Wednesday, 2019-06-05

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openstackgerritGaëtan Trellu proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Improve Qinling documentation  https://review.opendev.org/66322502:43
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mnasiadkamgoddard, hrw: are we doing anything with the Ceph change? :) https://review.opendev.org/#/c/657989/06:09
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hrwmnasiadka: sorry, forgot about it. +206:10
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hrwmnasiadka: vote for my patches - went green finally.06:16
hrwpy3 releasenotes will be done in separate patch later today06:16
mnasiadkahrw: yeah, they are not small - going through the py3 big one ;)06:16
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openstackgerritKrzysztof Klimonda proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Allow disabling insecure API endpoints  https://review.opendev.org/54840706:32
hrwmnasiadka: thx06:36
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hrwmnasiadka: it is probably second largest of my Kolla patches. https://review.opendev.org/451268 was first. 50th revisions, with ~20 patches around it06:44
hrwmnasiadka: ops, https://review.opendev.org/430940 one I meant06:45
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hrwmnasiadka: need help?07:51
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openstackgerritDoug Szumski proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Include cron_generator script in coverage report  https://review.opendev.org/66309708:21
openstackgerritKrzysztof Klimonda proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Allow disabling insecure API endpoints  https://review.opendev.org/54840708:30
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openstackgerritKrzysztof Klimonda proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Allow disabling insecure API endpoints  https://review.opendev.org/54840709:00
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openstackgerritKrzysztof Klimonda proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Allow disabling insecure API endpoints  https://review.opendev.org/54840709:37
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hrwmgoddard: thanks for mails on discuss. nicely summarized09:42
mgoddardhrw: thanks. Let's hope someone replies :)09:43
mgoddardhrw: thanks for the py3 update too, it's good to keep tripleo in the loop09:43
hrwmgoddard: +2+w please ;D09:44
hrwmgoddard: beware, patch is huge. mnasiadka reviews it for 3.5 hour now and not finished yet09:45
hrwmgoddard: so https://review.opendev.org/#/c/661713/ (apache2 dir), https://review.opendev.org/642375 (py3) and then https://review.opendev.org/#/c/657989/ (ceph)09:46
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mgoddardhrw: crikey09:49
mgoddardwill look at some point today hopefully09:49
hrwnew aussie word ;D09:49
hrwit makes English lessons more fun when teacher expects British English and your dictionary includes British/American/Aussie/Kiwi English09:50
mgoddardit's a good word09:52
mgoddardmnasiadka: do we still need nfs_ganesha.repo?09:52
mnasiadkamgoddard: I removed it, but hrw did some alterations to support aarch, so ask him :)09:54
mgoddardmnasiadka: hrw I couldn't see it in a grep09:54
hrwmgoddard: mnasiadka moved it into ceph.repo09:54
mnasiadkaWell, removed it and moved contents it to ceph.repo09:54
mgoddardmnasiadka or hrw: could one of you follow up with removing nfs_ganesha.repo/09:57
hrwmnasiadka: you forgot to remove it so you do patch ;d09:57
hrwI have to write some releasenotes for py309:57
mnasiadkamgoddard: will do in the evening - currently having 15 minutes break in my polish vacation (renovating a flat) ;)09:58
mgoddardmnasiadka: sure :)09:58
openstackgerritKrzysztof Klimonda proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Allow disabling insecure API endpoints  https://review.opendev.org/54840710:07
kklimonda@mgoddard when could we start reviewing this -^, at least to discuss if there are any hard stops with that approach?10:08
kklimondawell, when and who could help me with that ;)10:08
kklimondaI'd like to at least know if the approach taken there is something that can be merged after fixes, or are there any fundamental changes needed - I'm trying to get it into some sort of shape before I must commit for our internal deployment as I'd rather not get stuck with something that can't be later upgraded with kolla due to incompatible implementation.10:10
mgoddardhi kklimonda, I think you have been speaking to stackedsax about this. I was speaking to some of his colleagues yesterday, and I think they are interested in a different approach where the backend hop is encrypted10:22
mgoddardkklimonda: they should be attending the IRC meeting today at 1500 UTC, are you able to make it?10:23
kklimonda@mgoddard yes, I'll be there10:23
mgoddardkklimonda: ok. I'll mail them to encourage them to attend10:23
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dougszIf anyone has a chance to review this one it'd help unblock the fernet token fix: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/659619/10:45
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/kolla-ansible stable/rocky: Automatically configure Monasca Grafana datasource  https://review.opendev.org/65634210:52
openstackgerritMerged openstack/kolla-ansible stable/rocky: Automate Monasca documentation for configuring Kafka  https://review.opendev.org/65634310:53
mgoddarddeploy guide is still broken. Could someone review https://review.opendev.org/#/c/661879 ?10:53
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/kolla-ansible stable/rocky: Make Kafka maintenance easier  https://review.opendev.org/65634410:58
openstackgerritMerged openstack/kolla-ansible stable/rocky: Parse Monasca Log API timestamps correctly  https://review.opendev.org/65634510:58
openstackgerritMerged openstack/kolla-ansible stable/rocky: Make monasca notification templates optional  https://review.opendev.org/65634610:58
openstackgerritMerged openstack/kolla master: Ceph: Update to Nautilus on CentOS and OracleLinux  https://review.opendev.org/65798911:00
mgoddardmnasiadka: ^ woop11:00
openstackgerritMark Goddard proposed openstack/kolla stable/stein: Switch to RDO Stein release on CentOS & Oracle  https://review.opendev.org/65160111:01
openstackgerritMerged openstack/kolla-ansible stable/rocky: Update log metrics config for Logstash downgrade  https://review.opendev.org/65634711:02
openstackgerritMerged openstack/kolla-ansible stable/rocky: Enable Kibana if Monasca enabled  https://review.opendev.org/65634811:02
openstackgerritMerged openstack/kolla-ansible stable/rocky: Call Grafana APIs only once  https://review.opendev.org/65760911:02
openstackgerritMerged openstack/kolla-ansible stable/rocky: Find Monasca agent plugins locally  https://review.opendev.org/65761011:02
openstackgerritMerged openstack/kolla-ansible stable/rocky: Fix issues obtaining Keystone token with Monasca Grafana  https://review.opendev.org/65799411:02
dougszヽ(´▽`)/11:05
openstackgerritKrzysztof Klimonda proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Allow disabling insecure API endpoints  https://review.opendev.org/54840711:06
openstackgerritMarcin Juszkiewicz proposed openstack/kolla master: Use packagecloud/ubuntu rabbitmq repo for all archs  https://review.opendev.org/66330011:06
hrwdougsz: +211:08
hrwmgoddard: guide +2+w11:09
mgoddardhrw: ty11:09
mgoddarddougsz: they all in?11:09
hrwmgoddard: bumped review priority in two of my patches: rabbitmq above and py311:11
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hrwwant to finally get rid of py3 one and then the rest11:12
mgoddardhrw: ok. will get to it :)11:12
hrwand then do normal deploy instead of 'remember to pile patches, do build, switch to kolla-ansible, pile, do deploy'11:12
mgoddardliving the dream11:13
hrwSwitched to a new branch '20190605-py3-pile'11:14
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hrw2fc6591a (HEAD -> 20190605-py3-pile) grafana/aarch64: use package from upstream repositories11:18
hrwe4954c1c Use packagecloud/ubuntu rabbitmq repo for all archs11:18
hrwa121710e create missing apache2 directory on Debian/Ubuntu11:18
hrw8fdc184f Debian/Ubuntu: move to Python 3 for binary/source images11:18
hrw00475feb (origin/master, origin/HEAD, master) Merge "Ceph: Update to Nautilus on CentOS and OracleLinux"11:18
hrwnow I can build11:18
hrw(venv3) 11:18 (0s) hrw@debian:kolla$ time ~/bin/docker-utils/kolla-build-images.sh 'ubuntu' 'source' '--push --registry 10.101.16.9:2000 ' 20190605-py3-pile11:18
hrwand now have to wait11:18
mgoddardhrw: the glamourous life of a build engineer11:21
hrwyep11:21
hrwnext week OpenInfra Days Poland in Kraków11:24
hrwand migration from 2x28x4 server to 1x46x1 one (sockets x cores x threads)11:25
hrwwonder how it will impact build times ;d11:25
hrwkolla builds are not that cpu bound anyway11:26
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priteauI think I just ran into https://bugs.launchpad.net/kolla-ansible/+bug/1734872. There doesn't appear to be any fix for it yet?11:31
openstackLaunchpad bug 1734872 in kolla-ansible "Reconfigure of nova with changed DB or MQ hostname or password creates a duplicate cell" [Undecided,New]11:31
mgoddardpriteau: I'm not aware of one :(11:35
priteauI'll look into it.11:35
openstackgerritMark Goddard proposed openstack/kolla-ansible stable/stein: nova: Fix DBNotAllowed during compute startup  https://review.opendev.org/66330311:36
openstackgerritMark Goddard proposed openstack/kolla-ansible stable/rocky: nova: Fix DBNotAllowed during compute startup  https://review.opendev.org/66330411:37
hrw Tasks: 280, 1104 thr, 1848 kthr; 39 running Load average: 21.39 7.62 4.511:41
hrwlooks like normal build day11:42
openstackgerritMerged openstack/kolla master: create missing apache2 directory on Debian/Ubuntu  https://review.opendev.org/66171311:48
hrwone less to care11:48
openstackgerritGaëtan Trellu proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Improve Qinling documentation  https://review.opendev.org/66322511:49
openstackgerritGaëtan Trellu proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Improve Qinling documentation  https://review.opendev.org/66322511:50
openstackgerritMark Goddard proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Add CI job for ironic  https://review.opendev.org/56882911:53
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openstackgerritMark Goddard proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Add CI job for ironic  https://review.opendev.org/56882911:55
openstackgerritGaëtan Trellu proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Improve Qinling documentation  https://review.opendev.org/66322511:57
hrwand built.12:02
hrwdeploy time12:03
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kplantwould anyone recommend not pulling kolla-ansible from git and using a stable branch for production? instead of from pypi12:14
hrwkplant: if you use proper branch then it should be safe.12:16
kplanthrw: ty12:16
hrwsometimes safer than pypi as may have bugfixes we did not yet released into pypi12:16
yoctozeptokplant: I use stable branch for production (more like evaluation), rocky is stable now, stein is more wip12:17
hrwjust rememeber to keep same branch for image and deploy12:17
kklimonda@mgoddard I just saw your emails regarding kayobe and planned removal of ceph from kolla-ansible - any plans on integrating ceph-ansible with kayobe?12:18
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dougsz mgoddard: yeah, all in :) I will close the bug12:20
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yoctozeptokklimonda: that would invalidate the project's name :-)12:23
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hrwyoctozepto: no, it would not12:25
hrwplug racks of hw, run kayobe, use.12:25
hrwwith operating system installed, ceph nodes installed, compute/control/etc nodes installed.12:26
yoctozeptohrw: kayobe - kolla on bifrost, I see a need for name expansion12:26
hrwI do not12:26
hrwbut that's first time I see expansion of name ;D12:26
kplantk o b12:27
kplantyoctozepto: you're saying the 'c' is missing?12:27
yoctozeptokplant: exactly!12:27
yoctozeptohrw: I like to learn etymologies12:28
hrwkplant: with so many languages/dialects in use I stopped counting on pronounciations12:28
hrwhttps://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2007/04/26/how-to-pronounce-haerwu/12:28
hrw /hʌ eə vʊ/ or /xa ɛə vuː/ or just 'h r w' using english letter names12:29
kplantyeah.. that's a fair point12:31
kplanti only knew kayobe was k-o-b because i read it somewhere12:31
kplantdefinitely didn't reverse engineer that on my own12:31
yoctozeptoas did I12:32
yoctozeptodoes not come to mind too quickly12:32
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mgoddardkklimonda: yes, we would like to integrate ceph-ansible with kayobe12:38
kplantmgoddard: are you aiming to run ceph in containers or just on metal?12:39
mgoddardkklimonda: https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/200479912:39
kplanti didn't sink much time into it but i ran into a lot of dependency issues when trying to drop the ceph containers into docker deployed by kolla-ansible12:40
* hrw off12:40
mgoddardkplant: we normally use bare metal. Ideally it would be configurable enough to choose either though12:41
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kplantthat's the route i took, ceph on metal and kolla-ansible with a python venv12:41
kplantseems to be working fine (so far)12:41
kklimondayeah, we've gone the same way in our deployments so far12:42
kplantipco12:43
kplantwrong window :|12:43
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openstackgerritMark Goddard proposed openstack/kolla stable/stein: Ceph: Update to Nautilus on CentOS and OracleLinux  https://review.opendev.org/66331212:49
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hrwok, so who here is core@kayobe?13:00
openstackgerritJason Anderson proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Support multi-region discovery of Nova cells  https://review.opendev.org/66331913:06
mgoddardhrw: me, dougsz, jovial (not here), johnthetubaguy, priteau, ktibi13:07
hrwmgoddard: thx13:07
hrwmgoddard: one reason to merge kayobe as kolla/kayobe is to quickly enlarge core team ;D13:08
mgoddardhrw: maybe, doesn't automatically mean they have extra review time though13:09
openstackgerritJason Anderson proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Support multi-region discovery of Nova cells  https://review.opendev.org/66331913:09
hrwyep13:09
openstackgerritJason Anderson proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Hide logs when looping over passwords  https://review.opendev.org/66332113:10
dougszThe thing I like most about kolla/kayobe is bringing the users from both projects closer together which should hopefully in turn benefit both projects.13:13
openstackgerritJason Anderson proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Do not recreate Blazar DB if using preconfigured  https://review.opendev.org/66332213:14
openstackgerritJason Anderson proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Allow overriding heat domain/user names  https://review.opendev.org/66332313:16
mgoddarddougsz: I think that would be nice13:16
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openstackgerritJason Anderson proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Fix Blazar Nova aggregate in multi-region setup  https://review.opendev.org/66332413:18
openstackgerritMark Goddard proposed openstack/kolla stable/stein: Switch to RDO Stein release on CentOS & Oracle  https://review.opendev.org/65160113:20
openstackgerritJason Anderson proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: [haproxy] Support interfaces with '-' chars  https://review.opendev.org/66332513:20
openstackgerritMerged openstack/kolla-ansible master: Improve Qinling documentation  https://review.opendev.org/66322513:21
hrwhttps://review.opendev.org/#/c/642375/ (py3) waits for cores13:21
openstackgerritJason Anderson proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Don't skip creating nova DB user if DB exists  https://review.opendev.org/66332613:23
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priteau^^^ I asked Jason if he could push kolla fixes developed for the Chameleon testbed. There might be a little flood of patches from him today.13:24
openstackgerritJason Anderson proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: [heat] Multi-region support for bootstrap  https://review.opendev.org/66332713:24
priteauThey have a multi-region cloud so may be seeing bugs that few others would have noticed13:25
mgoddardpriteau: thanks for encouraging sharing13:29
mgoddardpriteau: didn't think Chameleon was kolla-based though?13:30
priteauThey migrated to it a few months ago13:30
openstackgerritJason Anderson proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Add blazar to fluentd aggregation  https://review.opendev.org/66333013:31
priteauIIRC first RDO Ocata -> Kolla Ocata, then Kolla Ocata -> Kolla Rocky.13:31
hrwnice13:31
mgoddardthat is nice13:31
hrwI have a some kind of dejavu.13:32
hrw15 years ago I was OpenEmbedded developer. it was small project about building embedded distributions. no serious commercial use. few years passed and most of industry moved to it abandoning in-house solutions.13:33
hrwnow more and more projects migrate to kolla13:34
mgoddardwe're taking over the world13:38
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dougszhrw: cool, I have fond memories of OE + bitbake!13:39
hrwdougsz: ;)13:40
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hrwanyone familiar with EPMD and rabbitmq?13:45
hrwif I remove ERL_EPMD_ADDRESS from rabbit-env.conf then rabbitmq container starts and works13:46
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mgoddardhrw: that variable has been set and unset over time :)13:56
mgoddardhrw: check git log -p13:56
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/kolla-ansible master: Remove unused [service_credentials] config sections  https://review.opendev.org/66244714:19
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hrwD:14:24
mgoddardhrw: I'm looking at your patch14:26
hrwgood14:27
hrwmgoddard: releasenotes will be other patch14:27
mgoddardhrw: quite a few places you've updated binary packages. Do we need to backport these to stein, or are they newly python3 for train?14:27
hrwmgoddard: do not backport14:27
mgoddardhrw: they were all python 2 in stein?14:28
hrwmgoddard: py2 unless binary package depended on py3 then you got both14:28
hrwmgoddard: UCA/stein was mix of py2/314:28
mgoddardhrw: yes. We're still on UCA/stein though right?14:29
hrwmgoddard: but will be on UCA/train14:29
hrwmgoddard: I consider it to be too big patch to backport14:29
mgoddardhrw: yes, but if we need these changes to make it work now, surely we also need them in stein?14:30
mgoddardI don't mean the entire patch14:30
mgoddarde.g. here: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/642375/25/docker/nova/nova-compute/Dockerfile.j214:30
mgoddardthe top changes are for binary - surely we need those in stein too?14:31
hrwmgoddard: binary part is a cleanup as all ubuntu/debian binary/source images gets python3 from base.14:31
mgoddardhrw: yes, but not all package deps get pulled in, so we specify some explicitly. If we have specified py2 packages they won't work14:31
hrwmgoddard: to be honest: our binary images require review and cleanup. several of those 'extra' deps are already included in UCA packages14:33
hrwand no one did review of UCA/stein ones14:35
hrw~curse openvswitch for it's requirement of another card14:35
mgoddardhrw: e.g. http://paste.openstack.org/show/752534/14:35
hrw"and no one did review of UCA/stein ones"14:36
mgoddardhrw: I don't think it's a big deal. We just need to split this patch up and backport the binary parts14:38
hrwleave comments in patch please14:39
mgoddardwill do14:39
hrwand next time I will stop at 10th revision and wait for serious reviews ;D14:41
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mgoddardhrw: it's not a big job - git reset -p is your friend14:42
hrwmgoddard: I am tired of that patch ;D14:42
mgoddardhrw: yeah I know :)14:42
mgoddard"he was not the hero they asked for. But he was the hero they needed"14:43
mgoddardhrw: how about I do the split?14:44
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hrwmgoddard: feel free. it is foss14:44
mgoddardhrw: ok14:45
hrwmgoddard: my ownership of patch ends once it gets outside of "my" machines14:45
mnasiadkamgoddard: thanks for pushing the bloody ceph patch14:45
hrwmnasiadka: thx for making it14:45
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hrw~curse ubuntu...14:48
hrwapt install python3-ldappool == give me python 2 and python 314:49
openstackgerritMerged openstack/kolla-ansible master: Spelling mistake in manila.conf.j2  https://review.opendev.org/66212314:50
openstackgerritMerged openstack/kolla-ansible stable/rocky: nova: Fix DBNotAllowed during compute startup  https://review.opendev.org/66330414:50
openstackgerritMerged openstack/kolla-ansible stable/stein: nova: Fix DBNotAllowed during compute startup  https://review.opendev.org/66330314:50
mnasiadkahrw: raise another bug :)14:51
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hrwmnasiadka: will not be fixed in bionic anyway14:54
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mgoddardok team, first meeting in our channel!15:00
mgoddard#startmeeting kolla15:00
openstackMeeting started Wed Jun  5 15:00:41 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mgoddard. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.15:00
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.15:00
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'kolla'15:00
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mgoddardI guess people like having the meeting in here then :)15:01
mgoddard#topic agenda15:02
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mgoddard* Roll-call15:02
mgoddard* Announcements15:02
mgoddard** IRC meetings now held in #openstack-kolla15:02
mgoddard** Virtual PTG summary email on openstack-discuss: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-May/006793.html15:02
mgoddard** Vote for Train cycle priorities: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-train-priorities15:02
mgoddard** Lots of emails on openstack-discuss for PTG follow ups. Please read and reply15:02
mgoddard* Review action items from last meeting15:02
mgoddard* Kolla whiteboard https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/KollaWhiteBoard15:02
mgoddard* Stein release status15:02
mgoddard#topic announcements15:02
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mgoddard#info IRC meetings now held in #openstack-kolla15:02
mgoddard#info Virtual PTG summary email on openstack-discuss: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-May/006793.html15:02
mgoddard#info Vote for Train cycle priorities: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-train-priorities15:03
mgoddard#info Lots of emails on openstack-discuss for PTG follow ups. Please read and reply15:03
mgoddard#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-May/006793.html15:03
mgoddard#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-June/006895.html15:03
mgoddard#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-June/006896.html15:03
mgoddard#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-June/006897.html15:04
mgoddard#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-June/006898.html15:04
mgoddard#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-June/006899.html15:04
mgoddard#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-June/006900.html15:04
mgoddard#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-June/006901.html15:04
mgoddard#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-June/006902.html15:04
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* hrw in two meetings at same time15:04
mgoddardI got a bit email happy. Some are requesting feedback, so please read and reply if it affects you15:05
hrwmgoddard: thanks for doing it.15:05
mgoddardnp15:06
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mgoddard#topic Review action items from last meeting15:06
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mgoddardmgoddard to try again again to disable ocata publishing job15:06
mgoddardmgoddard to investigate bifrost CI failures15:06
hrwbtw - ubuntu:18.04 binary images will have py2/py3 each time. python3-ldappool depends on both py2 and py3 ;(15:06
mgoddardhrw: doh. Do we need to follow up with ubuntu?15:07
hrwthere will be point15:07
kklimondahrw what is the dependency path pulling python2  ?15:07
mgoddard#action mgoddard to try again again to disable ocata publishing job15:07
mgoddarddidn't get around to it still15:07
hrwpython3-ldappool -> python3-pyldap -> python-ldap -> * -> python215:07
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kklimondaouch15:08
mgoddardI did fix the bifrost jobs. They now only fail if they run on the OVH cloud15:08
kklimondaand python3-pyldap is a transition package15:08
hrwyep15:08
kklimondadepending on how much we care about that, we could create a fake package that satisfies the dependency15:08
mgoddard#topic Kolla whiteboard https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/KollaWhiteBoard15:08
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hrwkklimonda: have an idea to fix it. but let go with agenda now15:09
mgoddardCI mostly looking good15:10
mgoddardstill need this one to land to fix bifrost on rocky: https://review.opendev.org/66195815:10
hrw+2+2+w+z2 and not landed?15:11
hrwah. rocky15:11
mgoddardoops, https://review.opendev.org/#/c/662029/15:11
hrw#link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/662029/15:11
mgoddardthanks15:11
mgoddardonce we have train priorities we can add those to the whiteboard15:12
mnasiadkaNow it will land :)15:12
mgoddardthanks15:12
mgoddardanything else from the whiteboard?15:12
mgoddard#topic Stein release status15:13
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mgoddardthanks to mnasiadka we now have Ceph nautilus on centos \o/15:13
mgoddardthe patch has been ported to stein, after which we should finally be able to use RDO Stein packages15:14
mgoddardprobably a few patches to merge at that point, then finally we'll have a stein release15:15
chasonmnasiadka, nice work, dude. :)15:15
mgoddardanyone else know of any stein blocking issues at this point?15:15
hrwkklimonda: https://pastebin.com/sXT52g6P should fix it15:15
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mgoddard#topic Open discussion15:16
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mgoddardNice short on the formalities today15:16
kklimonda@hrw ah, so no other binary packages actually depend on `python3-pyldap` itself? if so, then yeah - seems like it should work.15:16
mgoddardkklimonda and scottsol I think you wanted to discuss TLS?15:16
mgoddardand stackedsax if you're awake?15:17
* hrw on py3 - in queue15:17
mnasiadkaI have a question around FFU - is anybody planning to work on that?15:17
scottsolyes :)15:17
mgoddardwe can do py3 ldap first if you like kklimonda and hrw ?15:17
kklimonda@mgoddard yeah, I'd like to talk a bit about that and see if we can come to an agreement on how to implement that15:17
kklimondaeither is fine with me15:17
mgoddardhrw: any more to say on py3 ldap ubuntu?15:18
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hrwmgoddard: py3 ldap? will see what can be done to solve it.15:18
mgoddardok. Let's move onto TLS first then FFU next15:19
kklimonda@hrw if the patch you proposed doesn't work, we can use `equivs` to fake the package that is pulling python215:19
hrwmgoddard: go for it15:19
mgoddardI'll summarise the issue for people then we can discuss15:20
mgoddardcurrently in k-a we don't use TLS on the internal API network, only the external network15:20
openstackgerritAlex Schultz proposed openstack/kolla master: Remove tripleo-ui  https://review.opendev.org/66284615:21
mgoddardthere is a patch that disables the internal network, using external+TLS everywhere15:21
mgoddard#link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/548407/15:21
mgoddardthis was built for a specific environment, but some people still want split API networks, but with TLS on the internal network15:22
mgoddardthere are two ways proposed to do this15:23
mgoddard1. use haproxy to terminate TLS, forward TCP to localhost backend or TLS to a remote backend with haproxy in front15:24
mgoddard2. TLS from haproxy to the backends15:24
mgoddard2 can save an extra TLS hop, but requires OpenStack APIs to support TLS. We'd need to make them all use apache to do this (many do already)15:25
mgoddardhopefully that's a reasonable overview15:25
mgoddardscottsol, kklimonda - what are your thoughts?15:25
mgoddard(or anyone else)15:26
jrolldata point: we're doing something similar to (1) - we deploy haproxy on each controller node outside of kolla. that haproxy only fronts the services running on localhost. we have an (octavia, but can be whatever) load balancer up front that points at each haproxy as a backend.15:26
scottsolI guess a first good step would be to evaluate how many services are missing the support for wsgi modifications15:26
jrollso LB --TLS--> haproxy --noTLS--> local service15:27
kklimondaI've started working on the second approach in the beginning, focusing only on keystone first as that's a requirement for us. It feels more of a classical approach, while the first approach reminds me of sidecar pattern in kubernetes15:27
scottsolwe'd maybe have to deploy a new container to handle the ones that dont support it or use option 115:27
mgoddardjroll: thanks, that's useful. 1. is like that but with kolla's haproxy providing both load balancer instances15:27
jrollmgoddard: right :)15:28
jrollre 2) all(?) openstack services should be able to be deployed as wsgi with apache/nginx/whatever in front, so it's doable. just need to do that work in kolla-ansible15:29
jroll2 seems ideal to me, it's a bit more flexible and less moving parts. just some extra work up front15:29
kklimondawith second approach, we also have to work on distributing certs to all the nodes15:29
mgoddardkklimonda: isn't that true in both cases?15:30
mgoddardkklimonda: regardless of whether haproxy or apache is terminating TLS, it needs a cert15:30
kklimondamgoddard: with first approach we only need one (or three) certificate for haproxy.15:30
kklimondamgoddard: now, with services you'd probably need a certificate per host where the service is deployed, so that the IP/hostname matches?15:31
mgoddardkklimonda: the cert needs to be valid not just on the VIP but on the host's IP. Or potentially we'd need separate certs15:31
kklimondayes, that would work15:32
mgoddardkklimonda: because in 1. haproxy needs to listen on the host's IP, I think the problem is the same15:32
openstackgerritJason Anderson proposed openstack/kolla master: Allow building images if parent was skipped  https://review.opendev.org/62927515:32
mgoddardkklimonda: becase we can have two paths15:32
kklimonda@mgoddard yes, you are right15:32
mgoddardhaproxy - TCP -> backend15:33
mgoddardhaproxy (VIP) - TLS -> haproxy (IP) - TCP -> backend15:33
kklimondaso no difference on that front15:33
mgoddardyeah15:33
kklimondawith first approach we are adding an additional optional hop15:33
kklimondaclient->haproxy->remote haproxy->service15:34
kklimondabut I wonder how much latency will that add15:34
mgoddardscottsol makes a good point about assessing the existing support for apache15:34
kklimondamhm, I've assumed that all OS services have parity here, but that's a good point15:35
mgoddardis that something you or stackedsax could pick up scottsol ?15:35
mgoddardkklimonda: how far did you get with keystone? did you push a patch?15:36
scottsolI will ask @stackedsax to do this15:36
stackedsaxyeah, I started looking into it.  I got a provisional list of which services had support and which didn't15:36
mgoddardgreat15:36
scottsoloh hey stackedsax15:37
kklimondacan you share it? We could just make a list of all services in kolla and go one by one15:37
stackedsaxhihi15:37
mgoddardwe could start an etherpad to track this stuff?15:37
scottsolthat sounds like a good idea15:37
mgoddard#link http://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-internal-tls15:38
kklimonda@mgoddard no, but I can push it - I'll that with how the existing patch merges internal and public endpoints15:38
kklimonda@mgoddard I'll do it tomorrow and open a review15:38
mgoddardkklimonda: that would be great - please add to the etherpad15:38
kklimondak15:38
mgoddardstackedsax: could you add your list to the pad?15:39
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mgoddardI've also added this feature to the whiteboard (https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/KollaWhiteBoard)15:41
mgoddardeveryone happy to move on?15:42
kklimonda@mgoddard one last thing15:42
mgoddardsure15:42
kklimonda@mgoddard is the approach of "merging" internal, admin and public endpoints, by sharing same IP and certificate, ok?15:42
kklimondaany reason that we'd like to keep them separate?15:43
mgoddardkklimonda: I think scottsol and stackedsax have a use case to keep them separate15:43
mgoddardkklimonda: which do you prefer?15:43
kklimonda@mgoddard well, so far merging resulted less work, but if there is an usecase for separation then we should support that15:45
mgoddardscottsol: stackedsax ?15:45
scottsolwe'd prefer to keep them separate if possible so that we don't have to send admin api traffic over a public vip15:45
mgoddardit should still be possible to use a single network by not enabling the external network15:46
kklimondamhm, in that case I think it makes sense to keep support separate endpoints15:48
mgoddardseems reasonable15:48
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mgoddardit might be worth putting together a couple of paragraphs of design proposal for discussion once we've agreed on 1 or 215:50
scottsolWe could be convinced if it adds a massive overhead of work but I'd say for now we'd certainly prefer to keep the separation15:50
mgoddardso we're all on the same page15:50
stackedsaxI added my list to the etherpad.  Can I turn off authorship colors?  I'm pleased with my magenta, but my eyes are also bleeding.15:50
kklimondayou can change your color ;)15:51
kklimondaor disable it alltogether in settings15:51
stackedsaxyeah, I was wondering whether y'all were fine with me turning off the colors for the moment15:52
stackedsaxor if you found it useful to keep track15:53
mgoddardI don't mind too much, it can be useful15:53
priteauI thought Etherpad colours were a personal setting15:54
mgoddardjust added a requirement not to break existing setups with a cert only for the VIP15:54
mgoddardto do that the second leg of encryption would need to be optional15:54
stackedsaxpriteau: you can turn them off altogether if you like15:54
stackedsaxI'll leave them on... for now :D15:54
mgoddardgood discussion, let's move onto FFU for mnasiadka15:55
mgoddard#link https://review.opendev.org/61450815:55
mgoddardFFU spec by spsurya15:55
stackedsaxoh, one last little tidbit: I'd love for someone to go through my list with me and identify which services we should be focusing on.  Doesn't have to be now, I'd just like to know who to ping.15:55
mgoddardThere was also https://review.opendev.org/619501, for stopping containers15:56
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mgoddardstackedsax: that is quite related to our recent agreement to declare a level of support for each service15:57
scottsolstackedsax I can help you with that15:57
mnasiadkamgoddard: just wanted to know if somebody plans on working on it - previously it was mainly egonzalez15:57
mgoddardmnasiadka: I'm not aware of anyone. egonzalez and spsurya were doing bits, but I don't think it was finished15:58
mnasiadkamgoddard: it wasn’t15:58
mgoddardmnasiadka: do you need it?15:58
mnasiadkamgoddard: not particularly now ;)15:59
mgoddardstackedsax: you can try 'grep -rn wsgi docker/' in kolla to see which are using apache/wsgi16:00
mnasiadkamgoddard: also would be bad to see it abandoned - ai think egonzalez worked on this for some time16:00
stackedsaxmgoddard: will do16:01
stackedsaxscottsol: cool, will ping you offline from here16:01
mgoddardmnasiadka: sure. If someone wants to pick it up that would be great16:01
mgoddardmnasiadka: if you're looking for people to help you could ask the ML16:01
mnasiadkamgoddard: will do16:01
mgoddardwould at least be interested to know what remains to be done16:02
mgoddardok, we're over time16:02
mgoddardthanks everyone, some good discussion today16:02
mgoddard#endmeeting16:02
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priteauAre we planning to change endpoints from using a dedicated port for each service to using an URL prefix and use ports 80/443? cdent's comment on https://review.opendev.org/#/c/662164/ made me think about it16:05
priteauThat's how devstack is configured now16:05
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mgoddardpriteau: what are the benefits?16:11
priteauSometimes people have problems using the API if they are behind restrictive firewalls16:11
priteauThe Nova deploy guide still uses separate ports though16:14
openstackgerritMerged openstack/kolla-ansible stable/rocky: Fix bifrost tests (Rocky)  https://review.opendev.org/66202916:14
mgoddardcould be a chunky change16:15
mgoddardpresumably the backends are still on separate ports?16:15
mgoddardotherwise you'd need a single web server in front16:15
priteauTurns out this is an old discussion (2015) in OpenStack: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-June/067147.html16:18
priteauI suppose the easiest way to do this is to have haproxy remove the prefix and redirect to each backend using a different port16:21
openstackgerritMark Goddard proposed openstack/kolla master: Debian/Ubuntu: move to Python 3 for source images  https://review.opendev.org/64237516:23
openstackgerritMark Goddard proposed openstack/kolla master: Debian/Ubuntu: more python3 packages for binary  https://review.opendev.org/66337516:23
mgoddardpriteau: yes I think we'd need to do that16:24
priteauProbably something to discuss with other deployment tools so we don't diverge too much16:26
jrollI would love to do that thing16:29
jrollthe external haproxy I described above does similar, but routes based on hostname (compute.cloud.blah.com, network.cloud.blah.com, etc)16:29
jrollwe did hostname because the haproxy config was much easier, but a prefix is nicer :P16:30
priteauyeah that's a variant approach16:30
jrolland yes, we have the backends on separate ports16:30
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roukis there any openstack service that kolla prefrably supports ish that would handle like... burst resources to be allocated by random projects for a specific period of time? blazar isnt really the right idea.18:01
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priteaurouk: Can you describe further your use case? Are you thinking of something like preemtible instances?18:30
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openstackgerritPierre Riteau proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Avoid duplicating Nova cells  https://review.opendev.org/66339818:36
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hrwmgoddard: looks like in-channel meeting was good idea19:10
roukpriteau: say i have 200 users, they need the ability to claim resources into their personal projects, but i dont want them to be permanent allocations, as that will make the oversub really hard to control.19:24
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openstackgerritwes hayutin proposed openstack/kolla stable/stein: WIP: Fedora support for python3 package testing  https://review.opendev.org/66340919:39
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openstackgerritJason Anderson proposed openstack/kolla master: [neutron] Do not migrate all subprojects  https://review.opendev.org/66343621:25
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openstackgerritJason Anderson proposed openstack/kolla master: Add locals_base option  https://review.opendev.org/66344721:53
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