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| duonghq | morning guys | 01:11 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jeffrey Zhang proposed openstack/kolla master: Bump the package version number in kolla_toolbox iamge https://review.openstack.org/558139 | 01:42 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jeffrey Zhang proposed openstack/kolla-ansible stable/pike: Use a random keepalived router id in CI environment https://review.openstack.org/558144 | 02:27 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jeffrey Zhang proposed openstack/kolla stable/ocata: [DNM]prepare 4.0.4 release https://review.openstack.org/558146 | 02:38 |
| openstackgerrit | Jeffrey Zhang proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: [DNM]prepare 4.0.4 release https://review.openstack.org/558147 | 02:38 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/kolla-ansible stable/pike: [HyperV] Add pull and precheck actions to nova-hyperv role https://review.openstack.org/511226 | 04:23 |
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| openstackgerrit | caoyuan proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Add freezer-scheduler role https://review.openstack.org/548449 | 05:46 |
| openstackgerrit | caoyuan proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Add freezer-scheduler role https://review.openstack.org/548449 | 06:03 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jeffrey Zhang proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Implement ARA sqlite databases over http feature https://review.openstack.org/558157 | 06:16 |
| xinliang | Jeffrey4l: For https://review.openstack.org/557659 , why you delete other OS's jobs? | 06:21 |
| xinliang | A mistake? | 06:21 |
| Jeffrey4l | xinliang, just make the jobs run faster, and reduce the usage of ci resource. when the debian jobs is done, we can add the jobs back. :D | 06:22 |
| xinliang | Jeffrey4l: understood :) | 06:23 |
| Jeffrey4l | xinliang, seems the jobs blocked at "install ansible" task http://zuul.openstack.org/stream.html?uuid=444326da6062462c98c145e84642979e&logfile=console.log no idea why. | 06:23 |
| xinliang | One more question, why it is no need bindep role for other OS's ? | 06:24 |
| xinliang | Jeffrey4l: Maybe ubuntu-xenial-arm64 node has some problem. Will check that in the cloud. | 06:25 |
| Jeffrey4l | xinliang i guess this is a bug during migrate zuulv2 to v3. for other OS's, the packages may be installed already in the image. | 06:26 |
| openstackgerrit | Jeffrey Zhang proposed openstack/kolla master: Add kolla-build-debian-source job https://review.openstack.org/557659 | 06:28 |
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| xinliang | Jeffrey4l: Maybe they are in the image already , I haven't seen they are installed from the output log. | 06:29 |
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| Jeffrey4l | xinliang, i mean the packages are installed during image creating(disk-imagebuilder) | 06:30 |
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| xinliang | Jeffrey4l: yes, I got your meaning. | 06:31 |
| Jeffrey4l | xinliang, check this http://logs.openstack.org/39/558139/1/check/kolla-build-centos-binary/5f4b708/logs/rpm-qa.txt.gz | 06:31 |
| xinliang | Jeffrey4l: Check it for what? | 06:32 |
| Jeffrey4l | xinliang, http://logs.openstack.org/39/558139/1/check/kolla-build-ubuntu-source/f70a37a/logs/dpkg-l.txt.gz search the package installed in the VMs. some package are installed already. | 06:32 |
| xinliang | Jeffrey4l: it is the output before job running? | 06:34 |
| Jeffrey4l | xinliang, at the end of the job. i.e. in post stage. | 06:34 |
| xinliang | Jeffrey4l: can't see libffi-dev is installed. Not sure if it is need for amd64 ansible pip installation. | 06:36 |
| Jeffrey4l | yeah. it is weird :/ | 06:37 |
| xinliang | Jeffrey4l: So there is no need for Depends-On: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/557920/ ? | 06:38 |
| Jeffrey4l | and "ansible" should not required in kolla project. i removed that task. and pushed a new patch. | 06:38 |
| Jeffrey4l | i am not sure what that jos used for. let me check | 06:39 |
| Jeffrey4l | xinliang, it is used for project-config unittest https://github.com/openstack-infra/project-config/blob/master/zuul.d/projects.yaml#L850 | 06:47 |
| Jeffrey4l | i think it is unrelated. | 06:47 |
| xinliang | Jeffrey4l: ok, then I will abanton that patch. | 06:49 |
| Jeffrey4l | xinliang, here we go https://review.openstack.org/#/c/557659/ | 06:51 |
| Jeffrey4l | it raised some error when install docker-ce. | 06:51 |
| Jeffrey4l | http://logs.openstack.org/59/557659/4/check/kolla-build-debian-source/cac3fc5/job-output.txt.gz#_2018-04-02_06_47_21_221601 | 06:52 |
| xinliang | yes, no arm64 docker-ce pkg in the ubuntu repo | 06:53 |
| xinliang | oh, it attend to install from docker repo. But only amd64 one is set: sudo add-apt-repository 'deb [arch=amd64] https://download.docker.com/linux/ubuntu xenial stable' | 06:55 |
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| Jeffrey4l | you may need adjust the scripts now :D | 06:58 |
| xinliang | Jeffrey4l: ok, thanks Jeffrey for all the help | 07:00 |
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| Jeffrey4l | np. my pleasure :) | 07:02 |
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| yankcrime | Jeffrey4l: i've been trying to get someone else to take a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/534834/ for a while now | 07:57 |
| yankcrime | is there any chance you could do so? | 07:57 |
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| openstackgerrit | Tone Zhang proposed openstack/kolla master: Specification for allowing Kolla Ceph to deploy bluestore OSDs https://review.openstack.org/558172 | 08:03 |
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| Jeffrey4l | yankcrime, LGTM, but you may need resolve the merge conflict. | 08:47 |
| xinliang | Jeffrey4l: NOw is the error of no arm64 registery image, any idea? | 08:48 |
| xinliang | : http://logs.openstack.org/59/557659/5/experimental/kolla-build-debian-source-arm64/19f2836/job-output.txt.gz | 08:48 |
| Jeffrey4l | xinliang, how about build a arm64 registry and push it to hub.docker.com / | 08:50 |
| xinliang | ok, will talk to hrw about this, thanks. | 08:50 |
| Jeffrey4l | np. | 08:51 |
| openstackgerrit | Ravinder Kumar proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: fixing wrong designate producer image used in deploy https://review.openstack.org/558178 | 08:53 |
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| openstackgerrit | Nick Jones proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: [HAProxy] Allow extra options to be specified per listener https://review.openstack.org/534834 | 09:37 |
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| yankcrime | Jeffrey4l: done, for some reason the conflict didn't show up in my default browser | 09:44 |
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| yankcrime | Jeffrey4l: thanks :) | 09:50 |
| Jeffrey4l | np | 09:50 |
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| openstackgerrit | Vladislav Belogrudov proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Introduce variable to allow different DVR modes https://review.openstack.org/558191 | 11:15 |
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| openstackgerrit | Vladislav Belogrudov proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Introduce variable to allow different DVR modes https://review.openstack.org/558191 | 15:09 |
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| rwellum | Morning Jeffrey4l | 15:24 |
| Jeffrey4l | sup rwellum | 15:24 |
| rwellum | Hey there. I'm confused about one point you've brought up on the ML and the governance review. You've said that the technical stack for kolla-ansible and kolla-kubernets is quote: "**totally different**". Can you explain that? I'm arguing that they have more in common than not, but if I'm saying something different to you as PTL then I think I'm just confusing both the ML thread and the review. | 15:27 |
| Jeffrey4l | rwellum, what i meaning is the deploy tool. ansible vs k8s. them are totally different. it is not involved kolal(image) parted. | 15:28 |
| Jeffrey4l | there are fewer people are expert or good at there two tool ( ansible vs k8s) | 15:29 |
| rwellum | Ok I agree - the problem is as you can see, the community is quite confused about the breakdown of the kolla and kolla deliverables. | 15:30 |
| Jeffrey4l | there are two things i think now. we should not either break kolla into three independent projects or not do these for any deliverables. | 15:32 |
| Jeffrey4l | for kolla-k8s split, i think it is the time. the core group with kolla-core/kolla-ansible-core are totally different actually. | 15:33 |
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| Jeffrey4l | for kolla / kolla-ansible split, i don't think it is the time. we gain nothing expect management issue after the split. | 15:34 |
| rwellum | Aren't you contradicting yourself with those two statements? You're saying on one hand we shouldn't do it for any deliverable (includes kolla-k8s), then you are saying we should do it for kolla-k8s? | 15:35 |
| rwellum | I think it's pretty clear, if we split kolla-k8s out then it's a dead project shortly afterwards. We shouldn't sugar coat it around 'breaking the TC governance' etc. That's just delaying the inevitable imo. | 15:37 |
| Jeffrey4l | hrm, maybe i doesn't say clearly. i mean the community(or other guys) try to convince us to split 3 standalone team rather than 2. | 15:37 |
| rwellum | Yes I agree totally. sdake has explained this well too. | 15:38 |
| rwellum | I mean I agree we should split kolla and kolla-ansible. | 15:38 |
| rwellum | should NOT sorry | 15:39 |
| Jeffrey4l | ah we have a agreement on this. | 15:39 |
| Jeffrey4l | for kolla-k8s, it is hard for me to say which way is good. | 15:40 |
| Jeffrey4l | i thought split may bring new contributor. | 15:40 |
| sdake | a split of kolla-k8s will not bring contributors, it will likely kill kolla-kubernetes. The good news is the confusion around kolla-kubernetes (running openstack on kubernetes) and kolla-ansible (running openstack on baremetal) will be resolved | 15:42 |
| sdake | not sure keeping kolla-k8s in kolla governance will bring contributors, but I could be wrong - future filled with emotions - therefore hard to predict ;-) | 15:42 |
| sdake | here is where kolla-kubernetes stands | 15:43 |
| sdake | sbezverk has been quiet on the issue | 15:43 |
| sdake | kfox1111 has been quiet on the issue | 15:43 |
| sdake | I dont have time so have dropped off the kolla-kubernetes team | 15:43 |
| sdake | rwellum wishes to continue development if that is a viable option | 15:43 |
| sdake | gema wishes to continue development if a proper team can be formed | 15:43 |
| sdake | inc0 doesn't have time to contribute to kolla-kubernetes for a different set of reasons than I have | 15:44 |
| sdake | that is my understanding of where htings are | 15:44 |
| sdake | spsurya also seems interested | 15:44 |
| sdake | I want to point something out, for those that havne't been involved with kolla from the beginning | 15:44 |
| sdake | at one point, kolla was a 2.5 person project, barely alive | 15:45 |
| sdake | (it started with 10 people, but management at various companies feared it was a threat, so they pulled resources off) | 15:45 |
| sdake | that same shit happened with kolla-kuberne3tes | 15:45 |
| sdake | kolla made it out the other side - and gloriously I might add | 15:45 |
| Jeffrey4l | sdake, sound this happends on kolla/kolla-ansible ;( | 15:46 |
| sdake | not sure if that can e replicated with kolla-kubernetes - I can tell you it took all my energy and then some to make it happen | 15:46 |
| sdake | Jeffrey4l i dont follow sorry | 15:46 |
| sdake | could you clairfy | 15:46 |
| Jeffrey4l | hrm, some big company quit. bug ignore this. | 15:47 |
| sdake | yes, we have no control over who contributes and who doesn't | 15:47 |
| rwellum | It's a good summary Steve and accurate imo. | 15:47 |
| sdake | and itch scratching is a personal thing - or driven by personal focus + company payroll :) | 15:47 |
| Sukhdev_ | Folks stable/ocata release is broken. Can you please review this patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/557986/ | 15:48 |
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| rwellum | jascott went quiet too btw - I was hoping his work on a playbook would help | 15:50 |
| sdake | right jascott is helm core now and focused almost entirely on helm | 15:51 |
| sdake | you can't blame people for moving on to other things | 15:51 |
| sdake | its a coupling of company priorieties and personal interest | 15:51 |
| rwellum | So Jeffrey4l based on this would you agree that https://review.openstack.org/#/c/552531/ is probably not the correct approach? Or do you still want to pursue it this way? | 15:51 |
| rwellum | Yup sdake | 15:51 |
| Jeffrey4l | i think it depends on whole team member. which way do you think it more better? | 15:53 |
| rwellum | Both sdake and I think this will kill kolla-k8s. The correct way to do this is through a vote. Is the ML thread that vote? I don't know because I haven't been through this process. | 15:55 |
| Jeffrey4l | rwellum, we can ML for voting, just like nominate a new core member. or roll call vote on gerrit(i am not sure how to do this now) | 15:58 |
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| Jeffrey4l | Sukhdev_, done. | 15:58 |
| egonzalez | Agree on that, splitting k-k8s will kill it. I think there are two viable options: | 15:58 |
| sdake | rwellum Jeffrey4l a vote is absolutely required to add or remove a deliverable from kolla | 15:58 |
| egonzalez | 1- End k-k8s | 15:58 |
| sdake | Jeffrey4l the way to change this rollcall vote is via a change to our policies a(via arollcall vote) | 15:59 |
| egonzalez | 2- keep it under kolla governance with separate core team (like now) | 15:59 |
| Jeffrey4l | sdake, sorry, can not understand you last sentence. | 16:03 |
| sdake | Jeffrey4l if you want to end rollcall voting, it must be done via a rollcall vote | 16:04 |
| Jeffrey4l | egonzalez, yeah. | 16:04 |
| sdake | that is how our legal system in the US works (and voting in general) - in princple :) | 16:04 |
| Jeffrey4l | but the new contributors are still a key point. | 16:04 |
| Jeffrey4l | understood. thanks. | 16:04 |
| egonzalez | Yeah, thats an issue that cannot be resolved with governance, need a way to attract tech people | 16:05 |
| Sukhdev_ | Thank w | 16:06 |
| egonzalez | If someone is interested in keep the work to make it success, I wouldn't kill the project | 16:06 |
| egonzalez | But making clear that is a PoC or smth not near to a stable release, just to avoid confusion on users | 16:07 |
| sdake | egonzalez that should be implied by the fact that its not 1.0, bur that is not the case I fear :) | 16:08 |
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| rwellum | egonzalez: if you read up the thread a little, sdake points out who is interested in keeping kolla-k8s alive - it's slim pickings of course. | 16:21 |
| sdake | meeting - gotta run | 16:21 |
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| kbaegis | Hi all | 16:53 |
| kbaegis | Anyone here familiar with the differences between bsd and gnu style getopts? | 16:53 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/kolla stable/ocata: Use separate sudoers for ironic conductor modprobe https://review.openstack.org/557986 | 16:54 |
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| kbaegis | I had to setup my kolla-ansible script to use the gnu getopt rather than the default system version | 16:58 |
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| openstackgerrit | Andy Smith proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Update listener config file entry https://review.openstack.org/558243 | 17:27 |
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| harlowja | qq, has anyone gotten spice proxy working? | 23:20 |
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