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mnasiadka | mgoddard, hrw: are we doing anything with the Ceph change? :) https://review.opendev.org/#/c/657989/ | 06:09 |
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hrw | mnasiadka: sorry, forgot about it. +2 | 06:10 |
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hrw | mnasiadka: vote for my patches - went green finally. | 06:16 |
hrw | py3 releasenotes will be done in separate patch later today | 06:16 |
mnasiadka | hrw: yeah, they are not small - going through the py3 big one ;) | 06:16 |
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openstackgerrit | Krzysztof Klimonda proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Allow disabling insecure API endpoints https://review.opendev.org/548407 | 06:32 |
hrw | mnasiadka: thx | 06:36 |
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hrw | mnasiadka: it is probably second largest of my Kolla patches. https://review.opendev.org/451268 was first. 50th revisions, with ~20 patches around it | 06:44 |
hrw | mnasiadka: ops, https://review.opendev.org/430940 one I meant | 06:45 |
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hrw | mnasiadka: need help? | 07:51 |
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openstackgerrit | Doug Szumski proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Include cron_generator script in coverage report https://review.opendev.org/663097 | 08:21 |
openstackgerrit | Krzysztof Klimonda proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Allow disabling insecure API endpoints https://review.opendev.org/548407 | 08:30 |
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openstackgerrit | Krzysztof Klimonda proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Allow disabling insecure API endpoints https://review.opendev.org/548407 | 09:00 |
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openstackgerrit | Krzysztof Klimonda proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Allow disabling insecure API endpoints https://review.opendev.org/548407 | 09:37 |
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hrw | mgoddard: thanks for mails on discuss. nicely summarized | 09:42 |
mgoddard | hrw: thanks. Let's hope someone replies :) | 09:43 |
mgoddard | hrw: thanks for the py3 update too, it's good to keep tripleo in the loop | 09:43 |
hrw | mgoddard: +2+w please ;D | 09:44 |
hrw | mgoddard: beware, patch is huge. mnasiadka reviews it for 3.5 hour now and not finished yet | 09:45 |
hrw | mgoddard: so https://review.opendev.org/#/c/661713/ (apache2 dir), https://review.opendev.org/642375 (py3) and then https://review.opendev.org/#/c/657989/ (ceph) | 09:46 |
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mgoddard | hrw: crikey | 09:49 |
mgoddard | will look at some point today hopefully | 09:49 |
hrw | new aussie word ;D | 09:49 |
hrw | it makes English lessons more fun when teacher expects British English and your dictionary includes British/American/Aussie/Kiwi English | 09:50 |
mgoddard | it's a good word | 09:52 |
mgoddard | mnasiadka: do we still need nfs_ganesha.repo? | 09:52 |
mnasiadka | mgoddard: I removed it, but hrw did some alterations to support aarch, so ask him :) | 09:54 |
mgoddard | mnasiadka: hrw I couldn't see it in a grep | 09:54 |
hrw | mgoddard: mnasiadka moved it into ceph.repo | 09:54 |
mnasiadka | Well, removed it and moved contents it to ceph.repo | 09:54 |
mgoddard | mnasiadka or hrw: could one of you follow up with removing nfs_ganesha.repo/ | 09:57 |
hrw | mnasiadka: you forgot to remove it so you do patch ;d | 09:57 |
hrw | I have to write some releasenotes for py3 | 09:57 |
mnasiadka | mgoddard: will do in the evening - currently having 15 minutes break in my polish vacation (renovating a flat) ;) | 09:58 |
mgoddard | mnasiadka: sure :) | 09:58 |
openstackgerrit | Krzysztof Klimonda proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Allow disabling insecure API endpoints https://review.opendev.org/548407 | 10:07 |
kklimonda | @mgoddard when could we start reviewing this -^, at least to discuss if there are any hard stops with that approach? | 10:08 |
kklimonda | well, when and who could help me with that ;) | 10:08 |
kklimonda | I'd like to at least know if the approach taken there is something that can be merged after fixes, or are there any fundamental changes needed - I'm trying to get it into some sort of shape before I must commit for our internal deployment as I'd rather not get stuck with something that can't be later upgraded with kolla due to incompatible implementation. | 10:10 |
mgoddard | hi kklimonda, I think you have been speaking to stackedsax about this. I was speaking to some of his colleagues yesterday, and I think they are interested in a different approach where the backend hop is encrypted | 10:22 |
mgoddard | kklimonda: they should be attending the IRC meeting today at 1500 UTC, are you able to make it? | 10:23 |
kklimonda | @mgoddard yes, I'll be there | 10:23 |
mgoddard | kklimonda: ok. I'll mail them to encourage them to attend | 10:23 |
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dougsz | If anyone has a chance to review this one it'd help unblock the fernet token fix: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/659619/ | 10:45 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/kolla-ansible stable/rocky: Automatically configure Monasca Grafana datasource https://review.opendev.org/656342 | 10:52 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/kolla-ansible stable/rocky: Automate Monasca documentation for configuring Kafka https://review.opendev.org/656343 | 10:53 |
mgoddard | deploy guide is still broken. Could someone review https://review.opendev.org/#/c/661879 ? | 10:53 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/kolla-ansible stable/rocky: Make Kafka maintenance easier https://review.opendev.org/656344 | 10:58 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/kolla-ansible stable/rocky: Parse Monasca Log API timestamps correctly https://review.opendev.org/656345 | 10:58 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/kolla-ansible stable/rocky: Make monasca notification templates optional https://review.opendev.org/656346 | 10:58 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/kolla master: Ceph: Update to Nautilus on CentOS and OracleLinux https://review.opendev.org/657989 | 11:00 |
mgoddard | mnasiadka: ^ woop | 11:00 |
openstackgerrit | Mark Goddard proposed openstack/kolla stable/stein: Switch to RDO Stein release on CentOS & Oracle https://review.opendev.org/651601 | 11:01 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/kolla-ansible stable/rocky: Update log metrics config for Logstash downgrade https://review.opendev.org/656347 | 11:02 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/kolla-ansible stable/rocky: Enable Kibana if Monasca enabled https://review.opendev.org/656348 | 11:02 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/kolla-ansible stable/rocky: Call Grafana APIs only once https://review.opendev.org/657609 | 11:02 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/kolla-ansible stable/rocky: Find Monasca agent plugins locally https://review.opendev.org/657610 | 11:02 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/kolla-ansible stable/rocky: Fix issues obtaining Keystone token with Monasca Grafana https://review.opendev.org/657994 | 11:02 |
dougsz | ヽ(´▽`)/ | 11:05 |
openstackgerrit | Krzysztof Klimonda proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Allow disabling insecure API endpoints https://review.opendev.org/548407 | 11:06 |
openstackgerrit | Marcin Juszkiewicz proposed openstack/kolla master: Use packagecloud/ubuntu rabbitmq repo for all archs https://review.opendev.org/663300 | 11:06 |
hrw | dougsz: +2 | 11:08 |
hrw | mgoddard: guide +2+w | 11:09 |
mgoddard | hrw: ty | 11:09 |
mgoddard | dougsz: they all in? | 11:09 |
hrw | mgoddard: bumped review priority in two of my patches: rabbitmq above and py3 | 11:11 |
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hrw | want to finally get rid of py3 one and then the rest | 11:12 |
mgoddard | hrw: ok. will get to it :) | 11:12 |
hrw | and then do normal deploy instead of 'remember to pile patches, do build, switch to kolla-ansible, pile, do deploy' | 11:12 |
mgoddard | living the dream | 11:13 |
hrw | Switched to a new branch '20190605-py3-pile' | 11:14 |
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hrw | 2fc6591a (HEAD -> 20190605-py3-pile) grafana/aarch64: use package from upstream repositories | 11:18 |
hrw | e4954c1c Use packagecloud/ubuntu rabbitmq repo for all archs | 11:18 |
hrw | a121710e create missing apache2 directory on Debian/Ubuntu | 11:18 |
hrw | 8fdc184f Debian/Ubuntu: move to Python 3 for binary/source images | 11:18 |
hrw | 00475feb (origin/master, origin/HEAD, master) Merge "Ceph: Update to Nautilus on CentOS and OracleLinux" | 11:18 |
hrw | now I can build | 11:18 |
hrw | (venv3) 11:18 (0s) hrw@debian:kolla$ time ~/bin/docker-utils/kolla-build-images.sh 'ubuntu' 'source' '--push --registry 10.101.16.9:2000 ' 20190605-py3-pile | 11:18 |
hrw | and now have to wait | 11:18 |
mgoddard | hrw: the glamourous life of a build engineer | 11:21 |
hrw | yep | 11:21 |
hrw | next week OpenInfra Days Poland in Kraków | 11:24 |
hrw | and migration from 2x28x4 server to 1x46x1 one (sockets x cores x threads) | 11:25 |
hrw | wonder how it will impact build times ;d | 11:25 |
hrw | kolla builds are not that cpu bound anyway | 11:26 |
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priteau | I think I just ran into https://bugs.launchpad.net/kolla-ansible/+bug/1734872. There doesn't appear to be any fix for it yet? | 11:31 |
openstack | Launchpad bug 1734872 in kolla-ansible "Reconfigure of nova with changed DB or MQ hostname or password creates a duplicate cell" [Undecided,New] | 11:31 |
mgoddard | priteau: I'm not aware of one :( | 11:35 |
priteau | I'll look into it. | 11:35 |
openstackgerrit | Mark Goddard proposed openstack/kolla-ansible stable/stein: nova: Fix DBNotAllowed during compute startup https://review.opendev.org/663303 | 11:36 |
openstackgerrit | Mark Goddard proposed openstack/kolla-ansible stable/rocky: nova: Fix DBNotAllowed during compute startup https://review.opendev.org/663304 | 11:37 |
hrw | Tasks: 280, 1104 thr, 1848 kthr; 39 running Load average: 21.39 7.62 4.5 | 11:41 |
hrw | looks like normal build day | 11:42 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/kolla master: create missing apache2 directory on Debian/Ubuntu https://review.opendev.org/661713 | 11:48 |
hrw | one less to care | 11:48 |
openstackgerrit | Gaëtan Trellu proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Improve Qinling documentation https://review.opendev.org/663225 | 11:49 |
openstackgerrit | Gaëtan Trellu proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Improve Qinling documentation https://review.opendev.org/663225 | 11:50 |
openstackgerrit | Mark Goddard proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Add CI job for ironic https://review.opendev.org/568829 | 11:53 |
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openstackgerrit | Mark Goddard proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Add CI job for ironic https://review.opendev.org/568829 | 11:55 |
openstackgerrit | Gaëtan Trellu proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Improve Qinling documentation https://review.opendev.org/663225 | 11:57 |
hrw | and built. | 12:02 |
hrw | deploy time | 12:03 |
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kplant | would anyone recommend not pulling kolla-ansible from git and using a stable branch for production? instead of from pypi | 12:14 |
hrw | kplant: if you use proper branch then it should be safe. | 12:16 |
kplant | hrw: ty | 12:16 |
hrw | sometimes safer than pypi as may have bugfixes we did not yet released into pypi | 12:16 |
yoctozepto | kplant: I use stable branch for production (more like evaluation), rocky is stable now, stein is more wip | 12:17 |
hrw | just rememeber to keep same branch for image and deploy | 12:17 |
kklimonda | @mgoddard I just saw your emails regarding kayobe and planned removal of ceph from kolla-ansible - any plans on integrating ceph-ansible with kayobe? | 12:18 |
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dougsz | mgoddard: yeah, all in :) I will close the bug | 12:20 |
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yoctozepto | kklimonda: that would invalidate the project's name :-) | 12:23 |
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hrw | yoctozepto: no, it would not | 12:25 |
hrw | plug racks of hw, run kayobe, use. | 12:25 |
hrw | with operating system installed, ceph nodes installed, compute/control/etc nodes installed. | 12:26 |
yoctozepto | hrw: kayobe - kolla on bifrost, I see a need for name expansion | 12:26 |
hrw | I do not | 12:26 |
hrw | but that's first time I see expansion of name ;D | 12:26 |
kplant | k o b | 12:27 |
kplant | yoctozepto: you're saying the 'c' is missing? | 12:27 |
yoctozepto | kplant: exactly! | 12:27 |
yoctozepto | hrw: I like to learn etymologies | 12:28 |
hrw | kplant: with so many languages/dialects in use I stopped counting on pronounciations | 12:28 |
hrw | https://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2007/04/26/how-to-pronounce-haerwu/ | 12:28 |
hrw | /hʌ eə vʊ/ or /xa ɛə vuː/ or just 'h r w' using english letter names | 12:29 |
kplant | yeah.. that's a fair point | 12:31 |
kplant | i only knew kayobe was k-o-b because i read it somewhere | 12:31 |
kplant | definitely didn't reverse engineer that on my own | 12:31 |
yoctozepto | as did I | 12:32 |
yoctozepto | does not come to mind too quickly | 12:32 |
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mgoddard | kklimonda: yes, we would like to integrate ceph-ansible with kayobe | 12:38 |
kplant | mgoddard: are you aiming to run ceph in containers or just on metal? | 12:39 |
mgoddard | kklimonda: https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2004799 | 12:39 |
kplant | i didn't sink much time into it but i ran into a lot of dependency issues when trying to drop the ceph containers into docker deployed by kolla-ansible | 12:40 |
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mgoddard | kplant: we normally use bare metal. Ideally it would be configurable enough to choose either though | 12:41 |
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kplant | that's the route i took, ceph on metal and kolla-ansible with a python venv | 12:41 |
kplant | seems to be working fine (so far) | 12:41 |
kklimonda | yeah, we've gone the same way in our deployments so far | 12:42 |
kplant | ipco | 12:43 |
kplant | wrong window :| | 12:43 |
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openstackgerrit | Mark Goddard proposed openstack/kolla stable/stein: Ceph: Update to Nautilus on CentOS and OracleLinux https://review.opendev.org/663312 | 12:49 |
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hrw | ok, so who here is core@kayobe? | 13:00 |
openstackgerrit | Jason Anderson proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Support multi-region discovery of Nova cells https://review.opendev.org/663319 | 13:06 |
mgoddard | hrw: me, dougsz, jovial (not here), johnthetubaguy, priteau, ktibi | 13:07 |
hrw | mgoddard: thx | 13:07 |
hrw | mgoddard: one reason to merge kayobe as kolla/kayobe is to quickly enlarge core team ;D | 13:08 |
mgoddard | hrw: maybe, doesn't automatically mean they have extra review time though | 13:09 |
openstackgerrit | Jason Anderson proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Support multi-region discovery of Nova cells https://review.opendev.org/663319 | 13:09 |
hrw | yep | 13:09 |
openstackgerrit | Jason Anderson proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Hide logs when looping over passwords https://review.opendev.org/663321 | 13:10 |
dougsz | The thing I like most about kolla/kayobe is bringing the users from both projects closer together which should hopefully in turn benefit both projects. | 13:13 |
openstackgerrit | Jason Anderson proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Do not recreate Blazar DB if using preconfigured https://review.opendev.org/663322 | 13:14 |
openstackgerrit | Jason Anderson proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Allow overriding heat domain/user names https://review.opendev.org/663323 | 13:16 |
mgoddard | dougsz: I think that would be nice | 13:16 |
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openstackgerrit | Jason Anderson proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Fix Blazar Nova aggregate in multi-region setup https://review.opendev.org/663324 | 13:18 |
openstackgerrit | Mark Goddard proposed openstack/kolla stable/stein: Switch to RDO Stein release on CentOS & Oracle https://review.opendev.org/651601 | 13:20 |
openstackgerrit | Jason Anderson proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: [haproxy] Support interfaces with '-' chars https://review.opendev.org/663325 | 13:20 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/kolla-ansible master: Improve Qinling documentation https://review.opendev.org/663225 | 13:21 |
hrw | https://review.opendev.org/#/c/642375/ (py3) waits for cores | 13:21 |
openstackgerrit | Jason Anderson proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Don't skip creating nova DB user if DB exists https://review.opendev.org/663326 | 13:23 |
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priteau | ^^^ I asked Jason if he could push kolla fixes developed for the Chameleon testbed. There might be a little flood of patches from him today. | 13:24 |
openstackgerrit | Jason Anderson proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: [heat] Multi-region support for bootstrap https://review.opendev.org/663327 | 13:24 |
priteau | They have a multi-region cloud so may be seeing bugs that few others would have noticed | 13:25 |
mgoddard | priteau: thanks for encouraging sharing | 13:29 |
mgoddard | priteau: didn't think Chameleon was kolla-based though? | 13:30 |
priteau | They migrated to it a few months ago | 13:30 |
openstackgerrit | Jason Anderson proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Add blazar to fluentd aggregation https://review.opendev.org/663330 | 13:31 |
priteau | IIRC first RDO Ocata -> Kolla Ocata, then Kolla Ocata -> Kolla Rocky. | 13:31 |
hrw | nice | 13:31 |
mgoddard | that is nice | 13:31 |
hrw | I have a some kind of dejavu. | 13:32 |
hrw | 15 years ago I was OpenEmbedded developer. it was small project about building embedded distributions. no serious commercial use. few years passed and most of industry moved to it abandoning in-house solutions. | 13:33 |
hrw | now more and more projects migrate to kolla | 13:34 |
mgoddard | we're taking over the world | 13:38 |
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dougsz | hrw: cool, I have fond memories of OE + bitbake! | 13:39 |
hrw | dougsz: ;) | 13:40 |
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hrw | anyone familiar with EPMD and rabbitmq? | 13:45 |
hrw | if I remove ERL_EPMD_ADDRESS from rabbit-env.conf then rabbitmq container starts and works | 13:46 |
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mgoddard | hrw: that variable has been set and unset over time :) | 13:56 |
mgoddard | hrw: check git log -p | 13:56 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/kolla-ansible master: Remove unused [service_credentials] config sections https://review.opendev.org/662447 | 14:19 |
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hrw | D: | 14:24 |
mgoddard | hrw: I'm looking at your patch | 14:26 |
hrw | good | 14:27 |
hrw | mgoddard: releasenotes will be other patch | 14:27 |
mgoddard | hrw: quite a few places you've updated binary packages. Do we need to backport these to stein, or are they newly python3 for train? | 14:27 |
hrw | mgoddard: do not backport | 14:27 |
mgoddard | hrw: they were all python 2 in stein? | 14:28 |
hrw | mgoddard: py2 unless binary package depended on py3 then you got both | 14:28 |
hrw | mgoddard: UCA/stein was mix of py2/3 | 14:28 |
mgoddard | hrw: yes. We're still on UCA/stein though right? | 14:29 |
hrw | mgoddard: but will be on UCA/train | 14:29 |
hrw | mgoddard: I consider it to be too big patch to backport | 14:29 |
mgoddard | hrw: yes, but if we need these changes to make it work now, surely we also need them in stein? | 14:30 |
mgoddard | I don't mean the entire patch | 14:30 |
mgoddard | e.g. here: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/642375/25/docker/nova/nova-compute/Dockerfile.j2 | 14:30 |
mgoddard | the top changes are for binary - surely we need those in stein too? | 14:31 |
hrw | mgoddard: binary part is a cleanup as all ubuntu/debian binary/source images gets python3 from base. | 14:31 |
mgoddard | hrw: yes, but not all package deps get pulled in, so we specify some explicitly. If we have specified py2 packages they won't work | 14:31 |
hrw | mgoddard: to be honest: our binary images require review and cleanup. several of those 'extra' deps are already included in UCA packages | 14:33 |
hrw | and no one did review of UCA/stein ones | 14:35 |
hrw | ~curse openvswitch for it's requirement of another card | 14:35 |
mgoddard | hrw: e.g. http://paste.openstack.org/show/752534/ | 14:35 |
hrw | "and no one did review of UCA/stein ones" | 14:36 |
mgoddard | hrw: I don't think it's a big deal. We just need to split this patch up and backport the binary parts | 14:38 |
hrw | leave comments in patch please | 14:39 |
mgoddard | will do | 14:39 |
hrw | and next time I will stop at 10th revision and wait for serious reviews ;D | 14:41 |
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mgoddard | hrw: it's not a big job - git reset -p is your friend | 14:42 |
hrw | mgoddard: I am tired of that patch ;D | 14:42 |
mgoddard | hrw: yeah I know :) | 14:42 |
mgoddard | "he was not the hero they asked for. But he was the hero they needed" | 14:43 |
mgoddard | hrw: how about I do the split? | 14:44 |
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hrw | mgoddard: feel free. it is foss | 14:44 |
mgoddard | hrw: ok | 14:45 |
hrw | mgoddard: my ownership of patch ends once it gets outside of "my" machines | 14:45 |
mnasiadka | mgoddard: thanks for pushing the bloody ceph patch | 14:45 |
hrw | mnasiadka: thx for making it | 14:45 |
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hrw | ~curse ubuntu... | 14:48 |
hrw | apt install python3-ldappool == give me python 2 and python 3 | 14:49 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/kolla-ansible master: Spelling mistake in manila.conf.j2 https://review.opendev.org/662123 | 14:50 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/kolla-ansible stable/rocky: nova: Fix DBNotAllowed during compute startup https://review.opendev.org/663304 | 14:50 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/kolla-ansible stable/stein: nova: Fix DBNotAllowed during compute startup https://review.opendev.org/663303 | 14:50 |
mnasiadka | hrw: raise another bug :) | 14:51 |
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hrw | mnasiadka: will not be fixed in bionic anyway | 14:54 |
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mgoddard | ok team, first meeting in our channel! | 15:00 |
mgoddard | #startmeeting kolla | 15:00 |
openstack | Meeting started Wed Jun 5 15:00:41 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mgoddard. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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hrw | o/ | 15:00 |
openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kolla' | 15:00 |
rwellum | o/ | 15:00 |
chason | o/ | 15:00 |
scottsol | o/ | 15:01 |
jroll | \o | 15:01 |
mnasiadka | o/ | 15:01 |
priteau | \o | 15:01 |
mgoddard | I guess people like having the meeting in here then :) | 15:01 |
mgoddard | #topic agenda | 15:02 |
*** openstack changes topic to "agenda (Meeting topic: kolla)" | 15:02 | |
mgoddard | * Roll-call | 15:02 |
mgoddard | * Announcements | 15:02 |
mgoddard | ** IRC meetings now held in #openstack-kolla | 15:02 |
mgoddard | ** Virtual PTG summary email on openstack-discuss: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-May/006793.html | 15:02 |
mgoddard | ** Vote for Train cycle priorities: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-train-priorities | 15:02 |
mgoddard | ** Lots of emails on openstack-discuss for PTG follow ups. Please read and reply | 15:02 |
mgoddard | * Review action items from last meeting | 15:02 |
mgoddard | * Kolla whiteboard https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/KollaWhiteBoard | 15:02 |
mgoddard | * Stein release status | 15:02 |
mgoddard | #topic announcements | 15:02 |
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mgoddard | #info IRC meetings now held in #openstack-kolla | 15:02 |
mgoddard | #info Virtual PTG summary email on openstack-discuss: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-May/006793.html | 15:02 |
mgoddard | #info Vote for Train cycle priorities: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-train-priorities | 15:03 |
mgoddard | #info Lots of emails on openstack-discuss for PTG follow ups. Please read and reply | 15:03 |
mgoddard | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-May/006793.html | 15:03 |
mgoddard | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-June/006895.html | 15:03 |
mgoddard | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-June/006896.html | 15:03 |
mgoddard | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-June/006897.html | 15:04 |
mgoddard | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-June/006898.html | 15:04 |
mgoddard | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-June/006899.html | 15:04 |
mgoddard | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-June/006900.html | 15:04 |
mgoddard | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-June/006901.html | 15:04 |
mgoddard | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-June/006902.html | 15:04 |
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* hrw in two meetings at same time | 15:04 | |
mgoddard | I got a bit email happy. Some are requesting feedback, so please read and reply if it affects you | 15:05 |
hrw | mgoddard: thanks for doing it. | 15:05 |
mgoddard | np | 15:06 |
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mgoddard | #topic Review action items from last meeting | 15:06 |
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mgoddard | mgoddard to try again again to disable ocata publishing job | 15:06 |
mgoddard | mgoddard to investigate bifrost CI failures | 15:06 |
hrw | btw - ubuntu:18.04 binary images will have py2/py3 each time. python3-ldappool depends on both py2 and py3 ;( | 15:06 |
mgoddard | hrw: doh. Do we need to follow up with ubuntu? | 15:07 |
hrw | there will be point | 15:07 |
kklimonda | hrw what is the dependency path pulling python2 ? | 15:07 |
mgoddard | #action mgoddard to try again again to disable ocata publishing job | 15:07 |
mgoddard | didn't get around to it still | 15:07 |
hrw | python3-ldappool -> python3-pyldap -> python-ldap -> * -> python2 | 15:07 |
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kklimonda | ouch | 15:08 |
mgoddard | I did fix the bifrost jobs. They now only fail if they run on the OVH cloud | 15:08 |
kklimonda | and python3-pyldap is a transition package | 15:08 |
hrw | yep | 15:08 |
kklimonda | depending on how much we care about that, we could create a fake package that satisfies the dependency | 15:08 |
mgoddard | #topic Kolla whiteboard https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/KollaWhiteBoard | 15:08 |
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hrw | kklimonda: have an idea to fix it. but let go with agenda now | 15:09 |
mgoddard | CI mostly looking good | 15:10 |
mgoddard | still need this one to land to fix bifrost on rocky: https://review.opendev.org/661958 | 15:10 |
hrw | +2+2+w+z2 and not landed? | 15:11 |
hrw | ah. rocky | 15:11 |
mgoddard | oops, https://review.opendev.org/#/c/662029/ | 15:11 |
hrw | #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/662029/ | 15:11 |
mgoddard | thanks | 15:11 |
mgoddard | once we have train priorities we can add those to the whiteboard | 15:12 |
mnasiadka | Now it will land :) | 15:12 |
mgoddard | thanks | 15:12 |
mgoddard | anything else from the whiteboard? | 15:12 |
mgoddard | #topic Stein release status | 15:13 |
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mgoddard | thanks to mnasiadka we now have Ceph nautilus on centos \o/ | 15:13 |
mgoddard | the patch has been ported to stein, after which we should finally be able to use RDO Stein packages | 15:14 |
mgoddard | probably a few patches to merge at that point, then finally we'll have a stein release | 15:15 |
chason | mnasiadka, nice work, dude. :) | 15:15 |
mgoddard | anyone else know of any stein blocking issues at this point? | 15:15 |
hrw | kklimonda: https://pastebin.com/sXT52g6P should fix it | 15:15 |
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mgoddard | #topic Open discussion | 15:16 |
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mgoddard | Nice short on the formalities today | 15:16 |
kklimonda | @hrw ah, so no other binary packages actually depend on `python3-pyldap` itself? if so, then yeah - seems like it should work. | 15:16 |
mgoddard | kklimonda and scottsol I think you wanted to discuss TLS? | 15:16 |
mgoddard | and stackedsax if you're awake? | 15:17 |
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mnasiadka | I have a question around FFU - is anybody planning to work on that? | 15:17 |
scottsol | yes :) | 15:17 |
mgoddard | we can do py3 ldap first if you like kklimonda and hrw ? | 15:17 |
kklimonda | @mgoddard yeah, I'd like to talk a bit about that and see if we can come to an agreement on how to implement that | 15:17 |
kklimonda | either is fine with me | 15:17 |
mgoddard | hrw: any more to say on py3 ldap ubuntu? | 15:18 |
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hrw | mgoddard: py3 ldap? will see what can be done to solve it. | 15:18 |
mgoddard | ok. Let's move onto TLS first then FFU next | 15:19 |
kklimonda | @hrw if the patch you proposed doesn't work, we can use `equivs` to fake the package that is pulling python2 | 15:19 |
hrw | mgoddard: go for it | 15:19 |
mgoddard | I'll summarise the issue for people then we can discuss | 15:20 |
mgoddard | currently in k-a we don't use TLS on the internal API network, only the external network | 15:20 |
openstackgerrit | Alex Schultz proposed openstack/kolla master: Remove tripleo-ui https://review.opendev.org/662846 | 15:21 |
mgoddard | there is a patch that disables the internal network, using external+TLS everywhere | 15:21 |
mgoddard | #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/548407/ | 15:21 |
mgoddard | this was built for a specific environment, but some people still want split API networks, but with TLS on the internal network | 15:22 |
mgoddard | there are two ways proposed to do this | 15:23 |
mgoddard | 1. use haproxy to terminate TLS, forward TCP to localhost backend or TLS to a remote backend with haproxy in front | 15:24 |
mgoddard | 2. TLS from haproxy to the backends | 15:24 |
mgoddard | 2 can save an extra TLS hop, but requires OpenStack APIs to support TLS. We'd need to make them all use apache to do this (many do already) | 15:25 |
mgoddard | hopefully that's a reasonable overview | 15:25 |
mgoddard | scottsol, kklimonda - what are your thoughts? | 15:25 |
mgoddard | (or anyone else) | 15:26 |
jroll | data point: we're doing something similar to (1) - we deploy haproxy on each controller node outside of kolla. that haproxy only fronts the services running on localhost. we have an (octavia, but can be whatever) load balancer up front that points at each haproxy as a backend. | 15:26 |
scottsol | I guess a first good step would be to evaluate how many services are missing the support for wsgi modifications | 15:26 |
jroll | so LB --TLS--> haproxy --noTLS--> local service | 15:27 |
kklimonda | I've started working on the second approach in the beginning, focusing only on keystone first as that's a requirement for us. It feels more of a classical approach, while the first approach reminds me of sidecar pattern in kubernetes | 15:27 |
scottsol | we'd maybe have to deploy a new container to handle the ones that dont support it or use option 1 | 15:27 |
mgoddard | jroll: thanks, that's useful. 1. is like that but with kolla's haproxy providing both load balancer instances | 15:27 |
jroll | mgoddard: right :) | 15:28 |
jroll | re 2) all(?) openstack services should be able to be deployed as wsgi with apache/nginx/whatever in front, so it's doable. just need to do that work in kolla-ansible | 15:29 |
jroll | 2 seems ideal to me, it's a bit more flexible and less moving parts. just some extra work up front | 15:29 |
kklimonda | with second approach, we also have to work on distributing certs to all the nodes | 15:29 |
mgoddard | kklimonda: isn't that true in both cases? | 15:30 |
mgoddard | kklimonda: regardless of whether haproxy or apache is terminating TLS, it needs a cert | 15:30 |
kklimonda | mgoddard: with first approach we only need one (or three) certificate for haproxy. | 15:30 |
kklimonda | mgoddard: now, with services you'd probably need a certificate per host where the service is deployed, so that the IP/hostname matches? | 15:31 |
mgoddard | kklimonda: the cert needs to be valid not just on the VIP but on the host's IP. Or potentially we'd need separate certs | 15:31 |
kklimonda | yes, that would work | 15:32 |
mgoddard | kklimonda: because in 1. haproxy needs to listen on the host's IP, I think the problem is the same | 15:32 |
openstackgerrit | Jason Anderson proposed openstack/kolla master: Allow building images if parent was skipped https://review.opendev.org/629275 | 15:32 |
mgoddard | kklimonda: becase we can have two paths | 15:32 |
kklimonda | @mgoddard yes, you are right | 15:32 |
mgoddard | haproxy - TCP -> backend | 15:33 |
mgoddard | haproxy (VIP) - TLS -> haproxy (IP) - TCP -> backend | 15:33 |
kklimonda | so no difference on that front | 15:33 |
mgoddard | yeah | 15:33 |
kklimonda | with first approach we are adding an additional optional hop | 15:33 |
kklimonda | client->haproxy->remote haproxy->service | 15:34 |
kklimonda | but I wonder how much latency will that add | 15:34 |
mgoddard | scottsol makes a good point about assessing the existing support for apache | 15:34 |
kklimonda | mhm, I've assumed that all OS services have parity here, but that's a good point | 15:35 |
mgoddard | is that something you or stackedsax could pick up scottsol ? | 15:35 |
mgoddard | kklimonda: how far did you get with keystone? did you push a patch? | 15:36 |
scottsol | I will ask @stackedsax to do this | 15:36 |
stackedsax | yeah, I started looking into it. I got a provisional list of which services had support and which didn't | 15:36 |
mgoddard | great | 15:36 |
scottsol | oh hey stackedsax | 15:37 |
kklimonda | can you share it? We could just make a list of all services in kolla and go one by one | 15:37 |
stackedsax | hihi | 15:37 |
mgoddard | we could start an etherpad to track this stuff? | 15:37 |
scottsol | that sounds like a good idea | 15:37 |
mgoddard | #link http://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-internal-tls | 15:38 |
kklimonda | @mgoddard no, but I can push it - I'll that with how the existing patch merges internal and public endpoints | 15:38 |
kklimonda | @mgoddard I'll do it tomorrow and open a review | 15:38 |
mgoddard | kklimonda: that would be great - please add to the etherpad | 15:38 |
kklimonda | k | 15:38 |
mgoddard | stackedsax: could you add your list to the pad? | 15:39 |
* stackedsax rummages through his notes... | 15:39 | |
mgoddard | I've also added this feature to the whiteboard (https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/KollaWhiteBoard) | 15:41 |
mgoddard | everyone happy to move on? | 15:42 |
kklimonda | @mgoddard one last thing | 15:42 |
mgoddard | sure | 15:42 |
kklimonda | @mgoddard is the approach of "merging" internal, admin and public endpoints, by sharing same IP and certificate, ok? | 15:42 |
kklimonda | any reason that we'd like to keep them separate? | 15:43 |
mgoddard | kklimonda: I think scottsol and stackedsax have a use case to keep them separate | 15:43 |
mgoddard | kklimonda: which do you prefer? | 15:43 |
kklimonda | @mgoddard well, so far merging resulted less work, but if there is an usecase for separation then we should support that | 15:45 |
mgoddard | scottsol: stackedsax ? | 15:45 |
scottsol | we'd prefer to keep them separate if possible so that we don't have to send admin api traffic over a public vip | 15:45 |
mgoddard | it should still be possible to use a single network by not enabling the external network | 15:46 |
kklimonda | mhm, in that case I think it makes sense to keep support separate endpoints | 15:48 |
mgoddard | seems reasonable | 15:48 |
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mgoddard | it might be worth putting together a couple of paragraphs of design proposal for discussion once we've agreed on 1 or 2 | 15:50 |
scottsol | We could be convinced if it adds a massive overhead of work but I'd say for now we'd certainly prefer to keep the separation | 15:50 |
mgoddard | so we're all on the same page | 15:50 |
stackedsax | I added my list to the etherpad. Can I turn off authorship colors? I'm pleased with my magenta, but my eyes are also bleeding. | 15:50 |
kklimonda | you can change your color ;) | 15:51 |
kklimonda | or disable it alltogether in settings | 15:51 |
stackedsax | yeah, I was wondering whether y'all were fine with me turning off the colors for the moment | 15:52 |
stackedsax | or if you found it useful to keep track | 15:53 |
mgoddard | I don't mind too much, it can be useful | 15:53 |
priteau | I thought Etherpad colours were a personal setting | 15:54 |
mgoddard | just added a requirement not to break existing setups with a cert only for the VIP | 15:54 |
mgoddard | to do that the second leg of encryption would need to be optional | 15:54 |
stackedsax | priteau: you can turn them off altogether if you like | 15:54 |
stackedsax | I'll leave them on... for now :D | 15:54 |
mgoddard | good discussion, let's move onto FFU for mnasiadka | 15:55 |
mgoddard | #link https://review.opendev.org/614508 | 15:55 |
mgoddard | FFU spec by spsurya | 15:55 |
stackedsax | oh, one last little tidbit: I'd love for someone to go through my list with me and identify which services we should be focusing on. Doesn't have to be now, I'd just like to know who to ping. | 15:55 |
mgoddard | There was also https://review.opendev.org/619501, for stopping containers | 15:56 |
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mgoddard | stackedsax: that is quite related to our recent agreement to declare a level of support for each service | 15:57 |
scottsol | stackedsax I can help you with that | 15:57 |
mnasiadka | mgoddard: just wanted to know if somebody plans on working on it - previously it was mainly egonzalez | 15:57 |
mgoddard | mnasiadka: I'm not aware of anyone. egonzalez and spsurya were doing bits, but I don't think it was finished | 15:58 |
mnasiadka | mgoddard: it wasn’t | 15:58 |
mgoddard | mnasiadka: do you need it? | 15:58 |
mnasiadka | mgoddard: not particularly now ;) | 15:59 |
mgoddard | stackedsax: you can try 'grep -rn wsgi docker/' in kolla to see which are using apache/wsgi | 16:00 |
mnasiadka | mgoddard: also would be bad to see it abandoned - ai think egonzalez worked on this for some time | 16:00 |
stackedsax | mgoddard: will do | 16:01 |
stackedsax | scottsol: cool, will ping you offline from here | 16:01 |
mgoddard | mnasiadka: sure. If someone wants to pick it up that would be great | 16:01 |
mgoddard | mnasiadka: if you're looking for people to help you could ask the ML | 16:01 |
mnasiadka | mgoddard: will do | 16:01 |
mgoddard | would at least be interested to know what remains to be done | 16:02 |
mgoddard | ok, we're over time | 16:02 |
mgoddard | thanks everyone, some good discussion today | 16:02 |
mgoddard | #endmeeting | 16:02 |
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priteau | Are we planning to change endpoints from using a dedicated port for each service to using an URL prefix and use ports 80/443? cdent's comment on https://review.opendev.org/#/c/662164/ made me think about it | 16:05 |
priteau | That's how devstack is configured now | 16:05 |
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mgoddard | priteau: what are the benefits? | 16:11 |
priteau | Sometimes people have problems using the API if they are behind restrictive firewalls | 16:11 |
priteau | The Nova deploy guide still uses separate ports though | 16:14 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/kolla-ansible stable/rocky: Fix bifrost tests (Rocky) https://review.opendev.org/662029 | 16:14 |
mgoddard | could be a chunky change | 16:15 |
mgoddard | presumably the backends are still on separate ports? | 16:15 |
mgoddard | otherwise you'd need a single web server in front | 16:15 |
priteau | Turns out this is an old discussion (2015) in OpenStack: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-June/067147.html | 16:18 |
priteau | I suppose the easiest way to do this is to have haproxy remove the prefix and redirect to each backend using a different port | 16:21 |
openstackgerrit | Mark Goddard proposed openstack/kolla master: Debian/Ubuntu: move to Python 3 for source images https://review.opendev.org/642375 | 16:23 |
openstackgerrit | Mark Goddard proposed openstack/kolla master: Debian/Ubuntu: more python3 packages for binary https://review.opendev.org/663375 | 16:23 |
mgoddard | priteau: yes I think we'd need to do that | 16:24 |
priteau | Probably something to discuss with other deployment tools so we don't diverge too much | 16:26 |
jroll | I would love to do that thing | 16:29 |
jroll | the external haproxy I described above does similar, but routes based on hostname (compute.cloud.blah.com, network.cloud.blah.com, etc) | 16:29 |
jroll | we did hostname because the haproxy config was much easier, but a prefix is nicer :P | 16:30 |
priteau | yeah that's a variant approach | 16:30 |
jroll | and yes, we have the backends on separate ports | 16:30 |
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rouk | is there any openstack service that kolla prefrably supports ish that would handle like... burst resources to be allocated by random projects for a specific period of time? blazar isnt really the right idea. | 18:01 |
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priteau | rouk: Can you describe further your use case? Are you thinking of something like preemtible instances? | 18:30 |
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openstackgerrit | Pierre Riteau proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Avoid duplicating Nova cells https://review.opendev.org/663398 | 18:36 |
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hrw | mgoddard: looks like in-channel meeting was good idea | 19:10 |
rouk | priteau: say i have 200 users, they need the ability to claim resources into their personal projects, but i dont want them to be permanent allocations, as that will make the oversub really hard to control. | 19:24 |
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openstackgerrit | wes hayutin proposed openstack/kolla stable/stein: WIP: Fedora support for python3 package testing https://review.opendev.org/663409 | 19:39 |
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openstackgerrit | Jason Anderson proposed openstack/kolla master: [neutron] Do not migrate all subprojects https://review.opendev.org/663436 | 21:25 |
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openstackgerrit | Jason Anderson proposed openstack/kolla master: Add locals_base option https://review.opendev.org/663447 | 21:53 |
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