blindly follow the steps and you'll get a shinny neutron with LBaaS v2 | 22:18 |
| rm_work | heh | 22:18 |
| rm_work | I should write a deploy script... | 22:19 |
| sballe_ | mlavalle, perfect and if it doesn't give me the shinny neutron lbaas v2 blogan_ will fix the instructions ;-) | 22:19 |
| sballe_ | or maybe rm_work :) | 22:19 |
| rm_work | for some reason, writing BASH deployment scripts is one of my guilty pleasures | 22:19 |
| sballe_ | :-) | 22:19 |
| mlavalle | sballe_: maybe you already have one, but if you need it, I can share with you my local.conf | 22:19 |
| sballe_ | I'd like to your local.conf just in case | 22:20 |
| * mlavalle creating a gist for sballe_ | 22:20 | |
| rm_work | for example, Devstack + Barbican + Tempest: https://gist.github.com/rm-you/6feacb91182f5c011018 | 22:20 |
| sballe_ | thx | 22:21 |
| sballe_ | Talk to you later.. It is dinner time here on the East Coast :-) | 22:22 |
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| rm_work | :) | 22:22 |
| mlavalle | sballe_: https://gist.github.com/miguellavalle/2e02f9ece825e9d3e130 | 22:24 |
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| sbalukoff | Hi guys, Sorry-- was dealing with another issue when the above conversation took place. | 22:36 |
| rm_work | heh | 22:37 |
| sbalukoff | I'm not in favor of moving Octavia into Neutron incubator, or under the Neutron umbrella at all at present. It will probably fit well under a 'Networking' project umbrella, but that project has yet to be formally conceived, and governance, workflow, integration and other issues have yet to be even remotely worked out. | 22:37 |
| sbalukoff | I think both Octavia and Neutron will be better off if we remain separate for the time being. | 22:37 |
| xgerman | yeah, put that in an e-mail | 22:38 |
| sbalukoff | I will. | 22:38 |
| sbalukoff | As far as "openstack incubation" (which is a VERY different beast than neutron incubator), I think that should be the goal of course. There's not much point to this project if we aren't trying to get there. | 22:39 |
| * rm_work agrees | 22:39 | |
| xgerman | well, we made the decision to go on stackforge before Neutron incubation existed. So it makes sense to re-evalaute our decision | 22:39 |
| sbalukoff | But I also understand the code needs to be fairly mature to get there. And seeing as how the only actual code we have right now are a few database migrations, I take that to mean we are far, far away from being ready for that right now. | 22:39 |
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| sbalukoff | xgerman: My opinion is still that we don't want to be under Neutron-incubator governance right now, nor does neutron-incubator really want to govern us. | 22:40 |
| rm_work | yeah, I am a little worried we are mixing "incubated project" and "move into neutron-incubator" together and assuming they are the same thing, and they perhaps are very different beasts | 22:40 |
| rm_work | which is basically what sbalukoff just said I think, looking back :P | 22:41 |
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| xgerman | yeah, we probably need some more fact gathering ;-) | 22:42 |
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| sbalukoff | And we need people to follow through on the action items from the meeting. | 22:42 |
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| sbalukoff | I feel like we spend so much time on the "what ifs" on this project lately that we're not actually getting anything practical done. | 22:43 |
| sbalukoff | And now's the time for actually getting shit done. :/ | 22:43 |
| sbalukoff | (As odd as that sounds, from me, I know.0 | 22:43 |
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| xgerman | yep. agreed | 22:44 |
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| dougwig | sballe_ asks an interesting question. my first reaction was to think, of course it shouldn't be under neutron incubator, as out of tree driver backends to neutron lbaas are fairly well understood, so we don't *need* that level of integration for octavia. on the other side of the coin, one thing we do need to learn before incubation is how to be part of | 22:44 |
| dougwig | openstack. right now, there are parts of it we sort of hate, and i get a feeling of a strong sense of bucking the "stupid" and moving forward. how much is "stupid" and how much is us not knowing our asses from our elbows, I don't know, but we'd learn that quicker in the neutron incubator than on our own. | 22:44 |
| dougwig | sbalukoff: +1 | 22:44 |
| xgerman | dougwig +1 | 22:45 |
| xgerman | yeah, also sbalukoff asked for the discussion ro happen now instead of the summit ;-) | 22:46 |
| sbalukoff | Also understand that when / if "LBaaS" gets spun out of Neutron, it's not going to be Octavia. Octavia is supposed to be an operator-grade implementation. I see "LBaaS" becoming some other project ("OpenStack LBaaS" or some other name people vote on), and Octavia will be one driver to provide the service there. | 22:47 |
| rm_work | yeah, I feel like the summit is very late for those discussions to happen | 22:47 |
| rm_work | though I guess it's... only two months out? | 22:48 |
| sbalukoff | Three | 22:48 |
| xgerman | yep, and things are still evolving with the Neutron incubator | 22:48 |
| dougwig | i think it's too soon to talk about neutron incubator, as it's not released yet, and way to soon to talk spinout, as we need some working code. | 22:48 |
| sbalukoff | Oh, man, you're right, it's a little over two. | 22:48 |
| sbalukoff | Damn. | 22:48 |
| xgerman | in the beginning one of our gaols was to have Octavia become the Neutron LBaaS reference implementation | 22:49 |
| sbalukoff | xgerman: It probably will be. | 22:49 |
| sbalukoff | But again, it's an implementation, it's not Neutron LBaaS itself. | 22:49 |
| rm_work | sbalukoff: err well, it's like day two of November | 22:50 |
| xgerman | yep, but we need to figure out what the ebst way is to hitch those wagons together | 22:50 |
| rm_work | and right now it is essentially september | 22:50 |
| rm_work | maybe 8.5 weeks? >_> | 22:50 |
| sbalukoff | xgerman: It's already figured out. Octavia will have a Neutron LBaaS driver. | 22:50 |
| sbalukoff | rm_work: Yep. | 22:50 |
| rm_work | ah yeah I answered before finishing reading :P | 22:51 |
| xgerman | yep. so practically we remobe the Neutron LBaaS haproxy driver and ask people for testing to install the Octavia project | 22:52 |
| sbalukoff | xgerman: When Octavia is ready for that, yes. | 22:52 |
| xgerman | ok, and the Neutron incubator is for code WIP so... | 22:52 |
| dougwig | it's not for WIPs. it's for incomplete/experimental implementations. | 22:53 |
| sbalukoff | Neutron incubator has yet to land. It's probably going to take some time for it to mature. I don't want to be a guinea pig. | 22:53 |
| dougwig | neutron incubator discussions are like iPhone rumors. just wait for the dang thing to be published. | 22:54 |
| sbalukoff | dougwig: +1 | 22:54 |
| xgerman | +1 -- hence I think figuring that out ina few months is fine :-) | 22:54 |
| sbalukoff | In any case, please don't let uncertainty around this delay work you would otherwise do on Octavia | 22:55 |
| sbalukoff | That's what Octavia needs most right now. | 22:55 |
| xgerman | no, absolutely not. | 22:55 |
| xgerman | As I said I just want us eventually re-evaluate where we put our stuff as our environment changes | 22:56 |
| xgerman | after all those Neutron people keep us on our toes ;-) | 22:56 |
| sbalukoff | They certainly keep us guessing. :/ | 22:57 |
| dougwig | sbalukoff: first round of comments on 0.5 submitted. | 23:04 |
| sbalukoff | dougwig: Please tell me I got a -1? | 23:04 |
| dougwig | you did | 23:04 |
| sbalukoff | You do like me! | 23:04 |
| blogan_ | Just to put my two cents in. I totally agree on not focusing on things that are no clearly defined yet and focus on the things we can control and what really matters | 23:04 |
| dougwig | haha. | 23:05 |
| sbalukoff | Oh crap, late for a meeting. | 23:05 |
| sbalukoff | BBIAB | 23:05 |
| blogan_ | im out as well | 23:05 |
| blogan_ | sure ill be on later | 23:05 |
| dougwig | i'm sitting in an airport. | 23:05 |
| dougwig | also in a meeting. | 23:05 |
| blogan_ | you're always sitting in an airport | 23:05 |
| dougwig | sigh. too true. | 23:06 |
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| rm_work | dougwig: >_< i hope you have some sort of excellent milage program :P | 23:15 |
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