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| openstackgerrit | Serguei Bezverkhi proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes master: WIP Adding lioadm iscsi_helper support to master https://review.openstack.org/481690 | 00:22 |
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| openstackgerrit | zhouya proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Support assigning HA traffic to dedicated interface https://review.openstack.org/481503 | 01:08 |
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| sbezverk | inc0: man that tar archive is huge??? pulling every time 4GB even if it locally cached, still could be a hit for infrastructure | 01:18 |
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| kolla-slack | <inc0> @sbezverk well that's all the images kolla builds | 01:33 |
| kolla-slack | <inc0> kolla builds a lot of images | 01:34 |
| sbezverk | inc0: if these files will get extracted, I think we might run out of space in VM | 01:35 |
| kolla-slack | <inc0> nah | 01:35 |
| kolla-slack | <inc0> we do it every time we run gate in kolla-ansible | 01:35 |
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| sbezverk | inc0: ok it is good to know, thanks | 01:35 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jeffrey Zhang proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Pull cinder cephx keyring only when enable_cinder is true in nova https://review.openstack.org/481793 | 02:05 |
| openstackgerrit | zhongshengping proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes master: Switch from oslosphinx to openstackdocstheme https://review.openstack.org/483726 | 02:07 |
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| duonghq | inc0, do you have any more information from Vikram about our presentation? | 02:18 |
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| zhubingbing_ | hi guys | 02:29 |
| duonghq | zhubingbing_, hi | 02:29 |
| zhubingbing_ | Hi duonghq | 02:30 |
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| spsurya | morning all | 03:10 |
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| openstackgerrit | Tuan Luong-Anh proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Update URL home-page in documents according to document migration https://review.openstack.org/483770 | 03:38 |
| openstackgerrit | Tuan Luong-Anh proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes master: Update URL home-page in documents according to document migration https://review.openstack.org/483774 | 03:38 |
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| vhosakot_ | inc0: rwellum: I've submitted the "OpenStack images that fit your imagination - deep dive into container images in Kolla" talk. | 05:37 |
| vhosakot_ | inc0: duonghq: I've submitted the "Poke a Pike - upgrading OpenStack with Kolla" talk. | 05:37 |
| vhosakot_ | sbezverk: rwellum: thanks for adding me as a speaker for the "kolla-kubernetes installation workshop". Glad to help you with the kolla-k8s workshop. | 05:38 |
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| duonghq | spsurya, ping | 06:09 |
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| masber | good afternoon, I have a big problem where kolla-ansible deploy does not show any error but openstack cannot see my hypervisors, any idea? | 06:23 |
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| duonghq | masber, do you have log? | 06:23 |
| masber | duonghq, which log do you need? | 06:24 |
| duonghq | for "openstack cannot see your hypervisor: | 06:24 |
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| masber | duonghq, I may have but I am not sure which logs to see, I know that when I run openstack hypervisor list shows nothing and that openstack gives an error when I try to create an instances because there is no host available | 06:29 |
| masber | I just deployed openstack an hour ago and realised about this | 06:30 |
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| spsurya | duonghq: pong | 06:35 |
| duonghq | can you check nova-compute and nova-libvirt container's log? | 06:35 |
| spsurya | sup | 06:35 |
| duonghq | spsurya, should we submit the presetation? | 06:35 |
| duonghq | we always can edit the content until deadline | 06:36 |
| spsurya | yes i got the note from inco too | 06:36 |
| spsurya | i would be modifying the content little more | 06:36 |
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| duonghq | nice | 06:36 |
| spsurya | to look it more interesting | 06:36 |
| spsurya | just sent you the note too | 06:37 |
| spsurya | duonghq: BTW now i am trying find the log of OpenStack services on k8s cluster | 06:38 |
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| spsurya | attaching volume to instace is not showing in volume list | 06:39 |
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| spsurya | just debugging that | 06:39 |
| openstackgerrit | Jeffrey Zhang proposed openstack/kolla stable/ocata: Fix wrong extra name for glance_store https://review.openstack.org/482749 | 06:40 |
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| spsurya | duonghq: you can update the content too if find anything after note highlight | 06:58 |
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| duonghq | spsurya, roger | 07:04 |
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| openstackgerrit | zhouya proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Support assigning HA traffic to dedicated interface https://review.openstack.org/481503 | 07:09 |
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| masber | duonghq, sorry for the delay I was redeploying, these are the logs you requested http://paste.openstack.org/raw/615355/ | 07:16 |
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| duonghq | masber, got it | 07:18 |
| duonghq | masber, how about "openstack compute service list" | 07:19 |
| openstackgerrit | Matthias Runge proposed openstack/kolla master: Add collectd-disk plugin https://review.openstack.org/483444 | 07:19 |
| masber | duonghq, http://paste.openstack.org/show/615358/ | 07:24 |
| duonghq | masber, I have a meeting now, | 07:26 |
| duonghq | see you later | 07:26 |
| masber | ok, np | 07:27 |
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| jbadiapa | egonzalez, good morning | 08:07 |
| jbadiapa | egonzalez, everything is green on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/467219/18 and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/482528/5 | 08:08 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/kolla-ansible master: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/483803 | 08:09 |
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| vipulnayyar | I'm customizing Kolla images and would like to test them by running say, the horizon container in a standalone manner, without the help of the kolla ecosystem. Can someone pls guide, what should be the docker run command and arguments to start a horizon container from the edited image? | 08:49 |
| vipulnayyar | Right now, I've identified the horizon config images to be mounted to the container, but while starting httpd, it fails, saying no listening sockets available | 08:51 |
| duonghq | spsurya, I think we should submit our work soon | 08:51 |
| vipulnayyar | *config files | 08:51 |
| reidrac | vipulnayyar: I don't think you can run horizon isolated; it may need other containers to function | 08:51 |
| duonghq | masber, sorry, I don't have any idea | 08:51 |
| reidrac | or do you mean the req containers are running and you want to start horizon? | 08:52 |
| masber | duonghq, ok, thanks | 08:52 |
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| vipulnayyar | reidrac, I'll just point the Keystone url in horizon to an existing setup. In a bare metal environemnt or a vm, installing only httpd packages work well | 08:52 |
| reidrac | vipulnayyar: koll-anasible allows running deploy filtering with "tags"; you can check if there are tags for horizon and deploy it like that (?) | 08:53 |
| vipulnayyar | if you point it correctly to another keystone/openstack setup | 08:53 |
| reidrac | yes; there is an horizon tag | 08:54 |
| vipulnayyar | reidrac: I'm trying to edit container images based on our requirement, I want to keep the process of editing/testing image changes simple. If possible, don't want to depend on the kolla ecosystem. Possible to do this with only docker tools? | 08:55 |
| reidrac | it may work starting it like you're doning, but it depends on what ansible does when it deploys | 08:55 |
| reidrac | I mean; kolla-ansible knows what is required to start horizon | 08:55 |
| reidrac | I believe tags are for that; kolla-ansible deploy -t horizon | 08:56 |
| reidrac | that should perform the tasks required to deploy horizon; if you built your custom image, it will use it | 08:56 |
| vipulnayyar | reidrac: Thanks, I'll try doing that :-) | 08:56 |
| reidrac | vipulnayyar: you can git grep on kolla-ansible repo looking for tasks that will run when you filter by "horizon" tag | 08:57 |
| vipulnayyar | reidrac: yep, makes sense. Just wanted to know if those commands etc. are already present somewhere in developer docs | 08:58 |
| reidrac | but if the required containers are running already, it should be fine; ansible playbocks are idemponent :) | 08:58 |
| reidrac | vipulnayyar: good question; kolla-ansible -h will show you the options | 08:59 |
| reidrac | let me see if the docs mention this in detail | 08:59 |
| reidrac | vipulnayyar: I can't find it; it is standard ansible thing to use tags | 09:01 |
| vipulnayyar | reidrac: np, thanks a lot :-) | 09:01 |
| reidrac | I use it to deploy "just keystone" with -t haproxy,mariadb,keystone | 09:01 |
| reidrac | vipulnayyar: np! | 09:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | shaofeng cheng proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Add evaluation_interval option https://review.openstack.org/483870 | 09:04 |
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| spsurya | duonghq: roger | 09:05 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/kolla master: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/483802 | 09:19 |
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| sdake | morning | 11:34 |
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| spsurya | sdake: hi | 11:36 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/kolla master: Add collectd-disk plugin https://review.openstack.org/483444 | 12:03 |
| sdake | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-July/119696.html | 12:03 |
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| openstackgerrit | Zhaokun Fu proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: fix few arguments error https://review.openstack.org/483913 | 12:15 |
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| k_mouza | good afternoon all! I have a question on creating a custom horizon image. I've created a template-overrides.j2 file as described in the documentation and I've run the kolla-build command with it. The horizon image is successfully created and I can see my custom contents in it when I manually run docker run with that image. But when I do a kolla-deploy, the changes are not in the container. Am I missing something please? Thank | 15:26 |
| k_mouza | s! | 15:26 |
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| inc0 | good morning | 15:45 |
| kfox1111 | anyone remember where the k8s roadmap spredsheet is? | 15:45 |
| kfox1111 | inc0: morning | 15:46 |
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| inc0 | kfox1111: spreadsheet or etherpad? | 15:46 |
| kfox1111 | I don't think they have an etherpad? | 15:46 |
| inc0 | ahh | 15:46 |
| inc0 | k8s roadmap | 15:46 |
| inc0 | we had kolla-k8s roadmap | 15:46 |
| kfox1111 | found the 1.7... | 15:46 |
| kfox1111 | https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1IJSTd3MHorwUt8i492GQaKKuAFsZppauT4v1LJ91WHY/edit#gid=0 | 15:46 |
| inc0 | sry my bad | 15:46 |
| kfox1111 | I'm trying to figure out why the heck the mount namespace sharing thing isn't merged yet. | 15:47 |
| kfox1111 | and how to get it done. | 15:47 |
| kfox1111 | its really tieing my hands. :/ | 15:47 |
| kfox1111 | I'm stuck on one cluster now at k8s 1.4 and docker 1.9. :/ | 15:47 |
| kfox1111 | and there's some 1.7 features I really could benifit from. | 15:48 |
| kfox1111 | but 1.5+ doesn't support docker 1.9. | 15:48 |
| sbezverk | kfox1111: I thought you have made a custom fix for namespaces, it is not working? | 15:50 |
| inc0 | hmm, I wonder if mounting /var/lib/docker/image on nfs would work.. | 15:50 |
| sbezverk | inc0: just use pv/pvc and then place it on whatever backend you want.. | 15:51 |
| kfox1111 | sbezverk: yeah. I might have to go that route if they don't merge it for 1.8. :/ | 15:52 |
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| kfox1111 | was really hoping not to have to run somethign custom though. | 15:52 |
| kfox1111 | inc0: | 15:52 |
| kfox1111 | [openstack-dev] [TripleO] Let's use Ansible to deploy OpenStack services on Kubernetes | 15:52 |
| sbezverk | kfox1111: ;) you have change of heart ????? | 15:53 |
| kfox1111 | sbezverk: no, I made that 1.6 patched one as a way to test stuff before 1.8. | 15:53 |
| kfox1111 | its another matter if they force yet another delay to 1.9. :/ | 15:54 |
| sbezverk | kfox1111: I was referring to trippleo related message | 15:54 |
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| kfox1111 | inc0: they really really want to go reinvent wheel. :/ | 15:54 |
| kfox1111 | sbezverk: oh. | 15:54 |
| inc0 | kfox1111: grenade thrown | 15:55 |
| kfox1111 | sbezverk: no, was wondering why they think throwing out and reimplementing everythign is less complex then adding a helm dep. | 15:56 |
| inc0 | flaper87: ping | 15:57 |
| inc0 | EmilienM: | 15:57 |
| inc0 | guys, you really described kolla-kubernetes | 15:58 |
| sbezverk | kofx1111: I gues we do not have enough red in kolla-k8s | 15:58 |
| inc0 | deploying openstack on top of k8s with ansible playbooks is our current direction | 15:58 |
| kfox1111 | yeah. | 16:00 |
| kfox1111 | I think there is a lot of room here to collaborate. far more then seems on the surface. | 16:00 |
| inc0 | let's not make 7th openstack on k8s project please.. | 16:01 |
| kfox1111 | the vast majority of kolla-kubernetes is this stuff: | 16:02 |
| kfox1111 | https://github.com/tripleo-apb/ansible-role-k8s-keystone/blob/331f405bd3f7ad346d99e964538b5b27447a0ebf/provision-keystone-apb/tasks/main.yaml | 16:02 |
| kfox1111 | ^--- k8s objects. | 16:02 |
| kfox1111 | the kolla-kubernetes microservices are designed to be reused rather then needing a whole nother set in ansible. | 16:02 |
| inc0 | yeah that | 16:03 |
| kfox1111 | there's a lot of hard fought knowlege in the kolla-kubernetes objects that will have to be reimplmented all over again. | 16:03 |
| inc0 | all tripleo needs to do is write actual playbooks which are largery written already | 16:03 |
| kfox1111 | like, for example, I don't see keystone fernet rotation there. | 16:04 |
| k_mouza | inc0: good morning! I was wondering if you have any hints on an issue I posted about 40 mins ago. "good afternoon all! I have a question on creating a custom horizon image. I've created a template-overrides.j2 file as described in the documentation and I've run the kolla-build command with it. The horizon image is successfully created and I can see my custom contents in it when I manually run docker run with that image. But w | 16:05 |
| k_mouza | hen I do a kolla-deploy, the changes are not in the container. Am I missing something please? Thanks!" | 16:05 |
| k_mouza | any help will be much appreciated! | 16:05 |
| inc0 | k_mouza: multinode? | 16:05 |
| k_mouza | yup | 16:05 |
| inc0 | do kolla-ansible pull first | 16:06 |
| inc0 | because it won't download new image if old image is still present | 16:06 |
| inc0 | or delete old images | 16:06 |
| k_mouza | ah ok. I'll try that. Thanks! | 16:06 |
| k_mouza | inc0: after pull, do I just need to do a reconfigure? | 16:09 |
| inc0 | no, but upgrade may work;)_ | 16:10 |
| inc0 | reconfigure doesn't change images | 16:10 |
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| vhosakot | inc0: the pike has been poked! :) i've submitted both the talks | 16:17 |
| inc0 | I saw, thanks! | 16:17 |
| vhosakot | 3 talks per presenter limit this time | 16:17 |
| EmilienM | kfox1111: I don't think we want to re-invent any wheel here - and because we go in public to seek for collaboration I think it's not fair from you to say that | 16:19 |
| EmilienM | kfox1111: if we were re-inventing the wheel we would just have gone ahead and wrote our own software. | 16:20 |
| EmilienM | but that's not our methodology I think | 16:20 |
| inc0 | EmilienM: right, I guess that's just a bit soft spot for us, forgive us plz:( | 16:20 |
| inc0 | it's just...we already have bunch of work done | 16:21 |
| kfox1111 | EmilienM: we wrote the kolla-kubernetes archetecture specifically with sharing between distro tools in mind. | 16:21 |
| kfox1111 | thats why microservices/* exists in kolla-kubernetes | 16:21 |
| kfox1111 | and the major reason why openstack-helm exists. :/ | 16:21 |
| inc0 | and our current orch idea is ansible run inside container | 16:21 |
| kfox1111 | becuase they didn't agree with sharing with non helm folks. | 16:21 |
| EmilienM | that's great - I think we never said we wouldn't write everything new from scratch | 16:21 |
| EmilienM | I haven't seen anyone saying "we won't use kolla kubernetes" at some point | 16:22 |
| kfox1111 | ah. | 16:22 |
| EmilienM | Flavio has spent some time on exploring our options | 16:22 |
| inc0 | microservices are largery done, so ansible is missing (inprog https://review.openstack.org/#/c/473588/) | 16:22 |
| kfox1111 | I think its going to be a large amount of work to avoid using it though. | 16:22 |
| inc0 | I saw issue of helm, but let's discuss that | 16:23 |
| inc0 | we use helm just as a glorified templating engine | 16:23 |
| kfox1111 | yeah. pretty much. if you replaced helm with gotl engine, it would be about the same for microservices. | 16:23 |
| inc0 | or with ansible templating for that matter | 16:24 |
| kfox1111 | yeah, other then ansible's veriable substitution being a little different. :/ | 16:24 |
| kfox1111 | we alrady spent months porting from one to the other. :( | 16:24 |
| inc0 | yeah | 16:24 |
| inc0 | well, helm has it's benefits tho | 16:24 |
| kfox1111 | the whole idea of the microservice helm charts was to make one k8s object templatable. | 16:25 |
| kfox1111 | so that the orchestration system driving it could reuse the template. | 16:25 |
| kfox1111 | whether that be ansible, puppet, or whatever. | 16:25 |
| inc0 | still, EmilienM can we plese keep an open mind for cooperation here? We've spent a lot of time researching this thing and we have over a year of working experience on running openstack on k8s | 16:26 |
| inc0 | let's collaborate and create one great project rather than 2 half-functional | 16:26 |
| kfox1111 | EmilienM: yes please. we have spent a large amount of effort trying to ensure this would work well for you. | 16:26 |
| kfox1111 | I really want to deploy my production system some day with tripleo+kolla-kubernetes. | 16:27 |
| kfox1111 | we really did help spawn a competitors of ours just so we could support your use case. | 16:28 |
| jamesbenson | inc0: I've written up a document (separate page) for the networking and veth's. It's lengthy because it includes both ubuntu and RH | 16:28 |
| jamesbenson | wondering where you might want me to post it? | 16:28 |
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| sdake | kfox1111 i think fundamentally most peopple don't understand the microchart architecture | 16:29 |
| jamesbenson | ping kristian__ | 16:29 |
| sdake | kfox1111 when you ask someone like EmilienM or flaper87 to make a technical choice about it - they would need to understand it | 16:29 |
| inc0 | jamesbenson: sooo I think that would make good first "common use cases" | 16:30 |
| EmilienM | I'll repeat what I said already: we haven't made any choice now | 16:30 |
| inc0 | completely new doc section | 16:30 |
| sdake | EmilienM i didn't imply you had - sorry if you read that | 16:30 |
| EmilienM | Flavio has done some investigation for TripleO and is sharing the results | 16:30 |
| inc0 | EmilienM: ofc, we're not meaning to attack, sorry if it came out this way | 16:30 |
| kfox1111 | sdake: agreed. and I'm asking for further discussion on that. | 16:30 |
| EmilienM | I would love to re-use a maximum of things that were already done | 16:31 |
| EmilienM | inc0: no worries :) I know it's hot topic | 16:31 |
| sdake | microcharts are done | 16:31 |
| sdake | they are bulit with helm | 16:31 |
| inc0 | can we meet on ptg and discuss potential arch or agree to have things separated and where would be separation point? | 16:31 |
| kfox1111 | yeah. not meaing to sound like we're attacking. | 16:31 |
| sdake | there are about 170 of them | 16:31 |
| EmilienM | inc0: for sure | 16:31 |
| EmilienM | kfox1111: I know, there is no need to discuss about that | 16:31 |
| sdake | each of the 170 of them is a distinct step in deploying a basic compute kit + ironic | 16:31 |
| inc0 | to me, if we could join forces fully, that would be awesome and really step in good direction | 16:31 |
| jamesbenson | +1 | 16:32 |
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| inc0 | most of tripleo today would be orchestration, something we don't really have, what we do have is microcharts and service definition | 16:32 |
| sdake | the main reason we chose icrocharts vs one big super chart is that super charts can't be upgraded | 16:32 |
| inc0 | so there is potential to converge | 16:32 |
| EmilienM | the major thing I have in mind is a transition path from our tripleo/puppet/docker-cmd to tripleo/k8s - until we haven't a plan for that we won't take any choice. | 16:32 |
| EmilienM | and when I say transition, I mean "upgrades for operators that WORKS" | 16:33 |
| sdake | EmilienM I'd suggest implementing B, then brownfield migrating from A | 16:33 |
| kfox1111 | I plan on upgrading all my clouds from rdo out of containers to kolla-kubernetes managed pods. so the whole workflow around migration's got to work with microservices. we built for that use case. | 16:33 |
| sdake | whether you use kolla-kubernete sor not | 16:33 |
| EmilienM | I know Kolla upgrade work fine, etc I'm more concerned about TripleO at this point. | 16:33 |
| kfox1111 | EmilienM: agreed. your totally right in prioritizing that. | 16:34 |
| kfox1111 | EmilienM: and we totally want to ensure kolla-kubernetes objects are flexible enough for any migration path. | 16:34 |
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| EmilienM | I'm sure they are flexible | 16:34 |
| inc0 | EmilienM: way we made kolla-k8s is with brownfied in mind | 16:34 |
| inc0 | for us it would be brownfield migration | 16:35 |
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| kfox1111 | EmilienM: I guess I'm saying, if they aren't flexible enough, we'd love to make them so. | 16:35 |
| inc0 | a project on it's own, but we've spent a lot of time working towards it | 16:35 |
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| inc0 | brownfield migration with known and defined brownfield, I think we can make it work with our combined knowledge | 16:35 |
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| kfox1111 | EmilienM: if the issue is tripleo's not sure its flexible enough and that we're willing to take the needed changes, maybe some tripleo cores should become kolla-kubernetes cores? | 16:36 |
| EmilienM | once thing I would like to see is the configuration management without templates | 16:36 |
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| EmilienM | and AFIK Kolla still uses templates. | 16:36 |
| kfox1111 | we'd be happy to have closer input between the two projects. maybe that would be a way to ensure kolla-kubernets objects are up to the task? | 16:36 |
| kfox1111 | kolla-ansible yes, | 16:37 |
| inc0 | EmilienM: ansible, yes, k8s just uses ansible today because we didn't want to reimplement it | 16:37 |
| kfox1111 | kolla-kubernets can take configmaps totally without any templating. | 16:37 |
| inc0 | but in reality kolla-k8s still has this problem open | 16:37 |
| kfox1111 | again, we designed it that way for migration. | 16:37 |
| EmilienM | flaper87 and dhellmann have done some cool work to generate config directly with oslo.config | 16:37 |
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| kfox1111 | I have existing configs on my production system. I will just import them as configmaps. | 16:37 |
| EmilienM | by providing key/values (yaml) | 16:37 |
| inc0 | EmilienM: think of kolla-k8s as bunch of lego box today, we have nothing really to assemble them, but we have a lot of specialized blocks | 16:37 |
| kfox1111 | EmilienM: yeah. we've been following that oslo.config work. cool stuff. :) | 16:38 |
| EmilienM | kfox1111: great, configmaps is where we want to go as well I think | 16:38 |
| EmilienM | inc0: I see | 16:38 |
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| flaper87 | inc0: kfox1111 sdake it's late in EU so I'm not going to engage in this conversation too much. I do want to point out that, as usual, I asked for feedback and clarifications from everyone in my thread. I'm not trying to re-invent the wheel. That's my conclusion based on a research I did across the different tools there are. I can, of course, be wrong and I'd like you all to help us by providing | 16:38 |
| flaper87 | feedback | 16:38 |
| inc0 | so what that means we can very well assemble them in a tripleo manner | 16:38 |
| EmilienM | the thing we were wondering also is if we would be able to use kolla-kubernetes without Helm | 16:39 |
| flaper87 | I'm not asking you to pitch k-kubernetes but rather telling us where our research is flawed | 16:39 |
| inc0 | flaper87: sure, beers in Denver? | 16:39 |
| kbaegis | Anyone had issues where nova service-list doesn't return anything, and nova : Waiting for nova-compute service up times out? | 16:39 |
| flaper87 | inc0: fuck yeah? :D | 16:39 |
| EmilienM | beers? no. Gin tonics :-P | 16:39 |
| kfox1111 | EmilienM: you can think of the kolla-kubernetes microservice charts like the kolla containers. a set of building blocks you can reuse and configure however needed for your production system. you can use between 0 and 100% of them. | 16:39 |
| kbaegis | You guys are in Denver? | 16:39 |
| inc0 | EmilienM: well, again, helm is little more than templating engine | 16:39 |
| sdake | EmilienM lets start with that fundamental assumption - can kolla-kkubernetes be used without helm - why without helm? | 16:39 |
| kbaegis | Come to Fort Collins! New Belgium was born up here | 16:39 |
| EmilienM | kbaegis: no but we will be at PTG | 16:39 |
| inc0 | using it without helm woud be hard, but helm provides small overhead in way we use it | 16:39 |
| kfox1111 | flaper87: I think the reimplementation issue we're concerned about is this: | 16:39 |
| inc0 | kbaegis: September PTG | 16:40 |
| flaper87 | so, one thing I'd like to understand is whether it'd be possible to use kolla=kubernetes w/o helm, which is (probably?) the main issue I see for us | 16:40 |
| kfox1111 | https://github.com/tripleo-apb/ansible-role-k8s-keystone/blob/331f405bd3f7ad346d99e964538b5b27447a0ebf/provision-keystone-apb/tasks/main.yaml | 16:40 |
| flaper87 | kfox1111: won't be able to stay long on IRC | 16:40 |
| kfox1111 | there are k8s object code in there. | 16:40 |
| sdake | flaper87 mind expanding why no helm? | 16:40 |
| flaper87 | sorry | 16:40 |
| kfox1111 | flaper87: k. will try and keep it brief | 16:40 |
| kfox1111 | that contains k8s object code. | 16:40 |
| flaper87 | it's friday and I should prolly be drunk right now :P | 16:40 |
| kfox1111 | thats the reimplementation we're talking about. | 16:40 |
| inc0 | flaper87: how about you join us on next kolla meeting? | 16:40 |
| inc0 | or we join you on tripleo? | 16:41 |
| kfox1111 | the k8s objects themselves were a lot of work to get right. | 16:41 |
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| kfox1111 | all the volumes, volume mounts, security rules, init containers, etc. | 16:41 |
| inc0 | or we just schedule some irc time for us to discuss? | 16:41 |
| kfox1111 | +1 | 16:41 |
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| sdake | i'd just like to understand why no helm | 16:41 |
| EmilienM | inc0, kfox1111: we can def schedule it | 16:41 |
| kfox1111 | EmilienM: cool. thats probably better while half of us are underslept/undercafeened. :) | 16:42 |
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| inc0 | how about next kolla meeting? https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Kolla | 16:42 |
| EmilienM | afik, helm doesn’t have support for multi-tenancy | 16:42 |
| sdake | not accurate | 16:42 |
| sdake | a helm object can be created in any namespace of your choice | 16:42 |
| kfox1111 | EmilienM: kind of true, kind of not. | 16:42 |
| kfox1111 | k8s itself isn't multitenant. | 16:43 |
| kfox1111 | but kind of is, and getting better at it. | 16:43 |
| kfox1111 | you can run helm in a per namespace way if needed. | 16:43 |
| kfox1111 | you can also run helm without tiller and use the templating engine without the server. | 16:43 |
| inc0 | I've found this thing made by our mutual friend https://adam.younglogic.com/2017/05/start-helm-openshift/ | 16:43 |
| kfox1111 | which I might recommend for our use case. | 16:43 |
| openstackgerrit | Bertrand Lallau proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Remove warning during kolla_docker execution https://review.openstack.org/483544 | 16:44 |
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| EmilienM | I think we have multi tenancy with openshift | 16:44 |
| kfox1111 | inc0: oh, thats very interesting. :) | 16:44 |
| inc0 | yeah, we should grab Adam and figure out how much he knows;) | 16:45 |
| kfox1111 | +1 | 16:45 |
| inc0 | also, as kfox1111 said, way we use helm doesn't require tiller | 16:45 |
| sdake | EmilienM mulittenenacy the blocker for yu re helm or other things as well? | 16:45 |
| inc0 | which means helm is really just an templating engine for k8s resources | 16:45 |
| kfox1111 | EmilienM: there's a helm plugin, which I have asked to be put directly into helm that does templating on the client side rather then the server side. | 16:46 |
| kfox1111 | if tripleo asked for that plugin to merge, it might happen faster. | 16:46 |
| kfox1111 | so you do helm template kolla/keystone-fernet-rotation-job and it spits out the k8s object yamls. | 16:46 |
| inc0 | kfox1111: woudl that work with openstack.org hosted helm repo? | 16:47 |
| kfox1111 | inc0: yeah. as soon as its up. | 16:47 |
| kfox1111 | or wherever you map the kolla repo to. | 16:47 |
| inc0 | because if it does, then for most of use cases we could really do | 16:47 |
| sdake | until we understand the why behind "no helm" - i think figuring out workarounds and solutions is not going to do much good | 16:48 |
| kfox1111 | kolla-kubernetes microservises really are about being a lego building block db for o[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[D[Dpenstack on k8s objects. | 16:48 |
| sdake | it may be that helm just isn't a depednecy wanted in tripleo | 16:48 |
| inc0 | "here, this is config, run wget helm client (golang binary so no install needed), helm install tripleo-k8s/openstack | 16:48 |
| kfox1111 | helm can be done multitenant too by using a namespace service account with helm init --service-account default | 16:48 |
| inc0 | anyway, EmilienM flaper87 kolla meeting next week? | 16:49 |
| EmilienM | sdake: the other "blocker" we might have is the extra layer to maintain a tripleo stack | 16:49 |
| inc0 | we could start drafting talking points for PTG | 16:49 |
| EmilienM | inc0: let me check the TZ, i'm PST now | 16:49 |
| inc0 | 9am | 16:49 |
| inc0 | ;) | 16:49 |
| inc0 | I'm PST too, where you at? | 16:49 |
| EmilienM | perfect | 16:49 |
| sdake | EmilienM - have a look at this review | 16:49 |
| kfox1111 | I'm pst also. | 16:50 |
| EmilienM | inc0: I'm on an Island, you won't find me | 16:50 |
| flaper87 | sorry guys, can't engage right now | 16:50 |
| flaper87 | 9am PST is too late for me | 16:50 |
| inc0 | flaper87: 16utc | 16:50 |
| flaper87 | is that on Monday ? | 16:50 |
| inc0 | Wed | 16:50 |
| kfox1111 | yeah. lets talk more sometime flaper87 can make it. | 16:50 |
| sdake | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/473588/ | 16:50 |
| flaper87 | mmh, I'll try but that's a bit late | 16:50 |
| openstackgerrit | Juan Badia Payno proposed openstack/kolla master: Changed fluentd repository for CentOS/RHEL/Oraclelinux https://review.openstack.org/467219 | 16:51 |
| sdake | EmilienM - if you tke a look at that patch, that deploys (via ansible) the k8s microcharts | 16:51 |
| inc0 | flaper87: we can do it earlier, just on 7am I might be less-than active | 16:51 |
| sdake | EmilienM no extra layers required | 16:51 |
| flaper87 | ok, I'm out now! Thanks for understanding and providing feedback | 16:51 |
| inc0 | talk to you next week | 16:51 |
| flaper87 | and I apologize for not having tagged you in the subject | 16:51 |
| inc0 | have a fun weekend Flavio | 16:51 |
| EmilienM | inc0: we'll come to the meeting, no prob | 16:51 |
| kfox1111 | tl;dr though, I think we can mitigate most of the helm complexity issues. | 16:51 |
| flaper87 | I hope it didn't come through as me saying what to do rather than opening a discussion | 16:51 |
| flaper87 | discussion is what I want | 16:52 |
| flaper87 | :) | 16:52 |
| inc0 | and it is what you'll get | 16:52 |
| flaper87 | good | 16:52 |
| flaper87 | tty'all next week | 16:52 |
| EmilienM | I'll also invite some tripleo folks | 16:52 |
| inc0 | maybe ayoung would also like to join since he knows all the pieces a bit | 16:53 |
| vhosakot | anyone deployed NUMA with kolla recently? I need the output of few commands from the NUMA nodes please. | 16:53 |
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| vhosakot | I mean real NUMA, not fake NUMA ;) | 16:54 |
| kfox1111 | flaper87: no worries. have a good weekend. :) | 16:54 |
| kfox1111 | inc0: +1. | 16:54 |
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| EmilienM | inc0, sdake, kfox1111: I suggest to take a break now and postpone all discussion to next Wednesday - I created a calendar event with some folks from TripleO - we'll be there and we'll have productive discussions | 16:55 |
| inc0 | right | 16:56 |
| kfox1111 | EmilienM: sounds great. :) | 16:56 |
| kfox1111 | thanks for setting that up. | 16:56 |
| EmilienM | cool | 16:56 |
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| k_mouza | inc0: I've deleted all the old horizon images both from the local repository that I'm maintaining on the deployment node and from the controller node. I then did a kolla-ansible pull -i <inventory>, but the controller node still pulls the old Horizon image! Not sure where from... Is there a cache somewhere on the node? | 17:01 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/kolla-ansible master: Fix bandit tests directory https://review.openstack.org/481016 | 17:01 |
| inc0 | k_mouza: hmm...did you push new image?;) also do you have tags correct? | 17:02 |
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| k_mouza | tags are correct, I've checked them. And I should have push the image when I created it, unless if it failed and I didn't notice. I'll double check and let you know | 17:04 |
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| sbezverk | kfox1111: inc0: any progress on registry for master? | 17:24 |
| inc0 | sbezverk: what exactly do you mean? make registry for k8s or docker container with master registyr? | 17:24 |
| openstackgerrit | James Benson proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Add veth networking sections https://review.openstack.org/484006 | 17:25 |
| sbezverk | inc0: I need master images, for new gates jobs. You mentioned that I should use tarball | 17:25 |
| inc0 | yes, that's there, you can setup registry in gates | 17:25 |
| sbezverk | so I am looking for PS which gives me access to those images. In kolla-k8s gates? | 17:26 |
| inc0 | ah, want me to publish this to kolla-k8s? sure | 17:26 |
| inc0 | one issue tho | 17:27 |
| sbezverk | inc0: yep | 17:27 |
| inc0 | how do we install docker | 17:27 |
| inc0 | ? | 17:27 |
| sbezverk | inc0: we install docker as a part of gate bring up proceedure | 17:27 |
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| sbezverk | since our k8s run in the docker ;) | 17:27 |
| sbezverk | inc0: I thought you were going to build helm chart for registry, which we could deploy at the gate and then use it to serve images | 17:29 |
| sbezverk | did I misunderstand something? | 17:29 |
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| inc0 | so registry on k8s;) no no progress on that | 17:30 |
| inc0 | but I can make it work outside of k8s | 17:30 |
| inc0 | just a standing registry | 17:30 |
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| inc0 | anyway, I'll get you images;) | 17:31 |
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| sbezverk | inc0: no worries, I think having helm chart registry as a part of kolla-k8s is good and could be useful not only at the gate.. | 17:31 |
| inc0 | I agree, but also redundant once we have dockerhub piublisher | 17:32 |
| kristian__ | jamesbenson: Im here | 17:32 |
| inc0 | then you just download from dockerhub | 17:32 |
| jamesbenson | hey, can you tell me what you had for your 1 interface design? br0 and 2 veth's? | 17:32 |
| jamesbenson | or 3 veths? | 17:33 |
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| sbezverk | inc0: are you planing to push to dockerhub, every time where there is image change? | 17:33 |
| inc0 | sbezverk: every day | 17:34 |
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| kristian__ | jamesbenson: Im deploying openstack-ansible. To be honest, Im scared of manually creating bridges or messing around like that with networking | 17:34 |
| inc0 | so images will be quite fresh | 17:34 |
| sbezverk | inc0: ok, what is ETA for everyday publishing? | 17:34 |
| kristian__ | Im getting errors while deploying swift | 17:34 |
| vhosakot | ideally, we need to push once everyday, so the images will not be older than 24 hrs when pulled to deploy master. | 17:34 |
| inc0 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/475940/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/475469/ these two | 17:35 |
| inc0 | for now | 17:35 |
| inc0 | but really when we figure out secrets | 17:35 |
| kristian__ | jamesbenson: did you ever do openstack-ansible deployment? | 17:37 |
| jamesbenson | fair enough kristian__. It's not too bad, we try to automate it all so we don't think and repeat on anything. | 17:37 |
| sbezverk | inc0: ok I have already chart for registry, 80% done. I can push it for interim use until you guys are ready | 17:37 |
| jamesbenson | kristian__ nope, sorry | 17:37 |
| inc0 | sbezverk: I'm aiming to have this before ptg, I'm afraid we'll need zuulv3 for that | 17:37 |
| kristian__ | also if you can, in few hours I will be free and could you help me setup interfaces and deploy kolla onto the server? | 17:38 |
| jamesbenson | we thought about it, but decided docker would be better due to the ease of upgrades and speed of deployment... docker images vs code | 17:38 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/kolla-ansible master: Allow tmp path to download registry https://review.openstack.org/475940 | 17:38 |
| jamesbenson | sure if you want | 17:38 |
| inc0 | sbezverk: chart that will run registry which works with k8s? | 17:38 |
| sbezverk | inc0: no pressure but waiting for ptg is not in my plans ;) will do chart for now then.. | 17:38 |
| sbezverk | inc0: yes | 17:38 |
| jamesbenson | what time zone are you in kristian__? | 17:38 |
| kristian__ | thanks, I will ping you and we can have a pm | 17:38 |
| jamesbenson | k | 17:38 |
| inc0 | will it handle insecure registry? | 17:38 |
| inc0 | where will you get images from? | 17:39 |
| kristian__ | Europe/Bratislava (Current time 19:39) | 17:39 |
| sbezverk | yes, that is why it is 80% | 17:39 |
| jamesbenson | kristian__ do you have the images already built? or are you doing master? | 17:39 |
| sbezverk | 20% would be to add SSL | 17:39 |
| jamesbenson | boy, okay, almost bed time ;-) | 17:39 |
| kristian__ | No I dont, but I can build them | 17:39 |
| sbezverk | inc0: from openstacl.org | 17:39 |
| sbezverk | the link you gave me | 17:39 |
| jamesbenson | you may want to do that, what version are you thinking of deploying? | 17:39 |
| sbezverk | yesterday | 17:39 |
| kristian__ | 128gb ram 6 core xeon :D | 17:40 |
| inc0 | yes...but adding this to k8s won't be easy you know | 17:40 |
| jamesbenson | nice | 17:40 |
| kristian__ | ocata and upgrade to pike as soon as it releases | 17:40 |
| inc0 | you'd need to put contents of this tarball to volume on k8s.. | 17:40 |
| sbezverk | it is working in my local cluster | 17:40 |
| jamesbenson | okay, so 4.0.2 or 4.0.3 should work | 17:40 |
| kristian__ | also 1gbit connection | 17:40 |
| kristian__ | ok, also ubuntu 16.06 is the base | 17:40 |
| kristian__ | 16.04 | 17:40 |
| sbezverk | do not see any issues so far other than freaking 4GB trasfer | 17:40 |
| jamesbenson | 4.0.3 you can just download the tarball or 4.0.2, build | 17:41 |
| jamesbenson | eitherway is fine... | 17:41 |
| sbezverk | inc0: it will be run only for the time of gate job | 17:41 |
| sbezverk | within the same VM | 17:41 |
| inc0 | well, tarballs contains a registry | 17:41 |
| jamesbenson | I'm running 4.0.2 here (mostly without issue) | 17:41 |
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| kristian__ | Build will be better or no? | 17:41 |
| sdake | inc0 adding which to k8s | 17:41 |
| inc0 | sbezverk: we have multinode right?;) | 17:41 |
| kristian__ | also what source or binary? | 17:41 |
| jamesbenson | ubuntu, do source | 17:41 |
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| kristian__ | I did on my machine that had 3 nics :D | 17:42 |
| sbezverk | inc0: that part is easy with k8s services, also tested | 17:42 |
| sbezverk | even from outside | 17:42 |
| kristian__ | but now I have 1 and its in the cloud :( | 17:42 |
| jamesbenson | build will take a couple of hours | 17:42 |
| kristian__ | it wont, I had it on my gaming rig (the one with 3 nics) in 30-60 min | 17:43 |
| kristian__ | and thats 100mbit net | 17:43 |
| jamesbenson | nice | 17:43 |
| jamesbenson | ah, yeah, I do'nt have 128gb ram.. | 17:43 |
| kristian__ | so here should be very fast | 17:43 |
| jamesbenson | okay, well start the build :-) and see you when you are free | 17:44 |
| inc0 | well sbezverk let me know what you'll came up with;) | 17:44 |
| sbezverk | inc0: sure thing, even if it is not used later, we always can ask sdake to delete it ;) | 17:44 |
| kristian__ | jamesbenson: gonna do it for 4.0.3, ok? | 17:45 |
| sdake | Perfection is Achieved Not When There Is Nothing More to Add, But When There Is Nothing Left to Take Away | 17:45 |
| sdake | sbezverk ^ enjoy :) | 17:45 |
| kristian__ | 4.0.2 is tagged there so maybe that | 17:46 |
| sbezverk | sdake: you have already mentioned it so many times, that I have learned it by heart.. | 17:46 |
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| kristian__ | jamesbenson: so gonna start timed build of ubuntu source 4.0.2 | 17:47 |
| sdake | sbezverk how about "less is more?" | 17:48 |
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| sbezverk | sdake: this one is more fresh ;) | 17:48 |
| sdake | sbezverk how about: | 17:49 |
| sbezverk | but I have a guy in San Paulo, who keeps saying that all the time ;) | 17:49 |
| sdake | "Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch of genius — and a lot of courage — to move in the opposite direction." Albert Einstein | 17:49 |
| sbezverk | sdake: I am ok with being intelligent fool, ;) as long as it is intelligent.. | 17:50 |
| jamesbenson | "I would have written a shorter letter, but I did not have the time." Blaise Pascal | 17:50 |
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| kristian__ | jamesbenson: getting unknown error while building | 17:59 |
| jamesbenson | make sure you have 4.0.2 kolla and kolla-ansible installed | 17:59 |
| kristian__ | I have | 18:01 |
| jamesbenson | kristian__ http://paste.openstack.org/show/615420/ | 18:02 |
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| jamesbenson | working? | 18:04 |
| kristian__ | jamesbenson: gotta go | 18:04 |
| kristian__ | http://paste.openstack.org/show/615421/ | 18:04 |
| jamesbenson | k | 18:04 |
| kristian__ | need to logout | 18:04 |
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| jamesbenson | what version of docker are you running? | 18:05 |
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| inc0 | kfox1111: another idea I was playing some time ago | 18:21 |
| inc0 | if we'd have docker images in ceph | 18:21 |
| inc0 | and mount rbd share to /var/lib/docker/image | 18:21 |
| inc0 | you can get funny registry-less state;) | 18:22 |
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| openstackgerrit | James Benson proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Add veth networking sections https://review.openstack.org/484006 | 18:30 |
| jamesbenson | inc0 ^^ | 18:31 |
| jamesbenson | I'll add the 1 interface section once I can confirm it works with kristian__ and that setup | 18:32 |
| inc0 | jamesbenson: soo, we might need to provide some readable explanation what's happening;) | 18:37 |
| jamesbenson | lol, I ::suppose:: that makes sense ;-) | 18:37 |
| inc0 | btw plz don't include gplv3 code in Kolla;) | 18:38 |
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| inc0 | reviewed | 18:40 |
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| openstackgerrit | Serguei Bezverkhi proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes master: WIP Adding chart for docker registry https://review.openstack.org/484014 | 18:43 |
| sbezverk | inc0: please take a loot at that ^^^ | 18:44 |
| sbezverk | would be very interested to know what you think.. | 18:44 |
| inc0 | let me quickly show image I made | 18:45 |
| inc0 | I think it's more efficient | 18:45 |
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| inc0 | http://paste.openstack.org/show/615424/ | 18:45 |
| inc0 | notable differences, I use registry:2 image | 18:45 |
| inc0 | this one RUN block can be put into command of chart | 18:46 |
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| inc0 | but then spawning this pod will be...long | 18:47 |
| sbezverk | inc0: how containers will find it? | 18:47 |
| inc0 | what do you mean? | 18:47 |
| sbezverk | I mean we need to locate the url to pull images from | 18:48 |
| sbezverk | in kube cluster | 18:49 |
| inc0 | that's the fun part;) | 18:49 |
| inc0 | you'd need to make hosts work with kubernetes dns | 18:49 |
| sbezverk | inc0: well how about using k8s service and publish host external ip ;) ?? | 18:50 |
| sbezverk | inc0: I am here after k8s as native as possible solution | 18:50 |
| inc0 | that'd also work | 18:51 |
| sbezverk | what you suggest will work for both cases but it does not uses advntages of k8s | 18:51 |
| inc0 | what I'm saying is host has to access pod | 18:51 |
| sbezverk | inc0: ok, how do you want me to use what you pasted, for now all I see an image definition | 18:52 |
| inc0 | I have fun idea, nfs running on top of k8s that will be mounted to hosts /var/lib/docker/image | 18:52 |
| inc0 | and somehow wrap it in a way that when you do docker push to this pod, image becomes immedietly available for all k8s nodes | 18:53 |
| sbezverk | inc0: funny thing is that chart I pushed already does that without nfs, why you need nfs anyway?? | 18:54 |
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| openstackgerrit | Serguei Bezverkhi proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes master: WIP Adding chart for docker registry https://review.openstack.org/484014 | 18:58 |
| inc0 | sbezverk: well, it won't just work tho | 19:09 |
| sbezverk | inc0: could you clarify please | 19:09 |
| inc0 | you need either running your docker with --insecure-registry=ip-of-pod | 19:10 |
| inc0 | add ssl certs to both pod and hosts | 19:10 |
| inc0 | to enable secure registry on this ip | 19:10 |
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| inc0 | or have hack with running proxy in localhost of every k8s node that will handle ssl and point to pod | 19:11 |
| sbezverk | inc0: right that is why it is WIP :) | 19:11 |
| inc0 | it's hacky in all scenarios | 19:11 |
| inc0 | with nfs you can set it up on bootstrapping cluster | 19:11 |
| sbezverk | inc0: we define which registry to use in configuration | 19:12 |
| inc0 | but for docker to work with it you need above | 19:12 |
| sbezverk | so when kubelet will pull images they will go from local regsitry | 19:12 |
| inc0 | which won't work unless ^ ;) | 19:13 |
| inc0 | it's not about setting registry | 19:13 |
| inc0 | it's about docker daemons access to it | 19:13 |
| sdake | kfox1111 you around | 19:14 |
| sbezverk | inc0: right, since we install docker and kube I do not see why we cannot change docker service file, we do it for kubelet already | 19:14 |
| sbezverk | so it would not add more hackiness than already there | 19:15 |
| inc0 | well if you do it *after* deploying k8s it's going to wreack havoc across cluster | 19:15 |
| inc0 | since you need to restart docker for change to take effect | 19:15 |
| inc0 | in prod, yes yes it would | 19:15 |
| sbezverk | inc0: it is done right before the brining up the cluster | 19:15 |
| sbezverk | please check setup_kubernetes | 19:15 |
| inc0 | well I know how to do it today | 19:16 |
| inc0 | and frankly we don't need to run registry on k8s this way | 19:16 |
| inc0 | we can run it in native docker, no science required | 19:16 |
| inc0 | I'm thinking about prod scenario | 19:16 |
| kfox1111 | back. | 19:16 |
| kfox1111 | sdake: yeah. whats up? | 19:16 |
| sbezverk | inc0: I think serious prod will use already existing image storage | 19:17 |
| kfox1111 | sbezverk: I don't think we should be in the game of deploying k8s. | 19:17 |
| kfox1111 | which means working with what is already there. | 19:17 |
| sbezverk | kfox1111: agree | 19:17 |
| kfox1111 | so we need to work with defaulted docker security settings. | 19:18 |
| sbezverk | kfox1111: it is explicitly for the gate, can you take a look at above? https://review.openstack.org/484014 | 19:18 |
| sbezverk | kfox1111: and about insecure thing, I was just thinking as a first step | 19:19 |
| kfox1111 | sbezverk: like I said, there's an easier way around that. | 19:19 |
| kfox1111 | you need a svc for the deployment. | 19:19 |
| kfox1111 | just make it a nodePort type. | 19:19 |
| kfox1111 | then you can use localhost:<nodeport>/kolla/xxxxx | 19:19 |
| kfox1111 | shouldn't need to touch docker then, as localhost is always assumed insecure. | 19:20 |
| sbezverk | kfox1111: it is almost all in there ;) | 19:21 |
| kfox1111 | sbezverk: yeah. | 19:21 |
| sbezverk | kfox1111: the only problem of this solution is multinode | 19:21 |
| kfox1111 | just add a nodeport svc and your golden. | 19:21 |
| kfox1111 | it will work fine with multinode. | 19:22 |
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| sbezverk | kfox1111: if you want to access localhost, then how second node would access the registry? | 19:23 |
| kfox1111 | "nodeport svc" :) | 19:23 |
| kfox1111 | https://kubernetes.io/docs/concepts/services-networking/service/#type-nodeport | 19:23 |
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| * kfox1111 waves his hands | 19:24 | |
| kfox1111 | its magic. :) | 19:24 |
| kfox1111 | it binds the service to a port on all hosts. | 19:25 |
| openstackgerrit | Serguei Bezverkhi proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes master: WIP Adding chart for docker registry https://review.openstack.org/484014 | 19:25 |
| sbezverk | kfox1111: wow, did not know that it can be done with local host too.. | 19:26 |
| kfox1111 | yeah. :) | 19:26 |
| kfox1111 | its 0.0.0.0:<port> | 19:26 |
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| sbezverk | kfox1111: it is not 127.0.0.1? | 19:34 |
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| kfox1111 | sbezverk: should map to all ip's, including 127.0.0.1. | 19:34 |
| kristian__ | maybe docker-py isnt installed. Gonna look at it | 19:35 |
| sbezverk | kfox1111: ok then it is not localhost by wildcard. I got you.. | 19:35 |
| kristian__ | it is installed | 19:37 |
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| kristian__ | needed to reinstall it | 19:37 |
| kristian__ | jamesbenson: starting the build and timing it | 19:39 |
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| jamesbenson | lol, okay | 19:39 |
| jamesbenson | good luck ;-) | 19:39 |
| kristian__ | thx, will ping you later | 19:39 |
| kristian__ | the server is mostly empty, so building will be fast | 19:39 |
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| kristian__ | or should be :D | 19:40 |
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| openstackgerrit | Serguei Bezverkhi proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes master: WIP Adding chart for docker registry https://review.openstack.org/484014 | 19:47 |
| sbezverk | kfox1111: I tried to use new init-containers: looks much cleaner than with annotations | 19:48 |
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| kfox1111 | sbezverk: I think you need to drop the externalip entirely. | 19:53 |
| kfox1111 | NodePort alone should handle it. | 19:54 |
| kfox1111 | sbezverk: cool. :) | 19:54 |
| kfox1111 | I sooo want to get to 1.6+ on my own system. :/ | 19:54 |
| sbezverk | kfox1111: will drop it during next run.. thanks for suggestions :) ! | 19:55 |
| kfox1111 | np. :) | 19:55 |
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| openstackgerrit | Serguei Bezverkhi proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes master: WIP Adding chart for docker registry https://review.openstack.org/484014 | 20:07 |
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| openstackgerrit | Serguei Bezverkhi proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes master: WIP Adding chart for docker registry https://review.openstack.org/484014 | 20:36 |
| openstackgerrit | James Benson proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Add veth networking sections https://review.openstack.org/484006 | 20:49 |
| kristian__ | jamesbenson: do you know how many images are there total? | 20:52 |
| jamesbenson | a lot. | 20:52 |
| jamesbenson | lol | 20:52 |
| kristian__ | can we in the mean time setup networking? | 20:53 |
| kristian__ | on pm | 20:53 |
| openstackgerrit | Serguei Bezverkhi proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes master: WIP Adding chart for docker registry https://review.openstack.org/484014 | 20:54 |
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| sbezverk | kfox1111: in your opinion, what would be acceptable time delay introduced by copying 4GB image tar archive and then expanding it in the container? | 21:10 |
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| kfox1111 | sbezverk: heh. depends on if your on a 33.6 modem or not. :) | 21:51 |
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| kfox1111 | at that small a size, I might just speed it up too by extracting as its downloading. | 21:52 |
| kfox1111 | curl .... | tar -xvf - ... | 21:53 |
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| inc0 | sooo | 21:57 |
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| inc0 | when I mounted share on /var/lib/docker/image and /var/lib/docker/overlay2 | 21:58 |
| inc0 | if I pull image on container one | 21:58 |
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| inc0 | on host one | 21:58 |
| inc0 | host 2 will see it...after you restart docker | 21:58 |
| inc0 | so docker probably keeps cache of images internally somewhere | 21:58 |
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| kfox1111 | uh.... | 22:04 |
| kfox1111 | I don't think sharing that directory is a supported option. | 22:04 |
| kfox1111 | unless you find a document from docker inc saying its ok, I'd assume "there be draggons" | 22:05 |
| inc0 | oh there totally be dragons | 22:05 |
| inc0 | and other uglies | 22:06 |
| inc0 | I'm doing this for science | 22:06 |
| inc0 | it would be damn cool if you could share images in cluster tho | 22:06 |
| inc0 | ceph cow snapshot for example | 22:07 |
| inc0 | much like vms do | 22:07 |
| kfox1111 | alright, but if the dragon bites your face off, don't come crying to me. ;) | 22:07 |
| inc0 | I'm playing with this idee fixe of image sharing | 22:08 |
| inc0 | across cluster | 22:08 |
| inc0 | next step would me make torrent-based image distribution | 22:08 |
| kfox1111 | (I actually think shared nothing is better actually. it should scale better ultimately) | 22:08 |
| kfox1111 | thats easier.... | 22:09 |
| kfox1111 | bittorrent | docker import :) | 22:09 |
| inc0 | yeah kinda | 22:09 |
| kfox1111 | and less dragons. | 22:09 |
| inc0 | if you could hook this up to your k8s | 22:10 |
| inc0 | image: torrent:/magnet-link-for-img | 22:10 |
| kfox1111 | well... there maybe an even better way to do it.... | 22:10 |
| kfox1111 | consider the daemonset... it lands a pod on every node... | 22:11 |
| kfox1111 | what if the pod in the daemonset was both the image you wanted and could share itself out? :) | 22:12 |
| kfox1111 | and there was a service that pointed to the daemonset? | 22:12 |
| kfox1111 | like a Quine | 22:12 |
| kfox1111 | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quine_(computing) | 22:13 |
| kfox1111 | you'd only have to seed one machine with it and the rest woudl seed themselves. :) | 22:13 |
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| kfox1111 | I think its getting late on a friday for thinking... :) | 22:14 |
| inc0 | friday ideas are best ideas | 22:14 |
| inc0 | but bitorrent | docker import is a good idea! | 22:14 |
| inc0 | for massively scaled | 22:14 |
| kfox1111 | the daemonset idea uses k8s itself as bittorrent. :) | 22:15 |
| kfox1111 | the more pods come online, the more it has to pull from. | 22:15 |
| kfox1111 | they start up, start serving, and join the collective to serve to others. :) | 22:16 |
| inc0 | yeah, but you'd need to pull from them | 22:16 |
| kfox1111 | you launch the first one as a single pod. | 22:16 |
| inc0 | as in, pod with images that and hook in k8s to import | 22:16 |
| iniazi | Hey guys... trying to understand the difference between the three main kolla projects (main, ansible and k8s)... if using kolla ansible, it uses k8s to deploy docker? or is kolla-ansible and kolla-k8s different ways of deploying and mutually exclusive? | 22:19 |
| inc0 | iniazi: deployment has 2 phases - build and deploy | 22:19 |
| inc0 | build means to create docker images | 22:20 |
| inc0 | and that's Kolla | 22:20 |
| inc0 | and then you want to deploy them | 22:20 |
| inc0 | you have 2 alternatives there | 22:20 |
| iniazi | ok. yeah, so either you use ansible or k8s to deploy? | 22:20 |
| inc0 | ansible is prescriptive (I want my nova-api to land on this node) | 22:20 |
| inc0 | yes | 22:20 |
| inc0 | k8s is "just run me 3 of nova-apis, I don't care) | 22:20 |
| inc0 | ansible is much more mature tho | 22:21 |
| inc0 | and more....familiar to operator | 22:21 |
| kfox1111 | kolla repo really shoudl be called kolla-containers. its the source for the docker containers. | 22:21 |
| inc0 | as it uses kolla images as packages really | 22:21 |
| inc0 | yeah | 22:21 |
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| kfox1111 | the other two are deployment tools. one using ansible, the other k8s. they both share kolla containers. | 22:21 |
| kfox1111 | but are otherwise independent. | 22:22 |
| iniazi | ok, perfect, thanks so much. that explains it much better. I was trying to google, and couldn't get it in my dense head. getting too old. :) | 22:22 |
| inc0 | iniazi: well, we did split in october | 22:22 |
| inc0 | so it's relatively young division | 22:22 |
| inc0 | good thing that you've joined it and ask;) | 22:22 |
| iniazi | also thanks for the comment about it being mature. I was also trying to figure that out, so something that I may have better luck with. I'm using centos 7.x btw, did an openstack install in newton, but had issues. so I want to avoid doing it manually, | 22:23 |
| inc0 | yeah, kolla-k8s is still in the works reallyu | 22:24 |
| iniazi | sorry, i meant I installed newton manually, got everything setup, but couldn't deploy vms. so I scrapped that install... | 22:24 |
| inc0 | kolla-ansible is prod and ready | 22:24 |
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| inc0 | proven and working:) | 22:24 |
| inc0 | one note tho | 22:24 |
| inc0 | if you're looking at newton, you won't find kolla-ansible for newton:) | 22:25 |
| inc0 | it was all kolla then and ansible playbooks were in asnible dir | 22:25 |
| iniazi | cool yeah. I'm going to see if I can atleast start to configure and maybe even try to deploy kolla-ansible today. my old machines (manually managed old skool xen hosts) are dying... | 22:25 |
| iniazi | no, I'm using ocata... or are you hinting the other way... i.e. older? | 22:25 |
| inc0 | no, ocata is what I'd go for | 22:25 |
| iniazi | cool. i finally got ceph installed and working. that was a pain. mainly because I made it a pain (was trying to use existing built hosts which were using mbr partitoins)... had to convert the partitions to gpt remotely, and repartiion and resize md raid to fit ceph osds. :) | 22:27 |
| iniazi | its not an ideal config (shared osd with computes), but want to get openstack working. and then I'll deploy a few osd only nodes | 22:27 |
| iniazi | but thats a ceph consideration and offtopic. :) | 22:27 |
| inc0 | well, you know that kolla-ansible is capable of deploying ceph too right?;) | 22:28 |
| inc0 | but since you already have it, you can just use what you have | 22:28 |
| inc0 | https://docs.openstack.org/kolla-ansible/latest/external-ceph-guide.html | 22:28 |
| iniazi | well, I'm putting osd on a partition which already has os (like I said not ideal), wasn't sure if kolla would maybe delete those or not.. | 22:28 |
| inc0 | this is how you do it | 22:28 |
| inc0 | yeah that would be pain | 22:29 |
| iniazi | so I wanted to make sure I didn't break my hosts. since Its a pain to drive to the datacenter etc., wanted to get as much done remotely. don't want to break a system and then have to drive there to reinstall os etc | 22:29 |
| inc0 | lol | 22:30 |
| inc0 | good thing about kolla in this space is we try to touch nodes as little as possible | 22:30 |
| inc0 | and nearly all of "touching" is done in kolla-ansible boostrap-servers | 22:30 |
| inc0 | playbook that install docker daemon and stuff | 22:30 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/kolla master: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/484064 | 23:03 |
| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/kolla-ansible master: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/484065 | 23:03 |
| sbezverk | kfox1111: at the gate curling tar and then expanding it, takes 7 minutes.. | 23:08 |
| kfox1111 | fun. | 23:08 |
| openstackgerrit | Serguei Bezverkhi proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes master: WIP Adding chart for docker registry https://review.openstack.org/484014 | 23:08 |
| kfox1111 | I'd expect better doing it on the fly. | 23:08 |
| kfox1111 | less memory/disk disruption. | 23:09 |
| kfox1111 | hmm.... thats about 10mb/s. | 23:09 |
| kfox1111 | wonder if thats network bandwidth limited or disk io limited. | 23:10 |
| kfox1111 | I'd guess the latter. | 23:10 |
| sbezverk | most likely disk | 23:10 |
| kfox1111 | I'd still try it curl ... | tar -xvf - | 23:10 |
| kfox1111 | will eliminate doublehandling a lot of stuff. | 23:10 |
| sbezverk | it will not change much, because it will not fit into memory, it is 4gb so still disk access will be required | 23:11 |
| kfox1111 | thats the point. it doesn't have to fit on memory or disk. | 23:11 |
| kfox1111 | instead of web -> disk, then disk -> disk, its web -> disk. | 23:12 |
| sbezverk | kfox1111: so are you saying it will be processed like a tape, sequentially ? | 23:12 |
| kfox1111 | you don't need 2x storage either. | 23:12 |
| kfox1111 | yeah. | 23:12 |
| kfox1111 | it will extract the files as they come in. | 23:12 |
| kfox1111 | streaming. | 23:12 |
| sbezverk | kfox1111: yeah I remember old day doing backup on streamers ;) | 23:13 |
| sbezverk | and then finding out the the tape is bad.. | 23:13 |
| kfox1111 | indeed. | 23:13 |
| kfox1111 | its fun when you get a library big/bad enough where the robot starts flinging tapes. :) | 23:14 |
| kfox1111 | at high velocity, at things not intended to have tapes flung at them. :) | 23:14 |
| kfox1111 | for some definition of fun. :) | 23:14 |
| sbezverk | kfox1111: :) | 23:15 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jeffrey Zhang proposed openstack/kolla-ansible stable/ocata: Pull cinder cephx keyring only when enable_cinder is true in nova https://review.openstack.org/484074 | 23:20 |
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| sbezverk_ | kfox1111: even though I use curl blah | tar -C /blah -zxvf - it still load the whole thing first | 23:31 |
| sbezverk_ | and only when everything completed starts expand | 23:31 |
| kfox1111 | shouldn't. | 23:31 |
| kfox1111 | never has for me. | 23:32 |
| kfox1111 | are you doing it with curl or wget? | 23:32 |
| kfox1111 | wget you need to '-O -' | 23:32 |
| sbezverk_ | I use curl | 23:32 |
| kfox1111 | should be printing to stdout then. | 23:35 |
| kfox1111 | https://www.howtogeek.com/howto/uncategorized/linux-quicktip-downloading-and-un-tarring-in-one-step/ | 23:36 |
| kfox1111 | it may use buffer/disk cache if its available but shouldn't be memory constrained. | 23:37 |
| kfox1111 | so its not actually blocking another process from using the ram like if it was truely in memory. | 23:37 |
| openstackgerrit | Serguei Bezverkhi proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes master: WIP Adding chart for docker registry https://review.openstack.org/484014 | 23:38 |
| sbezverk_ | kfox1111: ok I have time line from previous, it took about 7 minutes | 23:39 |
| sbezverk_ | will see how it goes with one shot operation.. | 23:39 |
| kfox1111 | k. | 23:39 |
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