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| oklhost | mgoddard: https://bugs.launchpad.net/kolla/+bug/1873421 thanks! :) | 06:11 |
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| openstack | Launchpad bug 1873421 in kolla ussuri "monasca-api use wrong mod_wsgi Python version on Debian/Ubuntu source" [Medium,Triaged] | 06:11 |
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| Wellie | Good Moring | 06:56 |
| Wellie | AttributeError: 'DvrLocalRouter' object has no attribute 'ha_state' | 06:57 |
| Wellie | neutron.agent.l3.agent | 06:57 |
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| mgoddard | Wellie: looks like an issue for #openstack-neutron | 07:33 |
| Wellie | i have found the issue | 07:33 |
| Wellie | thx | 07:33 |
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| hrw | morning | 08:00 |
| mnasiadka | morning | 08:00 |
| hrw | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/721329/ - did someone looked why it fails? | 08:00 |
| patchbot | patch 721329 - kolla (stable/train) - switch to official CentOS 8 repositories - 12 patch sets | 08:00 |
| mgoddard | morning | 08:03 |
| mgoddard | I'm afraid I won't be able to take the meeting today | 08:04 |
| mgoddard | hrw, yoctozepto, osmanlicilegi, mnasiadka ^ | 08:04 |
| hrw | k | 08:04 |
| mnasiadka | I'm in the same meeting :) | 08:04 |
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| osmanlicilegi | morning | 08:09 |
| hrw | mnasiadka: so you are not going to kolla one too? | 08:12 |
| mnasiadka | hrw: nope | 08:12 |
| hrw | osmanlicilegi, yoctozepto: how about you? | 08:13 |
| osmanlicilegi | it's ok for me. also if there's no interesting topic to discuss, ok to skip too | 08:14 |
| osmanlicilegi | but i think there's a hot topic to deprecate tripleo :] | 08:14 |
| yoctozepto | hrw: deprecate base | 08:24 |
| yoctozepto | oh, sorry, wrong dream | 08:24 |
| yoctozepto | :D | 08:24 |
| hrw | yoctozepto: and today osmanlicilegi suggests deprecations | 08:25 |
| yoctozepto | ok to skip, I'm overloaded as well, but able to attend | 08:25 |
| yoctozepto | we 3 can attend and have majority vote | 08:25 |
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| maharg101 | is the lack of python3-libselinux package on centos 7.7 a blocker to running master branch now that python>=3.6 is required ? | 08:37 |
| maharg101 | bc https://github.com/pycontribs/selinux/issues/22 | 08:40 |
| yoctozepto | maharg101: mostly, but there is also no support for centos7 in images as well, due to lack of rdo packaging | 08:40 |
| maharg101 | hmm so centos7 is currently not possible on anything past stable/train | 08:41 |
| yoctozepto | exactly | 08:42 |
| maharg101 | hmm. I really need https://github.com/openstack/kolla-ansible/commit/fdf3729f83770464a093e8d6f624565abc7b6347 - add ceph_*_user variables, but not in train yet. Tried master and *boom* requires python3. | 08:43 |
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| maharg101 | back to the drawing board ! :) | 08:46 |
| maharg101 | thanks yoctozepto | 08:46 |
| yoctozepto | maharg101: you are welcome; you can also backport this yourself to train, should not be too hard | 08:47 |
| maharg101 | yh I was looking to cherry pick but it seemed complex for some reason | 08:48 |
| yoctozepto | yeah, it might have changed in some less relevant part, true | 08:52 |
| maharg101 | so is centos8 a better bet as of today ? any gotchaes there ? | 08:57 |
| maharg101 | *gotchas | 08:57 |
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| mgoddard | yoctozepto: do you remember where enforce_scope got to? | 09:07 |
| mgoddard | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/692179/23 | 09:07 |
| patchbot | patch 692179 - kolla-ansible - Support for keystone scoped authorization - 23 patch sets | 09:07 |
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| yoctozepto | mgoddard: I think your last comment summarised it well | 09:17 |
| yoctozepto | maharg101: we hope it is better :-) we are actively testing this scenario | 09:18 |
| maharg101 | yoctozepto: ty | 09:18 |
| yoctozepto | tbh, there is a rare occurence of glance failing to load rbd store for some unknown reason, but it is very rare, and does not seem to affect other ceph-using services | 09:19 |
| hrw | maharg101: if you fail to backport then please at least leave comment that such backport is needed | 09:19 |
| yoctozepto | ^ that true, helps us discover what users want/need/like | 09:19 |
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| yoctozepto | rather than living in our dream :-) | 09:19 |
| maharg101 | done :-) | 09:22 |
| mnasiadka | maharg101: please leave it here - not on github - https://review.opendev.org/#/c/698303/ :) | 09:23 |
| patchbot | patch 698303 - kolla-ansible - External Ceph: add ceph_*_user variables (MERGED) - 10 patch sets | 09:23 |
| maharg101 | mnasiadka: thanks will do that now | 09:24 |
| mnasiadka | mgoddard: ok to backport that ,,feature''? | 09:24 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/kolla-ansible master: Use FQDN for elasticsearch https://review.opendev.org/725340 | 09:26 |
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| yoctozepto | mnasiadka: for the reference, I'm ok for backporting this properly | 09:32 |
| mnasiadka | properly might take some time, I just realized that :D | 09:32 |
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| yoctozepto | maharg101: at the moment, you can also use general overrides to achieve your goal | 09:51 |
| openstackgerrit | Will Szumski proposed openstack/kayobe master: Add support for encrypted block devices https://review.opendev.org/720040 | 09:51 |
| yoctozepto | relevant parameters will have values overridden to the chosen ones | 09:51 |
| yoctozepto | so you can switch the users at will | 09:51 |
| maharg101 | thanks, will look into it | 09:58 |
| hrw | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/725032/ anyone? | 10:02 |
| patchbot | patch 725032 - kolla - CentOS: disable more repos - 4 patch sets | 10:02 |
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| xinliang | Hi all, any idea ? about this bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/kolla-ansible/+bug/1877079 | 10:09 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1877079 in kolla-ansible "Ironic grub UEFI PXE booting fails" [Undecided,New] | 10:09 |
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| maharg101 | yoctozepto: I may be getting it wrong but override doesn't seem to work. See http://paste.openstack.org/show/793186/ | 10:44 |
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| yoctozepto | maharg101: 1) did you override the directory to be ./config instead of /etc/kolla? 2) gnocchi.conf should be directly in that dir, instead of in extra gnocchi dir (or you could do gnocchi/gnocchi-api.conf if you wanted to override for just one service) | 11:30 |
| maharg101 | ./config is relative to /etc/kolla in the deploy environment, I believe that's default | 11:35 |
| mnasiadka | so just move gnocchi.conf one level up | 11:35 |
| maharg101 | ah ! thanks :) | 11:35 |
| maharg101 | assumed it was consistent for all roles as per nova but https://docs.openstack.org/kolla-ansible/train/admin/advanced-configuration.html#openstack-service-configuration-in-kolla says otherwise ! | 11:39 |
| yoctozepto | it's not even like that for nova :D the doc is wrong :D | 11:39 |
| yoctozepto | I must make this hiprio to fix this mention, it is very confusing | 11:40 |
| yoctozepto | mnasiadka also welcome to propose a fix | 11:40 |
| mnasiadka | it has always been done in a way that was confusing | 11:41 |
| maharg101 | ah.. so all .conf overrides should go directly in "{{ node_custom_config }}/" | 11:43 |
| maharg101 | global ones at least | 11:43 |
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| oklhost | Hey guys, a little bit of topic, but maybe interesting anyway. Today I announced our #openstack-kolla driven private cloud in our company wide intranet. This post reaches nearly 6200 people spread over 120 sub companies. We love open communication so we let them all know about openstack as well as #openstack-kolla. I hope we will be able to give something back to the community in future e.g. development heads or something else, but I | 11:54 |
| oklhost | can't promise anything right now. I would like to give a big hug to all of you guys for making openstack as easy as it is with #openstack-kolla. :-) | 11:54 |
| maharg101 | +1 ^ | 11:57 |
| mnasiadka | oklhost: nice, what's the company name? :) | 11:57 |
| oklhost | mnasiadka: lets say a huge german mail order company, not sure if I'm allowed to tell much more about it. ;) | 12:03 |
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| hrw | ;D | 12:18 |
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| mnasiadka | oklhost: sure, worked for a german parcel delivery company couple of years back :) | 12:45 |
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| Fl1nt | Good afternoon everyone! | 13:18 |
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| Fl1nt | Question, did someone already used the neutron metering agent extension? | 14:21 |
| Fl1nt | @mgoddard, How do I validate a comment on review? They seems to stay in draft status for now | 14:32 |
| mgoddard | Fl1nt: hit reply on the front page of the review | 14:32 |
| Fl1nt | oooh ok :D | 14:32 |
| Fl1nt | thx | 14:32 |
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| Fl1nt | Btw Marc, I thought about your arguments about having ceph outside of kolla-ansible, I think it make sense and it should be the same way with ELK/Grafana but still managed by either kayobe or another project as they all are really heavily moving parts and heavily needed too. | 14:39 |
| Fl1nt | lik | 14:39 |
| Fl1nt | like | 14:39 |
| Fl1nt | kolla should focus on core openstack services and agents such as fluentd/prometheus, but then recipents for such data should be external to kolla. | 14:40 |
| Fl1nt | as Kayobe can be looked like a higher level manager, splitted by domain of responsability, and it might make sense to get openstack "auxiliary" services such as tracability and monitoring handled at that level. | 14:42 |
| Fl1nt | BUT | 14:42 |
| Fl1nt | that's a lot of work ^^ | 14:42 |
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| mgoddard | Fl1nt: the key difference with ceph is that it is its own complex system, with several other deployment tools available. The same would need to apply to anything else we moved out | 14:46 |
| Fl1nt | ELK got it too | 14:47 |
| mgoddard | Fl1nt: we do support an external elasticsearch | 14:47 |
| Fl1nt | yep, it's just that how do you separate services that are satellite to openstack but yet are either more than widely used or more than needed in corporate environment? | 14:48 |
| Fl1nt | like shouldn't kolla-ansible just not provide E*K roles but yet provide images for another tool that would have a higher focus like, make different domains glues together? | 14:50 |
| Fl1nt | I may not express myself really well sorry ^^ | 14:50 |
| Fl1nt | Because I'm just wondering if kolla-ansible may not end up cluttered with side roles like the Big Tent idea at the beginning of Openstack, and as your last presentation expressed the idea to rather make rooms, I just thought about those satellite services. | 14:53 |
| openstackgerrit | James Kirsch proposed openstack/kolla master: Enable WSGI in Nova API container https://review.opendev.org/724793 | 14:56 |
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| yoctozepto | hrw, osmanlicilegi: meeting meeting? | 15:00 |
| Fl1nt | õ~ | 15:00 |
| osmanlicilegi | yoctozepto: I'm ready | 15:00 |
| osmanlicilegi | let's deprecate something | 15:01 |
| Fl1nt | @osmanlicilegi, <3 | 15:01 |
| yoctozepto | osmanlicilegi: drop the base! | 15:01 |
| openstackgerrit | Pierre Riteau proposed openstack/kayobe master: Fix concurrency issues while adding SSH keys to known_hosts https://review.opendev.org/725882 | 15:01 |
| osmanlicilegi | I have a plan to deprecate x86 completely for my clouds o_O | 15:01 |
| yoctozepto | soon! | 15:02 |
| Fl1nt | I would so much be able to deprecate physical constraints on my clouds ^^ | 15:02 |
| yoctozepto | #startmeeting kolla | 15:02 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed May 6 15:02:26 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is yoctozepto. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:02 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 15:02 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kolla' | 15:02 |
| yoctozepto | #topic rollcall | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 15:02 | |
| yoctozepto | \o | 15:02 |
| Fl1nt | \o | 15:02 |
| osmanlicilegi | o/ | 15:02 |
| yoctozepto | mgoddard mnasiadka hrw egonzalez yoctozepto rafaelweingartne cosmicsound osmanlicilegi: meeting running | 15:03 |
| erolg | o/ | 15:03 |
| hrw | ~o | 15:03 |
| headphoneJames | o/ | 15:04 |
| yoctozepto | headphoneJames: generalfuzz? | 15:04 |
| headphoneJames | re-branding myself | 15:04 |
| yoctozepto | headphoneJames: ack :-) | 15:04 |
| osmanlicilegi | I loved the new brand :] | 15:05 |
| yoctozepto | yeah, it suits James indeed :D | 15:05 |
| priteau | o/ | 15:05 |
| yoctozepto | all right, welcome everyone | 15:05 |
| yoctozepto | #topic agenda | 15:05 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "agenda (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 15:05 | |
| yoctozepto | * Roll-call | 15:05 |
| yoctozepto | * Announcements | 15:05 |
| yoctozepto | * Review action items from last meeting | 15:05 |
| yoctozepto | * CI status | 15:05 |
| yoctozepto | * Ussuri release planning (kayobe) | 15:05 |
| yoctozepto | * Ussuri release planning (kolla & kolla ansible) | 15:05 |
| yoctozepto | * Kolla Klub https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-sig | 15:05 |
| yoctozepto | #topic Announcements | 15:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Announcements (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 15:06 | |
| * hrw in two meetings at same time | 15:06 | |
| yoctozepto | #info kolla in change freeze now, please ask for FFEs, so far any internal TLS work is FFE accepted | 15:07 |
| headphoneJames | groovy | 15:07 |
| yoctozepto | and normally we accept bug fixes and those little things that happen to be small features but actually make the world better | 15:07 |
| yoctozepto | and things like that | 15:07 |
| yoctozepto | try us anyway | 15:07 |
| yoctozepto | anyone anything? | 15:07 |
| yoctozepto | (for advertisements) | 15:07 |
| Fl1nt | rogger that | 15:07 |
| osmanlicilegi | nope | 15:08 |
| yoctozepto | oh, the malls are now open in Poland | 15:08 |
| yoctozepto | you can visit the famous boutiques | 15:08 |
| Fl1nt | Same thing in France, more or less... but you can visit us ^^ | 15:08 |
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| osmanlicilegi | koalas have great discounts? | 15:09 |
| * Fl1nt hearing carefully | 15:09 | |
| yoctozepto | osmanlicilegi: yeah, koalas get special treatment, get to know me! | 15:09 |
| yoctozepto | prize in itself | 15:09 |
| osmanlicilegi | roger that | 15:09 |
| yoctozepto | a'ight, let's move on | 15:09 |
| yoctozepto | #topic Review action items from last meeting | 15:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Review action items from last meeting (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 15:10 | |
| * yoctozepto blind or there were none | 15:10 | |
| yoctozepto | #topic CI status | 15:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "CI status (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 15:10 | |
| osmanlicilegi | pretty green | 15:11 |
| yoctozepto | all green it seems | 15:11 |
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| yoctozepto | agreed, osmanlicilegi | 15:11 |
| yoctozepto | priteau: kayobe also green, no? | 15:12 |
| priteau | Pretty much green | 15:12 |
| priteau | Occasional failures due to mirrors or SSH issues in infra I think | 15:13 |
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| yoctozepto | priteau: ok | 15:13 |
| yoctozepto | updated whiteboard | 15:13 |
| yoctozepto | thanks, priteau | 15:13 |
| yoctozepto | cleared issues | 15:13 |
| yoctozepto | while we are on CI and stability | 15:14 |
| yoctozepto | please review https://review.opendev.org/723342 | 15:14 |
| patchbot | patch 723342 - kolla-ansible - Coordinate haproxy and keepalived restarts - 8 patch sets | 15:14 |
| yoctozepto | this seems to greatly help with upgrades stability | 15:14 |
| Fl1nt | keepalived and haproxy restarts are really painful, they wait for each other and generate a lot of race condition. | 15:15 |
| osmanlicilegi | another great work for kolla | 15:15 |
| Fl1nt | yep | 15:15 |
| yoctozepto | thanks | 15:16 |
| osmanlicilegi | I have a plan to test this change with some scenarios tomorrow. | 15:16 |
| yoctozepto | it would not be possible if not for Christian's fix of those MANY MANY restarts of haproxy | 15:16 |
| yoctozepto | (as then we would still be doing it in a BAD WAY <TM>) | 15:16 |
| yoctozepto | but that motivated me to finish the keepalived+haproxy drama | 15:16 |
| Fl1nt | we just need to add active/active VIP and it will all be fun ^^ | 15:17 |
| yoctozepto | also, as far as CI and general stability is concerned, there is mnasiadka's work related to haproxy+mariadb https://review.opendev.org/710213 | 15:17 |
| patchbot | patch 710213 - kolla-ansible - Custom haproxy script for monitoring galera - 40 patch sets | 15:17 |
| Fl1nt | this patch | 15:18 |
| yoctozepto | Fl1nt: yeah, throw in pacemaker and we lost our last drops of sanity | 15:18 |
| Fl1nt | is exactly what we did on our own | 15:18 |
| yoctozepto | Fl1nt: y u no upstreamify? | 15:18 |
| Fl1nt | @yoctozepto, don't please ^^ | 15:18 |
| yoctozepto | teamwork | 15:18 |
| Fl1nt | was responding to the haproxy+mariadb | 15:18 |
| Fl1nt | and we found 1 case | 15:18 |
| Fl1nt | where it's not working ^^ | 15:19 |
| Fl1nt | which is rare | 15:19 |
| yoctozepto | this patch? | 15:19 |
| yoctozepto | please do comment :-) | 15:19 |
| osmanlicilegi | Fl1nt: I have some works for active-active. I will try to clean my dirty patches and push to upstream for V. | 15:19 |
| Fl1nt | but happens with mariadb sometimes | 15:19 |
| yoctozepto | any help is appreciated | 15:19 |
| yoctozepto | testing, triaging, comments, discussion | 15:19 |
| yoctozepto | osmanlicilegi: please do! | 15:19 |
| Fl1nt | @yoctozepto, we didn't find a way to fix it as it happen when the WSREP cluster is hanging in panic | 15:20 |
| Fl1nt | so it's available but it's not | 15:20 |
| yoctozepto | please also think about these little things you would like to do/coordinate with us so that we can include that in PTG | 15:20 |
| yoctozepto | #info PTG is first week of June | 15:20 |
| yoctozepto | (late announcement) | 15:20 |
| yoctozepto | ok, let's move on | 15:20 |
| Fl1nt | Yep, I'm starting to review things and need to make time for CEPH external and few virtualenv patch | 15:20 |
| yoctozepto | #topic Ussuri release planning (kayobe) | 15:21 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Ussuri release planning (kayobe) (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 15:21 | |
| yoctozepto | Fl1nt: yeah, we need to switch nicely to native venv, but let's postpone the discussion till open | 15:21 |
| yoctozepto | priteau, dougsz, jovial[m]: want to discuss release planning? | 15:21 |
| Fl1nt | perfect | 15:21 |
| yoctozepto | guess not really :-) waiting a bit more and moving on | 15:23 |
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| priteau | sorry, was afk | 15:24 |
| yoctozepto | priteau: well, no problem, you are the only kayobian around anyways | 15:25 |
| priteau | We're supposed to feature freeze kayobe, I think a few patches are waiting for review | 15:25 |
| yoctozepto | priteau: seems you have quite a few half-approved ones | 15:26 |
| priteau | Will (jovial) has a couple of feature patches that are not yet passing Zuul checks | 15:26 |
| yoctozepto | well, then they are candidates for FFE | 15:27 |
| yoctozepto | what matters is whether you can handle stabilizing and merging (or merging and stabilizing) | 15:27 |
| yoctozepto | priteau: anything from kolla/kolla-ansible side to handle for kayobe? | 15:28 |
| yoctozepto | (and then I move on) | 15:28 |
| priteau | Not that I know. | 15:28 |
| yoctozepto | ok | 15:28 |
| yoctozepto | thanks | 15:28 |
| yoctozepto | like someone once said, kolla is actually having a week long meeting so you can easily catch us anyway | 15:29 |
| yoctozepto | even on weekends | 15:29 |
| yoctozepto | (workaholics eh) | 15:29 |
| yoctozepto | #topic Ussuri release planning (kolla & kolla ansible) | 15:29 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Ussuri release planning (kolla & kolla ansible) (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 15:29 | |
| yoctozepto | hrw, osmanlicilegi | 15:29 |
| yoctozepto | so I'll repeat the stability fixes | 15:30 |
| yoctozepto | as info for section | 15:30 |
| yoctozepto | #info https://review.opendev.org/710213 - haproxy custom checking script for mariadb (with xinetd, active polling) | 15:30 |
| patchbot | patch 710213 - kolla-ansible - Custom haproxy script for monitoring galera - 40 patch sets | 15:30 |
| yoctozepto | #info https://review.opendev.org/723342 - coordinate haproxy and keepalived restarts | 15:30 |
| patchbot | patch 723342 - kolla-ansible - Coordinate haproxy and keepalived restarts - 8 patch sets | 15:30 |
| osmanlicilegi | and also https://review.opendev.org/#/c/723021/ | 15:31 |
| patchbot | patch 723021 - kolla-ansible - Check that used Ansible can see Kolla Ansible - 6 patch sets | 15:31 |
| yoctozepto | #info https://review.opendev.org/724793 - nova mod_wsgi (apache) root user by headphoneJames | 15:31 |
| patchbot | patch 724793 - kolla - Enable WSGI in Nova API container - 4 patch sets | 15:31 |
| yoctozepto | this is part of tls work | 15:31 |
| yoctozepto | thanks, osmanlicilegi, would forget | 15:31 |
| yoctozepto | #info https://review.opendev.org/723021 - ansible and kolla_ansible environment coherency error out | 15:32 |
| patchbot | patch 723021 - kolla-ansible - Check that used Ansible can see Kolla Ansible - 6 patch sets | 15:32 |
| yoctozepto | generally all changes with RP+1 are important, a'ight | 15:32 |
| yoctozepto | RP+2 is to be approved even at 2 AM (after reviewing) | 15:33 |
| yoctozepto | and these are my initials for a good reason | 15:33 |
| yoctozepto | I don't think we have anything with similar urgency among the other patches | 15:35 |
| yoctozepto | please correct me if i'm wrong | 15:36 |
| osmanlicilegi | +2 | 15:36 |
| osmanlicilegi | seems we will be ready for feature freeze in next few days | 15:36 |
| yoctozepto | osmanlicilegi: we are in feature freeze :-) | 15:37 |
| yoctozepto | just tls is excepted from freeze | 15:37 |
| yoctozepto | we merged most of the other stuff | 15:37 |
| yoctozepto | and majority of tls too | 15:37 |
| osmanlicilegi | I have a time machine | 15:37 |
| yoctozepto | again thanks headphoneJames for his hard work and responsiveness | 15:37 |
| headphoneJames | pleasure | 15:38 |
| yoctozepto | headphoneJames: is ours :-) | 15:38 |
| yoctozepto | ok, moving on, I'm too chatty already ;-) | 15:38 |
| headphoneJames | will I still be able to add more services in Ussuri? Or should next batch target the following release | 15:38 |
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| yoctozepto | headphoneJames: we agreed for the main ones, I guess it really depends on how clean they end up | 15:39 |
| yoctozepto | if we have to rewrite half of ansible and dockerfile then it's a no-no for ussuri | 15:39 |
| Fl1nt | @headphoneJames, You mean roles? | 15:39 |
| headphoneJames | yes | 15:39 |
| yoctozepto | but nova will likely be accepted | 15:39 |
| yoctozepto | would make sense to cover barbican but it has finicky config | 15:40 |
| yoctozepto | so it all depends | 15:40 |
| yoctozepto | I guess it's better to stabilize and release early | 15:40 |
| yoctozepto | we are already doing great with stable centos8 | 15:40 |
| yoctozepto | kudos to mgoddard and hrw for handling the majority of the centos8 work | 15:41 |
| Fl1nt | Do you have any rule about new roles addition ? Like, if it's fix or improvement of existing one, it's OK to build R x.y.z +1 | 15:41 |
| yoctozepto | (and smaller to me and mnasiadka) | 15:41 |
| yoctozepto | Fl1nt: feature freeze is a bad time for role addition :-) and it likely will not be backported unless life-saving | 15:41 |
| yoctozepto | but please always propose | 15:42 |
| yoctozepto | the worst that happens is that it gets in in the next cycle | 15:42 |
| Fl1nt | yep that was my thoughts too don't worry | 15:42 |
| yoctozepto | (so that you can feel your contribution is "newer" :-) ) | 15:42 |
| hrw | yoctozepto: c8 stuff still need testing and checking why ci jobs fail | 15:42 |
| yoctozepto | hrw: is there anything in particular that you are referring to or that rbd failure with glance? | 15:43 |
| yoctozepto | that's what I normally observe | 15:43 |
| yoctozepto | (and I'm not talking aarch64) | 15:43 |
| Fl1nt | ah ah ah ^^ My contribution will rather start with review, then patch then we will thought about services, but I'm more on the deprecation team :p | 15:43 |
| yoctozepto | Fl1nt: yay for deprecations! | 15:43 |
| yoctozepto | ok, this one got lengthy, we can continue in open discussion with everything else | 15:44 |
| yoctozepto | #topic Kolla Klub https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-sig | 15:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Kolla Klub https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-sig (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 15:44 | |
| Fl1nt | I've finished my use-case slides | 15:44 |
| yoctozepto | #info Kolla Klub meeting right tomorrow (Thursday, 07th of May 2020) | 15:44 |
| yoctozepto | mgoddard: Kolla Klub tomorrow, do the write up or I'll do (yoctozepto threatened) | 15:45 |
| yoctozepto | Fl1nt: oh, great, I'm really looking forward to that | 15:45 |
| Fl1nt | I'm not really good at making slides, but I've try to do my best and all use-cases will be explainable, company named removed for contract obvious reason tho | 15:46 |
| yoctozepto | I'll try to ping mgoddard later as well | 15:47 |
| yoctozepto | Fl1nt: ack, I understand you are a consultant | 15:47 |
| Fl1nt | Does anyone want to review it? | 15:47 |
| Fl1nt | Yep | 15:47 |
| yoctozepto | Fl1nt: if it's not a problem, I could take a look if you shared it with me on google slides | 15:48 |
| yoctozepto | no promises though | 15:48 |
| osmanlicilegi | Fl1nt: me too | 15:48 |
| Fl1nt | sure no problems: | 15:48 |
| yoctozepto | I don't see Dmitry (suff) around | 15:48 |
| yoctozepto | but I hope he is doing his | 15:48 |
| yoctozepto | we can certainly talk about kolla in general | 15:49 |
| yoctozepto | moving on to open discussion now | 15:49 |
| Fl1nt | https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1SsqKXpbzdLE7LFAlhjRVPkhjV7hMpMJNYxmp_noJdVs/edit?usp=sharing | 15:49 |
| yoctozepto | #topic Open discussion | 15:49 |
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| yoctozepto | Fl1nt: ok, accessible | 15:50 |
| Fl1nt | perfect so | 15:50 |
| yoctozepto | hrw: then what about that centos8 stability? | 15:51 |
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| yoctozepto | osmanlicilegi: anything for open discussion? | 15:51 |
| yoctozepto | Fl1nt: you too | 15:51 |
| yoctozepto | headphoneJames: and you | 15:51 |
| osmanlicilegi | yoctozepto: I think the hottest topic is the brand new container image tooling :] | 15:51 |
| Fl1nt | hum, except for what I've said earlier regarding kolla/openstack satellite services | 15:51 |
| yoctozepto | osmanlicilegi: true, but I have not seen a reply from you on the ml about my ideas ;-) | 15:52 |
| osmanlicilegi | I decided to keep silent | 15:52 |
| Fl1nt | What I really like with current way to do it | 15:52 |
| yoctozepto | osmanlicilegi: understood, I was out of energy for the ooo topic otoh | 15:52 |
| Fl1nt | with jinja | 15:52 |
| osmanlicilegi | in my opinion, this could free kolla. let's wait and see how it goes. | 15:53 |
| Fl1nt | is how it is easy for companies to catch up with kolla/containers and openstack all in one as they usually have a lot of already experimented Ansible people but not so much about openstack/etc | 15:53 |
| Fl1nt | but | 15:54 |
| Fl1nt | as I'm not signed on the ML I didn't get the suggestion about the new process, so can't really prononce myself. | 15:54 |
| yoctozepto | Fl1nt: ah, that is the issue | 15:55 |
| yoctozepto | the common assumption is contributing operators are signed up | 15:55 |
| yoctozepto | and then we get these misunderstandings or late reactions :-) | 15:55 |
| yoctozepto | I really wished we did better with our communication channels | 15:55 |
| yoctozepto | wish* | 15:55 |
| Fl1nt | ^^ yeah, I'll have to sign back, I've just stepped down away a bit last year, when changed my job and opened up the company ^^ | 15:56 |
| osmanlicilegi | for whom missed the discussion on ML: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2020-May/014591.html | 15:56 |
| yoctozepto | but we (kolla) try our best I guess | 15:56 |
| Fl1nt | yep | 15:56 |
| Fl1nt | at least there is an active community ^^ | 15:56 |
| yoctozepto | #info http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2020-May/014591.html tripleo planning to drop kolla | 15:56 |
| yoctozepto | #info http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2020-April/014255.html kolla builder next generation (by yoctozepto) | 15:57 |
| yoctozepto | so these are the contributing threads | 15:57 |
| Fl1nt | ok, not to be rude, but honestly, TripleO is doing it wrong, it's a nightmare to use/deploy and cluttered with so much moving parts that it can barely work now a day ^^ | 15:57 |
| yoctozepto | I really wish someone could summarize tripleo thread | 15:58 |
| Fl1nt | but, that's for the technics/phylosophy, I'll have an extended read about the building process, hope that they didn't complexified things too much. | 15:58 |
| yoctozepto | Fl1nt: fwiw, I think the complexity of following that tripleo thread resembles how hard it is to follow tripleo apart from basic guide but I'm obviously biased :-) | 15:58 |
| yoctozepto | Fl1nt: to be honest, I think as for themselves they are doing a cleaning step, they really did rewrite like 95% of kolla templates anyway | 15:59 |
| yoctozepto | and recently the patches we downstreamed to tripleo were to make more rewrites to handle new kolla cases :-) | 16:00 |
| Fl1nt | yeah, I think the main difference between TO and Kolla is that KA is mainly created/maintained by operators that face customers and real life use cases where TO is mainly composed by RH Devs that tend to complexify too much because they don't confront customers issues. | 16:00 |
| yoctozepto | Fl1nt: it's either tripleo or ooo, people won't easily recognize TO; similarly k-a rings the bell faster | 16:00 |
| Fl1nt | noticed. | 16:00 |
| Fl1nt | so, can't prononce myself for now, I'll have to read first ^^ | 16:01 |
| yoctozepto | Fl1nt: well, that could be it, they do a lot of great work though, pushing boundaries of things | 16:01 |
| Fl1nt | yep, that why I need to have a look before just trash taking them freely. | 16:02 |
| yoctozepto | oh, and they (as red hat) earn a lot of monies on the way so can't be overly wrong with the approach ;-) | 16:02 |
| yoctozepto | on the other end of spectrum you have canonical ubuntu with charms for openstack (think juju) | 16:02 |
| Fl1nt | Well, I'm working with RH as they're one of my main provider, but honestly, many things they "build" is overkill and overly complicated against what customer really want. | 16:03 |
| yoctozepto | juju did not really catch up outside of canonical | 16:03 |
| yoctozepto | but looks pretty promising when looked from far away | 16:03 |
| osmanlicilegi | I was a long time charmer and I can clearly say, it's not k-a :] | 16:03 |
| Fl1nt | same thing with Canonical and JuJu, it's amazing, until you actually use it in production, then it start crashing etc | 16:03 |
| yoctozepto | osmanlicilegi: and how was it? | 16:04 |
| yoctozepto | Fl1nt: did you use it personally? with canonical support or self? | 16:04 |
| osmanlicilegi | I was happy with advanced support :] | 16:04 |
| Fl1nt | canonical support, on premise | 16:04 |
| yoctozepto | Fl1nt: and was it that bad? :O | 16:04 |
| yoctozepto | osmanlicilegi: ah :D | 16:04 |
| yoctozepto | osmanlicilegi: resigned because of monies? | 16:05 |
| Fl1nt | k-a is honestly the cleanest more reliable of them all. And without making me big or something, handled really large installation. | 16:05 |
| osmanlicilegi | I think the main problem for charmed openstack is, it prefers lxd | 16:05 |
| Fl1nt | I was happy with canonical relationship and support quality | 16:05 |
| osmanlicilegi | Fl1nt: +2 for support | 16:05 |
| yoctozepto | osmanlicilegi: let x = s, then lsd | 16:05 |
| Fl1nt | but they run after time and money desperatly | 16:05 |
| * yoctozepto hopes no children follow the discussion | 16:06 | |
| yoctozepto | Fl1nt: what you mean by time? | 16:06 |
| Fl1nt | they seems to have pretty difficult time to construct a clean roadmap, then try to add things because customers requested it and paid for, but that then break the whole meaning of having a roadmap | 16:08 |
| Fl1nt | ending up releasing a half-backed solution. | 16:08 |
| Fl1nt | twist plop being, it may have improved as I didn't used canonical services since a year and a half now. | 16:09 |
| yoctozepto | Fl1nt: ok, we don't have a roadmap so no such problems :D | 16:09 |
| Fl1nt | yep ^^ | 16:09 |
| yoctozepto | just kidding, we have those every cycle | 16:09 |
| Fl1nt | and it actually running more smoothly than with fixed roadmap | 16:09 |
| yoctozepto | powered by community-driven engine | 16:09 |
| yoctozepto | I read the slides, looks impressive | 16:10 |
| yoctozepto | <envy> | 16:10 |
| Fl1nt | which prove the idea is right and the good one by the amont of adoption and traction that it created for the project AND openstack in the meantime | 16:10 |
| yoctozepto | looking forward to hearing the backstory too | 16:10 |
| Fl1nt | thanks a lot | 16:10 |
| Fl1nt | There are funny stories with each one of them, but can't publicly speak out during the meeting as it is recorded ^^ | 16:11 |
| yoctozepto | Fl1nt: we rely a lot on redhat and canonical and other company folks to drive the upstream projects though | 16:11 |
| yoctozepto | but we also contribute to other projects, yeah | 16:11 |
| yoctozepto | like mgoddard is in ironic cores | 16:12 |
| yoctozepto | hrw cares for aarch64 so does party with nova from time to time | 16:12 |
| Fl1nt | yep, all in all, RH and Canonical are bringing a lot of value, can't be denied. | 16:12 |
| yoctozepto | and other little buildy things :-) | 16:12 |
| Fl1nt | and all people in here definitely kick asses. | 16:12 |
| yoctozepto | I'm the QA/CI folk around | 16:12 |
| yoctozepto | moar stability | 16:13 |
| yoctozepto | Fl1nt: understood, we can do a private one another time! | 16:13 |
| Fl1nt | Exactly what company appreciate and found value in with kolla / kolla-ansible | 16:13 |
| yoctozepto | a'ight, time to end the meeting | 16:13 |
| yoctozepto | thank you for attending | 16:13 |
| Fl1nt | For sure, be my guest, although my non disclosure agreement with video-game industry should end in few months ^^ | 16:14 |
| yoctozepto | and chatting with your chair today | 16:14 |
| yoctozepto | #endmeeting | 16:14 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Please feel welcome to join Kolla SIG https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-sig | Kolla IRC meetings on Wednesdays @ 15:00 UTC - see agenda @ https://goo.gl/OXB0DL | Whiteboard: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/KollaWhiteBoard | IRC channel is *LOGGED* @ http://goo.gl/3mzZ7b" | 16:14 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed May 6 16:14:16 2020 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:14 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2020/kolla.2020-05-06-15.02.html | 16:14 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2020/kolla.2020-05-06-15.02.txt | 16:14 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kolla/2020/kolla.2020-05-06-15.02.log.html | 16:14 |
| * yoctozepto out for now, bye! | 16:14 | |
| Fl1nt | Thanks a lot, I'll have to go afk few moments as I need to refuel for that long weekend to come ! | 16:14 |
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| adeberg | missed all the fun | 16:35 |
| noxoid | that was just the project meeting | 16:35 |
| noxoid | kolla klub is still thursday | 16:35 |
| adeberg | 🤦 | 16:35 |
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