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| Jeffrey4l | dmsimard, sound great. we will try to leverage that feature in kolla . | 00:24 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/kolla-ansible master: Fix panko database creation https://review.openstack.org/557334 | 01:28 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jeffrey Zhang proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Update ceph client.admin caps during upgrade https://review.openstack.org/547012 | 02:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jeffrey Zhang proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Update ceph client.admin caps during upgrade https://review.openstack.org/547012 | 02:10 |
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| spsurya | Jeffrey4l: you mean TODO should be like mock this instead of mox please help in clear my understanding | 02:25 |
| Jeffrey4l | spsurya, yes. | 02:26 |
| spsurya | Jeffrey4l: i also added py35 support info governance https://review.openstack.org/557863 | 02:26 |
| spsurya | you can check if that is ok | 02:26 |
| spsurya | kolla-ansible part is missing....i will add the same | 02:27 |
| Jeffrey4l | spsurya, i think we need support py3 in the image too. | 02:27 |
| spsurya | Jeffrey4l: IIUC we run the py35 job | 02:28 |
| spsurya | in image as well as deployment part | 02:29 |
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| Jeffrey4l | spsurya, no. i mean create py35 virtuanenv in image:/var/lib/kolla/venv | 02:29 |
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| spsurya | Jeffrey4l: thanks, i will check | 02:36 |
| Jeffrey4l | then openstack service could run on py35, i.e. nova-api run with py35, which is meaningful for kolla | 02:47 |
| openstackgerrit | Jeffrey Zhang proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Update ceph client.admin caps during upgrade https://review.openstack.org/547012 | 02:53 |
| openstackgerrit | Jeffrey Zhang proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: [wip] move glance keyring to kolla_ceph_keyring module https://review.openstack.org/557872 | 02:53 |
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| spsurya | Jeffrey4l: roger | 03:02 |
| openstackgerrit | Surya Prakash (spsurya) proposed openstack/kolla master: No use of mox/mox3 https://review.openstack.org/557151 | 03:06 |
| openstackgerrit | Jeffrey Zhang proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Update ceph client.admin caps during upgrade https://review.openstack.org/547012 | 03:08 |
| openstackgerrit | Jeffrey Zhang proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: [wip] move glance keyring to kolla_ceph_keyring module https://review.openstack.org/557872 | 03:08 |
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| caoyuan | hi guys, here have a ps about add freezer-scheduler into kolla-ansible please help review it, thanks https://review.openstack.org/#/c/548449/ | 03:21 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/kolla master: Add support for installing binary packages for senlin https://review.openstack.org/556690 | 03:28 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jeffrey Zhang proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: [wip] move glance keyring to kolla_ceph_keyring module https://review.openstack.org/557872 | 03:34 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jeffrey Zhang proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: [wip] move glance keyring to kolla_ceph_keyring module https://review.openstack.org/557872 | 04:11 |
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| sdake | evening folks | 07:59 |
| sdake | boy, Hamilton is such a great work of art | 08:00 |
| sdake | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nmqQlW-sMo | 08:00 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jeffrey Zhang proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Update ceph client.admin caps during upgrade https://review.openstack.org/547012 | 08:07 |
| ktibi | mandre, Hi, can you backport your fix into stable branch because failling gate is still present on stable branch ;) | 08:08 |
| ktibi | for ubuntu | 08:09 |
| openstackgerrit | Martin André proposed openstack/kolla stable/queens: Pin dh-python to earlier version to fix ubuntu gate https://review.openstack.org/557906 | 08:10 |
| mandre | ktibi: you're lucky to find me in front of the computer, today I'm off :) | 08:10 |
| ktibi | mandre, never off for kolla :D | 08:11 |
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| mandre | ktibi: we should be good with just the backport to stable/queens, the dh-python package deps look sane in http://ubuntu-cloud.archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/dists/xenial-updates/pike/main/binary-amd64/Packages | 08:15 |
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| ktibi | mandre, ok so works without patch on stable/pike ? | 08:31 |
| mandre | ktibi: correct, stable/pike shouldn't be affected | 08:31 |
| ktibi | mandre, thx ;) | 08:32 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/kolla-ansible master: Fix the novnc valid options for all.yml https://review.openstack.org/555229 | 10:14 |
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| zhubingbing | hi guys | 13:58 |
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| sdake | pbourke you around | 14:21 |
| pbourke | sdake: hey | 14:21 |
| sdake | what is your thinking on splitting kolla images and kolla ansible into two seprate projects with two ptls as proposed by thierry | 14:22 |
| pbourke | hmm, I scanned that mail alright but haven't had a chance to give it much thought yet | 14:22 |
| pbourke | let me re-read now | 14:22 |
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| pbourke | I think what he says makes sense yes | 14:27 |
| sdake | the implication is that the images would be cross-gated against tripleo and osh | 14:28 |
| pbourke | that can only be a good thing | 14:29 |
| sdake | who is going to do the work? | 14:30 |
| pbourke | I woudln't mind doing it | 14:32 |
| pbourke | if we decide its the way we want to go | 14:32 |
| sdake | your going to make gates for tripleo and osh in the kolla containers repo? | 14:32 |
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| sdake | think about the implications pbourke | 14:36 |
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| pbourke | im not committing to that no | 14:37 |
| sdake | that will be the expectation. | 14:37 |
| pbourke | well, that's not what I read from thierry's mail | 14:38 |
| sdake | we went through this once with fuel-ccp | 14:38 |
| sdake | t would encourage the Kolla team | 14:38 |
| sdake | to treat all consumers equally and test their images on those various | 14:38 |
| sdake | consumers equally. | 14:38 |
| sdake | "and test their images on those various consumers equally" | 14:39 |
| sdake | seems straightforward to me | 14:39 |
| sdake | we already do treat all consumers equally | 14:39 |
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| sdake | anyone is welcome to come along and add gates to kolla if they so chose | 14:39 |
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| pbourke | true, but I think its about perception | 14:40 |
| sdake | expand? | 14:40 |
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| pbourke | there's a perception that the images right now are designed to be used with kolla-ansible only, other teams can use them if they like but its not a priority for kolla | 14:41 |
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| sdake | we have bent over bckwards to maeke the images consumeable for tirpleo. | 14:42 |
| sdake | so I think that perception is unfounded | 14:42 |
| pbourke | it may well be | 14:42 |
| pbourke | as far as I know though the likes of tripleo have to hack things quite a bit | 14:47 |
| pbourke | maybe that's also incorrect | 14:47 |
| sdake | tripleo removes certain components because their downstream doesn't want to support the ansible implementation of kolla | 14:47 |
| sdake | beyond that, I'm not really clear what other changes they make | 14:48 |
| pbourke | right so the point sort of stands that right now kolla is not really consumer agnostic | 14:48 |
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| pbourke | we try to be where possible, but it could be better | 14:49 |
| sdake | no, that is not it at all pbourke | 14:49 |
| sdake | instead, features are removed so that kolla images cannot directly be consumed with kolla-ansible - this is a conscience business decision not a technical choice | 14:49 |
| pbourke | sdake: what do you see as been the major downside to having separate governence | 14:52 |
| pbourke | *being | 14:52 |
| sdake | loss of branding, loss of coherence in the team structure, loss of coherence in the implementation | 14:53 |
| sdake | this is much the same reason i was not keen to split the repositories | 14:54 |
| sdake | that decision led to this discussion | 14:54 |
| pbourke | well, the project as a whole has continued to grow since the split | 14:55 |
| sdake | i don't think there is a cause-effect relationshpi there | 14:55 |
| sdake | if there is, it certainly can't be proven that a non-split wouldn't have had a similar outcome | 14:56 |
| pbourke | I agree it cant be proven | 14:56 |
| pbourke | but I haven't seen many cons that make me think I wish we never split them | 14:56 |
| sdake | however, that side, now the core team is looking down the barrel of a full governance split | 14:56 |
| sdake | there was a good 12 months of churn that set development back as well just to make that split happen - although most of that pain has passed, that will forever live with us as lost tempo | 14:58 |
| sdake | that is a con that can't be argued. | 14:58 |
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| pbourke | fair | 15:00 |
| pbourke | sdake: have you seen any patches to the kolla images that are not from kolla-ansible consumers | 15:01 |
| mandre | hey guys | 15:01 |
| pbourke | i'd say I could count on one hand | 15:01 |
| sdake | pbourke yes - many from tripleo folks | 15:01 |
| mandre | pbourke: tripleo! | 15:01 |
| sdake | and we merge them rapidly | 15:01 |
| sdake | even though some of them are not optimal for kolla-ansible, they are merged in any regard as we are not a walled garden | 15:02 |
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| sdake | mornign mandre | 15:02 |
| pbourke | mandre: does tripleo consume kolla images directly or do you have a fork? | 15:02 |
| mandre | sdake: it's true reviewers do not make any difference from where the patch is originated, that's one good point for kolla | 15:02 |
| sdake | mandre which part of the world rey ou in these days | 15:02 |
| mandre | pbourke: we maintain an override file in tripleo | 15:03 |
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| pbourke | can I see? :) | 15:03 |
| sdake | mandre hae to admit, i find the override file a little obnoxious, but we haven't removed the override file nor intend to do so ;) | 15:04 |
| mandre | basically we add a few packages to the base image (puppet) so that we can generate the config files from within the containers | 15:04 |
| sdake | i've even personally approved reviews i philosophically disagreed with | 15:04 |
| pbourke | sdake: the jinja thing is kind of awful but a lifesaver at the same time | 15:04 |
| sdake | mandre there are also some packagfe replaements | 15:04 |
| sdake | mandre which makes the containers not unverviserally reusable | 15:04 |
| mandre | pbourke: oh and also we add some healthchecks | 15:04 |
| mandre | https://github.com/openstack/tripleo-common/blob/master/container-images/tripleo_kolla_template_overrides.j2 | 15:04 |
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| openstackgerrit | Carlos Goncalves proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Enable Octavia Horizon support on conditional https://review.openstack.org/557940 | 15:05 |
| mandre | from what I recall, the plan was to move the healthchecks to kolla proper | 15:05 |
| mandre | sdake: I'm in France atm :) | 15:05 |
| sdake | mandre up late? :) | 15:05 |
| mandre | sdake: it's just 5PM here | 15:06 |
| mandre | but Easter holiday, I shouldn't be in front of my computer :) | 15:07 |
| mandre | what Thierry proposed in his email resonates well with me, that's how I've been feeling the past year | 15:07 |
| pbourke | mandre: looks like without the healthcheck stuff your overrides would be quite minimal | 15:09 |
| pbourke | which is cool | 15:09 |
| mandre | pbourke: indeed, we're consumers of kolla, we want to remain as close as possible from it and move things upstream | 15:10 |
| pbourke | sdake: what if the same arguments were applied back when nova was split out into it's various component projects, is that a bad comparison? | 15:10 |
| pbourke | mandre: do you know if anyone in tripleo has evaluated loci? | 15:11 |
| mandre | frankly there is a lot of garbage in kolla images that is just remains of the combined repo days | 15:12 |
| mandre | pbourke: I've meant to look at loci as an alternative for a while now, but beside me I don't think anyone in tripleo has expressed interest in doing so | 15:13 |
| pbourke | they just haven't given you their sales pitch yet :p | 15:14 |
| mandre | they did! it's just that it's hard for me to find the time | 15:14 |
| sdake | ya, I guess I've missed the loci sales pitch too | 15:16 |
| sdake | pbourke it was split into various component projects, but under same governance | 15:16 |
| mandre | sdake: now that kolla images are more widely used, it doesn't make sense to call kolla-XXX projects "the reference implementation of kolla container images with XXX" | 15:20 |
| mandre | the idea is to recognize that all projects deploying kolla images are equals | 15:20 |
| sdake | mandre where do we do that? | 15:20 |
| pbourke | key word there is recognise | 15:20 |
| sdake | i dont have any problem with such recognitioin | 15:21 |
| mandre | sdake: I'm not saying we're making a difference today, I know that's not the case, but it's a question of perception | 15:21 |
| sdake | facts > perception | 15:21 |
| pbourke | sdake: people like you and me dont because we work with this stuff daily | 15:21 |
| sdake | if you want to fight perception, back it with facts in the documentaiton | 15:21 |
| pbourke | but people on the outside looking in dont have all this tribal knowledge | 15:22 |
| sdake | i just suggested a solution to that problem. | 15:22 |
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| mandre | sdake: good doc can never beat a project name | 15:23 |
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| mandre | just by having a project named kolla-ansible suggest that's the one blessed by kolla devs | 15:24 |
| sdake | the work overhead on such a drastic split is not worth imo | 15:24 |
| mandre | sdake: still... it's the right thing to do IMO | 15:24 |
| pbourke | I dont see cross projects gates as a requirement to split | 15:24 |
| pbourke | Im sure tripleo would be happy to help with that over time | 15:25 |
| sdake | its the wrong thinfg to do IMO | 15:25 |
| mandre | pbourke: absolutely, I can't speak for all tripleo devs, but I'd be happy to help setup more CI | 15:26 |
| pbourke | sdake: one thing I'll side with you on is that it could destabilise things. The operator side of me hates change for the sake of change | 15:26 |
| pbourke | if it was up to me noone would ever write another line of code :) | 15:27 |
| pbourke | but at the same time things have to evolve | 15:27 |
| mandre | I need to go, sorry, we can continue on the ML or here even... I'll read the logs | 15:29 |
| sdake | i've got other things to do atm, ttyl | 15:29 |
| sdake | mandre before i depart, would you rename kolla (the containers) to a different project? | 15:30 |
| sdake | and just rename kolla-ansible to kolla? | 15:30 |
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| sdake | boy - hamilton on lp rocks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-nmqQlW-sMo | 15:39 |
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| yankcrime | anyone around to take a look at: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/534834/ | 15:57 |
| yankcrime | ? | 15:57 |
| yankcrime | Jeffrey4l maybe? | 15:58 |
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| rwellum | sdake: you object to the the split because of the churn and the fact there's no-one to do the work? But not philosophically? | 16:47 |
| sdake | philosophicaly is a big word - could you pare that down a little bit into what you mean :) | 16:48 |
| rwellum | I mean whether or whether not kolla (images, tools) should be separated from deployment tools. Or you think it's a good idea, but too much churn, no enough bodies. | 16:50 |
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| sdake | rwellum I object on many fronts - I will expand on the mailing list when I so desire. | 17:39 |
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| sdake | I can say for certain it is not purely the churn/humans problem - although that is real | 17:40 |
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| openstackgerrit | LiHua Shen proposed openstack/kolla master: Add kolla install command to doc https://review.openstack.org/550855 | 18:06 |
| rwellum | sdake when you respond to the ML, can you also add your thoughts about kolla-k8s too? | 18:13 |
| sdake | which ones | 18:13 |
| sdake | i think the entire thread that theirry has brought up is orthogonal | 18:14 |
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| rwellum | Yeah true. Why I didn't answer. The original thread is concerning the 'sunsetting' of kolla-kubernetes. | 18:21 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sukhdev Kapur proposed openstack/kolla stable/ocata: Use separate sudoers for ironic conductor modprobe https://review.openstack.org/557986 | 19:07 |
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| Sukhdev | Folks, I cherry picked this patch to fix stable/ocata. Can you please review this so that we can fix the deployment of stable/ocata - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/557986/ | 19:10 |
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| openstackgerrit | Stanislaw Bogatkin proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Escalate privileges when copy fluentd custom config https://review.openstack.org/557998 | 20:58 |
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| Sukhdev | Pinging Kolla experts again for this - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/557986/ | 21:00 |
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