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| dmellado | dulek: ltomasbo I still do mention that error, tbh xD | 09:01 |
| ltomasbo | dmellado, ??? | 09:01 |
| dulek | ltomasbo: "<dulek> ltomasbo: I mean dmellado mentioned IDoNeedMoreCoffeeError." | 09:02 |
| ltomasbo | xD | 09:02 |
| dulek | Morning. ;) | 09:02 |
| irenab | dmellado, you should try to sleep routine once this error happens. This may have stronger effect | 09:03 |
| irenab | morning | 09:04 |
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| ltomasbo | apuimedo, I'm doing some initial testing of the modifications we discussed yesterday | 09:15 |
| apuimedo | ltomasbo: and? | 09:16 |
| ltomasbo | times goes down in my small env from 13.5 sec to 0.5 | 09:16 |
| ltomasbo | recovering 60 subports in 1 node | 09:16 |
| apuimedo | ltomasbo: YEEHAAAAAA! | 09:16 |
| apuimedo | I knew it! | 09:16 |
| ltomasbo | so, pretty good results (without list comprehension) | 09:16 |
| ltomasbo | I'll update the test and polish a bit the code and send it for review | 09:17 |
| apuimedo | ltomasbo: how did you deploy? tripled'oh? | 09:17 |
| ltomasbo | apuimedo, thanks for the tips! | 09:17 |
| apuimedo | ltomasbo: you're welcome | 09:17 |
| ltomasbo | no, this was devstack | 09:17 |
| apuimedo | I'm already an expert in Neutron avoidance | 09:17 |
| apuimedo | xD | 09:17 |
| ltomasbo | xD | 09:17 |
| ltomasbo | I'm following your steps... xD | 09:18 |
| apuimedo | Ihow much I wish we still had the environment so I could try it with the 1600 subports spread on 112 nodes | 09:22 |
| apuimedo | I wonder... | 09:22 |
| apuimedo | We should probably be able to simulate it with containers | 09:22 |
| apuimedo | 112 containers with the sdn agent | 09:23 |
| apuimedo | and that from the container veth they make the vlan ports | 09:23 |
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| irenab | apuimedo, what are these numbers? | 09:24 |
| apuimedo | irenab: which? these ports and nodes I talk about? | 09:24 |
| irenab | yes | 09:24 |
| apuimedo | or ltomasbo's times? | 09:24 |
| apuimedo | this is what we tested in the scale lab | 09:24 |
| apuimedo | I'll publish it next week | 09:25 |
| apuimedo | (I have to remove some internal dns stuff) | 09:25 |
| apuimedo | we had 30 serers | 09:25 |
| apuimedo | *servers | 09:25 |
| apuimedo | on which we ran 112 VMs | 09:25 |
| apuimedo | and on those 112VMs we ran 900 pods out of a pool of 1600 ports | 09:25 |
| apuimedo | and it was taking minutes to recover the precreated ports for the pool | 09:26 |
| apuimedo | hence ltomasbo's work to speed that recovery | 09:26 |
| irenab | ah, so just agreed setup, not some specific use case | 09:26 |
| irenab | I think we may need to see your outcomes to make network policy as performant as possible | 09:27 |
| apuimedo | irenab: agreed | 09:27 |
| apuimedo | irenab: the outcome is basically. Avoid Neutron calls at all costs | 09:27 |
| apuimedo | xD | 09:27 |
| irenab | haha | 09:27 |
| apuimedo | but I'm planning to speed Neutron up | 09:28 |
| apuimedo | for network policy we must | 09:28 |
| irenab | bulks? | 09:28 |
| apuimedo | yes, I'm redoing the bulk creation | 09:28 |
| apuimedo | and bulk update and bulk delete should be added | 09:28 |
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| irenab | but also read operations are not fast enough | 09:28 |
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| ltomasbo | yes | 09:29 |
| ltomasbo | the improvement was by changing 2 calls to get the ports by 1 | 09:29 |
| irenab | better filters? | 09:29 |
| ltomasbo | and then to avoid the network and subnet show that the default_network driver does | 09:29 |
| ltomasbo | even with filters, it was better to get them all in one call, and do the filter ourselves | 09:30 |
| irenab | makes sense, since if it cached and not present, there will be exception anyway | 09:30 |
| apuimedo | ltomasbo: and also that we only get subnets once | 09:30 |
| apuimedo | the code before got subnet once per port | 09:30 |
| apuimedo | and also networks | 09:30 |
| apuimedo | same thing | 09:31 |
| apuimedo | it's a lot of saved gets | 09:31 |
| apuimedo | irenab: at the end of the day... The ML2 abstraction needs to be sped up | 09:31 |
| irenab | yea, seems you have a lot of tips how to make performance efficient code when work with neutron API | 09:32 |
| apuimedo | ltomasbo: irenab: If more speed up is necessary, for loading the pool | 09:32 |
| apuimedo | the next item on my list is to make neutron have a plugin to return vif objects directly | 09:32 |
| irenab | plugin? | 09:32 |
| apuimedo | irenab: service plugin | 09:32 |
| apuimedo | like trunks and such | 09:33 |
| irenab | I see | 09:33 |
| irenab | extension to API | 09:33 |
| apuimedo | irenab: right | 09:33 |
| ltomasbo | apuimedo, ohh, that would be good, but not short-term | 09:33 |
| apuimedo | the idea was was approved in Atlanta | 09:33 |
| apuimedo | it is long overdue | 09:33 |
| ltomasbo | any takers of that one? | 09:33 |
| apuimedo | but the people that were set to drive it have not done so | 09:33 |
| irenab | apuimedo, is there any bp/rfe in neutron for thus? | 09:34 |
| irenab | this | 09:34 |
| apuimedo | ltomasbo: for that we need scale numbers after your patch | 09:34 |
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| apuimedo | to see how much necessary it still is | 09:34 |
| apuimedo | so we can try to force things | 09:34 |
| ltomasbo | ok | 09:34 |
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| apuimedo | irenab: I'd assume there is, since it was agreed in Atlanta | 09:34 |
| apuimedo | but I never checked | 09:34 |
| irenab | apuimedo, ltomasbo do you have specific numbers on your mind? | 09:34 |
| apuimedo | irenab: loading 2000 ports must take less than 30 seconds | 09:35 |
| apuimedo | anything more | 09:35 |
| apuimedo | and I don't accept it | 09:35 |
| apuimedo | dmellado: why do you need ping in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/515357/ ? | 09:36 |
| apuimedo | Isn't it enough to test it with curl? | 09:37 |
| irenab | apuimedo, interesting. I wonder if we need to put kuryr scale requirements somewhere | 09:42 |
| apuimedo | irenab: like? | 09:42 |
| irenab | since there can be different backends and it may impact on overall performance | 09:43 |
| apuimedo | irenab: well, this is ml2 | 09:43 |
| irenab | apuimedo, some spec in doc | 09:43 |
| apuimedo | all the ml2 backends suffer from the same | 09:43 |
| irenab | but this can be worth if backend adds additional cost | 09:44 |
| irenab | I mean you sort of defined white box requirement, but we probably need some palce that defines kury-k8s scale requirement | 09:44 |
| apuimedo | irenab: that's a good ides | 09:45 |
| apuimedo | *idea | 09:45 |
| apuimedo | dulek: any progress on the flask uwsgi front? | 09:45 |
| dulek | apuimedo, ltomasbo: Can you briefly explain what you've did to get 13 seconds improvement? | 09:46 |
| apuimedo | dulek: sure can | 09:46 |
| dulek | apuimedo: I've discovered what was causing the processes leak, uwsgi would not help. | 09:46 |
| apuimedo | the code for preloading the ports to the pool | 09:46 |
| dulek | apuimedo: Wanna guess? | 09:46 |
| ltomasbo | dulek, I'll update the patch set soon | 09:46 |
| apuimedo | dulek: I know it is pyroute2 | 09:46 |
| dulek | apuimedo: No, but you're close. os_vif. | 09:47 |
| apuimedo | dulek: pyroute2 also leaks but very slowly | 09:47 |
| apuimedo | dulek: I more and more want to get rid of os_vif | 09:47 |
| apuimedo | xD | 09:47 |
| ltomasbo | dulek, os_vif? | 09:47 |
| apuimedo | dulek: so. it was first getting all active ports, then getting parent ports, then for each subport it was getting its subnet and net | 09:47 |
| dulek | apuimedo: Yeah, commenting out os_vif lines in base.py helps. | 09:47 |
| apuimedo | that is a fuck ton of Neutron requests | 09:47 |
| apuimedo | so we cut it to a just three | 09:48 |
| ltomasbo | apuimedo, also bet that was the problem I was seing on pods being delayed at starting (in nested case) | 09:48 |
| apuimedo | getting active ports, getting subnets and getting nets | 09:48 |
| apuimedo | ltomasbo: how so? | 09:48 |
| apuimedo | the preloading should only be exercised at the beginning | 09:48 |
| dulek | apuimedo: Oh, okay. I haven't noticed ltomasbo didn't have that originally in his patch. | 09:48 |
| apuimedo | dulek: we should probably make the change where os_vif is only used for baremetal driver | 09:49 |
| apuimedo | dulek: no. It's something I suggested in bluejeans yesterday and ltomasbo just finished testing | 09:49 |
| dulek | apuimedo: I agree, we've discussed that already. | 09:49 |
| apuimedo | dulek: regarding the flask thing | 09:49 |
| apuimedo | I am really curious how it would behave with grpc instead | 09:49 |
| ltomasbo | apuimedo, dulek: I tested in a nested environment, and removing the os_vif.plug was not helping | 09:49 |
| apuimedo | but that would probably be a few days of work | 09:50 |
| dulek | apuimedo: I think so, I'm not experienced with gRCP at all. | 09:50 |
| apuimedo | I only ever used it once and it was just the client side | 09:50 |
| apuimedo | ah no, it was just protobug | 09:50 |
| apuimedo | *protobuff | 09:51 |
| dulek | apuimedo: First I'll try to find out why os-vif is leaking those processes as I need to do that anyway. | 09:51 |
| dulek | apuimedo: Then the patch will be ready, so I can try gRPC thing. | 09:52 |
| apuimedo | okey dokey | 09:52 |
| dulek | apuimedo: But sooner or later I'll need to start on HA thing, and sooner would definitely be better. | 09:52 |
| dulek | apuimedo: What's the controller HA expectation for Queens? | 09:53 |
| apuimedo | dulek: I think if we get the vif assignment daemon side it will already be a bug ha boots | 09:53 |
| apuimedo | *boost | 09:53 |
| apuimedo | (and time-to-start-container boost as well) | 09:54 |
| dulek | Okay. | 09:54 |
| dulek | apuimedo: BTW I've started thinking about controller HA in general and A/P with Tooz and etcd shouldn't be too hard to do. | 09:54 |
| apuimedo | dulek: I'd love to hear what you have in mind for HA | 09:55 |
| dulek | Ha, I've answered before being asked. ;) | 09:55 |
| apuimedo | dulek: If possible we should use K8s objects rather than go straight to etcd | 09:56 |
| apuimedo | so that we don't require an extra etcd be dep[loyed | 09:56 |
| dulek | apuimedo: Actually OpenStack services *are* requiring an extra etcd. We could use that instance. | 09:57 |
| apuimedo | dulek: that depends on whether we expect kuryr users to use those services that require the extra etcd | 09:57 |
| dulek | apuimedo: Oh, we're using it to configure k8s in DevStack, aren't we? | 09:57 |
| dulek | Agreed, to be honest I haven't followed and I don't know if Keystone or Neutron have hard dependency on Neutron already. | 09:58 |
| dulek | s/Neutron/etcd | 09:58 |
| dulek | (second Neutron ;)) | 09:58 |
| apuimedo | dulek: they don't | 10:00 |
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| dulek | apuimedo: Okay, so in a nutshell - what's the idea of using native k8s objects? | 10:01 |
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| openstackgerrit | Luis Tomas Bolivar proposed openstack/kuryr-kubernetes master: Avoid neutron calls at recovering precreated ports https://review.openstack.org/510157 | 10:25 |
| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/kuryr-kubernetes master: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/509781 | 10:30 |
| apuimedo | dulek: that's what the k8s controller manager does for leader election IIRC | 10:35 |
| dmellado | apuimedo: pong for the VM-pod ping test | 10:37 |
| dmellado | maybe I should refer it in my patch | 10:37 |
| dulek | apuimedo: I'll look it up. | 10:37 |
| apuimedo | dmellado: what I meant to say was | 10:37 |
| dmellado | /me has 6 hours of meetings today, remember me not ever to become a manager | 10:37 |
| dmellado | so expect my responses to be slow | 10:37 |
| apuimedo | could that test just have the VM curl the pod? | 10:37 |
| apuimedo | dmellado: s/remember/remind/ | 10:37 |
| apuimedo | ;-) | 10:37 |
| dmellado | apuimedo: recuérdame | 10:38 |
| dmellado | xD | 10:38 |
| dmellado | cagonlaputa.... (that's a really polite spanish word for expressing disappointment) | 10:38 |
| dmellado | apuimedo: overall, I could but I'd prefer to add a second test for that | 10:39 |
| dmellado | in fact I'll have gcheresh implement it | 10:39 |
| dmellado | like curl and parse response and blah blah | 10:39 |
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| apuimedo | alright | 10:43 |
| apuimedo | alright | 10:43 |
| apuimedo | I'll review the patch then | 10:43 |
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| dulek | apuimedo: https://bugs.launchpad.net/kuryr-kubernetes/+bug/1728996 | 13:47 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1728996 in kuryr-kubernetes "Usage of IPDB leaks processes" [Undecided,New] | 13:47 |
| dulek | apuimedo: I should have noticed this freaking little bastard long ago. | 13:48 |
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| apuimedo | dulek: good find! | 13:53 |
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| openstackgerrit | Michał Dulko proposed openstack/kuryr-kubernetes master: CNI split - introducing CNI daemon https://review.openstack.org/515186 | 14:04 |
| dulek | ltomasbo, apuimedo: ^ - processes still be increasing due to bug 1728996, but all of them will be stopped on service SIGTERM. | 14:05 |
| openstack | bug 1728996 in kuryr-kubernetes "Usage of IPDB leaks processes" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1728996 | 14:05 |
| ltomasbo | dulek, nice finding! | 14:07 |
| openstackgerrit | Michał Dulko proposed openstack/kuryr-kubernetes master: DNM: Trying to run gate tests with CNI Daemon https://review.openstack.org/509765 | 14:12 |
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| apuimedo | dmellado: could you check the comment dulek put on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/515357/8 ? | 14:47 |
| dmellado | apuimedo: not now | 14:47 |
| apuimedo | it's about using test-config for the stage | 14:47 |
| dmellado | saw it and will take a look | 14:47 |
| dmellado | but I'm into meetings like I were a manager today | 14:47 |
| apuimedo | dmellado: das ist nicht normal | 14:48 |
| dmellado | TODO. me | 14:48 |
| dmellado | Doch, Ich glaube nein | 14:48 |
| dmellado | Aber wir sollen über Alex ausstellunggespräch | 14:48 |
| dmellado | sprechen | 14:49 |
| apuimedo | irenab: could you merge https://review.openstack.org/#/c/515357/8 ? | 14:50 |
| apuimedo | If you agree with my last comment, that is | 14:51 |
| dmellado | apuimedo: irenab in any case please DNM that patch for now | 14:52 |
| apuimedo | dmellado: no, no. My comment is that since we already have wrong stage for the kubeconfig tempest copy | 14:52 |
| dmellado | ack | 14:52 |
| apuimedo | I'd rather merge this and then have a follow-up patch | 14:52 |
| apuimedo | that moves it to the right stage | 14:52 |
| dmellado | +1. but I need to check a slight issue with the octavia gate prior to merge it | 14:52 |
| apuimedo | you can make Jon or genadi do that | 14:52 |
| apuimedo | ok | 14:53 |
| dmellado | after that, I'll make those jobs voting too | 14:53 |
| apuimedo | dmellado: so mark it w-1 | 14:53 |
| dmellado | apuimedo: it is | 14:53 |
| apuimedo | ah, okk | 14:53 |
| dmellado | jon + genadi = jedi? | 14:53 |
| dmellado | xD | 14:53 |
| apuimedo | xD | 14:53 |
| apuimedo | dmellado: to be fair. I was surprised to see it in devstack. I thought it would be in the scenario test that the setup step would make pods pingable | 14:54 |
| apuimedo | only for the duration of the tests that need it | 14:54 |
| dmellado | apuimedo: that would be overkill for the test, IMHO | 14:56 |
| apuimedo | dmellado: you sure it isn't just being a bit lazy :P ? | 14:56 |
| dmellado | totally xD | 14:57 |
| dmellado | just check that in the end it's another patch | 14:57 |
| dmellado | that's even more work! xD | 14:57 |
| dmellado | but I was so sad that you didn't get to reply in german too | 14:57 |
| apuimedo | dmellado: hey, was screen support dropped? | 14:57 |
| apuimedo | I'm now looking at devstack's functions-common | 14:58 |
| dmellado | apuimedo: it was totally dropped in devstack a while ago | 14:58 |
| apuimedo | and I only see _run_under_systemd | 14:58 |
| dmellado | IIRC sdague sent an email about it | 14:58 |
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| apuimedo | dmellado: so we are only keeping bc for if somebody uses older devstack with our latest plugin? | 14:58 |
| dmellado | apuimedo: I'd say we drop it | 14:59 |
| apuimedo | I tend to agree | 14:59 |
| dmellado | I'll have jon create a 'destroy it' patch so he can get his first +2 | 14:59 |
| dmellado | either him or genadi | 14:59 |
| dmellado | In any case besides my sadness about your german I'm also sad because I still don't see any of them in the channel :\ | 15:01 |
| apuimedo | dmellado: what about my German | 15:02 |
| apuimedo | ? | 15:02 |
| apuimedo | isn't it fluent? | 15:02 |
| apuimedo | xD | 15:02 |
| apuimedo | I probably know 5 or six words more | 15:03 |
| apuimedo | "perl ist große scheiße" | 15:03 |
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| apuimedo | the grammar may be wrong, but the sentiment is right | 15:04 |
| apuimedo | xD | 15:04 |
| dmellado | lol xD | 15:04 |
| dmellado | apuimedo: that you didn't reply to my pun xD | 15:04 |
| dmellado | I was saying that we should prepare for Alex's interview xD | 15:05 |
| apuimedo | dmellado: you invoked the Alexander | 15:05 |
| apuimedo | I got it | 15:05 |
| apuimedo | but I got scared | 15:05 |
| dmellado | I invoked it, yeah | 15:05 |
| dmellado | I wonder if it's better or worse than the Demogorgon | 15:06 |
| apuimedo | don't know demogorgon | 15:06 |
| dmellado | didn't you watch Stranger Things? | 15:06 |
| dmellado | you should catch up on the flight xD | 15:06 |
| apuimedo | never did | 15:06 |
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| dmellado | so you've two seasons to catch-up on the flight but still should've time | 15:07 |
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| apuimedo | dmellado: you're depressing me | 15:07 |
| apuimedo | I don't want to be so long on a metal tube | 15:07 |
| dmellado | apuimedo: you won't be on a metal tube but two! xD | 15:10 |
| apuimedo | bleh | 15:10 |
| apuimedo | at least it is an a380 | 15:10 |
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| dmellado | don't forget that even though it's an a380 you'll flight economy | 15:12 |
| dmellado | maybe you'd be in the middle on the row of 5 | 15:13 |
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| apuimedo | dmellado: I find a380's economy (in emirates) quite enjoyable | 15:18 |
| apuimedo | and yeah. I usually end up in the middle column :/ | 15:19 |
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| yboaron | apuimedo, Shared with U short doc with route/service objects dependencies , I'll highly appreciate your feedback | 16:45 |
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| openstackgerrit | Hongbin Lu proposed openstack/kuryr-libnetwork master: Change binding config from 'driver' to 'default_driver' https://review.openstack.org/516128 | 19:54 |
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