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| cloudnautique | Hello, is there any docs on how to setup neutron with network bridging using kolla | 00:03 |
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| cloudnautique | I am able to deploy repeatedly with Kolla with broken networking :) | 00:03 |
| cloudnautique | in the sense, that its failing to allocate ports | 00:03 |
| cloudnautique | neutrong->linuxbridge | 00:04 |
| kklimonda | what version of docker does current stable/liberty support? | 00:07 |
| kklimonda | hmm | 00:09 |
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| Mech422 | kklimonda: Not sure about stable/liberty - stable/mitaka wanted docker 1.10+ I think ? | 00:11 |
| Mech422 | cloudnautique: not sure - Kolla is pretty OVS focused atm. I haven't seen any docs on alternate network configs yet | 00:12 |
| kklimonda | yeah, stable/liberty does too | 00:12 |
| kklimonda | somehow images I've built (only this particular tag) aren't showing up when I query my registry from nodes I'm deploying OS on.. | 00:13 |
| Mech422 | kklimonda: did you change the default registry port, add the --insecure-registry option to docker startup, and restart the docker daemons on the nodes ? | 00:19 |
| kklimonda | ah, I see the problem - didn't set push to True | 00:20 |
| kklimonda | so the images were available on the node I've built them on, but weren't pushed to the repository | 00:21 |
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| openstackgerrit | David Wang proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes: Added kolla-kubernetes specific instructions for Docs and Tests https://review.openstack.org/326769 | 00:32 |
| dcwangmit01 | ^ First commit :) | 00:33 |
| Mech422 | dcwangmit01: grats :-) | 00:36 |
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| openstackgerrit | Hui Kang proposed openstack/kolla: Create openvswitch-vswichd/db-server for individual fake nova compute https://review.openstack.org/326773 | 00:50 |
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| openstackgerrit | Md Nadeem proposed openstack/kolla: Added unit test for kolla_docker https://review.openstack.org/285138 | 06:11 |
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| openstackgerrit | Md Nadeem proposed openstack/kolla: Added unit test for check container https://review.openstack.org/286513 | 06:18 |
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| mdnadeem_ | Jeffrey4l, Please let me know if ansible 2.0 support is done or still you need to update kolla_docker.py file, if not then i will resume the unit test case writing for kolla_docker.py file (https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/ansible-unit-tests) ? | 09:47 |
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| sdake | morning | 11:46 |
| coolsvap | morning sdake | 11:48 |
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| coolsvap | sdake, i want to request for making the meeting time again UTC 1600 for all meetings unless there are major objections | 11:51 |
| sdake | coolsvap please do so on the mailing list | 11:52 |
| sdake | and morning to ya :) | 11:52 |
| coolsvap | sdake, let me do it | 11:52 |
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| Jeffrey4l | mdnadeem_, still around? | 12:14 |
| Jeffrey4l | mdnadeem_, the ansible 2.0 support is done. | 12:14 |
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| Jeffrey4l | now kolla master works with ansible 2.0 and ansible 2.1 | 12:15 |
| ccesario | Jeffrey4l, nice work!! I have testing it | 12:17 |
| ccesario | and it works very nice! | 12:18 |
| Jeffrey4l | cool. thanks c | 12:18 |
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| ccesario | it seems that build.py is broken after in the master branch | 12:20 |
| ccesario | http://paste.openstack.org/show/508911/ | 12:20 |
| ccesario | (I just update my local rep.... ) | 12:20 |
| ccesario | could someone can check it .. please? | 12:21 |
| coolsvap | ccesario, you will need to do pip install -U kolla | 12:28 |
| coolsvap | or something you do on local env to update kolla | 12:28 |
| coolsvap | there is new module added in recent review | 12:28 |
| coolsvap | ccesario, are you able to do it? | 12:32 |
| ccesario | coolsvap, yep... let me try | 12:34 |
| ccesario | coolsvap, it works... | 12:35 |
| ccesario | root@kolla-dev:/var/src/kolla-master# kolla-build --version | 12:35 |
| ccesario | 2.0.1 | 12:35 |
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| ccesario | coolsvap, tools/build.py will not be supported ? | 12:36 |
| ccesario | I mean, tools/build.py call ... :) | 12:36 |
| coolsvap | it will be | 12:37 |
| coolsvap | it will be supported | 12:37 |
| ccesario | coolsvap, right :) .. thanks by info | 12:38 |
| openstackgerrit | Serguei Bezverkhi proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes: Kolla Kubernetes Service Discovery BP https://review.openstack.org/317537 | 12:51 |
| sbezverk_ | ccesario ping | 13:04 |
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| ccesario | sbezverk_, pong | 13:09 |
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| sbezverk_ | ccesario do you still see issue with cinder? | 13:10 |
| inc0 | good morning | 13:11 |
| ccesario | sbezverk_, yes | 13:12 |
| sbezverk_ | can you get me cinder.conf from cinder_volume? | 13:12 |
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| openstackgerrit | Michal Jastrzebski (inc0) proposed openstack/kolla: Add customizations for apt keys and packages https://review.openstack.org/326688 | 13:24 |
| openstackgerrit | Michal Jastrzebski (inc0) proposed openstack/kolla: Add customizations for apt keys and packages https://review.openstack.org/326688 | 13:26 |
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| inc0 | pbourke, mandre have you seen this one? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/326734/2 | 13:27 |
| patchbot | inc0: patch 326734 - kolla - Macro install packages | 13:27 |
| pbourke | inc0: not yet! | 13:27 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jeffrey Zhang proposed openstack/kolla: Implement Rally Dockerfile https://review.openstack.org/326414 | 13:30 |
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| inc0 | so with this macro we'll get 2 things | 13:34 |
| inc0 | 1. customization of packages | 13:34 |
| inc0 | all can be overrided as long as it's either block or variable | 13:34 |
| inc0 | 2. instad of if centos => yum install foo bar centos-barfoo elif ubuntu => foo bar ubu-barfoo | 13:35 |
| inc0 | we can go packages = [bar, foo] if centos packages = packages + centos-barfoo ===> install_packages(packages) | 13:36 |
| dmsimard | ubu-barfoo | 13:36 |
| dmsimard | has a nice ring to it. | 13:36 |
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| inc0 | :D | 13:37 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jeffrey Zhang proposed openstack/kolla: Run more kolla-ansible task in the gate https://review.openstack.org/326281 | 13:46 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jeffrey Zhang proposed openstack/kolla: Run more kolla-ansible task in the gate https://review.openstack.org/326281 | 13:49 |
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| mag009_ | good morning | 13:52 |
| inc0 | Jeffrey4l, so issue with more tasks is that infra would like to have short living tasks | 13:53 |
| inc0 | but since to do upgrade/reconfigure you need to do deploy anyway | 13:53 |
| inc0 | hey mag009_ | 13:53 |
| Jeffrey4l | inc0, so you may you are OK with my PS, right? | 13:54 |
| Jeffrey4l | s/may/mean/ | 13:55 |
| inc0 | yeah | 13:55 |
| Jeffrey4l | cool | 13:55 |
| Jeffrey4l | but more work should be done. for the upgrade, we need do a real upgrade, like from liberty to mitaka. | 13:56 |
| inc0 | Jeffrey4l, I've put that into comment;) | 13:56 |
| Jeffrey4l | thanks. | 13:56 |
| inc0 | most importantly we need multi noe | 13:56 |
| inc0 | node | 13:56 |
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| Jeffrey4l | yes. I have started that works :D | 14:07 |
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| openstackgerrit | Michal Jastrzebski (inc0) proposed openstack/kolla: Add customizations for apt keys and packages https://review.openstack.org/326688 | 14:30 |
| openstackgerrit | Michal Jastrzebski (inc0) proposed openstack/kolla: Macro install packages https://review.openstack.org/326734 | 14:30 |
| openstackgerrit | Jeffrey Zhang proposed openstack/kolla: Run more kolla-ansible task in the gate https://review.openstack.org/326281 | 14:45 |
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| wirehead_ | Heh. A real upgrade, like from liberty to mitaka, will be where we determine if we've won. | 15:25 |
| inc0 | wirehead_, we did won | 15:28 |
| inc0 | lib -> mitaka works | 15:28 |
| inc0 | we need to figure out to put it to gates th | 15:28 |
| inc0 | o | 15:28 |
| inc0 | to test upgrades per patch | 15:28 |
| wirehead_ | Gates or it didn't happen? | 15:29 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jeffrey Zhang proposed openstack/kolla: Implement Rally Dockerfile https://review.openstack.org/326414 | 15:38 |
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| inc0 | pbourke, mandre I need an advice | 15:44 |
| inc0 | anyone really | 15:45 |
| inc0 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/326688/4 | 15:45 |
| patchbot | inc0: patch 326688 - kolla - Add customizations for apt keys and packages | 15:45 |
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| inc0 | so when we set a variable, we can't really modify it, as all the set in customization happends before this is executed | 15:46 |
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| inc0 | and I dont really want to have _append variables and such | 15:46 |
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| pbourke | inc0: maybe this patch had progressed since I last looked | 15:53 |
| mandre | inc0: so, I think there is no way around having to define 2 variables | 15:53 |
| pbourke | inc0: I thought users would just replace the whole block | 15:53 |
| inc0 | pbourke, blocks will mess up var scope | 15:53 |
| inc0 | they can't publish variable up | 15:54 |
| mandre | inc0: you'll have for instance {% set base_apt_packages = [our, list, of, packages] + base_apt_packages_extra %} | 15:54 |
| mandre | if user wants to add packages to the list, he defines base_apt_packages_extra | 15:54 |
| inc0 | yeah, but we'd also need override and remove | 15:55 |
| mandre | or he could simply redefine base_apt_packages to remove some | 15:55 |
| inc0 | so an idea | 15:55 |
| inc0 | set base_apt_packages_default in tpl | 15:55 |
| inc0 | and then we render {{ base_apt_packages | customizable }} | 15:55 |
| inc0 | and I'll write customizable filter in a way | 15:55 |
| inc0 | uhh...but then we need to have access to _default | 15:56 |
| inc0 | this is hard :( | 15:56 |
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| Daviey | inc0: can you not have two _apt_packages ? base_ and additional_ (which both can be overridden, but base is kolla defaults) ? | 15:56 |
| inc0 | Daviey, yeah, only that will work for additions, and we also want full override and removal | 15:57 |
| inc0 | and removal and addition | 15:57 |
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| Daviey | well having two allows you to override base_, but also append ability | 15:57 |
| mandre | inc0: probably the most common case by far is adding packages to the images | 15:58 |
| mandre | it deserve a separate variable | 15:58 |
| inc0 | mandre, I know of at least one removal | 15:58 |
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| mandre | inc0: which one? | 15:58 |
| Daviey | well removal means you need to override and remove the single package? | 15:58 |
| inc0 | mandre, midonet needs its own ovs and it conflicts with vanilla | 15:59 |
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| inc0 | so it needs to not install vanilla and install it's own instead | 15:59 |
| Daviey | base should probably be base.. so if it shouldn't be in another Dockerfile, then it isn't truly base. | 16:00 |
| inc0 | ovs is not installed in base tho | 16:00 |
| mandre | inc0: it's a packaging issue then | 16:00 |
| Daviey | Oh | 16:00 |
| mandre | midonet's ovs package should be able to uninstall the conflicting packages by itself | 16:00 |
| inc0 | hmm | 16:01 |
| inc0 | I'll try to make it work with _append _remove _override | 16:02 |
| inc0 | how about that? | 16:02 |
| inc0 | heat_api_override = [whole, new, set] | 16:02 |
| inc0 | heat_api_append = [just, add, these] | 16:02 |
| inc0 | heat_api_remove = [remove, these] | 16:02 |
| mandre | you don't need the override, it's synonym of the original variable name | 16:02 |
| inc0 | and in packages we'll have {{ heat_api | customizable }} | 16:02 |
| mandre | in this case heat_api | 16:03 |
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| inc0 | yeah, that's true | 16:03 |
| inc0 | or... | 16:03 |
| inc0 | no actually it isn't | 16:03 |
| inc0 | I'll try to implement it and demo on example | 16:03 |
| mandre | yeah, you might be right :) | 16:03 |
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| mdnadeem_ | inc0, Hi, last time i had tried to upgrade from liberty to mitaka on single node, however after upgrad haproxy container keep in rebooting state and my upgrade gets fail, leaving some container to 1.1.1 and some 2.0.0 | 16:17 |
| inc0 | mdnadeem_, publish a bug with all the logs and such please | 16:17 |
| inc0 | I'll take a look at it later | 16:17 |
| mdnadeem_ | I have doubt if i am follow the correct process to upgrade, here is the steps i have followed : http://pastebin.com/5PBn4F7g | 16:18 |
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| mdnadeem_ | inc0, now i ruined my previous setup, however i would like to re-try on a new setup, It will be help full if you just confirme me, am i follow the right way to upgrade? | 16:20 |
| mdnadeem_ | >> http://pastebin.com/5PBn4F7g | 16:20 |
| inc0 | mdnadeem_, looks good | 16:21 |
| mdnadeem_ | inc0, Thanks for confirmation, i have one more query | 16:22 |
| mdnadeem_ | after, re-installing kolla (stable/mitaka), am i supposed to delete all configuration from /etc/kolla/ which was earlier made by kolla liberty ? | 16:23 |
| inc0 | negative | 16:23 |
| inc0 | ansible will deal with it | 16:23 |
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| mdnadeem_ | inc0, ok, you mean After re-installing kolla(stable/mitaka), i just need to change the <openstack_version: 2.0.0> in global.yml and keep rest configuration as it is right? | 16:25 |
| inc0 | yeah | 16:25 |
| mdnadeem_ | inc0, Thanks you, i will try it :) | 16:26 |
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| d_code | does cinder support LVM in the mitaka release of kolla? | 16:28 |
| inc0 | d_code, nope:( | 16:30 |
| d_code | damn…. sooooo for volume support, need to use ceph? what’s the options? | 16:31 |
| openstackgerrit | Ken Wronkiewicz proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes: Convert Memcached to work without HostNetwork=True https://review.openstack.org/326757 | 16:31 |
| inc0 | d_code, pretty much only ceph | 16:31 |
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| inc0 | we have lvm iscsi in newton | 16:32 |
| d_code | yeah…saw the patch…I thought cinder supported it b/c of details on labeling the lvm vg “cinder-volumes”….which…that part works… just fails to mount. makes sense b/c the iscsi bits aren’t there | 16:33 |
| d_code | I’ll look into ceph | 16:33 |
| inc0 | yeah, that's how you should deal with it now | 16:34 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/kolla: setup_{RedHat,Debian}.sh, make more idempotent https://review.openstack.org/326347 | 16:57 |
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| openstackgerrit | Md Nadeem proposed openstack/kolla: WIP: Added unit test for check container https://review.openstack.org/327247 | 17:06 |
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| fabrilla | deploying from master -> running TASK: [ceph | Copying over ceph.conf] leads to the following error: | 17:33 |
| fabrilla | File "/usr/local/share/kolla/ansible/action_plugins/merge_configs.py", line 22, in <module> from ansible.plugins.action import ActionBase ImportError: No module named plugins.action | 17:33 |
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| sdake | fabrilla are you using ansible 2.0+? | 17:44 |
| fabrilla | no 1.9 | 17:46 |
| inc0 | latest master? | 17:47 |
| sdake | fabrilla master only works with nasible 2.0+ | 17:48 |
| sdake | fabrilla i'm not sure whyt he docs change for thathasn't merged yet | 17:48 |
| wirehead_ | It needs to be rebased. | 17:49 |
| vhosakot | fabrilla: I've seen that error in Ansible 1.9.. please move to Ansible 2.0 | 17:49 |
| wirehead_ | Oh, sdake, ansible and kubernetes and IP addresses... | 17:50 |
| vhosakot | fabrilla: I filed this bug for it --> https://bugs.launchpad.net/kolla/+bug/1586587 | 17:50 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1586587 in kolla "Update prechecks for Ansible 2.0.0" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Vikram Hosakote (vhosakot) | 17:50 |
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| fabrilla | ok, I'll move to ansible 2.0 . Thanks. I'm in the process testing on IBM Power8. Got all the containers rebuilt (not too many changes between Ubuntu 14.04 on x86 and ppc64el) | 17:54 |
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| ccesario | fabrilla, nice info!!!! | 17:56 |
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| -openstackstatus- NOTICE: Zuul has been restarted to correct an error condition. Events since 17:30 may have been missed; please 'recheck' your changes if they were uploaded since then, or have "NOT_REGISTERED" errors. | 18:10 | |
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| openstackgerrit | Michal Jastrzebski (inc0) proposed openstack/kolla: Add customizations for apt keys and packages https://review.openstack.org/326688 | 18:15 |
| openstackgerrit | Michal Jastrzebski (inc0) proposed openstack/kolla: Macro install packages https://review.openstack.org/326734 | 18:15 |
| openstackgerrit | Michal Jastrzebski (inc0) proposed openstack/kolla: Customizations continued https://review.openstack.org/327271 | 18:15 |
| openstackgerrit | David Wang proposed openstack/kolla-kubernetes: Added kolla-kubernetes specific instructions for Docs https://review.openstack.org/326769 | 18:16 |
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| openstackgerrit | Christian Berendt proposed openstack/kolla: Document the use of external Ceph journal drives https://review.openstack.org/324539 | 18:22 |
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| inc0 | sdake, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/327271/ | 18:38 |
| patchbot | inc0: patch 327271 - kolla - Customizations continued | 18:38 |
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| sdake | inc0 looks good to me | 18:40 |
| inc0 | so this mechanism is done | 18:40 |
| inc0 | now it's on you to spread this around | 18:40 |
| sdake | need repos and keys | 18:41 |
| sdake | and custom docker commands | 18:41 |
| inc0 | go for it... | 18:41 |
| Mech422 | Morning | 18:42 |
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| inc0 | I can't spend much more time on it | 18:42 |
| Mech422 | inc0: oh - your macro? | 18:43 |
| Mech422 | inc0: Did that need a 'RUN' in the dockerfile ? | 18:43 |
| Mech422 | (the macro didn't return the run as part of the string) | 18:43 |
| sdake | Mech422 its on line 11 | 18:44 |
| sdake | inc0 what does scoped mean | 18:44 |
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| Mech422 | sdake: ahh cool - I didnt see it yesterday | 18:45 |
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| sdake | inc0 what is synta of using prepend and override | 18:45 |
| sdake | more specificiallly where do these words go | 18:45 |
| sdake | heat_api_packages_override? | 18:45 |
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| inc0 | customization file | 18:46 |
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| sdake | inc0 that isn't what i mean | 18:46 |
| inc0 | {% set heat_api_packages_override %} | 18:46 |
| sdake | thanks | 18:46 |
| inc0 | {% set heat_api_packages_override = [new, packages] %} | 18:46 |
| Mech422 | btw - is ansible 2.0.2 ok for Master? I'm getting a template parse error in the precheck of docker version ? | 18:47 |
| inc0 | Mech422, yeah I don't want to add RUN in macro as we can use it in base too where we have apt-get update && istall && stuff | 18:47 |
| Mech422 | inc0: yeah - I didn't see it in the dockerfile yesterday, but I missed you by like 2 minutes and you went home :-P | 18:48 |
| inc0 | yeah, found out today, facepalmed and fixed it | 18:48 |
| Mech422 | inc0: I went home once....they locked the doors... | 18:48 |
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| inc0 | so really I didn;t go anywhere, I work from home usually;) | 18:49 |
| inc0 | I just turned off my dev vm and started video game:P | 18:49 |
| Mech422 | inc0: yeah? me too :-) Its definately a pants optional sort of office... | 18:49 |
| murphyslawbbs | hi guys, what is the current ansible version required for kolla master? | 18:50 |
| inc0 | murphyslawbbs, 2.1 | 18:50 |
| Mech422 | inc0: oh - did you see the HTC Vive's are shipping in like 3 days of order now ? | 18:50 |
| murphyslawbbs | inc0: much obliged | 18:50 |
| inc0 | Mech422, I ordered mine 1hr after preorder opened | 18:50 |
| Mech422 | inc0: Oh! I'm on wrong version - that might explain parse error... | 18:50 |
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| inc0 | so I have it for some time now | 18:50 |
| inc0 | man, it's super cool | 18:51 |
| Mech422 | inc0: I promised myself one for my b'day last month - but I'm waiting till this next cluster is up at work - I wouldn't get any work done if I got a vive | 18:51 |
| Mech422 | inc0: I really want the metaglasses... but the vive is neat too | 18:51 |
| inc0 | it is neat | 18:52 |
| inc0 | it's totally different | 18:52 |
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| Mech422 | inc0: I'm thinking I might just get the dev kit for the meta - the production units never seem to launch | 18:52 |
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| inc0 | no idea, depends what you want from it | 18:52 |
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| Mech422 | inc0: it does look pretty cool - I found some 3rd party 'glove' controllers for it too | 18:52 |
| inc0 | you do have vive content | 18:52 |
| Mech422 | inc0: but they gloves aren't out yet :-/ | 18:53 |
| murphyslawbbs | I keep getting errors creating the log volume | 18:53 |
| inc0 | murphyslawbbs, show me logs (mwhehehe) | 18:53 |
| Mech422 | inc0: yeah - and the vive stuff looks much nicer then the rift stuff | 18:53 |
| inc0 | I wasn't convinced about full room but now I thing it's best thing ever | 18:54 |
| inc0 | tilt brush is amazing | 18:54 |
| Mech422 | inc0: couple of my friends work for Daz 3D - so they have all the toys - even had a hololens... | 18:54 |
| Mech422 | inc0: my friend says its a decent workout since you need to move around ? | 18:54 |
| inc0 | oh trust me it is | 18:55 |
| inc0 | so there is game called holopoint | 18:55 |
| murphyslawbbs | inc0: you got it :) http://pastebin.com/XgsEG0RX | 18:55 |
| inc0 | where you shoot arrows and dodge stuff | 18:55 |
| inc0 | I got really tired after better game | 18:55 |
| murphyslawbbs | inc0: happens in multiple versions of kolla | 18:55 |
| Mech422 | inc0: heh | 18:55 |
| inc0 | murphyslawbbs, ansible 2.1? | 18:56 |
| inc0 | and master? | 18:56 |
| murphyslawbbs | inc0: yh 2.1 and master | 18:56 |
| murphyslawbbs | I tried various combinations though, 1.9.4, 2.0.1 and master or stable | 18:57 |
| murphyslawbbs | inco0: i think my system is messed up somehoe but can't figure out what | 18:57 |
| inc0 | hmm | 18:58 |
| inc0 | try 1.9.4 and stable/mitaka | 18:58 |
| inc0 | if that doesn't work then you have some issues | 18:58 |
| murphyslawbbs | inc0: ok | 18:58 |
| inc0 | as this combination was tested over and over | 18:58 |
| sdake | it also may be that prechecks are broken with ansible 2.1 | 18:58 |
| sdake | i dont know if anone has tested that yet | 18:59 |
| sdake | but merge_configs has been ported | 18:59 |
| sdake | murphyslawbbs my guess is you have the wrong version of jinja | 18:59 |
| murphyslawbbs | should I wipe all docker images between these permutations? | 18:59 |
| sdake | it isnt necessaryt owipe images, but yu can ifyou like | 19:00 |
| sdake | you do have to rebuild between different veresions though | 19:00 |
| inc0 | murphyslawbbs, but for sure you need to call build with --no-cache | 19:00 |
| murphyslawbbs | sdake ah lemme uninstall some crap and run from a virtualenv | 19:00 |
| murphyslawbbs | inc0: nice ty | 19:01 |
| Mech422 | sdake: I noticed a weird template error in docker version check with master and ansible 2.0.2 - trying 2.1.0.0 now | 19:01 |
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| Mech422 | inc0: your at Intel right? any idea when the xpoint stuff is coming out ? | 19:14 |
| inc0 | nope | 19:14 |
| inc0 | I mean I'm from Intel, but no idea | 19:14 |
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| Mech422 | inc0: blah - my son wants me to build him a new machine for his b'day...seems a shame to use regular SSDs with xpoint supposedly soo close | 19:15 |
| inc0 | well, you always have nvme | 19:15 |
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| Mech422 | inc0: you game of nvme? is there a noticable diff between sata ssd and nvme ssd in gaming ? | 19:16 |
| Mech422 | s/of/on/ | 19:16 |
| inc0 | I mean xpoint will be NVMe, but calling PCIe NVMe drives a regular ssd is...understatement | 19:16 |
| Mech422 | inc0: lol | 19:16 |
| inc0 | no, I have regular ssd, | 19:16 |
| inc0 | disk doesn't matter that much for gaming | 19:16 |
| Mech422 | inc0: my machine predates m.2 - so I haven't used nvme except at work | 19:17 |
| inc0 | just load speeds, and I that's not much | 19:17 |
| Mech422 | inc0: yeah - my load times / load screens are pretty short on the samsung evo pro's | 19:17 |
| inc0 | better wait for geforce 1080:P | 19:18 |
| Mech422 | inc0: but the m2 nvme stuff is almost as cheap as sata ssd's now....*sigh* | 19:18 |
| Mech422 | soo many toys, so little time/money | 19:18 |
| inc0 | graphic card is what really matters | 19:18 |
| inc0 | and RAM | 19:18 |
| Mech422 | inc0: he's getting a gtx970 - he was on a $1k budget... | 19:19 |
| Mech422 | inc0: when he saw how expensive gfx cards can be, I think he cried :-P | 19:19 |
| Mech422 | inc0: he's 24 now, and not getting dads hand me downs - I don't think he realized how expensive gear can be | 19:20 |
| sdake | we got a mountain of bugs | 19:20 |
| sdake | https://launchpad.net/kolla/newton/newton-1 | 19:20 |
| Mech422 | inc0: doing the 970gtx, an asus z170 gaming board, i5-6600K, and 16G ram | 19:21 |
| Mech422 | inc0: then a SSD boot drive (prolly 256G) and a 3T spinner for bulk storage | 19:22 |
| sdake | nvme makes a huge difference for me for dev work | 19:26 |
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| Mech422 | sdake: yeah? Hmm... I think I can get him a 250G nvme/m2 ssd for like $100 more then sata | 19:32 |
| sdake | i only have experience with intel 750 nvme ssds | 19:33 |
| sdake | 750 400gb is about 380 bucks | 19:33 |
| Mech422 | sdake: we use those at work... nice drives :-) | 19:33 |
| Mech422 | sdake: but that would blow his budget | 19:33 |
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| mag009_ | good news | 19:53 |
| inc0 | oh? | 19:54 |
| mag009_ | I have a full deployement with calico | 19:54 |
| mag009_ | :) | 19:54 |
| mag009_ | finally | 19:54 |
| inc0 | wooot | 19:54 |
| mag009_ | i'll try to grab some time tomorrow or friday to submit all my changes | 19:55 |
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| inc0 | when do you guys thing you can go profd? | 20:01 |
| Lyncos | in 6 month :-) | 20:02 |
| Lyncos | J/K | 20:02 |
| mag009_ | it should be pre-prod* if we can call it that way | 20:02 |
| mag009_ | like really soon | 20:02 |
| mag009_ | no idea i have to get this stuff merge into the main repo first ;) | 20:02 |
| Lyncos | We still need LDAP | 20:03 |
| inc0 | so if you guys are running master | 20:03 |
| Lyncos | and fix little bugs + some testing | 20:03 |
| inc0 | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/324665/3 this and following patches will give you total customization of whatever | 20:03 |
| patchbot | inc0: patch 324665 - kolla - Mechanism for Dockerfile customization | 20:03 |
| sdake_ | mag009_ can you write a blueprint first | 20:04 |
| sdake_ | mag009_ otherwise the changes won't be tracked properly | 20:04 |
| sdake_ | it canbe as simple as "Implement Calico in Kolla" | 20:05 |
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| mag009_ | sdake_: yep thats what I'm going to do next (tomorrow or friday) | 20:05 |
| sdake_ | Lyncos that customizaton work should allow anyone to do anything they like with kolla | 20:07 |
| sdake_ | without having to muck with the main code base | 20:07 |
| Lyncos | awesome | 20:07 |
| openstackgerrit | Michal Jastrzebski (inc0) proposed openstack/kolla: Customizations continued https://review.openstack.org/327271 | 20:09 |
| inc0 | soo, if you want that I need tests, reviews and feedback:P | 20:09 |
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| inc0 | 4 patches in queue | 20:09 |
| inc0 | about that | 20:09 |
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| sdake_ | Lyncos let me restate that, do anthing they want with the images | 20:15 |
| sdake_ | Lyncos the playbooks are what they are, and i dont see any wayto customize those | 20:15 |
| sdake_ | this is on order -> http://www.hifiplus.com/articles/kuzma-4point-14-tonearm/ | 20:16 |
| * sdake_ jumps for joy :) | 20:16 | |
| inc0 | where do you get music from in good enough quality? | 20:17 |
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| Mech422 | mag009_: Did you implement by 'wrapping' calico playbooks around calls to kolla-* ? | 20:23 |
| Mech422 | mag009_: I'm thinking thats how'll I'll do midonet - run setup plays that put all the mido stuff in place, and hands off br-ex to kolla ? | 20:23 |
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| Lyncos | The cleanup command is quite dangerous | 20:31 |
| Lyncos | :-) | 20:31 |
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| Mech422 | Lyncos: watch cleanup-host - it takes umm.... 'liberties' with your network config... | 20:35 |
| Mech422 | Lyncos: tapX, vxlan, and I think 'brX' are all considered kolla's property | 20:35 |
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| inc0 | all your bridges are belong to us! | 20:44 |
| Lyncos | All our bridges are about to fall in the river | 20:45 |
| Mech422 | inc0: london bridge is falling down ? | 20:45 |
| * Mech422 sucks at this game | 20:45 | |
| Mech422 | maybe something about a bridge over troubled lans ? | 20:46 |
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| Mech422 | inc0: the limitations of the new 'security' features around 'become' seem sorta arbitrary... | 20:49 |
| inc0 | Mech422, what do you mean? | 20:49 |
| Mech422 | inc0: if your unprivildged user has sudo ability, why doesnt it use sudo to set the right perms ? | 20:50 |
| Mech422 | inc0: ansible 2.1 unpriviledged user 'becoming' another unpriviledged user sucks :-P | 20:50 |
| inc0 | well, thing is, you can run become in inventory | 20:50 |
| inc0 | just put become=True in inventory and that's all | 20:50 |
| inc0 | oh? they changed that?;) | 20:51 |
| Mech422 | inc0: yeah - there's a global allow_insecure_<mumble> flag too | 20:51 |
| inc0 | lol | 20:51 |
| inc0 | didn't see it | 20:51 |
| Mech422 | inc0: but I run as 'stack' for 'my' setup stuff, and 'kolla' for the kolla stuff | 20:51 |
| Mech422 | inc0: and ansible is NOT happy camper | 20:51 |
| inc0 | uhh | 20:52 |
| Mech422 | inc0: here's your cringe for the day: my playbooks use shell: to run kolla-ansible :-P | 20:52 |
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| inc0 | well | 20:54 |
| inc0 | kolla-ansible is nothing more than shortcut to ansible-playbook | 20:54 |
| Mech422 | inc0: Oh - I figured it setup paths and stuff | 20:54 |
| inc0 | nope | 20:54 |
| inc0 | it's just short | 20:54 |
| Mech422 | LOL | 20:54 |
| inc0 | if you run it first line it outputs is actual call it makes | 20:54 |
| inc0 | if you make this call...works just fine | 20:55 |
| Mech422 | inc0: yeah - I've seen all the @file stuff - so I figured there was prolly some path magic in there too | 20:55 |
| inc0 | nope | 20:55 |
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| Mech422 | thats good to know | 20:55 |
| Mech422 | it actually worked pretty well, until ansible decided to change the rules | 20:56 |
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| Mech422 | I might just add the global insecure flag thing to 'my' playbooks - but that feels like cheating | 20:56 |
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| Mech422 | heh - if you set allow_world_readable_tempfiles it works, but it whines about you cheating :-P | 21:00 |
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| Mech422 | Is master supposed to work with ansible 2.1.0.0 ? the version check says 2.0 ? ansible/roles/prechecks/vars/main.yml:ansible_version_max: '2.0.0' | 22:08 |
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| sdake | inc0 what type of toon did you hae on diablo 3? | 22:09 |
| inc0 | sdake, barb | 22:10 |
| sdake | inc0 here is my barb http://www.diabloprogress.com/hero/riley-1783/hammer/75925658 | 22:10 |
| sdake | my seasonal toon atleast | 22:11 |
| inc0 | nice, I had little over 1.2m but that was couple months ago | 22:11 |
| inc0 | dps 1.2m | 22:11 |
| inc0 | so few patches probably;) | 22:12 |
| inc0 | brb | 22:12 |
| sdake | yar - there i a new barb build | 22:12 |
| sdake | raekor has changed | 22:12 |
| sdake | also grifts above 75 were nerfed a bit | 22:12 |
| sdake | need to grind out 7 more level 80 caldesans | 22:13 |
| sdake | should take a week or so | 22:13 |
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| harlowja | wtf | 22:22 |
| harlowja | lol | 22:22 |
| harlowja | i don't speak kligon | 22:22 |
| harlowja | lol | 22:22 |
| inc0 | I stopped playing couple of weeks after greater rifts were introduced | 22:23 |
| inc0 | but I should have full raekor on my old toon | 22:23 |
| inc0 | anyway, it was on eu server | 22:23 |
| inc0 | sdake, mind if I assign this one to myself? | 22:24 |
| inc0 | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/third-party-plugin-support | 22:24 |
| inc0 | so I'm mostly doing it... | 22:24 |
| inc0 | because* | 22:24 |
| sdake | inc0 sure - i just unassiged ryan as he isn't working on it | 22:24 |
| harlowja | btw, sdake inc0 https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-gd-thoughts-concerns-remarks + others | 22:24 |
| harlowja | just using this is a jot-down-location to help GD in a plan here | 22:25 |
| harlowja | feel free to check it out, and thoughts would be cool and more | 22:25 |
| * harlowja getting klindgren to write down stuff also :-P | 22:25 | |
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| inc0 | harlowja, so ad puppet | 22:26 |
| harlowja | ? | 22:26 |
| inc0 | technically you can just replicate ansible logic with puppet | 22:26 |
| inc0 | containers are separate thing and you're free to use them | 22:26 |
| harlowja | right | 22:27 |
| inc0 | but that;s a manual work from your part, you're free to start kolla-puppet;) | 22:27 |
| harlowja | that might be a decent phase1 | 22:27 |
| harlowja | use the built images | 22:27 |
| inc0 | well depends, you need to decide which is better, stick to ansible and learn it or rewrite it with puppet | 22:27 |
| harlowja | right | 22:28 |
| harlowja | who is 'steak' | 22:28 |
| harlowja | lol | 22:28 |
| harlowja | is that sdake ? | 22:28 |
| harlowja | but more meaty | 22:28 |
| harlowja | lol | 22:28 |
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| harlowja | ya, i guess so | 22:28 |
| harlowja | ha | 22:28 |
| sdake | harlowja yes - i identified myself in the who's who section | 22:28 |
| harlowja | ya, i think u put steak | 22:29 |
| harlowja | lol | 22:29 |
| harlowja | which i found funny | 22:29 |
| harlowja | that's all | 22:29 |
| kklimonda | any idea how much work is it going to be to (locally) backport cinder iscsi back to liberty and mitaka? I haven't yet looked into it any deeper, but a list of patches with "iscsi" isn't that long. | 22:29 |
| klindgren | I see my name being pingged. | 22:29 |
| inc0 | klindgren, sooo...we get that a lot | 22:30 |
| sdake | kklimonda i wouldn't expect it would be all that difficult | 22:30 |
| * klindgren looks into what harlowja signed me up for | 22:30 | |
| sdake | kklimonda but it isn't something we would do upstream | 22:30 |
| inc0 | shouldn't be too hard | 22:30 |
| sdake | should pretty much be git cherrypick operations for the 6-10 patches involved | 22:30 |
| sdake | howmany ver there are | 22:30 |
| inc0 | sdake, maybe some unofficial docs how to pull that off since this requests is repeated | 22:30 |
| kklimonda | sdake: sure, I already know I'll have to carry a lot of patches anyway - the deployment uses 3rd party network plugin ;) | 22:31 |
| sdake | kklimonda we are sorting out a reasonable way to handle plugins in newton - you may want to backport that set of patches too | 22:31 |
| klindgren | so re: ansible - we already have some ansible in use and some playbooks. We actually use ansible to kick master-less puppet runs | 22:31 |
| inc0 | sdake, that will be harder | 22:31 |
| wirehead_ | klindgren: clearly you should have the foresight to have made your online handle “heat” or “nova” or “cinder” | 22:31 |
| inc0 | since it changes build heavily | 22:31 |
| inc0 | klindgren, well if you'd go for ansible you'll get tested solution | 22:32 |
| inc0 | as opposed to write everything from scrach | 22:32 |
| klindgren | I think what Mike was wanting was something more like why cant we jsut bind mount /etc/nova into the nova container | 22:32 |
| klindgren | and I manage theconfigs that way | 22:32 |
| sdake | klindgren that is exactly what happens | 22:33 |
| sdake | except iirc its /var/lib/kolla/nova | 22:33 |
| inc0 | sdake, no, we copy stuff | 22:33 |
| sdake | inc0 oh right - on startup | 22:33 |
| inc0 | klindgren, reason it happends is that when you change something in files there, you don't want to change containers behaviour | 22:34 |
| inc0 | it's kinda container immutability | 22:34 |
| sdake | klindgren the main reason we don't do exactly what you describe is because we want a single source of truth | 22:34 |
| * klindgren hasn't looked at it. but I was told tht you create your config files in kolla, kolla creates some json thing (Iirc), then some kolla script is ran wwhich takes those config and puts them back into files | 22:34 | |
| klindgren | ? | 22:34 |
| inc0 | klindgren, so it works like that | 22:34 |
| sdake | klindgren that is semi-accoruate | 22:34 |
| inc0 | we put configs in dir | 22:34 |
| inc0 | bindmount this dir | 22:34 |
| inc0 | and then on startup copy contents of dir to /etc/nova | 22:34 |
| inc0 | if you want to pave in your own nova.conf | 22:35 |
| inc0 | just put it there | 22:35 |
| sdake | the downside of that approach is you lose single source of ruth | 22:35 |
| sdake | which means you no longer have kolla managing your configuraiton | 22:35 |
| klindgren | we already have the truth in puppet right now | 22:36 |
| sdake | i see so your question is more like | 22:36 |
| sdake | "Why can't we just have puppet lay down config files and have kolla containers pick them up" | 22:36 |
| klindgren | I think for a phased approach - that would work best - or thats the feeling I get fro mthe guy who handles the puppet stuff | 22:36 |
| klindgren | :-D | 22:36 |
| inc0 | totally doable | 22:36 |
| wirehead_ | This also probably runs head-on into the problem that Kubernetes is presently having with Kolla configs. :) | 22:37 |
| sdake | klindgren i think upgrades wouldn't work correctlly in this scenario | 22:37 |
| wirehead_ | Or, a potential version of the problem. | 22:38 |
| inc0 | you really need to evaluate which one you want - rewrite your puppet with ansible or rewrite kollas ansible with puppet | 22:38 |
| klindgren | its just that on some of the servers we also have an additional team that handling things in puppet as well on those boxes. | 22:38 |
| klindgren | and they do additional stuff on the server in puppet | 22:38 |
| inc0 | at the end we only care about running container with correct mounts and such | 22:38 |
| sdake | klindgren yup I understand - you have infrastructure already in place with people already trained | 22:38 |
| inc0 | I don't expect you to call bootstraps as I assume you're migrating existing running stuff | 22:39 |
| sdake | for upgrades, config files have to be modified and services restarted in a specific order | 22:39 |
| inc0 | which means all you need to do is to lay down configs and start stuff | 22:39 |
| sdake | same for reconfigure | 22:39 |
| sdake | if all youc ar eabout is deployment, inc0's approach would work | 22:39 |
| sdake | if you care about upgrades/reconfigure working, that would require more attention in the puppet codebase | 22:40 |
| inc0 | well, technically pupper nor ansible is stateful | 22:40 |
| inc0 | so you can upgrade with ansible stuff that you deployed by puppet | 22:40 |
| sdake | yes, that is the part about requiring attention in the puppet code base | 22:40 |
| inc0 | anyway, will require work. | 22:40 |
| sdake | it isn't as simple as laying down a config file | 22:41 |
| sdake | laying down a config file would work for the deploycase | 22:41 |
| sdake | not sure about otheractions | 22:41 |
| klindgren | also - how does it work if we dont manage our mysql database. - this is a high level question because I haven't dug into kolla at all. | 22:41 |
| sdake | klindgren we want kolla to work with third party database environments | 22:41 |
| sdake | klindgren whether it does now or not is an open question | 22:41 |
| inc0 | klindgren, it's doable;) config overrides works | 22:42 |
| harlowja | pretty sure we can (somewhat easily) just not build the mariadb stuffs | 22:42 |
| inc0 | just override what we lay down in terms of database connection | 22:42 |
| inc0 | and don't deploy mariadb | 22:42 |
| sdake | it can be done vvery easilly today - but its not totally easy to do | 22:42 |
| sdake | we would like to make it totally easy to do in addition :) | 22:42 |
| sdake | cross out very easily above :) | 22:43 |
| harlowja | i only use it if its ultra-totally-easily-done | 22:43 |
| harlowja | lol | 22:43 |
| harlowja | ;) | 22:43 |
| klindgren | and re: starting services I assume these are tied into systemd? | 22:43 |
| sdake | klindgren not at present | 22:43 |
| sdake | klindgren kolla is only half a solution at present | 22:43 |
| sdake | it deploys openstack | 22:43 |
| sdake | w edon't hae anythign to deploy the bare metal | 22:43 |
| sdake | and no integration with the host operatng system | 22:43 |
| inc0 | harlowja, how does writing manual configs and add enable_mariadb: false sounds to you? | 22:44 |
| inc0 | because it's all it takes | 22:44 |
| harlowja | inc0 that's pretty ultra-totally-easy | 22:44 |
| harlowja | lol | 22:44 |
| klindgren | so how do I start/restart a service that is running in a kolla container | 22:44 |
| inc0 | docker restart nova_api | 22:44 |
| inc0 | you restart container | 22:44 |
| sdake | klindgren we dont have a kolla way to do that | 22:44 |
| klindgren | asking because we need to run neutron with a higher than standard ulimit (same with rabbitmq) | 22:44 |
| sdake | klindgren I would like to get to the point where we have these sorts of functioanl gaps filled | 22:45 |
| inc0 | sdake, that is docker stuff | 22:45 |
| * harlowja josh writes a bunch of code now, lol | 22:45 | |
| klindgren | otherwsie after a week or so the neutron api eventlet worker will exit gracefully | 22:45 |
| harlowja | i mean klindgren writes a bunch of code | 22:45 |
| harlowja | lol | 22:45 |
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| sdake | for things like adding compute nodes, removing cmopute nodes, adding ods, removing osds, password rotation, shut down the cluster, restart a service, etc | 22:45 |
| harlowja | right, those would just be more ansible stuffs to do right (and i guess new kolla commands) | 22:45 |
| inc0 | sdake, hold your horses, we have restart | 22:45 |
| sdake | these are all features I'd like to see | 22:45 |
| inc0 | docker have restart | 22:45 |
| sdake | yes but you have to login to the node to do it | 22:46 |
| wirehead_ | Kolla-kubernetes | 22:46 |
| wirehead_ | :) | 22:46 |
| klindgren | kollanetes? | 22:46 |
| inc0 | unless you run reconfigure without config changes | 22:46 |
| harlowja | wirehead_ that's 2 major systems, double the complexity imho | 22:46 |
| sdake | reconfigure will not restart if there aren't config changes | 22:46 |
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| sdake | spretty sure on that point | 22:46 |
| sdake | would need to double check with jeffrey4l | 22:46 |
| inc0 | or don't know enough ansible to write ansible -m shell -i <<inv>> all -a "docker restart nova_api" | 22:46 |
| harlowja | inc0 stop making so much sense, ha | 22:47 |
| harlowja | :-P | 22:47 |
| inc0 | ansible is ssh in loop on drugs | 22:47 |
| harlowja | ya, pretty much | 22:47 |
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| inc0 | learn to use it and world gets new colors | 22:47 |
| inc0 | some of them are ugly colors, but colors nonetheless | 22:47 |
| kklimonda | ^ doing that more gracefully would probably involve inteaction with HAProxy, and staggered restart of services on hosts - I guess that part could be implemented in kolla | 22:47 |
| wirehead_ | Prolly depends on the user’s preferences. Even if you are not an Ansible shop, there’s plenty of reasons to use the heck out of Ansible as a ssh in loop on drugs, as you say. | 22:48 |
| inc0 | kklimonda, ansible suports serial | 22:48 |
| sdake | inc0 what i think kklimonda means is there is no kolla implementation of restart ;) | 22:48 |
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| inc0 | nor there should be imho | 22:48 |
| inc0 | it's already doable with ansible | 22:49 |
| harlowja | inc0 i always liked https://pypi.python.org/pypi/plumbum (cause it has simialr remote machine capabilities, but u write python) | 22:49 |
| kklimonda | inc0: sure, but it's just not a simple `ansible -m shell -a "..."' | 22:49 |
| harlowja | and i like the python :-P | 22:49 |
| sdake | kklimonda agree | 22:49 |
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| sdake | things need to be restarted in order | 22:49 |
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| klindgren | we have a restartworld script that does exactly that | 22:49 |
| sdake | yup | 22:49 |
| sdake | i htink kolla need sosmething similar down the road | 22:50 |
| murphyslawbbs | Hi, which ansible versions would i need for stable/liberty? | 22:50 |
| klindgren | because sometimes after rabbitmq flakes out on you - you kinda gotta restart everything that has rpc | 22:50 |
| sdake | but given our other priorities, its pretty low :) | 22:50 |
| inc0 | murphyslawbbs, 1.9.4 | 22:50 |
| sdake | murphyslawbbs 1.9.4 | 22:50 |
| harlowja | sounds like u just need a dependency graph and walk it (and restart in reverse order) | 22:50 |
| harlowja | restart from leaf --> top of tree | 22:50 |
| inc0 | harlowja, we already have it | 22:50 |
| klindgren | eh | 22:50 |
| inc0 | upgrades follows order | 22:50 |
| klindgren | top of tree - leaf :-) | 22:50 |
| kklimonda | yeah, I'd also probably first talk to haproxy, to remove backend from it, and then wait couple of seconds for all connected clients to finish their requests, and only after that actually restart the service, and then re-enable it in haproxy.. it's obviously doable in raw ansible, by writing your own playbook, but I could imagine that being something kolla would like to support, as part of its | 22:51 |
| kklimonda | 'operation oriented design' | 22:51 |
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| inc0 | or actually drain connections in haproxy | 22:51 |
| harlowja | klindgren guess i was thinking rabbitmq would be like the top of tree, either way, a graph/tree and just follow the order | 22:51 |
| inc0 | thing is, I personally would rather have ops do stuff like that | 22:51 |
| murphyslawbbs | I'm getting this: TASK [prechecks : Checking free port for Cinder API] -- fatal: [localhost]: FAILED! => {"failed": true, "msg": "ERROR! 'dict object' has no attribute 'ipv4'"} | 22:51 |
| sdake | kklimonda ++ | 22:51 |
| harlowja | isn't kolla the robot-ops? | 22:51 |
| harlowja | lol | 22:51 |
| kklimonda | inc0: what do you mean by ops in this context? | 22:52 |
| inc0 | people | 22:52 |
| harlowja | what are these things u call people | 22:52 |
| inc0 | so there will be 100s of operational stuff needed every now and then | 22:52 |
| harlowja | i live in my basement | 22:52 |
| wirehead_ | Next year’s cloud will be a room full of mentats smoking. | 22:52 |
| inc0 | I'd rather keep kolla out of it;) | 22:52 |
| inc0 | and educate people to use ansible to do that | 22:52 |
| klindgren | harlowja, you live in California - therefor you dont have a basement? | 22:53 |
| murphyslawbbs | this is on stable/liberty + ansible 1.9.4 using the quick docs at http://docs.openstack.org/developer/kolla/quickstart.html | 22:53 |
| harlowja | lol | 22:53 |
| sdake | inc0 ye sbut there are common use case operators have that makes sense to add operational features for | 22:53 |
| kklimonda | inc0: ok, fair enough - it's just not as simple as saying "there is already `docker restart [service]'" ;) | 22:53 |
| wirehead_ | Yeah, there’s always going to be room for checklists, runbooks, and judgement. | 22:53 |
| sdake | docker restart is totallly unsatisifying to me for this use case | 22:53 |
| kklimonda | and given that kolla (in default config) deploys haproxy and services already | 22:53 |
| kklimonda | figuring out some common set of operations tasks may be a good idea | 22:54 |
| wirehead_ | But providing ops users with a integrated, well-understood, and well-coded tool-belt is important. | 22:54 |
| inc0 | so my issue is, I like KISS projects, our job is to deploy containers | 22:54 |
| sdake | our job is to operate openstack clouds | 22:54 |
| inc0 | operators job is to operate, we only make it easier | 22:54 |
| murphyslawbbs | install script is at http://pastebin.com/gnFybSVm | 22:54 |
| sdake | deployment is eval to day 0 | 22:54 |
| inc0 | anyway, discussion for different time | 22:54 |
| sdake | after day 0, we provide features or handling stuff | 22:54 |
| klindgren | and final question re: restart. If one restarts the server. How do all the services/containers get started again and what assures their ordering on bootup? | 22:55 |
| sdake | or/for | 22:55 |
| inc0 | if you want to write these plays, I'll +2 it | 22:55 |
| inc0 | klindgren, so with multinode order shouldn't really matter | 22:55 |
| harlowja | inc0 can u sign here please | 22:55 |
| harlowja | __________ | 22:55 |
| inc0 | lol | 22:55 |
| sdake | roflcoptersoysoy :) | 22:55 |
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| inc0 | with proper HA you should have all services;) | 22:56 |
| harlowja | when i hear someone will +2 things, i'm def getting a signature :-P | 22:56 |
| inc0 | with aio...well we don't ensure it | 22:56 |
| wirehead_ | Why does that say “Agreement for the acquisition and securitization of inc0’s soul”? | 22:56 |
| harlowja | shhh | 22:56 |
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| inc0 | ehh...I'm in USA long enough to read the small print | 22:57 |
| wirehead_ | I tried that trick on go programmers, only to realize that they don’t have souls. | 22:57 |
| inc0 | anyway, meeting | 22:57 |
| sdake | 3 minutes | 22:57 |
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| sdake | inc0 did you brainstorm midcycle topics | 22:58 |
| sdake | if so, can you provide a link to them | 22:58 |
| sdake | inc0 at last week's meeting | 22:58 |
| inc0 | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-newton-midcycle | 22:59 |
| wirehead_ | they were brainstormed. | 22:59 |
| kklimonda | is the metting here, or a separate channel? | 23:00 |
| kklimonda | meeting* | 23:00 |
| inc0 | openstack-meeting-4 | 23:01 |
| Mech422 | inc0: spectators welcome ? and if so, whats openstack-meeting-4 ? | 23:01 |
| inc0 | Mech, everyone is welcome and #openstack-meeting-4 is channel | 23:02 |
| Mech422 | oh - irc meeting - cool | 23:02 |
| Mech422 | thanks! | 23:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jeffrey Zhang proposed openstack/kolla: Fix the prechecks for the ansible version https://review.openstack.org/327410 | 23:06 |
| kklimonda | wow, 7AM meeting seem rough :D | 23:07 |
| kklimonda | was it 6PM UTC before? | 23:08 |
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| inc0 | ok, I'll be off | 23:08 |
| inc0 | thanks guys, cya tomorrow | 23:08 |
| kklimonda | cya | 23:08 |
| vhosakot | meeting ? | 23:08 |
| vhosakot | sorry I'm late | 23:08 |
| sdake | kklimonda we have alternating meetings betwen 16:30 and 23:00 | 23:08 |
| inc0 | vhosakot, canceled due to lack of people | 23:08 |
| kklimonda | already finished ;D | 23:08 |
| vhosakot | ah ok | 23:08 |
| sdake | we used to only hae 16:30 | 23:08 |
| sdake | and we are going bck to having only at 16:30 | 23:08 |
| vhosakot | sdake: cool | 23:08 |
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| vhosakot | sdake: from next Wednesday, meeting is at 16:30 UTC every Wednesday ? | 23:10 |
| kklimonda | I seem to remember there beeing a meeting at 9:30AM PST last week? | 23:10 |
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| sdake | kklimonda ya that is 16:30 utc | 23:10 |
| vhosakot | we need to update https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Kolla | 23:10 |
| kklimonda | sdake: good point, apparently google gets confused by "16UTC to PST", and converts from my home TZ instead of UTC | 23:11 |
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| wirehead_ | Also, to my great annoyance, there is no way to enter GMT times into Google Calendar. | 23:15 |
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| vhosakot | I'm in EST and use this link to convert UTC to EST | 23:17 |
| vhosakot | http://www.worldtimebuddy.com/utc-to-est-converter | 23:17 |
| Mech422 | wirehead: schedule it in rejavik time | 23:19 |
| Mech422 | wirehead_: its GMT+0 all year | 23:19 |
| wirehead_ | OK. | 23:19 |
| * Mech422 just had to google the same thing.... | 23:19 | |
| wirehead_ | More reasons to like Iceland. | 23:21 |
| Mech422 | wirehead_: Doh - I prolly should have just asked sdake what time that is, since he's in same time zone | 23:21 |
| Mech422 | wirehead_: True | 23:21 |
| wirehead_ | Well, all of the Arizonians here don’t have DST | 23:21 |
| Mech422 | wirehead_: yeah - its SOOO nice not having to remember to muck with the clocks | 23:22 |
| sdake | on the plus side our entire state doesn't sufer jet lag twice a year ;) | 23:22 |
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| Mech422 | wirehead_: when I think of all the stuff we get to skip: snow, humidity, bugs, timezones, earthquakes, tornados,etc - I don't think i'll ever move | 23:23 |
| sdake | everyone keeps datacenters in arizona becaue nothign ever goes wrong | 23:23 |
| sdake | but it is hotter then hell :) | 23:23 |
| Mech422 | sdake: I'm actually surprised there's not more DCs... | 23:24 |
| Mech422 | sdake: its a lot better/cheaper then SFO | 23:24 |
| sdake | Mech422 arizona is the biggest switching center in the world iiuc | 23:24 |
| sdake | err, peering center | 23:24 |
| sdake | or whatever that network nerd term is :) | 23:24 |
| Mech422 | sdake: really? I didn't know that - I would have guessed one of the MAE's ? | 23:24 |
| sdake | yup | 23:24 |
| sdake | Mech422 which part of az are ou in | 23:25 |
| Mech422 | sdake: I'm in Mesa - out by sossaman and broadway... western new mexico :-P | 23:25 |
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| sdake | ya thats far | 23:25 |
| sdake | i'm at 52st and greenway | 23:25 |
| Mech422 | ave? or st ? | 23:25 |
| sdake | i previousy lived in flagstaff and before that chandler | 23:25 |
| sdake | street | 23:26 |
| sdake | and before that pheonix | 23:26 |
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| Mech422 | ahh - I used to live at 51 ave north of greenway - out by the Amex facility | 23:26 |
| sdake | i really love flagstaff | 23:26 |
| Mech422 | sdake: I hear its really beautiful | 23:26 |
| sdake | never been to flagstaff? | 23:26 |
| Mech422 | never been anywhere ... | 23:26 |
| sdake | the only problem with flagstaff is there are no jobs | 23:26 |
| Mech422 | I never 'see the sites' where I live | 23:27 |
| Mech422 | just home,work, grocery store | 23:27 |
| sdake | for me its stay locked up in my house 24 hrs a day | 23:27 |
| Mech422 | Except when I lived in spanish harlem - that was awesome place to party | 23:27 |
| Mech422 | sdake: pretty much the same for me - got broadband, and newegg delivers :-) | 23:28 |
| sdake | i went to school in flagstaff for 6 years | 23:28 |
| sdake | and then lived there for about 5 years as well | 23:28 |
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| sdake | when my wife got a job at red hat we moved to phoenix so she would have access to the airport | 23:28 |
| sdake | the other problem with flagstaff is housign is outrageous | 23:29 |
| Mech422 | sdake: I came out to phx in like 98 on contrat to Amex, when they were consolidating everything in the phx dc | 23:29 |
| sdake | my same house here in phoenix would cost a million in flagstaff | 23:29 |
| Mech422 | sdake: sounds like SJC/SFO | 23:29 |
| sdake | or maybe 750k | 23:29 |
| sdake | my hosue atm is worth 380k | 23:29 |
| sdake | paid 242k | 23:29 |
| sdake | and its almost paid off ;) | 23:29 |
| Mech422 | sdake: very nice :-) | 23:30 |
| wirehead_ | You don’t even get that much for a million dollar house in SFO/SJC anymore. | 23:30 |
| sdake | in 2020 we are moving to a bigger place | 23:30 |
| sdake | only have 2k quare feet | 23:30 |
| sdake | wirehead_ one of the reasons my house is so expensive is the location is prime | 23:30 |
| sdake | i want to live in this same neighborhood | 23:30 |
| sdake | just a bigger hosue on bigger lot | 23:30 |
| wirehead_ | Yeah, see 1k square feet in SJC is over a million. | 23:31 |
| sdake | you know keeping up with te jonesss and all that | 23:31 |
| sdake | ya thats crazysauce | 23:31 |
| ccesario | sbezverk_, https://bugs.launchpad.net/kolla/+bug/1590603 | 23:31 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1590603 in kolla "Cinder + LVM/iSCSI does not work on Ubuntu 16.04" [Undecided,New] | 23:31 |
| sdake | I much prefer arizona | 23:31 |
| Mech422 | sdake: I'm the opposite - I got 1700 square feet and don't use half of it | 23:31 |
| sdake | work for west coast company, make west coast salary with arizona COLA :) | 23:31 |
| ccesario | sbezverk_, with all details/tests | 23:31 |
| sdake | Mech422 my wife and i both work at hoem | 23:31 |
| kklimonda | heh, rents are insane in bay area too | 23:31 |
| sdake | Mech422 we really both need separae offices | 23:31 |
| sdake | and I want a listening room for my stereo gear | 23:32 |
| Mech422 | sdake: yeah - I got 3 bedrooms, so I turned one into a 'server' room, but I kept my 'office' in the master | 23:32 |
| sdake | i had 4 bedrooms | 23:32 |
| sdake | we recently remodeled and turned abedroom into a closet | 23:32 |
| sdake | 10x11 walk in closet | 23:32 |
| Mech422 | I really need to find some 'soundproofing' for that room... | 23:33 |
| wirehead_ | Room-inside-of-a-room, mech422. | 23:33 |
| sdake | Mech422 ya I want the same deal with my listening room | 23:33 |
| Mech422 | wirehead_: nah - I'm too lazy - I just wanna muffle the server fans | 23:33 |
| sdake | so my kids don't complain when I listen to music | 23:33 |
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| Mech422 | its actually loud enough in there I'm suppsed to wear ear protection | 23:33 |
| kklimonda | sdake: they are kids, they are going to complain about something anyway ;) | 23:33 |
| Mech422 | sdake: thats why I don't use anything anymore - sons grown/gone... its just me and sometimes the girlfriend | 23:34 |
| kklimonda | Mech422: how much hardware do you have? | 23:34 |
| sdake | Mech422 ya - we dont need alot of space once my children get a job and a place to live | 23:34 |
| Mech422 | kklimonda: 2x Decll C6100 4 nodes , 1 x HP6500S 8 nodes, and a couple of 1Us | 23:34 |
| kklimonda | ha, no wonder :) | 23:35 |
| sdake | Mech422 but that is a decade or moer away | 23:35 |
| sdake | first world problems, I know :) | 23:35 |
| Mech422 | kklimonda: yeah - cheap as hell (about $250/node for 2xquad core, 24/32G ram, ipmi,etc) but noisy as hell too | 23:35 |
| Mech422 | sdake: Heh | 23:36 |
| wirehead_ | Noisy servers… I’m just not that much of a fan. | 23:37 |
| kklimonda | Mech422: yeah, server hardware isn't really made to be quiet anyway | 23:37 |
| sdake | my gear is quiet | 23:38 |
| wirehead_ | I’m betting they are too carefully designed to go in and swap out fans and add PWM controllers. | 23:38 |
| sdake | but I hav eto run my fans at full on my minidells or my 10gig nic overheats | 23:38 |
| sdake | so, its super loud | 23:38 |
| Mech422 | kklimonda: true - but they're tanks... and I really wanted IPMI | 23:38 |
| Mech422 | wirehead_: I just use ipmi to shut them off when I get pissy about it | 23:38 |
| kklimonda | Mech422: yeah, even most basic IPMI is a requirement in my books | 23:39 |
| kklimonda | even for a lab | 23:39 |
| sdake | my servers have pxe but no ipmi | 23:39 |
| * sdake sadfaces | 23:39 | |
| Mech422 | kklimonda: especially when your doing 'lab' stuff and re-loading OS's all the time | 23:39 |
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| Mech422 | sdake: openipmi will let you reboot and stuff remotely | 23:40 |
| Mech422 | sdake: it just doesn't give ya the bios console | 23:40 |
| kklimonda | Mech422: I'd still do it over PXE, but IPMI makes the entire process much faster - chassis bootdev pxe, power reset, go for a drink | 23:40 |
| sdake | Mech422 yes Iknow, long ago I worked on that codebase | 23:40 |
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| sdake | Mech422 that code spawned from montavista software | 23:40 |
| Mech422 | kklimonda: oh yeah - I do Foreman for pxe provisioning - so its pretty much hit the button and wait | 23:40 |
| Mech422 | kklimonda: unless your testing new preseeds/network setups - then the ipmi is awesome :-) | 23:41 |
| Mech422 | sdake: oh neat - I didn't know that :-) | 23:41 |
| kklimonda | Mech422: ah yes, doing preseeds without iKVM/SoL means you will be stuck next to the machine with monitor and keyboard | 23:42 |
| kklimonda | at least centos installer will spawn ssh server for you | 23:43 |
| kklimonda | that gives you nice tmux with logs etc. | 23:43 |
| Mech422 | oh, thats convienent :-) CoreOS just spawns 'screw you' and doesn't even allow console login :-P | 23:43 |
| kklimonda | debian installer netconsole is terrible | 23:44 |
| Mech422 | kklimonda: you know - i've used deb for dogs years, and never tried the netconsole... | 23:44 |
| Mech422 | kklimonda: I never needed it for 'general use' and by the time I got into preseeds, I had IPMI | 23:44 |
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| kklimonda | Mech422: I've tried it recently, after seeing how nice centos ssh installer is | 23:45 |
| kklimonda | was not impressed ;) | 23:45 |
| sdake | sbezverk_ ping | 23:47 |
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| Mech422 | kklimonda: thats too bad - debian usually such nice stuff | 23:48 |
| Mech422 | sdake: you know, every time you mention monta vista I keep thinking I should look doug louder (lowder?) up... | 23:48 |
| Mech422 | sdake: last I heard, he was at apple | 23:48 |
| sdake | i think its lowder | 23:48 |
| sdake | i didn't really know him all that well | 23:49 |
| sdake | or at all | 23:49 |
| Mech422 | sdake: you know, he was a physics professor at berkley...he handed me his resume and I thought he was applying for my job :-P | 23:49 |
| Mech422 | sdake: ahh.... | 23:49 |
| Mech422 | sdake: _really_ nice guy - has some pretty cool stories about some probes they built in the antartic :-) | 23:49 |
| sdake | didn't know that | 23:50 |
| sdake | montavista hq was in funnyvale | 23:50 |
| sdake | so didn't meet alot of my coworkers | 23:50 |
| sdake | we had a tempe design office | 23:50 |
| sdake | of aout 20 people | 23:50 |
| Mech422 | I didn't realize MV had offices out here... | 23:51 |
| sdake | Mech422 ya the cost of hiring in arizona is alot cheaper then most states - if you put an office here | 23:51 |
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| sdake | there is a good tech workforce but not alot of open jobs | 23:52 |
| Mech422 | sdake: yeah - but tech here pays close to on par with Silly Valley... | 23:52 |
| sdake | out of school i made 42k a year in 1998.. | 23:53 |
| sdake | now rcg's are making 100k/yr | 23:53 |
| Mech422 | sdake: heh - only in Silly Valley/SFO.... | 23:53 |
| sdake | right | 23:53 |
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| Mech422 | sdake: programmers on the east coast seem to get treated like shit | 23:53 |
| sdake | ya i worked for an east coast company for 9 years | 23:54 |
| Mech422 | sdake: even Wall St. didn't treat us nearly as good | 23:54 |
| sdake | east coast tech is different mentality | 23:54 |
| Mech422 | yeah - yer a cost center vs a profit center :-P | 23:54 |
| sdake | P&L is where the good jobs are :) | 23:54 |
| sdake | or altneratively the CTO office | 23:55 |
| sdake | I'm in teh cto office atm | 23:55 |
| Mech422 | I really feel bad for all the guys back east that are gonna spend their whole careers writing maintenance code for accounting systems and never get to touch the fun stuff :-/ | 23:55 |
| sdake | rhallisey works in westford | 23:55 |
| sdake | which is 1 hr drive from boston | 23:55 |
| sdake | he gets to work on good stuff :) | 23:55 |
| sdake | there is alot of good jobs on the east coast, but the pay vs cost of living isn't ideal | 23:56 |
| Mech422 | sdake: yeah - RH has offices just up the road from my sister.. | 23:56 |
| Mech422 | umm - providence I think ? | 23:56 |
| sdake | Mech422 their office is in westford | 23:56 |
| sdake | which is in MA | 23:56 |
| rhallisey | :) | 23:56 |
| Mech422 | and DEC used to be out there | 23:56 |
| Mech422 | and Raytheon | 23:56 |
| Mech422 | Boston is bio-tech now though right ? | 23:56 |
| sdake | no idea | 23:56 |
| sdake | east coast to lbieral for my tastes | 23:57 |
| Mech422 | still - compared to the armies of programmers working for insurance companies, and banks and stuff out there... | 23:57 |
| Mech422 | the 'fun' jobs seem pretty scarce | 23:57 |
| sdake | long ago the cto red hat sent me an email "I see you working in carrier grade linux - we want to hire a lead for that, and wew want yoou, but you would have to move" | 23:57 |
| sdake | lol move to MA | 23:57 |
| sdake | got to be kidding :) | 23:58 |
| Mech422 | is RTP/IBM still a thing ? | 23:58 |
| Mech422 | heh | 23:58 |
| Mech422 | yeah - erricson is desperate for Openstack guys in Texas...screw that noise | 23:58 |
| sdake | later they hired me remotely | 23:58 |
| sdake | because red hat was t-4 months from shipping a product based upon software i wrote | 23:59 |
| sdake | called openais | 23:59 |
| sdake | it took them 4 months to get a req unlocked | 23:59 |
| Mech422 | openais rings a bell for some reason... | 23:59 |
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