JamesBen_ | @sean-k-mooney, I've never been able to get ironic working. Any help explaining that mess would be awesome. I'm hoping in the next few months to redo our prod from ocata to latest :-). Would love to enable ironic with it | 00:31 |
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sean-k-mooney | the main things i change were 1 dont use ipxe due to the networking issue i hit (in the past i always did) 2 put your api network and ipmi network, ironic inspector network all on the same vlan. 3 create a neuton provider netork on the same vlan as the api/ipmi/inspection network and use that as the cleaning/provisioning network. | 00:48 |
sean-k-mooney | i am using the ironic flat networking mode which is what kolla enables by default | 00:49 |
sean-k-mooney | JamesBen_: im not strictly sure that putting the api network on the same vlan as ipmi is required however ipxe does not support static routing apprently | 00:51 |
sean-k-mooney | the requireemnt is really that the ironic python agent neets to be able to connect to the api so it needs to be routeable and the server needs to be able to pxe boot the ipa image | 00:53 |
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openstackgerrit | James Kirsch proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Add support for encrypting Barbican API https://review.opendev.org/726258 | 02:52 |
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openstackgerrit | Fabian Zimmermann proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: multipath requires udev-rules in host https://review.opendev.org/726283 | 06:20 |
openstackgerrit | Fabian Zimmermann proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: multipath requires udev-rules in host https://review.opendev.org/726283 | 06:33 |
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openstackgerrit | XiaojueGuan proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Fix failure of change default index pattern https://review.opendev.org/726289 | 06:44 |
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yoctozepto | sean-k-mooney, JamesBen_: I think there is only the requirement of routability towards the image source | 07:01 |
openstackgerrit | XiaojueGuan proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Fix failure of change default index pattern https://review.opendev.org/726289 | 07:06 |
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yoctozepto | headphoneJames: sleepless nights? :-) are you running in wishbox mode? you are quick :D | 07:13 |
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mnasiadka | morning | 07:34 |
openstackgerrit | Radosław Piliszek proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: [DNM] Barbican scenario https://review.opendev.org/719037 | 07:38 |
openstackgerrit | Radosław Piliszek proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: [DNM] Barbican scenario https://review.opendev.org/719037 | 07:39 |
hrw | morning | 07:42 |
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eliaswimmer | morning | 08:11 |
eliaswimmer | Can I choose the vm image for the seed vm in kayobe? | 08:11 |
hrw | eliaswimmer: which one is used now? | 08:14 |
eliaswimmer | hrw: centos7 | 08:14 |
eliaswimmer | hrw: I think it's not really important as it must not really be persistent as far as I understand | 08:16 |
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openstackgerrit | Radosław Piliszek proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: [DNM] Barbican scenario https://review.opendev.org/719037 | 09:30 |
openstackgerrit | Radosław Piliszek proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: [DNM] Barbican scenario https://review.opendev.org/719037 | 09:33 |
openstackgerrit | Radosław Piliszek proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: [DNM] Barbican scenario https://review.opendev.org/719037 | 09:34 |
hrw | eliaswimmer: and you need something to test does it work | 09:36 |
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openstackgerrit | XiaojueGuan proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Fix: make mariadb could be deployed https://review.opendev.org/726324 | 09:47 |
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Fl1nt | Hi everybody! | 10:05 |
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mgoddard | morning | 10:19 |
mgoddard | It's a public holiday today in the UK, so I'm out | 10:19 |
mgoddard | just catching up on IRC logs | 10:19 |
mgoddard | if there's anything urgent, ping me | 10:19 |
mgoddard | it's been a bit of a busy week... | 10:20 |
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mgoddard | sean-k-mooney: just catching up on IRC | 10:42 |
mgoddard | sean-k-mooney: octavia issue is known | 10:43 |
mgoddard | I recently went through it, was quite painful to work out | 10:43 |
mgoddard | I think a simple checklist in docs of requirements would be a good start | 10:43 |
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mgoddard | end goal is full automation | 10:43 |
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mgoddard | we only just merged the support for dual CA, so it was broken in train & master | 10:44 |
mgoddard | haven't hit the ipxe issue yet, although I have used ipxe on bifrost + centos 8 so it's not fundamentally broken | 10:46 |
mgoddard | eliaswimmer: check out seed-vm.yml for the VM image URL | 10:51 |
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sean-k-mooney | mgoddard: well in my case at least the ipxe image was not able to transmit packets regradelsss of if the destination was in the same subnet or not so it seams like its pretty broken but i dont know. it could be hardware related too. e.g. the specific driver form my nic | 12:19 |
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openstackgerrit | Radosław Piliszek proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: [DNM] Barbican scenario https://review.opendev.org/719037 | 14:04 |
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noxoid | im going through the ironic (not bifrost/kayobe) setup for the first time and i hit the same quirk that sean-k-mooney mentioned, where the nodes require access to the api network. this seems reasonable but as of stein it looks like that network by default is also the one that libvirt listens to. and since the libvirt api isnt authenticated that | 14:31 |
noxoid | seems like a security problem. was there a conscious decision to use api_interface specifically in ironic templates? for example dnsmasq: https://opendev.org/openstack/kolla-ansible/src/branch/stable/stein/ansible/roles/ironic/templates/ironic-dnsmasq.conf.j2#L7 | 14:31 |
noxoid | it seems to go against a lot of other roles in k-a that allow you to customize the interface of every service, something like ironic_provisioning_interface | 14:33 |
noxoid | just want to make sure im not missing something obvious from a design point of view | 14:33 |
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sean-k-mooney | noxoid: the api network and your loadblancer dont need to be the same | 14:40 |
sean-k-mooney | i have my public vip address on a differnt netwrok to my api netwrok | 14:40 |
sean-k-mooney | but ya in ooo they have locked it down more | 14:40 |
sean-k-mooney | we dont really need tcp access to libvirt | 14:40 |
sean-k-mooney | at least beyond localhost. nova default to a unix socket for connecting | 14:41 |
noxoid | yea but i thought libvirt has to listen on the network for migration requests | 14:41 |
noxoid | and yea i have my api network separate, i have an internet-facing api network and an internal lan-only one | 14:42 |
sean-k-mooney | i dont belive so | 14:42 |
noxoid | heavily implies it does https://opendev.org/openstack/kolla-ansible/src/branch/stable/stein/ansible/roles/nova/templates/libvirtd.conf.j2#L7 | 14:42 |
sean-k-mooney | ooo run a seperate migration container with ssh for that usecase | 14:43 |
sean-k-mooney | noxoid: so it looke liek we can use different networks now https://opendev.org/openstack/kolla-ansible/commit/864e589803827830bcf4afe30b3fc789c2c5846f | 14:44 |
sean-k-mooney | noxoid: but ya if your using ipxe https://github.com/ipxe/ipxe/pull/104 prevents static host routes form working | 14:46 |
noxoid | fun, but yea im sticking with regular PXE for now to simplify things | 14:46 |
sean-k-mooney | yep it seams to just work | 14:46 |
sean-k-mooney | that said i know some older hardware had buggy pxe implemantion which was my main reason for using ipxe | 14:47 |
noxoid | guess i need to figure out how to safely give bare metal nodes access to the api network | 14:49 |
noxoid | maybe ill just trunk a new vlan and call that my migration interface | 14:51 |
noxoid | instead of re-using api_interface | 14:51 |
noxoid | thanks for being a sounding board sean-k-mooney. if anyone else has thoughts please let me know | 14:53 |
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sean-k-mooney | noxoid: for what it worth since my case is just my home lab i use for upstream dev i dont really have to worry about it but yes i would likely trnk another vlan and use that as my migration interface if i did not trust the workloads | 15:09 |
sean-k-mooney | that is what im already doing for the api_interface | 15:10 |
sean-k-mooney | its on vlan 3. where as my public netwrok is the flat network and i have configured my tor to add each of the bmc/pxe interface on to vlan 3 as there native vlan | 15:11 |
sean-k-mooney | so if i wanted to make it more secure i woudl jsut add vlan 4 and use that for the migration netwrok to prevent my ironic nodes form acessing it | 15:11 |
noxoid | fair. yea i prefer to have a different vlan for everything to avoid having to craft picky firewall rules that allow certain controller/compute nodes but not others depending on which service is running | 15:13 |
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noxoid | but maybe a lot of my security concerns will go away if i can get ironic/neutron integrated with our arista ToR switches | 15:14 |
noxoid | so it would only be attached to the api_network vlan during cleaning/deploy and then neutron will change the port to the internet-facing vlan for workloads | 15:15 |
noxoid | or whatever vlan the workload requires | 15:15 |
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yoctozepto | sean-k-mooney: hi, I know it's a bit off-topic but I'm interested into yours insight about nova-lxd and why it did not succeed, I am not entirely persuaded zun is a 1:1 replacement for it (or close to that) | 17:27 |
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sean-k-mooney | yoctozepto: nova-lxd did not succeed partly because it was out of tree | 17:39 |
sean-k-mooney | if it was merged into the main nova tree and propely maintianed it would have been a very nice addtion | 17:40 |
sean-k-mooney | i like libivrt/lxc too but its also not really wroking at the moment | 17:40 |
sean-k-mooney | in terms of zun they are more focused on docker/cri compatiable contaienr then system containers | 17:41 |
sean-k-mooney | im not sure if zun could be used as a replacemnet as a result. i think zun were planning to mainatin a nova compatiabel driver. basicaly a port of the nova-docker diriver | 17:41 |
sean-k-mooney | but i dont know what teh current status is. | 17:42 |
sean-k-mooney | i would very much like there to be a nova system contaienr driver that worked and was used | 17:42 |
sean-k-mooney | the libvirt/lxc one is proably the closes that is still there today but it has bugs | 17:43 |
sean-k-mooney | yoctozepto: im honestly not familar enough with zun to say if ti can be used as a replamcent but given its focous on app conatiner instead o fsystem contaienr proably not but if you find out more let me know | 17:50 |
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yoctozepto | sean-k-mooney: yeah, my issue is mostly about focus on app containers while I am looking for system containers; also it lacks in terms of configurability levels of nova, the scheduler cannot act on PCI devices etc. | 17:59 |
sean-k-mooney | yoctozepto: they have a pci manager as far as i can see | 18:00 |
sean-k-mooney | so i think they have some pci support | 18:00 |
sean-k-mooney | you should talk to them and see | 18:00 |
sean-k-mooney | that or we should fix the nova libvirt/lxc backend | 18:01 |
yoctozepto | sean-k-mooney: I would preferably want lxc in nova but yeah, I'm investigating what zun can do for me :-) | 18:01 |
sean-k-mooney | yoctozepto: it kind of works today in limited usecases | 18:07 |
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sean-k-mooney | nova does not resize the continer filesystem to match the flavor and i dont think some thing like cinder volumes work properly | 18:08 |
sean-k-mooney | we got cloud init fixed a few months ago https://review.opendev.org/#/c/667976/ | 18:09 |
patchbot | patch 667976 - nova - Add support for cloud-init on LXC instances (MERGED) - 4 patch sets | 18:09 |
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sean-k-mooney | and fixed the python 3 issues https://review.opendev.org/#/c/676263/ and mount issue https://review.opendev.org/#/c/659780/ | 18:11 |
patchbot | patch 676263 - nova - lxc: make use of filter python3 compatible (MERGED) - 4 patch sets | 18:11 |
patchbot | patch 659780 - nova - Fix type error on call to mount device (MERGED) - 4 patch sets | 18:11 |
sean-k-mooney | but its still not tested in the ci https://review.opendev.org/#/c/676024/ and its not really being maintained altohg that is partly due to lack of people working on it | 18:12 |
patchbot | patch 676024 - nova - Add nova-lxc job to the experimental queue (ABANDONED) - 5 patch sets | 18:12 |
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sean-k-mooney | yoctozepto: as far as i am aware nova libvirt lxc should work but unless your willing to be the one maintaineing it im not suer peopel should use it. | 18:13 |
yoctozepto | sean-k-mooney: thanks, I was fixed at nova-lxd and saw it discontinued, and did not recognize lxc was a separate one :D | 18:23 |
yoctozepto | sean-k-mooney: I'll have a look at nova lxc then | 18:24 |
sean-k-mooney | yes its seperate and predates it | 18:24 |
sean-k-mooney | canonical belived that adding a lxd deamon instead of using libvirt had some advantages and created nova-lxd to expoloer those | 18:25 |
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sean-k-mooney | the main one was the could integrete lxd with juju as a provide and orcestrate lxd contiaenr as via the same charmes that used baremetal | 18:25 |
sean-k-mooney | *manged | 18:25 |
sean-k-mooney | but libvirt has had the ablity to mange lxc contaiern for many many years and it was used in proxmox for a long time as there contaienr solution | 18:26 |
sean-k-mooney | proxmox used to use openvz before the change to lxc in proxmox5 i belive | 18:27 |
sean-k-mooney | in anycase the libvirt/lxc support is still in nova so you should be able to use it with kolla today | 18:28 |
yoctozepto | I had the (mis)fortune to use openvz at some point in time as a customer, boy was it misconfigured ;o | 18:28 |
sean-k-mooney | all yo need to do is set virt_type=lxc in the libvirt section of the nova.conf | 18:28 |
yoctozepto | sean-k-mooney: yeah, I think I'll tinker with it, presumably it will fail at some part | 18:28 |
sean-k-mooney | you might need to also install the lxc tools into the nova libvirt contianer not sure about that | 18:29 |
yoctozepto | to check | 18:29 |
sean-k-mooney | it should be easy enough to do with a template override | 18:29 |
sean-k-mooney | i have only used nova with libvirt/lxc with devstack so not sure what else is needed in kolla | 18:30 |
sean-k-mooney | i would proably try it with devstack first and if you like it then port support to kolla | 18:30 |
sean-k-mooney | ubuntu 16.04 and 18.04 i belvie both have the lxc tools preinstalled | 18:31 |
sean-k-mooney | so with devstack you just the config option in nova and it basically worked without much else to do | 18:31 |
yoctozepto | sean-k-mooney: thanks, I'll do it this way then, makes sense as I never used it (nor libvirt/lxc, only lxd) | 18:49 |
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sean-k-mooney | yoctozepto: by the way im sure you know this already but tre are prebuild lxc images for mulple operating systems here https://us.images.linuxcontainers.org/images/ | 18:59 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/kolla master: Use Python 3 for mod_wsgi in cyborg and monasca on Debian/Ubuntu https://review.opendev.org/725221 | 19:07 |
openstackgerrit | Radosław Piliszek proposed openstack/kolla stable/train: Use Python 3 for mod_wsgi in cyborg and monasca on Debian/Ubuntu https://review.opendev.org/726460 | 19:13 |
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adeberg | Do you think there's any way to use kolla-ansible to deploy 2 mariadb on the same machines, 1 dedicated to keystone and 1 for the rest ? I feel it's not thought for that, but i'd like to leverage the kolla-ansible tooling.... :( So far i'm looking at having a separate repo for the keystone DB stuff and patching on the fly to avoid container names | 19:41 |
adeberg | clash but i'd love to avoid doing that.... | 19:41 |
noxoid | adeberg: im not aware of a way to do that with k-a but ive also thought that would be useful. specifically a multi-region galera for keystone (AT&T did it in the past) | 19:45 |
adeberg | this is exactly my use case | 19:45 |
yoctozepto | adeberg, noxoid: the work is pending but halted atm https://review.opendev.org/619756 | 19:52 |
patchbot | patch 619756 - kolla-ansible - Minimal support for deploying multiple instances o... - 19 patch sets | 19:52 |
noxoid | ah yea i think ive seen that before, thanks | 19:52 |
adeberg | I totally missed it ! | 19:53 |
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adeberg | mgoddard that patch yoctozepto mentioned ^-- I'm no mariadb role expert but, was it missing lot of thing back in times ? Now that patch would had to be reviewed with latest changes in master but i'm trying to have an idea of the effort | 21:23 |
adeberg | I'll probably have a look next week as I badly need that | 21:24 |
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