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| mgoddard | #startmeeting kayobe | 14:01 |
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| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jul 8 14:01:23 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mgoddard. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: kayobe)" | 14:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'kayobe' | 14:01 |
| mgoddard | #topic rollcall | 14:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "rollcall (Meeting topic: kayobe)" | 14:01 | |
| mgoddard | \o | 14:01 |
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| priteau | o/ | 14:03 |
| mgoddard | #topic agenda | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "agenda (Meeting topic: kayobe)" | 14:04 | |
| mgoddard | * Roll-call | 14:04 |
| mgoddard | * Announcements | 14:04 |
| mgoddard | ** Kayobe to become a kolla deliverable | 14:04 |
| mgoddard | ** Kayobe will be discussed in the kolla meeting from next week, Wednesday at 1500UTC | 14:04 |
| mgoddard | ** #openstack-kayobe will close, please move to #openstack-kolla | 14:04 |
| mgoddard | * Review actions from last meeting | 14:04 |
| mgoddard | * Kayobe whiteboard https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kayobe-whiteboard | 14:04 |
| mgoddard | * Discussion | 14:04 |
| mgoddard | ** Stein release https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kayobe-stein-release | 14:04 |
| mgoddard | * Open Discussion | 14:04 |
| mgoddard | #topic announcements | 14:04 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "announcements (Meeting topic: kayobe)" | 14:04 | |
| mgoddard | #info Kayobe to become a kolla deliverable | 14:04 |
| mgoddard | Thanks kolla team for agreeing to have kayobe as a deliverable | 14:05 |
| mgoddard | #info Kayobe will be discussed in the kolla meeting from next week, Wednesday at 1500UTC | 14:05 |
| priteau | Yay team Kolla | 14:05 |
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| dougsz1 | hey, sorry | 14:05 |
| mgoddard | This will be the last kayobe meeting :( | 14:05 |
| mgoddard | hi dougsz1 | 14:05 |
| priteau | We keep the separate IRC channel still? | 14:05 |
| mgoddard | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org///#Kolla_Team_Meeting | 14:06 |
| mgoddard | #info #openstack-kayobe will close, please move to #openstack-kolla | 14:06 |
| mgoddard | we'll use openstack-kolla for kayobe discussions from now on | 14:07 |
| mgoddard | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Kolla | 14:07 |
| mgoddard | Any other announcements? | 14:08 |
| dougsz1 | nope, but nice to see the projects combine | 14:08 |
| mgoddard | #topic review actions from last meeting | 14:09 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "review actions from last meeting (Meeting topic: kayobe)" | 14:09 | |
| mgoddard | mgoddard to schedule bug review and squash session | 14:09 |
| mgoddard | mgoddard to investigate errors in kayobe-seed-upgrade-centos job | 14:09 |
| mgoddard | well 1/2 isn't bad :) | 14:09 |
| mgoddard | CI issues with seed upgrade job now resolved | 14:10 |
| mgoddard | #action mgoddard to schedule bug review and squash session | 14:10 |
| mgoddard | I'll have another go at that | 14:10 |
| mgoddard | #topic Kayobe whiteboard https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kayobe-whiteboard | 14:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Kayobe whiteboard https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kayobe-whiteboard (Meeting topic: kayobe)" | 14:10 | |
| mgoddard | I guess we might want to combine whiteboards with kolla? | 14:11 |
| mgoddard | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/KollaWhiteBoard | 14:11 |
| dougsz1 | +1 to combine them | 14:11 |
| priteau | Good idea | 14:11 |
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| jovial[m] | hi | 14:12 |
| mgoddard | #info We will combine whiteboards with kolla for the train cycle | 14:12 |
| mgoddard | hi jovial[m] | 14:13 |
| mgoddard | CI looking mostly green | 14:13 |
| mgoddard | we are getting a bit behind on reviews | 14:14 |
| mgoddard | #link | 14:14 |
| mgoddard | https://review.opendev.org/#/dashboard/?foreach=%28project%3Ax%2Fkayobe%29+status%3Aopen+NOT+label%3ACode-Review%3C%3D-2&title=Kayobe+Review+Dashboard&My+Patches+Requiring+Attention=owner%3Aself+%28label%3AVerified-1%2Czuul+OR+label%3ACode-Review-1+OR+label%3AWorkflow%3C%3D-1%29&Small+things+%28%3C25+LOC%2C+limit+10%29=delta%3A%3C%3D25+limit%3A10+%28NOT+label%3ACode-Review-1%2Ckayobe-core%29+label%3 | 14:14 |
| mgoddard | AVerified%3E%3D1%2Czuul+branch%3Amaster&Needs+Reverify=label%3AWorkflow%3E%3D1+NOT+label%3AWorkflow%3C%3D-1+label%3AVerified%3C%3D-1%2Czuul&Needs+Final+Approval+%28to+land+on+master%29=NOT+label%3AWorkflow%3E%3D1+NOT+label%3AWorkflow%3C%3D-1+NOT+owner%3Aself+label%3ACode-Review%3E%3D2+label%3AVerified%3E%3D1%2Czuul+%28NOT+label%3ACode-Review-1%2Ckayobe-core%29+branch%3Amaster&Newer+%28%3C1wk%29+Open | 14:14 |
| mgoddard | +Patches+%28limit+25%29=-age%3A1week+limit%3A25+branch%3Amaster+NOT+label%3AWorkflow%3E%3D1+%28NOT+label%3ACode-Review-1%2Ckayobe-core%29+label%3AVerified%3E%3D1%2Czuul+NOT+label%3ACode-Review%3E%3D2&Older+%28%3E1wk%29+Open+Patches+Passing+Zuul+Tests+%28limit+50%29=age%3A1week+limit%3A50+NOT+label%3AWorkflow%3E%3D1+NOT+label%3ACode-Review%3C%3D-1+NOT+label%3ACode-Review%3E%3D1+age%3A1week+NOT+label% | 14:14 |
| mgoddard | 3AVerified%3E%3D1%2Czuul+%28NOT+label%3ACode-Review-1%2Ckayobe-core%29&Open+Stable+Backports=branch%3A%5Estable%2F.%2A+status%3Aopen | 14:14 |
| mgoddard | doh | 14:14 |
| mgoddard | #link https://tiny.cc/kayobe-review-dash | 14:14 |
| mgoddard | lots of easy patches with 1x +2 | 14:16 |
| mgoddard | if people have some time, please help land a few | 14:17 |
| mgoddard | kolla is about to release stein, we shouldn't be too far behind | 14:17 |
| mgoddard | #topic Stein release | 14:19 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Stein release (Meeting topic: kayobe)" | 14:19 | |
| mgoddard | Kolla stein release this week (with any luck) | 14:19 |
| mgoddard | What should we focus on, and what should we delay to train? | 14:19 |
| priteau | There are lots of little fixes / features that could make it into Stein | 14:21 |
| mgoddard | +1. I just added https://review.opendev.org/667451 and https://review.opendev.org/666820 to priorities, which have been bugging people for some time | 14:21 |
| priteau | What about changing the default Docker driver, is this something we're ready to change? | 14:21 |
| dougsz1 | cool, 666820 would be a nice one | 14:22 |
| mgoddard | Docker driver would be nice. Problem is we've had reports that overlay2 doesn't play nicely with libvirt | 14:22 |
| jovial[m] | even with docker ce? | 14:23 |
| mgoddard | We'll probably want to switch to it eventually, and I'm a bit wary of migrating twice | 14:23 |
| mgoddard | jovial[m]: unsure about that. johnthetubaguy might be able to say for sure | 14:24 |
| dougsz1 | There was some interest in arbitrary docker options when running containers - is that in Kolla Ansible for Train and if so can we configure it via Kayobe? | 14:24 |
| dougsz1 | eg. specify docker logs driver etc. | 14:24 |
| mgoddard | dougsz1: there is docker_custom_option, which goes in the systemd unit file rather than daemon.json | 14:25 |
| mgoddard | dougsz1: I think GR had something for daemon.json but it hasn't made it out yet | 14:26 |
| mgoddard | could ask nicely if you need it | 14:26 |
| dougsz1 | yeah, that's what I was thinking about | 14:26 |
| dougsz1 | I guess we might not get that in time | 14:28 |
| dougsz1 | i just heard that mgoddard was working on it :) | 14:28 |
| mgoddard | back on review priorities, please also consider stable backports a priority. We have a few open currently | 14:29 |
| mgoddard | if we keep up to date with backports, people shouldn't need to run forks | 14:29 |
| mgoddard | #topic open discussion | 14:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "open discussion (Meeting topic: kayobe)" | 14:30 | |
| mgoddard | Does anyone have any questions about the switch to become part of kolla? | 14:31 |
| jovial[m] | is there going to be a tighter integration or are we just going to continue as is? | 14:32 |
| priteau | Will we need to release kayobe synchronised with kolla? | 14:32 |
| mgoddard | jovial[m]: I don't think there is any plan for a tighter integration. If there is a proposal for a good way to do that we could consider | 14:33 |
| mgoddard | jovial[m]: I'm not sure. Probably not, given that we consume kolla ansible we might always need time after the k-a release | 14:34 |
| mgoddard | sorry, that was for priteau :) | 14:34 |
| priteau | OK | 14:34 |
| mgoddard | I'd certainly like to be following a roughly similar timeline, such that we are stabilising around the same time | 14:34 |
| mgoddard | in practice, I think we'll switch to a cycle-trailing release model, which gives us 3 months after final release | 14:35 |
| mgoddard | or else... I don't know what happens | 14:35 |
| dougsz1 | Do we get to switch to launchpad? :) | 14:35 |
| priteau | Shouldn't Kolla switch to Storyboard instead? | 14:36 |
| dougsz1 | (I was partly joking, but Storyboard still seems painful to me for searching) | 14:37 |
| mgoddard | dougsz1: :p | 14:37 |
| mgoddard | I don't think there is a reverse migration path, unless you want to lose the last X months of changes | 14:37 |
| dougsz1 | yeah, not worth it :) | 14:37 |
| dougsz1 | more important things.. | 14:37 |
| mgoddard | kolla has resisted the switch to storyboard, mostly due to laziness :) | 14:38 |
| mgoddard | perhaps kayobe will provide the incentive to standardise | 14:38 |
| mgoddard | it might be nice to have a story with tasks in kolla, kolla-ansible and kayobe | 14:39 |
| mgoddard | perhaps you can help me brainstorm what things we'll need to change for this migration | 14:40 |
| dougsz1 | yeah, that would make sense. A feature in Kolla Ansible may well require Kayobe support, and would be nice to track that all in one place | 14:40 |
| mgoddard | so I have changes in governance and project-config to do the repo rename and officialness | 14:41 |
| mgoddard | what will we need to change on our side? | 14:41 |
| mgoddard | I've pushed a patch to switch to docs & release notes jobs that publish to openstack.org | 14:41 |
| mgoddard | we have various links that will need to change, for opendev.org/x/kayobe -> opendev.org/openstack/kayobe | 14:42 |
| mgoddard | We have a wiki now | 14:43 |
| priteau | And search for any mention of readthedocs | 14:43 |
| priteau | They should all go | 14:43 |
| mgoddard | +1 | 14:43 |
| mgoddard | should we switch to the kolla wiki or keep our own? | 14:43 |
| dougsz1 | hmm, didn't even realise we had a wiki | 14:44 |
| priteau | We have a wiki? | 14:44 |
| priteau | I had no idea | 14:44 |
| dougsz1 | And do we need one, if we have good docs? | 14:44 |
| mgoddard | you guys | 14:44 |
| dougsz1 | Just another thing to maintain? | 14:44 |
| mgoddard | definitely announced this in a meeting | 14:45 |
| mgoddard | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Kayobe | 14:45 |
| priteau | One use I see for it is linking to Etherpads | 14:45 |
| mgoddard | it was requested by someone at the forum | 14:45 |
| priteau | You don't want to have to push commits to the docs for every new forum / ptg pad | 14:45 |
| priteau | Maybe let's keep our own wiki for now? | 14:46 |
| mgoddard | ok | 14:47 |
| mgoddard | I might add kayobe to the kolla wiki though: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Kolla | 14:48 |
| mgoddard | What should we do with http://kayobe.readthedocs.io? | 14:48 |
| dougsz1 | I really quite like it to be honest | 14:49 |
| dougsz1 | It's very useful | 14:49 |
| mgoddard | oh yes, no suggesting we remove any docs :) | 14:49 |
| dougsz1 | But I suppose the Kayobe OpenStack docs should be equally so | 14:50 |
| mgoddard | but we will be allowed to use openstack.org | 14:50 |
| dougsz1 | How easy is it to migrate to that? Just a doc job? | 14:50 |
| mgoddard | yeah, just start publishing there | 14:50 |
| dougsz1 | cool | 14:50 |
| mgoddard | what can we do about RTD for people who are used to going there? | 14:51 |
| dougsz1 | Will be nice to update Kolla docs as well, to introduce Kayobe as a option early on | 14:51 |
| mgoddard | probably doesn't hurt to keep publishing there, but would be nice not to have to do that forever | 14:51 |
| dougsz1 | I suppose providing that they *always* stay in sync it's not a huge issue | 14:52 |
| mgoddard | I did add something about kayobe in kolla ansible docs, but perhaps we could be a bit louder | 14:52 |
| dougsz1 | sounds good - not an advertising pitch, but just make sure people understand the benefits and how it could be useful to them | 14:52 |
| mgoddard | I wonder if there's a header we could add to direct people to official docs | 14:53 |
| priteau | There might be a Sphinx extension to do that | 14:53 |
| mgoddard | same issue for release notes really, which don't currently get auto updated | 14:53 |
| mgoddard | priteau: that would be good | 14:54 |
| mgoddard | When should we disable this channel? | 14:54 |
| mgoddard | maybe once all the project-config changes have gone through | 14:55 |
| priteau | Is everyone @here also on #kolla? | 14:55 |
| priteau | dougsz1 isn't on #openstack-kolla :P | 14:56 |
| mgoddard | doh | 14:56 |
| dougsz1 | flaky internet! | 14:56 |
| jovial[m] | not yet | 14:56 |
| mgoddard | ok. I'll stick around in this channel until the end, in case anyone pops up | 14:56 |
| priteau | So everyone seems to be on #openstack-kolla except kgz, dougsz1 and jovial[m] | 14:57 |
| mgoddard | everyone else feel free to move to openstack-kolla after this meeting | 14:57 |
| dougsz1 | Shall we update the channel topic to point people in the right direction? | 14:57 |
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| priteau | +1 | 14:57 |
| mgoddard | dougsz1: tried, didn't work first time so gave up :) | 14:57 |
| priteau | I've made kgz run away :-( | 14:57 |
| mgoddard | priteau: he works for jetstack in our office :) | 14:57 |
| priteau | I know :-) He's on another channel anyway. | 14:58 |
| mgoddard | 2 minutes to go | 14:58 |
| mgoddard | any other burning questions? | 14:58 |
| jovial[m] | can't we set up a redirect? | 14:59 |
| mgoddard | IRC redirect/ | 14:59 |
| mgoddard | ? | 14:59 |
| jovial[m] | yep | 14:59 |
| mgoddard | I could ask in infra channel | 14:59 |
| mgoddard | thanks for brainstorming, I have a list of things to do now | 15:00 |
| mgoddard | if you ask nicely, I might even give you one :p | 15:00 |
| jovial[m] | something like: https://epir.at/2016/06/26/redirecting-freenode-channels/ | 15:00 |
| mgoddard | jovial[m]: it's probably not in my power, but might be able to get infra to do it | 15:01 |
| dougsz1 | will try and pick something up | 15:02 |
| mgoddard | Thanks everyone | 15:02 |
| dougsz1 | thanks | 15:02 |
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| mgoddard | Great work on getting kayobe to this point | 15:02 |
| mgoddard | And so begins a new era :D | 15:02 |
| priteau | I need to get a sticker | 15:02 |
| mgoddard | They grow up so fast | 15:02 |
| mgoddard | #endmeeting | 15:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Deployment of containerised OpenStack to bare metal | https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Kayobe" | 15:02 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jul 8 15:02:57 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 15:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kayobe/2019/kayobe.2019-07-08-14.01.html | 15:03 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kayobe/2019/kayobe.2019-07-08-14.01.txt | 15:03 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/kayobe/2019/kayobe.2019-07-08-14.01.log.html | 15:03 |
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| yankcrime | 16:02 priteau | I need to get a sticker | 18:59 |
| yankcrime | there are stickers? | 18:59 |
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| priteau | yankcrime: I meant a Kolla sticker, now that Kayobe is a subproject | 21:28 |
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