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cvstealthHi all, our deployment right now is making using of a heavily modified version of Kolla. We are looking at making the step towards Kayobe so that we can start to manage direct baremetal, but from the looks of things it doesn't currently support a fully routed l3 topology. Is that an accurate assement based on the documentation I've read?02:14
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yoctozeptohttps://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kolla-ansible/+/774622/13 - cores, approve now07:03
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parallaxI'm just wondering - why container-oriented project isn't using containers in CI for tests - wouldn't it extinguish some of the fires? linters are great candidate for this07:30
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mnasiadkaI don't think linters are failing, because we are running them not in containers :)08:11
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mnasiadkayoctozepto: second thing is - I think requiring a space before comment is yamllint default08:16
yoctozeptomnasiadka: that might be true but you know the case with etc/ is that comments indeed follow this rule but example commented-out values do not08:21
mnasiadkayoctozepto: I think there should be a way to add this to skip_list or exclude that path in ansible lint config08:22
mnasiadkabut indeed the --user approach is fugly...08:22
yoctozeptoparallax: we indeed extinguish some fires by being kolla and not osa :-)08:22
yoctozeptomnasiadka: nah, that entry in tox for linters is fine08:22
yoctozeptobut the ansible installation is indeed funky08:22
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yoctozeptowe should move towards a venv finally08:23
yoctozeptoI would if I had time08:23
yoctozeptoperhaps later this week08:23
yoctozeptocurrently focused on machine learning ;-)08:23
yoctozeptomnasiadka: just approve that fix for now and let the CI work08:25
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parallaxmnasiadka: I'm talking about installing dependencies on the fly with every run instead of having them frozen in a static, battle-tested image08:26
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mnasiadkaparallax: and we get bug raised by people that get something else installed? nah :)08:45
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hrwmorning08:55
hrwparallax: running docker in docker is iirc not quite supported08:57
hrwok, so main fsckup fixer is at gate09:01
hrwhttps://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kolla/+/774351 - vote!09:01
hrwhttps://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kolla/+/77460209:01
mgoddardmorning09:01
hrwhttps://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kolla/+/772507 would be also nice and can be done during morning coffee/drink + doughnut09:02
* mgoddard waiting for doughnut09:03
hrwmgoddard: there are two waiting in my kitchen. feel free to grab one09:04
mgoddardvery kind09:04
mnasiadkayeah, doughnut day in Poland09:08
hrwFat Thursday09:09
hrwmgoddard: is Pancake Tuesday still celebrated in uk?09:10
mgoddardhrw: yes - next week!09:10
hrw;)09:13
openstackgerritMark Goddard proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: CI: fix ceph-ansible installation after cryptography 3.4 release  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kolla-ansible/+/77508209:19
mnasiadkaoh boy09:20
openstackgerritMark Goddard proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: DNM: Test all scenarios  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kolla-ansible/+/77508309:24
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/kayobe master: Adapt to changes from the Bifrost Victoria release  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kayobe/+/77260710:18
openstackgerritMerged openstack/kolla-ansible master: CI: fix kolla-ansible installation after cryptography 3.4 release  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kolla-ansible/+/77462210:19
yoctozeptoya-hoo10:23
hrwuf.10:23
hrwso now is time to review all other fixes...10:24
openstackgerritPierre Riteau proposed openstack/kayobe master: Update IPA docs and test build with extra-hardware  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kayobe/+/77509310:24
yoctozeptolooking for reviewers on https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kolla/+/77325710:24
yoctozepto(a bugfix)10:24
hrw+210:25
openstackgerritGiacomo Lanciano proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Fix monasca-grafana check  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kolla-ansible/+/77453110:28
yoctozeptothx hrw10:30
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hrwyoctozepto: thank by reviewing ;D11:05
openstackgerritMark Goddard proposed openstack/kayobe master: CI: add Ubuntu overcloud deploy job  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kayobe/+/76770511:11
openstackgerritMark Goddard proposed openstack/kayobe master: CI: add Ubuntu seed VM job  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kayobe/+/77511911:11
openstackgerritMark Goddard proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: CI: only run cells job on changes to nova role  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kolla-ansible/+/77489411:15
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Fl1ntHi everyone!11:16
openstackgerritMerged openstack/kayobe master: [docs] Improve contributor's automated setup document  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kayobe/+/77477711:17
Fl1ntmnasiadka, I've stumble upon a ceph monitors weird logging that you seems had a few months ago using ceph-ansible install. I'd like to know if you finally found out what is this all about or just goes with it?11:18
Fl1nthttps://tracker.ceph.com/issues/4205311:18
Fl1ntI've got the exact same log (no issue the cluster is healthy and correctly operating)11:19
Fl1ntI would love to no more about this issue if you have any more information tho ^^11:20
mnasiadkathat might be related to this https://github.com/ceph/ceph-container/issues/1396 IIRC11:20
mnasiadkaif you're running a containerized deployment of course11:20
Fl1ntyep11:20
Fl1ntmnasiadka, aaaaah ok, perfect, I know what's going on so ^^ thanks, I'll update our images and update the cluster, cool many many thanks!11:22
Fl1ntperfect, v4.0.18 stable-4.0 nautilus CentOS-7 is having the patch!11:27
Fl1nthttps://hub.docker.com/layers/ceph/daemon/v4.0.18-stable-4.0-nautilus-centos-7/images/sha256-e6754787bfdb952806e52d2e45e4e8dce3296bf4aab375420a4c06e90af205e7?context=explore11:27
Fl1nt&11:28
Fl1nthttps://github.com/ceph/ceph-container/blob/stable-4.0/src/daemon-base/__CEPH_BASE_PACKAGES__11:28
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yoctozeptohrw: link me to where you want me to review11:31
hrwyoctozepto: https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kolla/+/774351  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kolla/+/774602  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kolla/+/772507 are my main ones11:34
hrwI forgot which one you acked11:34
yoctozeptolooking11:34
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yoctozeptohrw: all +211:36
hrwthx11:37
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openstackgerritMark Goddard proposed openstack/kayobe master: Ubuntu: container image build  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kayobe/+/77512912:01
openstackgerritMark Goddard proposed openstack/kayobe master: Ubuntu: update Apt cache before package installation  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kayobe/+/77513012:01
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openstackgerritMark Goddard proposed openstack/kayobe master: Wait for overcloud manage and provide state transitions  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kayobe/+/77513512:04
openstackgerritMark Goddard proposed openstack/kayobe master: Remove patch from kolla-ansible dependencies  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kayobe/+/77513612:04
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/kayobe master: Remove trailing whitespace  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kayobe/+/77268113:00
openstackgerritMerged openstack/kayobe stable/victoria: Adapt to changes from the Bifrost Victoria release  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kayobe/+/77405613:00
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openstackgerritRadosław Piliszek proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: CI: fix ceph-ansible installation after cryptography 3.4 release  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kolla-ansible/+/77508213:11
yoctozeptocores ~> https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kolla-ansible/+/77508213:13
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openstackgerritMaksim Malchuk proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Correctly configure S3 Token Middleware for Swift  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kolla-ansible/+/77479113:30
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openstackgerritMichal Arbet proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Refactor mariadb to support shards  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kolla-ansible/+/76695213:42
openstackgerritMichal Arbet proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Rename role haproxy to loadbalancer  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kolla-ansible/+/77061813:42
openstackgerritMichal Arbet proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Add proxysql support for database  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kolla-ansible/+/77021513:42
openstackgerritMichal Arbet proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Edit services roles to support database sharding  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kolla-ansible/+/77021613:42
openstackgerritMichal Arbet proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: [CI] Test ProxySQL with shards in the nova cells scenario  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kolla-ansible/+/77062113:42
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Fl1ntteam, need to get some insight from you all with this nasty CentOS-8 -> CentOS Stream move, so basically, what is your feeling about it? Which distrib do you use currently as your infrastructure base? I really want to stick with RH, but I'm really not confident on CentOS stability once it will became being upstream of RHL13:59
openstackgerritMark Goddard proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: DNM: Test all scenarios  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kolla-ansible/+/77508314:03
mgoddardFl1nt: still watching and waitng14:08
Fl1ntyeah, I'm having a bad feeling on this one, and I've security guys that are try to knock heavily at my door ^^14:09
Fl1ntbut in the mean time ubuntu is really not stable enough.14:09
Fl1ntcorrection14:09
Fl1ntubuntu doesn't feel stable/strong enough and try to introduce weird shit that no one is using such as plan...14:10
kevko_Fl1nt: for docker host or for Openstack images ? (just asking)14:11
Fl1ntboth ^^14:11
kevko_Fl1nt: i love debian :D ..so I'm prefering debian ..or let's say debian-like distros :D14:12
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openstackgerritMark Goddard proposed openstack/kayobe master: CI: add Ubuntu seed VM job  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kayobe/+/77511914:16
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Fl1ntkevko_, I really like Debian BUT it lack for descent systemd and nmcli support14:27
Fl1ntadditionally I would really take benefit of podman and systemd unit like container management ^^14:27
kevko_understand14:40
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hrwFl1nt: we will move to Stream in Wallaby. And will it differ much?15:02
hrwFl1nt: you used some points in rhel development in past and will have points with stream. just before they were called 'centos release' and it would be 'centos of a day I built an image'15:03
hrwFl1nt: Debian buster has systemd 247 in backports. My Fedora 33 has 246...15:08
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openstackgerritBartosz Bezak proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: rsync package added - dependency to synchronize ansible module  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kolla-ansible/+/77518815:09
hrwFl1nt: and what you mean as 'descent nmcli support'?15:09
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hrwFl1nt: and podman support is something Kolla has on a list for few releases so far. Just no one works on it15:16
Fl1nthrw, I know about podman as I proposed to work on it and started few plan already based on what marc already tried.15:17
hrwand when it comes to Debian - I would go with bullseye for host. Hard Freeze is one month from now so there should be no big changes after that date15:18
Fl1ntMy concern is, as soon as CentOS became Stream and so upstream of RHEL it will FOR SURE 100% SURE be less stable than RHEL itself and so less stable than currently as you don't came from stable basement anymore but from an intermediary state in between development (Fedora) and prod ready (RHEL)15:18
Fl1ntI can't just said, ok stream seems to be stable on some other clouds and push it on our infrastructure, we're hosting national wide critical systems.15:20
hrwbuy rhel licenses?15:20
Fl1ntWe already do it15:20
hrwin 'national wide critical systems' budget it will probably be nearly not visible cost15:20
Fl1ntit is15:20
Fl1ntRHEL licensing price is dumb shit, not as far as Oracle but still.15:21
hrwnot my department ;d15:21
Fl1ntDon't make me wrong, software quality have to be paid, I do personally agree on that, and I'm really supportive of RH products, but unfortunately, financials guys don't see it as this.15:22
Fl1ntwhat is the current RHEL support on Kolla/Kolla-ansible? Didn't tested it since a while.15:23
hrwno idea to be honest15:24
hrwI do not remember when last time I looked at it15:24
hrwINFO:kolla.common.utils.base:Step 1/35 : FROM rhel:815:26
hrw;(15:26
hrwERROR:kolla.common.utils.base:Error'd with the following message15:27
Fl1ntOne thing that I really hate with RHEL is the filesystem hierarchy that it put on system with optional and supplementary repositories like inception of /etc or /usr etc within /opt ><15:27
hrwERROR:kolla.common.utils.base:pull access denied for rhel, repository does not exist or may require 'docker login': denied: requested access to the resource is denied15:27
Fl1ntarff ^^ start to smell bad :p15:27
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hrwI have a fix for it in other patch15:29
Fl1ntlet me know if you get something working, really interested.15:32
mgoddarddebian/ubuntu users: how do you configure the network on your servers?15:34
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hrwmgoddard: systemd-networkd15:39
kevko_mgoddard: netplan15:39
mgoddardhrw: have you/would you ever use NetworkManager?15:39
hrwmgoddard: on server? what for?15:40
mgoddardhrw: consistency with CentOS15:40
hrwI use NM on desktop/laptop. but my server is on same IP always so why bother. ipv4 set to DHCP, ipv6 to static address15:41
hrwI had a day when I moved several things to systemd daemons. network config, dns, timedate etc15:43
hrwFl1nt: distro=rhel type=rhos is basically broken15:43
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hrwdistro=rhel type=binary probably would be rdo so why bother15:44
hrwmgoddard: I think that it would be good to find out does anyone uses distro=rhel and if not then remove it15:45
yoctozeptomgoddard: I use on some15:45
mgoddardyoctozepto: NM on ubuntu?15:45
yoctozeptomgoddard: on centos, sorry if it was meant to be about ubuntu15:46
mgoddardyoctozepto: either way, what is your opinion of it?15:46
yoctozeptomgoddard: it improved greatly in recent times15:46
yoctozeptomuch less painful15:46
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-openstackstatus- NOTICE: Recent POST_FAILURE results from Zuul for builds started prior to 15:47 UTC were due to network connectivity issues reaching one of our log storage providers, and can be safely rechecked15:51
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mnasiadkamgoddard: I would still opt for using systemd-networkd on both centos and Debian/Ubuntu ;)16:19
mgoddardmnasiadka: not available on CentOS16:19
mgoddardwell, only in EPEL16:19
mgoddardhttps://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=165034216:20
openstackbugzilla.redhat.com bug 1650342 in systemd "systemd-networkd support in RHEL 8" [Unspecified,Closed: wontfix] - Assigned to systemd-maint16:20
mnasiadkamgoddard: I used it in 7 ;)16:20
Fl1nthrw, ok, I guess, I'll pass my turn with k/k-a on RHEL16:20
mgoddardmnasiadka: yes, it got removed16:20
mnasiadkamgoddard: bloody Red Hat16:20
mnasiadkamgoddard: well, I agree with the comment in BZ that NM is a complex monstrosity.16:21
mnasiadkaso maybe using EPEL package is not THAT bad16:21
Fl1nthrw, we do use NM as it's really neat and usefull when dealing with host hw management through ansible ;-) additionally, we need specific configuration on teaming etc.16:21
Fl1ntmnasiadka, meh? nm is a monstruosity? As for systemd back in good ol'day he he, I really like nm, consistent command/args structure, support everything from wlan to teaming/infiniband etc.16:23
mnasiadkaFl1nt: usually I end up with 7 connections called "Wired connection" and stopping it blows the whole box :)16:24
mnasiadkaI feel like running Windows16:24
mnasiadkaWhile with systemd-networkd there are just plain simple config files, used it in CentOS 7 and CoreOS16:25
Fl1ntwell, that just the naming label of the connection, just change the connection.id and voila ^^16:25
mnasiadkawell, probably given enough care - it works16:25
mnasiadkaBut installing NM on Debian/Ubuntu is probably another weird thing to do...16:25
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Fl1ntsometimes, Windows is ahead of linux in terms of OPs, having to manage plain text is sometimes useful, sometimes truly a pain in the ass. for networking, it's a pain in the ass.16:26
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Fl1ntmnasiadka, yes, agree, using nm on debian is weird and I doubt it would be as solid as on CentOS. Ubuntu loads with nm managed by plan by default ^^16:26
yoctozeptomgoddard, mnasiadka: yes, networkd is much nicer on servers16:27
yoctozeptonetworkmanager has a ton of bloat16:27
yoctozeptobut, let's be honest16:27
Fl1ntexemple yoctozepto ?16:27
yoctozeptoanything is better than "the old way"16:27
Fl1ntthanks ^^16:27
yoctozeptoFl1nt: networkmanager wants you to be able to set up ppp, tunnels and wifi16:28
Fl1ntdefinitely my point, INI style network management is a pain for manual operation, automated operation and development interaction, you always need to either integrate inotify or reload your process... let's use proper modern DB16:28
yoctozeptoI don't need it on servers, like, 99.9% of time16:28
yoctozeptobut otherwise networkmanager is much stabler than it used to be16:29
yoctozeptoI remember disabling it just because it was acting weirdly16:29
yoctozeptothen "the old way" was better than having random drops of connectivity16:29
mnasiadkawell, netplan seems like a nice abstraction that supports both systemd-networkd and NM - but no package on CentOS :D16:30
Fl1ntmeh? You just have an additional 30Ko code per feature added and not REQUIRED to use them. However configuring a team a vlan a vxlan or a macvlan or even controlling openvswitch is simple and can be instrumented correctly on ansible etc16:30
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mnasiadkayoctozepto: well, NM had this really irritating part of trying to grasp all wired devices and enable them in the most weird order :)16:30
Fl1ntsolved now a day as it's using udev indirectly.16:31
mnasiadkausing OVS ports when OVS is running in a container is a crazy thing to do btw :)16:31
Fl1ntbut all in all netplan can be ok, that's a yaml wrapper to nm/networkd/other after all, but try to disable DHCPd on cloudinit using plan ;-)16:31
Fl1ntyou'll feel the burn16:32
Fl1ntwhat do you mean by using an OVS port? Manage it?16:32
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yoctozeptomnasiadka: ah, yes, and that funny behaviour16:32
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yoctozeptowell, thankfully it's much less painful nowadays16:32
amoralejhrw, https://lists.centos.org/pipermail/centos-devel/2021-February/076503.html16:32
yoctozeptoso I don't disable it by default16:32
mnasiadkaFl1nt: using an OVS port on the host operating system, that is running OVS in a container :)16:33
Fl1ntif you just send traffic through it it's fine, what's not is to fuck up with config from outside the container for sure.16:33
mgoddardnice, thanks for sharing amoralej!16:34
mgoddardhrw: ^16:34
amoraleji hope that helps16:34
mgoddardthis sounds like a fun way to live:16:34
mgoddardWe expect the 'stream' tag to automatically move forward to new Streams as16:34
mgoddardthey come on board. This means when CentOS Stream 9 becomes the Live Stream,16:34
mgoddardquay.io/centos/centos:stream will have 9 based content.16:34
kevko_guys, did anyone fixed issue with heat signal which was sent BUT in log of os-collect-config i see , 'Response None \n'16:35
amoralejmgoddard, "The 'stream8' tag can be used while Stream 8 is Live" :)16:36
mgoddardamoralej: right, I'm just joking16:36
amoralej:)16:37
Fl1ntOn my personnal interest, it's not about "point in time" vs "rolling release" that I'm afraid but more the stability of Stream as it's now no longer derivated from a "stable and tested" distribution.16:37
Fl1ntBut that seems really weird to get rolling releases using tags on docker but not anywhere else tbh16:38
hrwamoralej: yay! thanks!16:39
hrwlet me use it16:39
mnasiadkaFl1nt: I'm rather thinking about a ,,race'' condition during bootup :)16:39
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openstackgerritMarcin Juszkiewicz proposed openstack/kolla master: WIP: switch to CentOS 8 Stream  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kolla/+/77284116:43
openstackgerritMarcin Juszkiewicz proposed openstack/kolla master: WIP: switch to CentOS 8 Stream  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kolla/+/77284116:44
hrwthis time without debian/ubuntu ci16:44
Fl1ntmnasiadka, that's what I call managing :D But yeah of course you don't do dumb shit like that ^^ nm by default don't manage nic that are containerized etc so there is no issue here but yeah COULD be an issue if you throw yourself away in a fire pit ^^16:45
openstackgerritMark Goddard proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: DNM: Test all scenarios  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kolla-ansible/+/77508316:49
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yoctozeptomgoddard: let yourself be engulfed in the stream16:54
yoctozeptothat should be the motto16:55
yoctozeptoamoralej: feel free to get inspired ^16:55
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amoralejyoctozepto, the stream drags us :)16:58
kevko_mgoddard: are u sure that ci is really fixed ? for me review which was passing now failing somehow ..17:00
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yoctozeptokevko_: what is the error17:06
yoctozeptoamoralej: haha17:07
kevko_yoctozepto: hmm, in the end it is another error17:11
amoralejyoctozepto, it could also be, enjoy in a calm stream :)17:11
kevko_yoctozepto: but, it is maxretryerror in os-collect-config17:12
kevko_yoctozepto: oh, are u asking for ci ? :D17:12
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yoctozeptoamoralej|off: engulfing and dragging sounds more sincere though :-)17:55
yoctozeptothough I hope it will be calm enough17:55
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openstackgerritMarcin Juszkiewicz proposed openstack/kolla master: WIP: switch to CentOS 8 Stream  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kolla/+/77284118:32
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hrwCI jobs renamed, someone needs to look at ansible failures18:35
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openstackgerritJames Kirsch proposed openstack/kolla master: Add LetsEncrypt images for cert request/renewal  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kolla/+/74133919:34
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openstackgerritPiotr Parczewski proposed openstack/kayobe master: [WIP] CI: Add Ubuntu seed job  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kayobe/+/77526719:45
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openstackgerritPierre Riteau proposed openstack/kayobe master: [DNM] Work in progress of multiple host image support  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kayobe/+/77260921:20
openstackgerritPiotr Parczewski proposed openstack/kayobe master: [WIP] CI: Add Ubuntu seed job  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kayobe/+/77526721:32
openstackgerritMerged openstack/kolla-ansible master: Fix monasca-grafana check  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kolla-ansible/+/77453121:34
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openstackgerritPiotr Parczewski proposed openstack/kayobe master: [WIP] CI: Add Ubuntu seed job  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kayobe/+/77526722:01
openstackgerritJames Kirsch proposed openstack/kolla master: Add LetsEncrypt images for cert request/renewal  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kolla/+/74133922:01
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