Friday, 2016-09-09

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duonghqmorning00:49
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openstackgerritDuong Ha-Quang proposed openstack/kolla: Specify 'become' to neccesary tasks (general roles)  https://review.openstack.org/35853902:07
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openstackgerritDuong Ha-Quang proposed openstack/kolla: Specify 'become' for only neccesary tasks (default roles)  https://review.openstack.org/35903102:14
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openstackgerritDuong Ha-Quang proposed openstack/kolla: Specify 'become' for only neccesary tasks (all other roles)  https://review.openstack.org/35909602:17
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duonghqJeffrey4l, pbourke: seems that something break kolla test_build03:19
duonghqit cannot even import test module: kolla.tests.test_build03:20
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duonghqberendt: around?03:24
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duonghqzhubingbing: around?03:39
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openstackgerritKevin Fox proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes: Add more nodeSelectors  https://review.openstack.org/36773803:44
zhubingbinghere03:45
zhubingbingi am here03:45
duonghqzhubingbing: this gate is broken, I'm trying to fix that03:46
zhubingbingok03:47
zhubingbingthanks03:47
duonghqbug's created https://bugs.launchpad.net/kolla/+bug/162171803:47
openstackLaunchpad bug 1621718 in kolla "gate-kolla-python34 is broken." [Undecided,New]03:47
duonghqzhubingbing: can you confirm?03:47
zhubingbinggood job03:47
zhubingbingi will review it03:48
zhubingbingBut wait for the meeting.03:48
duonghqzhubingbing: ok03:49
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openstackgerritDuong Ha-Quang proposed openstack/kolla: Fix gate-kolla-python34  https://review.openstack.org/36774004:02
Jeffrey4lduonghq, ya. did u try to fix this?04:05
duonghqJeffrey4l: my ps is on gate queue04:05
duonghqJeffrey4l: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/367740/04:05
Jeffrey4lcool04:05
mtaylor22hello~04:06
Jeffrey4lmtaylor22, hi04:06
mtaylor22afternoon04:06
Jeffrey4lit is noon now :)04:07
Jeffrey4lmtaylor22, do u have any progress for the namespace issue?04:07
mtaylor22hmm not much04:07
mtaylor22i haven't been able to figure out the cause yet04:08
Jeffrey4lme too. trying to make more test.04:08
mtaylor22i was looking at the dm stuff04:09
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mtaylor22but no good so far04:09
mtaylor22lsof +D also nothing lol04:09
duonghqJeffrey4l: still there?04:13
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Jeffrey4lduonghq, yep04:27
Jeffrey4lmtaylor22, should some process hold the namespace file. after stop some container or even the docker-engine daemon, the namespace can be delete successfully.04:27
duonghqJeffrey4l: the bug's root cause is about graphviz project04:29
duonghqto  fix that, the requiments must be changed04:30
Jeffrey4lduonghq, why? what's mean by ~=?04:30
duonghqit's >=0.4.0,==0.4.*04:30
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mtaylor22oh interesting04:31
mtaylor22if you run ip netns del on an active namespace04:31
mtaylor22it changes from a fd to file04:31
mtaylor22and perms change from 444 to 00004:32
Jeffrey4lduonghq, still do not get the point.04:32
Jeffrey4lmtaylor22, maybe when deleting namespace, there are still interface/nic in it?04:32
mtaylor22very possible04:32
mtaylor22i recall seeing a bug on this04:33
mtaylor22lemme search04:33
Jeffrey4lcool04:33
Jeffrey4lthis issue need restart the neutron_* containers. may lost something during the restarting?04:33
Jeffrey4lduonghq, the graphviz is only required by --save-dependency parameter. i am think we'04:34
duonghqJeffrey4l: you can see it: https://pip.pypa.io/en/stable/reference/pip_install/#requirement-specifiers04:34
Jeffrey4li am thinking we'd better move it to lazy import.04:34
Jeffrey4llike only import it when using --save-dependency parameter.04:34
duonghqbut, it will failed when this parameter is on?04:35
Jeffrey4lyes. your ps fix this issue. my propose can remove the graphivz from the requirements.txt and use it add extra dependency.04:36
duonghqunderstand04:36
duonghqbut,04:36
duonghqcan we remove grahpviz from requirements.txt? due to it's managed by openstack/requirements project?04:37
Jeffrey4lwe can. not all the requirements in openstack/requirements project are need in requirements.txt04:38
duonghqlet me try :)04:39
Jeffrey4lduonghq, check this http://zuul.openstack.org/04:39
Jeffrey4lduonghq, the gate-kolla-requirements job failed.04:39
duonghqJeffrey4l: saw that, this is cause of I'm ask you about openstack/requirement04:40
duonghqJeffrey4l: how can I specify extra dependency for kolla?04:41
duonghqas I understand, I can move the import to save_dependency method, and it'll fail when user turn on this option, so that user must install manually?04:42
Jeffrey4lno idea how to add a extra dependency in requirement.txt.04:43
Jeffrey4llet's me search.04:43
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mtaylor22https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/161539004:53
openstackLaunchpad bug 1615390 in neutron "neutron-l3-agent traceback while updating router" [Undecided,Incomplete]04:53
mtaylor22interesting.04:53
Jeffrey4lmtaylor22, it is report by kolla-kube04:54
Jeffrey4lThis happens in Kubernetes environment when neutron-l3-agent runs wihtin a docker container.04:55
mtaylor22yeah04:55
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openstackgerritzhubingbing proposed openstack/kolla: Added grafana role  https://review.openstack.org/34645005:09
openstackgerritzhubingbing proposed openstack/kolla: Added telegraf role  https://review.openstack.org/34644805:15
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duonghqpbourke: are you there?05:53
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mtaylor22@Jeffrey4l_ I got nothing mate06:02
mtaylor22been playing around all afternoon trying to dig deeper06:02
Jeffrey4l_OK06:03
Jeffrey4l_we have one more month to solve this. :)06:04
mtaylor22it seems like when docker restarts, it loses track of what it owns in terms of namespaces06:04
mtaylor22lol you do :(06:04
mtaylor22it's a problem for us atm06:04
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Jeffrey4l_i think so.06:16
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duonghqcoolsvap: around?06:19
coolsvapduonghq: yes06:19
duonghqcoolsvap: about this bug: https://launchpad.net/bugs/162171806:21
openstackLaunchpad bug 1621718 in kolla "gate-kolla-python34 is broken." [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Duong Ha-Quang (duonghq)06:21
coolsvapduonghq: i had a look in the review, but this doe snot look good to me06:21
duonghqand my fix: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/367740/06:21
coolsvapi am trying to see what else can be done06:21
duonghqI'm looking for a solution that can solve this problem totally06:22
coolsvapso 0.5.0 is causing issue am I correct?06:22
duonghqyes06:23
coolsvapalright06:23
coolsvapgive me 10-15 mins06:23
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coolsvapduonghq: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/367761/06:31
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openstackgerritSwapnil Kulkarni (coolsvap) proposed openstack/kolla: Fix gate-kolla-python34  https://review.openstack.org/36774006:32
duonghqcoolsvap: thanks06:32
duonghqcoolsvap: so we only block the 0.5.0 and when 0.5.1 come out, we need revise?06:33
coolsvapif 0.5.1 is also giving similar issue, then yes06:34
coolsvapideally we can think about using upper-constraints06:35
coolsvapbut thats a different discussion06:35
duonghqokay06:35
coolsvapduonghq: requirements update can be handled with bot submitted change once requirement review is mergred06:36
duonghqcoolsvap: I hope that it'll be fix soon06:37
coolsvapduonghq: yeah thanks for bringing it up06:37
coolsvapi am following up with requirements team06:38
openstackgerritDuong Ha-Quang proposed openstack/kolla: Fix gate-kolla-python34  https://review.openstack.org/36774006:38
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duonghqcoolsvap: I'm wondering why only py34 test is affected by this changed06:40
duonghqcoolsvap: any idea?06:43
coolsvapduonghq: no haven't had a chance to dig in the issue06:43
duonghqI'm trying to find other solution06:43
duonghqIt's quite strange,06:44
duonghqcoolsvap: other jobs (include building) is fine, but py3406:45
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Davieycoolsvap: Responded to your graphviz mail08:55
coolsvapDaviey: yeah saw that08:55
coolsvapversion update for graphviz is not in our control08:56
coolsvapso wanted to get it blocked first08:56
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Davieycoolsvap: Yeah, i +2'd it in requirements. :)08:57
coolsvapthanks :)08:57
coolsvapwe need to wait for dirk to approve08:58
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duonghqthank Daviey08:59
Davieycoolsvap: Should be a non-issue.  I'd be surprised if Dirk had a dependency on this release, in the few hours since it came out :)09:00
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duonghqlong hours no see sdake09:04
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openstackgerritPrithiv proposed openstack/kolla: Ansible roles for collectd Container  https://review.openstack.org/36608209:21
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openstackgerritMartin André proposed openstack/kolla: Consistently set sys path when using local tools  https://review.openstack.org/36473509:24
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sdake_DuncanT when my body says go to sleep i go to slelep :)09:30
sdake_rather duonghq09:30
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Davieysdake_: Keep up at the back!09:45
duonghqsdake_09:45
sdake_fk why is python 34 gat evoting09:46
duonghqThere is a requierement patch in gate queue09:46
duonghqt-40 to be merged09:46
sdake_ya i just -2'ed it09:46
Davieysdake_: there is a patch to openstack/requirements09:47
sdake_Daviey hae a link?09:47
sdake_just woke up -sorry little slow today :)09:47
duonghqsdake_ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/367761/09:47
Davieysdake_: see this thread aswell, http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-September/103295.html09:48
DavieyOnce it lands in requirements, we will get the change propagated down pretty quickly09:48
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sdake_wouldn't a top pin been more appropriate?09:49
Davieyit'll get added to this, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/367537/09:49
sdake_rather upper contraints09:49
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Davieysdake_: nah, i proposed a fix upstream.  If that lands, the next release should have it resolved09:50
Davieytop pinning means we are forever alone09:50
sdake_cool nice work Daviey09:50
sdake_how longdo requirements take to propogate09:51
sdake_if its goin to be days im gonig to make 34 nonvoting09:51
Davieysdake_: It is quick09:52
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duonghqwhat does FFE for?10:02
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sdakefeature freeze exception10:04
duonghqroger10:04
sdakeunfortunately from a pragmatic perspective the world cn't run excepton free10:04
duonghqquite sad, exception everywhere?10:05
sdakewhich doesn't jell with my philosophy personally10:05
sdakebut i am pragmatic10:05
sdakethis is the problem with exceptiions - they can be rationalized10:06
sdakebut once you do it once10:06
sdakeyou do it again10:06
sdakeand again10:06
openstackgerritMick Thompson proposed openstack/kolla: Added serial option to site.yml.  https://review.openstack.org/36726410:06
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*** sdake changes topic to "GATE BLOCKED; WORKING ON IT: Kolla IRC meetngs on Wednesdays @ 16:00 UTC - see agenda @ https://goo.gl/OXB0DL - IRC channel is *LOGGED* @ http://goo.gl/3mzZ7b (old logs from #kolla http://goo.gl/VKpPzA)"10:08
Davieysdake: it just means a greater level of co-oridnation.. it isn't a bad thing10:08
DavieyBefore this stage in the cycle, changing stuff quite freely was OK10:08
sdakere ffe, agree10:08
sdakei mean the word exception in general is bad :)10:08
Davieybut late in the cycle, pooping on other teams isn't cool, right? :)10:08
Davieyah10:09
Jeffrey4lsdake, how about use lazy load for graphivz. only load it when the use add --save-dependency parameter. if the graphviz is not installed, just print a error message to the end-user to install it.10:09
sdakeDaviey we generlaly run kolla exception free10:09
Jeffrey4lthen we do not add the graphivz into the requirements.txt.10:09
sdakeJeffrey4l the purpoe of requiremnts.txt is to install deeps not lod them10:09
Davieysdake: but kolla generally consumes from other projects, rather than provides decencies to others10:09
Jeffrey4lin most of time, the save-dependency only use for developer.10:10
Davieysdake: if nova made a massive change, like breaking out part of their stuff.. that would be hell for us.10:10
sdakeoh that happens all the time )10:10
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sdake;)10:10
Daviey:D10:10
Jeffrey4lif we can remove it from requirements.txt, then we won't need install the package.10:11
DavieyJeffrey4l does make a valid point10:11
Davieyat the moment, it is a dependencey for distros to install10:11
Davieydo most people want/need graphviz output?10:12
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Jeffrey4li do not think so. it is not required.10:12
Jeffrey4lin fact, i added this feature months ago.10:13
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sdakeJeffrey4l well lets just letthe current requirements.txt change work its way throughth system10:14
sdakethe major problem we haeno wis the gateis blocked10:14
sdakewe can't change our repo's requirements.txt directly10:14
prithivi still face same gate issue with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/346842/10:14
sdakethe gate jobs boot it out because they check forrequirements issuess10:14
prithivi would need some help in troubleshooting10:14
Jeffrey4llet me try push a PS?10:14
sdakeprithiv see tpoic10:14
openstackgerritJeffrey Zhang proposed openstack/kolla: fix the common upgrade  https://review.openstack.org/36791610:15
sdakeJeffrey4l i could use some brainpower of yours on this patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/367269/10/ansible/group_vars/all.yml10:16
sdakeJeffrey4l whatis correct syntax so thatworks for orclelinux andrhel?10:16
sdakei was thinking we culd hadd a rpm or deb global10:17
sdakeand key off that10:17
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sdakebut surely there must e a simplerway10:17
Davieysdake: almost updated10:18
* Jeffrey4l is checking10:18
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openstackgerritOpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/kolla: Updated from global requirements  https://review.openstack.org/36753710:19
Jeffrey4lsdake, why we have such a veriable? `rabbitmq_version`, and it point to a related path. it is confused.10:20
DavieyCan someone else +2 +W tis? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/367537/210:20
Davieysdake, coolsvap ^10:20
Jeffrey4lwe can add if-else in rabbitmq-env.conf file directly.10:20
sdakeJeffrey4l has something to do with kolla-kubernetes10:20
sdakebut i agree rabbitmq-env.conf.j2 would be alot easier to work with10:21
Jeffrey4l point to different folder for different path.10:21
Jeffrey4lok.10:21
sdakegit blame should explain it in your local repo10:21
sdakeJeffrey4l i was just working with what was there, i didn't really want to crrater kolla-kube ;)10:21
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Jeffrey4lsdake, workaround for your requirement. http://paste.openstack.org/show/570170/10:23
sdakecool Jeffrey4l10:24
sdakeyou rock dude ;)10:24
Jeffrey4l:)10:25
prithivFYIm i see some more gate failure for the patch which passed all jenkins tests yesterday.10:26
sdakeprithiv we are worign on it10:26
sdakesee topic10:26
DavieyETA 1 hr10:26
sdakeprobablyabout 1.5 hours10:26
prithivyes iam following it. just an FYI :)10:26
prithivto keep posted10:27
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sdake_Jeffrey4l i would add you as a coauthor but i am too lazy if thats ok10:34
sdake_if you want me to addy ou - can you provide me with the full line i should use ;)10:34
Jeffrey4lnever mind. :)10:35
coolsvapsdake_: Co-Authored-by: Jeffrey Zhang <zhang.lei.fly@gmail.com>10:35
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openstackgerritSteven Dake proposed openstack/kolla: Use delorean rabbitmq  https://review.openstack.org/36726910:39
sdake_thanks10:40
sdake_its actually not too lazy10:40
sdake_too tired10:40
sdake_thanks coolsvap10:40
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zhubingbinghi11:11
zhubingbinggate it be ok ?11:11
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sdake_zhubingbing not yt - but ptch is working thru ci11:12
zhubingbingok11:12
sdake_https://review.openstack.org/#/c/367537/211:12
sdake_you know your business is in bad shape when your best offense is a good defense11:13
zhubingbingI agree, defense wins the championship.11:14
zhubingbing……^_^11:14
sdake_no offense wins champsionship11:14
sdake_best defense is a good offense11:15
sdake_when your defending, your waiting to be deleted from the universe11:15
zhubingbingok understand11:15
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sdake_someone shuld make a irc->twitter stream11:16
sdake_(someone else:)11:17
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zhubingbingtwitter ?11:18
zhubingbinghave you build it?11:18
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sdake_i played occer as a child as fullback11:20
sdake_when I was involved 90% of thee time in the game, we lost11:21
mliimamorning guys \o/11:21
sdake_when I was involved 30% or less we *ALWAYS* won11:21
sdake_one year we had aa smoking offense11:21
sdake_i twiddled my thumbs on the field11:21
sdake_we won every game11:22
sdake_zhubingbing not to say defense isn't important11:22
sdake_zhubingbing but offense more critical to winning11:23
zhubingbingyes11:23
zhubingbingi agree11:23
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sdake_soccer is super tactical11:24
vbeltheory of openstack operation? :)  "fire and motion"11:24
sdake_need a smaller bias weight for my tonearm11:26
sdake_guess i'll have to hit a  machine shop11:27
sdake_anti-skating is really pretty terrible with modern catridges and high end tonearms11:27
sdake_on the plus side the bearings ont he 4 point are fantastic11:28
openstackgerritChristian Berendt proposed openstack/kolla: Add neutron-vpnaas-agent container  https://review.openstack.org/33549511:31
openstackgerritChristian Berendt proposed openstack/kolla: Add neutron-vpnaas-agent container  https://review.openstack.org/33549511:38
openstackgerritChristian Berendt proposed openstack/kolla: Integrate neutron-vpnaas-agent into the neutron Ansible role  https://review.openstack.org/33550211:38
openstackgerritChristian Berendt proposed openstack/kolla: Move transport_url parameter before service_providers section  https://review.openstack.org/36796111:39
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berendtplease check https://review.openstack.org/#/c/367961/1, neutron configuration is broken at the moment when enabling lbaas11:42
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sdake_lone star where are you after night11:49
sdake_feeling i'm trying to find11:50
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openstackgerritChristian Berendt proposed openstack/kolla: Install neutron-lbaas plugin in neutron-server container  https://review.openstack.org/32948711:52
sdake_berendt re removing debian from newton - too late at this point to make that change11:55
berendtsdake_ deprecating first...11:55
sdake_berendt i sttrongly suspect we will be using specs in kolla in ocata11:55
berendtwe discusses this yesterday..11:55
berendtdeprecation note in newton, removal in ocata11:55
berendtor somebody cries and takes care of debian/fedora11:56
sdake_i think deprecation policy takes a full cycle11:56
berendtyes11:56
sdake_so it will have to be removed in pike11:56
berendtocata is the deprecation phase11:56
berendtah yes of course, removal in pike11:56
sdake_i am not super keen to remove fedora and debian11:57
sdake_even though nobody is relaly using theese platorms11:57
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sdake_anyone einterested in using mariadb from centos cloud sig vs mariadb.com12:01
sdake_(and doing the work)12:01
openstackgerritMerged openstack/kolla: Updated from global requirements  https://review.openstack.org/36753712:03
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sdake_#topic RC1 will be tagged Aug 15th 00:00 UTC; gate unblocked - use recheck; Kolla IRC meetngs on Wednesdays @ 16:00 UTC - see agenda @ https://goo.gl/OXB0DL - IRC channel is *LOGGED* @ http://goo.gl/3mzZ7b (old logs from #kolla  http://goo.gl/VKpPzA)12:07
sdake_groan12:07
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sdake_Jeffrey4l http://logs.openstack.org/69/367269/12/check/gate-kolla-dsvm-deploy-centos-binary-centos-7-nv/4a386c3/console.html#_2016-09-09_11_04_36_35053112:09
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Jeffrey4lhmm let's test  this locally.12:24
Jeffrey4lsdake_, need double quota :(12:28
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openstackgerritJeffrey Zhang proposed openstack/kolla: Use delorean rabbitmq  https://review.openstack.org/36726912:30
DavieyGate fixed chaps x12:33
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openstackgerritKevin Fox proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes: Add more nodeSelectors  https://review.openstack.org/36773812:40
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berendtsdake it should be sep 15 and not aug 15.. in the topic12:56
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sdakeberendt thanks13:03
sdakeapparently i dont now whta month itis :)13:03
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lrensing_sdake: was there any resolution from dave?13:36
sdakeindeed13:36
sdakethe mongodb stuff - just don't set mongo_ip13:36
sdakeand mongodb ill no longer be required as a dependency13:36
sdakevmtp wont be able to store results13:36
sdakebut it will still be usable13:36
sdakewhat we dont want ot do is introduce security vulnerabilities into kolla13:37
sdakeand this pervents that13:37
lrensing_makes sense13:38
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sdakenote dave came up with the analysis and solution13:42
openstackgerritMerged openstack/kolla-kubernetes: Cleanup resource and resource-template  https://review.openstack.org/36643713:42
sdake(mccowan)13:42
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openstackgerritJeffrey Zhang proposed openstack/kolla: Use delorean rabbitmq  https://review.openstack.org/36726913:45
lrensing_but does that mean mongodb should be removed entirely from the vmtp role13:46
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sdakeright - vmtp needs to fix their implementation13:51
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nihiliferrhallisey: ping14:03
rhalliseynihilifer, what's up14:03
nihiliferrhallisey: I just wanted to ask general question, whether you're in sync with folks from openshift about dependencies in k8s14:03
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nihiliferI see the following issue https://github.com/openshift/origin/issues/850714:04
nihilifer(closed in favor for issue in trello)14:04
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nihiliferwhich even mentions the project made by colleagues at my company for handling deps in k8s https://github.com/Mirantis/k8s-AppController ;)14:05
inc0good morning14:06
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rhalliseynihilifer, interesting.  I'm not super in sync with them about deps, no14:06
inc0nihilifer, we probably just gonna use ansible for it14:06
sdakehey nihilifer14:06
sdakelong time no chat14:07
nihiliferok. there are a lot of controversions about how to handle dependencies, whether our idea of AppController is ok14:07
inc0btw you have good team out there! lots of good friends in same place:)14:07
inc0if I'd stay in Poznan I'd hope to be there too14:07
nihiliferI ask, because we think about introducing Appcontroller to k8s core, if folks will agree on that14:07
nihiliferand just wanted to know your thoughts ;)14:07
sdakenihilifer we don't have much interaction with k8s directly14:08
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inc0nihilifer, so here is my take on this - if we'd have good way to solve this in k8s only14:08
inc0that would be our way, but for now we'll simply use ansible14:08
sdakenihilifer fwiw  Ihave seen sap's demo14:08
sdakenihilifer have you?14:09
inc0SAP did yet different thing14:09
nihilifersdake: I didn't unfortunately14:09
nihiliferinc0: ack14:09
sdakethey forked os-kubectl14:09
sdakeand handle dependencies in the client14:09
nihiliferinteresting, will look at that14:09
sdakei dont think their fork is in any repo14:10
sdakethey also handle one other critical thing in os-kubectl14:10
sdakerather kubectl14:10
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sdakei think they called their fork os-ctl14:10
sdakeor something like that14:10
sdakewhat does appcontroller do?14:11
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sdakenihilifer ^^14:12
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inc0sdake, it solves this on kube level14:13
nihilifersdake: it introduces a third-party resource called Dependency, in which you define a parent-child tree of k8s entities like Pod, PetSet, ReplicaSet etc.14:13
inc0it's more elegant solution to "fail until database is up"14:13
nihiliferand it acts as a DaemonSet running on k8s14:14
sdakek8s community at one point some time ago said they dont want dependents14:14
sdakedependencies14:14
nihiliferwhich watches for this Dependenc resource14:14
nihiliferand handles them by calling k8s api14:14
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sdakethey think cloud native apps should be able to ecover autonomously from failures14:14
sdakeecover/recover14:14
nihiliferyep, it's very controversial. maybe if k8s community will not agree on deps at al, it will still stay as our separate project14:15
sdakeis it still controversial?14:15
sdakeit seems to be a no brainer that dependencies are necessary14:15
sdakei think there is some hard headedness going about14:15
inc0technically it's not super wow-wow-so-cloud-native14:15
inc0much cloud so native14:16
nihiliferit is - as I said, openshift folks are looking for deps too, some folks seems to be happy that AppController was written14:16
nihiliferwhile some are trying to handle it outside k8s14:16
nihiliferbut still, many different thoughts14:16
sdakenihilifer http://dilbert.com/strip/2010-10-2614:16
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sdakemy understanding is openshift cats want to drive their dependency model into kubernetes14:17
sdakemuch as you want to do with appcontroller14:17
sdakeperhaps thatis where the conflict is14:17
nihilifer:D14:17
inc0I wish there will be *one* dependency model..14:17
sdakeI am not involved in either of those communities to a strong degree14:17
sdakenihilifer may I recommend a suggestion?14:18
nihilifersdake: sure14:18
sdakehaving a dependency system outside of kubernetes is not kubernetes native14:18
sdakework with the openshift community to define a common approach to dep management14:19
sdakei've got a contact for you if you like14:19
sdakehaving two dependency management systems outside of kubernetes is really not ideal at all14:19
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sdakebecause in the kolla-k8s model, we already have a model using ansible14:20
sdakebut obviously we would like a kubernetes cloud native solution14:20
rhalliseynihilifer, ya idk.  It may or may not be accpeted but like everyone is saying, it's not kubernetes like14:20
inc0well, truth be told, we have it because there is no good way to do it in k8s14:20
rhalliseyI've read like 10 different git issues sent to kubernetes about depedancies14:20
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rhalliseythey were pretty much all rejected14:20
sdakenihilifer yes - those 10 issues - i think if you work with red hat on this you will have more success14:21
sdakenihilifer red  hat has a big footprint in k8s14:21
sdakenihilifer I can make an introduction if you like14:22
sdakenihilifer or if you want tobattle kubernetes solo or maintian something nobody will use - that is another optioin :)14:23
sdakeare other otpions that is :)14:23
sdakethe only reason i care is i want a native solution for dependencies as well14:24
sdakethat doesn't involve carrying forks of k8s14:24
sdakeor installing openshift (which is a fork of k8s)14:24
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nihilifersdake: agree. we'll try to talk with them after, probably after code freeze14:26
sdakei think the time to talk is now- that way the ideas get seeded14:28
sdakebefore openshift continues on with their fork14:28
sdakeand we have 3 solutions or dep management14:28
sdakebecause kolla will win that battle14:29
sdakei want us alll to win14:29
sdakerather ansible will win thatbattle14:29
sdake(of which kolla currently uses to handle as a dep)14:29
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sdakeunfortunately I come at from the angle of "we already have something working with ansible and thats Gefn"14:29
sdakeand have no footprint in the k8scommunity14:29
sdakewhereas you and the red hat cat i'd introduce you to do14:30
sdakehappy to cc dims on the introduction14:30
sdakedims is always reasonable and should get on well with this cat at red hat14:30
openstackgerritMichal Jastrzebski (inc0) proposed openstack/kolla: Change ceph version to Jewel  https://review.openstack.org/36623014:30
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inc0Jeffrey4l, ^ addressed your commits14:31
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* dims heard the ping, back in a little bit :)14:32
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inc0sdake, well, yeah, but if we would have something k8s native I'd gladly drop requirement for ansible14:32
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inc0so nihilifer you have my blessing and wishes for good fortune;)14:33
inc0not that I don't wish you good fortune in general, but you know...in this particular case;)14:33
nihiliferhah, thx14:34
sdakeinc0 right - that is what we all want14:35
dimssdake : nihilifer : happy to pitch in where i can14:35
inc0sdake, let's talk a bit about curious case of rabbitmq ok?14:35
sdakeinc0 but the kolla community itself has *no* footprint in k8s14:35
inc0that one is true14:35
sdakedims - well nihilifer has to ask for an introduction - not going to make one if he isn't interested14:35
sdake(or you could)14:35
inc0well, if somebody from our community would like to code for k8s, that would be superb14:35
sdaketbh its my best approach for achieving our common goals here14:36
inc0but we can't really force anyone, so you know...best effort is everything we can offer14:36
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sdakei dont see kolla magically turning from an ansible+docker shop into a striaght up write plugins in go type of shop :)14:36
inc0well, kolla-k8s is kinda like that14:37
sdakebut dims - you guys have that mandate14:37
sdakeinc0 we aren't writing plugins14:37
sdakei dont even know go14:37
sdakeand i don't caer to learn14:37
inc0nah, but we might if it would make sense14:37
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sdakeinc0 thre are two big groups that already have the prolem solved14:37
inc0just, ansible gave us fix for this particular problem immediatly14:37
sdakeits a matter of  getting these two groups to act as one force inside k8s14:37
inc0but what future brings? never know14:37
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nihilifersdake: replied about intro on priv, but yes, sounds reasonable14:40
inc0nihilifer, let us know if you agree on sth14:41
inc0again, less dependencies = good14:41
sdakedims - nihilifer inicated he is the wrong cat - so if your intereted, i'd introduce you and one other appcontroller cat (lead prferrably)14:45
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sdakedims if interested - let me know - earlier the better - before you both get too far along the path of implementation that it results in two competiting implentaitons for  the same objective14:46
sdakethat will make things dramatically more difficult for us to suck off your hard work :)14:46
sdakethese are upstream people - not tied to the typcical red hat "we hate mirantis" thing14:47
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dimssdake : always good to have communication channels open, so yes, +1 to some intros and a quick chat14:51
sdakedims cool i'll stay out of it after the intros14:52
sdakedims if you have an appcontroller cat thatis lead - tht wuld help14:52
sdakeor if you just want an intro to kick off the conversation you can go from there14:52
dimssdake : will respond on priv channel14:52
sdakedims roger14:53
inc0nihilifer, dims is it pigmej?;) the leading guy14:54
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sdakemy privatte messae page is two pages worth of scroll on my 15" mbp14:56
dimsinc0 : yes14:56
sdakereally wish people would usepublic channels.. /me sadfaces14:56
dimssdake : apologies, didn't want to share an email id that is not mine in public14:57
sdakedims - right private messages are for private things14:57
inc0we can just invite pigmej here14:57
sdakedims - i get all kinds o technical discussions in private msgs14:57
sdakewhich is  annoying14:57
inc0instead of talking of him14:57
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sdakeinc0 i dont know who that is - i ws thnking oof someone else at redhat15:00
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inc0sdake, it's Mirantis guy, my and nihilifer's old friend15:00
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inc0sdake, sooo...rabbitmq15:07
inc0remind me please, why can't we install from curl?15:07
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inc0I mean if we download rpm from rabbimq site15:08
inc0it should be built against erlang 18 right?15:08
sdakeFOUR FORTH TIME15:08
inc0triggered15:08
sdakerabbitmq 3.5.7 on rabbitmq for centos is built against a broken version of erlang 1615:08
inc0even the curl thing right?15:09
sdakewell atleast 3.5.5 - not absolutely certain about 3.5.715:09
inc0so one way would be to just upgrade rabbitmq to 3.6.5 (or whatever is in delorean now) across the board?15:09
inc0even if this means downloading .deb from github15:09
inc0can you check please?15:09
inc0so I'd be ok with upgradin rabbit, just not that close to a release15:10
sdakei'd be open to using deb from rabbitmq.org for 3.6.215:10
inc0since we already have erlang 18 installed15:10
sdakealthough i dont think it would be as good as using the one in uca15:10
inc0that should work15:10
inc0agree, but it will be better than having 2 different versions15:11
inc0imho15:11
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sdakei think the problem is erlang in rabbitmq.org is out of date15:11
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sdakewe culd solve the two different version problems by installing 3.6.215:11
inc0yeah, and that what we're going to do15:11
inc0just not sure if now or early Ocata15:11
sdakeonee from rabbitmq, and one from clouod sig15:12
inc0we could ask UCA guys to bump a version in repo15:12
inc0it's timing that I don't agree with, not idea15:12
sdaketrust my judgement on this, one lsat time15:13
sdakewe need cloud-sig version NOW not later15:13
inc0ok, I'll work on code for 3.6.2 installation on ubuntu15:13
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sdakesounds good15:14
sdakei thin kthat may be dangerous15:14
sdakebut worth a go ;)15:14
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sdakeuca has all kinds  of hacks on erlang too15:14
sdakei'm not sure erlang 18 has the fix for epmd in it15:14
sdakebut cloudsig verion does15:14
sdakeupstream erlang that is15:15
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sdakeok bb-1515:15
sdakeinteresting stackalytics has a twitter button15:18
sdakegoing to be abusingthat :)15:18
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Davieysdake: er15:27
Davieysdake: UCA isn't full of hacks.. it is Ubuntu backported, purely that15:27
DavieySo Newton will be backported to Ubuntu LTS via UCA15:29
Daviey(I created the UCA)15:29
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openstackgerritKevin Fox proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes: l3/metadata DaemonSets + DVR, & labels  https://review.openstack.org/35755715:46
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sdakeDaviey did I say uca was full of hacks?15:50
sdakeI meant cloud-sig (centos) is full of hacks ;)15:50
sdakeyup looking at scrollback i did say that15:50
sdakemaybe that was an assumption15:50
sdakeanyway gotta jet soon - have dr appointment15:51
-openstackstatus- NOTICE: New setuptools release appears to have a circular import which is breaking many jobs - check for ImportError: cannot import name monkey.15:53
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openstackgerritKevin Fox proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes: Change true to yes in default host labels  https://review.openstack.org/36809515:56
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/kolla: Add guidelines on adding a new service  https://review.openstack.org/36125316:06
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openstackgerritKevin Fox proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes: Move iscsi stuff to match kolla  https://review.openstack.org/36813716:16
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openstackgerritzhubingbing proposed openstack/kolla: Added grafana role  https://review.openstack.org/34645016:29
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openstackgerritzhubingbing proposed openstack/kolla: Added grafana container  https://review.openstack.org/34644716:31
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inc0https://review.openstack.org/#/c/366230/ could someone tag +Workflow plz?17:04
inc0pbourke, Jeffrey4l17:04
inc0ubuntu issue seems to be something neutronish17:04
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/kolla-kubernetes: Add more nodeSelectors  https://review.openstack.org/36773817:07
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Mech422inc0: Have you done any 'fancy' ceph setups ?  I may have to build a cluster with high speed ingress but much slower egress/read... debating best way to go about it17:29
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Mech422inc0: could do cache tier, or HSM-ish setup in Crush - or simply replicate to another ceph cluster17:30
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openstackgerritKevin Fox proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes: resource-map output formatters  https://review.openstack.org/36816017:33
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openstackgerritKevin Fox proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes: resource-map output formatters  https://review.openstack.org/36816017:35
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/kolla-kubernetes: resource-map output formatters  https://review.openstack.org/36816018:27
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inc0Mech422, writeback cache18:49
inc0or actually18:49
inc0make sure your journals are on fast disks18:49
inc0writeback won't really make it much faster18:50
inc0(lots of writes, not much reads18:50
inc0)18:50
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inc0any core online guys?18:52
inc0mliima, rhallisey18:53
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mliima\o/18:53
mliimainc0,18:54
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inc0https://review.openstack.org/#/c/366230/ can someone click workflow please? I don't want to workflow my changes:(18:54
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mliimarhallisey, already did it inc018:56
inc0thanks18:56
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/kolla: Change ceph version to Jewel  https://review.openstack.org/36623018:58
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lrensing_what's the trick to solving the 'waiting for the openvswitch_db service to be ready' error?19:08
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openstackgerritMauricio Lima proposed openstack/kolla: Fix manila_share container isn't up after deploy  https://review.openstack.org/36624719:16
inc0lrensing_, that is an one strange errror19:21
inc0so first thing you do in situations like that19:21
inc0you're logging to one in question19:21
inc0and do docker logs openvswitch_db19:22
inc0or openvswitch_vswitchd19:22
inc0see if there is anything strange in logs19:22
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Mech422inc0: thanks - we pretty much decided the same - the cost difference between a 'flat' and 'multi-tier' setup just wasn't worth the extra complexity19:23
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openstackgerritSerguei Bezverkhi proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes: Kube Glance bootstrap cleanup  https://review.openstack.org/36768119:23
lrensing_thanks inc019:23
inc0yeah and it won't be that much of a difference for writes19:23
inc0but journal has to be fast19:23
Mech422inc0: yeah - we'll do SSD journals - possibly NVMe19:24
lrensing_start-ovsdb-server not found19:24
inc0lrensing_, did you rebuild recently?19:24
lrensing_yea19:24
Mech422inc0: suddenly I'm getting pulled in half a dozen directions - none of them openstack :-(19:24
inc0Mech422, such is life19:24
inc0lrensing_, hmm...try to rebuild with --no-cache flag19:25
inc0seems like something is wrong with your build19:25
Mech422inc0: yeah - how things here ? I see we got some new cores :-)19:25
inc0it happends every now and then, not sure why19:25
inc0yeah19:25
inc0well, we just upgraded ceph to Jewel19:26
inc0and we're in general pre-release heat;)19:26
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Mech422sweet!19:27
inc0Mech422, you're going to Barcelona?19:27
mliimahttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/366247/19:30
Mech422inc0: nah - We've got a travel freeze atm19:31
Mech422inc0: heh - and since we re-imburse for travel in general - international trips are pricey19:31
inc0:(19:32
Mech422inc0: I asked my boss about getting some travel allowance for next year though19:32
Mech422so thats a possibility19:32
inc0well, next design summit will be in Atlanta in some cheaper place19:33
inc0they decouple summits you know19:33
Mech422inc0: hmm ... have to see about that then19:35
Mech422I was annoyed I missed the one in Texas - I'm in AZ, so that one was really 'close'19:36
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mrjkping ormuco ?19:40
inc0well, hotels are pricey anyway19:40
inc0they split the summits for that reason19:41
inc0design summit will be smaller so cheaper hotels potentially19:41
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sdakeinc0 about?19:44
inc0yeah19:45
inc0just about to get this rabbitmq upgrade19:45
inc0done19:45
sdakeI was thinking bout rabbitmq19:45
inc0ok19:45
sdakemy exxpertise is in centos19:45
sdake(if that was't obvious)19:45
sdakenot ubuntu19:45
sdakei know what the best course of action is for centos, but not ubuntu19:45
sdakeso rely on you for the ubuntu sideo things since yur un itdaily19:46
inc0well, we need to figure out best course of actions for all of them without breaking versions19:46
inc0I think we need to keep single version19:46
inc0and I'm ok to pull deb from rabbitmq site19:46
sdakewe can always make a mirorr fo the rabbitmq site if I can get openstack-infrat o approve my changes :)19:47
inc0I think cost of having that beats the cost of having 2 different versions19:47
inc0well, if it happends in infra it mnight happen in real life19:47
inc0so I'd not rely on infra mirrors19:47
sdakewhat i mean is we can mirror rabbitmq.com19:48
sdakefor deb19:48
sdakebut ya - it needs fixing19:48
sdakealso at prsent EPMD wildcard binds19:48
inc0let's just upgrade it all to 3.6.2 and be done with it19:48
sdakewhich we did to make any distro at all work19:48
sdakesounds good19:48
inc0can you lock version tho19:48
mliimahey guys, i need some reviews here19:48
mliimahttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/366247/19:48
sdakei'm not sure version locking is viable19:49
sdakei never understood why it was done19:49
sdakecentos delets old stuff19:49
inc0well, to control what version we support19:49
sdakethen versionlock leaves s with a broken gate19:49
sdakeand broken implementation19:49
inc0it's especially important19:49
openstackgerritMerged openstack/kolla-kubernetes: Kube Glance bootstrap cleanup  https://review.openstack.org/36768119:49
inc0for us having more distros19:49
inc0but I guess that's one of costs of having multi distro support19:49
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inc0in fact, that is one thing I don't particulary like in our project;) I mean it's great, but it's volitale19:50
sdakeright19:50
inc0sdake, can you paste in your review? I lost it among the stuff19:51
sdakemoment19:51
inc0I'll co-author it and add bits for ubunut19:51
sdakeJeffrey4l was working on it19:51
inc0if we all co-author it there won't be anyone left to review it;)19:51
sdakehttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/367269/19:51
sdakelooks like jeffry broke centos - wich wsa working prior to him geetting at it :)19:51
inc0ubuntu binary have some issues too today19:52
inc0neutron have problems19:52
inc0surprise surprise19:52
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openstackgerritHui Kang proposed openstack/kolla: Fix mariadb bootstrap error  https://review.openstack.org/36021819:58
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openstackgerritHui Kang proposed openstack/kolla: Add etcd ansible role  https://review.openstack.org/36466220:01
openstackgerritMerged openstack/kolla-kubernetes: Move iscsi stuff to match kolla  https://review.openstack.org/36813720:03
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openstackgerritKevin Fox proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes: Check for service name in resource name  https://review.openstack.org/36698320:06
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openstackgerritMichal Jastrzebski (inc0) proposed openstack/kolla: Use delorean rabbitmq  https://review.openstack.org/36726920:08
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inc0sdake, ^20:09
sdakelooing20:09
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sdakelookks good - lets see what the gate says20:11
inc0yeah, I'll test upgrade in a moment20:11
inc0I suggest you do the same20:11
sdakeif that works - then we can enable epmd next20:11
sdakerather epmd binding to the correct hsot20:12
sdakehost/ip20:12
sdakejust think how magical it would be to have gates for upgrades20:12
inc0magical20:12
inc0is a good word20:12
inc0for it20:12
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/kolla-kubernetes: Change true to yes in default host labels  https://review.openstack.org/36809520:19
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openstackgerritMichal Jastrzebski (inc0) proposed openstack/kolla: Use delorean rabbitmq  https://review.openstack.org/36726920:22
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openstackgerritLarry Rensing proposed openstack/kolla: Add ansible role for vmtp container  https://review.openstack.org/35830520:30
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inc0lrensing_, soo...you dropped mongodb alltogether?20:35
lrensing_that was the decision that was made20:35
inc0probably for good since we don't have creds for mongo20:36
lrensing_since using mongo with no creds is a security issue20:36
inc0yeah20:36
inc0I'd be -2 to remove creds;)20:36
inc0hmm...so you need to specify cidr in config?20:37
inc0it will use this net or try to create it?20:37
inc0or how does it work? I'm asking because we won't have any network info on deployment time20:37
openstackgerritKevin Fox proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes: l3/metadata DaemonSets + DVR, & labels  https://review.openstack.org/35755720:37
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lamtinc0: it will create the network - https://github.com/openstack/vmtp/blob/master/vmtp/network.py#L107-L11220:44
inc0hmm does it have creds for neutron and such?20:45
inc0interesting20:46
lamtinc0: For vmtp, I am not sure if we want to template the configuration at the first place.  Because the user seems to be able to pass in a modified copy of cfg.default.yaml in through the -c option.20:47
lamtinc0: http://vmtp.readthedocs.io/en/latest/quickstart_docker.html#run-vmtp20:47
inc0lrensing_, ^ your implementation have it hardcoded right?20:47
lrensing_to a 192.16820:49
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lrensing_the default cidrs20:51
inc0how about creds for neutron?20:52
lrensing_https://github.com/openstack/vmtp/blob/master/vmtp/cfg.default.yaml#L10620:53
inc0ok I guess they're not required20:53
inc0ok I won't pretend that I understand this project20:53
inc0here, grab +220:53
sdakeinc0 vmtp is for network testing20:54
inc0yeah I got that part20:54
sdakethink of it as tempest for ntworking20:54
inc0ok, sounds interesting20:55
inc0hmmm20:55
inc0now when I think about it... lrensing_ maybe it would be better to use our networks that we run in init-runonce? https://github.com/openstack/kolla/blob/master/tools/init-runonce#L5720:55
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inc0soooo..vmtp doesn't accept ini? and it requires network in config20:56
inc0that's kinda fubar in our current state20:56
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sdakewhat is formt for config file20:57
sdakeimo just use a copy over20:57
openstackgerritKevin Fox proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes: Force hostlabels to yaml strings.  https://review.openstack.org/36822720:58
sdakeits a shame it doesn't he a ret pai that take the network config20:58
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lamtsdake: https://github.com/openstack/vmtp/blob/master/vmtp/cfg.default.yaml <- the config.file for vmtp20:59
inc0yeah I kinda like rally's approach in this matter21:00
sdakesoppy21:00
inc0soppy?21:00
inc0what does that mean?21:00
sdakesloppy21:00
inc0ah21:00
inc0ok21:00
sdakeit means my l key is busted21:00
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lamtinc0: for the vmtp, the default pip install puts in a cfg.default.yaml, and a user can modify a copy of it and pass it in via that -c option and it overrides anything in the cfg.default.yaml.21:13
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lamtit places the default cfg in /lib/python2.7/site-packages/vmtp/cfg.default.yaml21:19
openstackgerritKevin Fox proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes: l3/metadata DaemonSets + DVR, & labels  https://review.openstack.org/35755721:24
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openstackgerritKevin Fox proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes: l3/metadata DaemonSets + DVR, & labels  https://review.openstack.org/35755721:33
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ssl_hi.. what is the mysql root password that was deployed by Kolla?21:56
ssl_i can't find the mysql root password at the password.yml file21:57
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ssl_forget it.... found it21:58
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sdakedatabase_password22:01
sdakeeach service has a unique passsword22:01
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sdakeinc0 your patch blew up in the gate22:22
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inc0oh joy, ubuntu repos are broken22:34
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inc0sdake,22:36
inc0ubuntu binary will be red until guys get their packages released22:36
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sdakeinc0 sorry was ptfoed23:23
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sdake  Jeffrey4l round t thihour?23:47
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prithivi still see some gate failures for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/366082/723:50
prithivit failed again after recheck. the checks were passed yesterday.23:51
sdakeJeffrey4l - notice the timestamp on the first request:23:51
sdake[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HfKT_ndfNl823:51
sdakefollowedby the second ansible command23:52
sdake3 minues elapse23:52
sdakehttp://logs.openstack.org/69/367269/16/check/gate-kolla-dsvm-deploy-centos-source-centos-7-nv/2ea3982/console.html#_2016-09-09_20_46_13_185316 rather23:52
sdakeprithiv something going on with the gate23:54
sdakenotsure hwat23:54
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