Wednesday, 2021-05-26

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jandersgood morning Ironic o/00:30
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openstackgerritSteve Baker proposed openstack/ironic-python-agent master: Make _get_efi_bootloaders return relative paths  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/ironic-python-agent/+/79308201:14
openstackgerritSteve Baker proposed openstack/ironic-python-agent master: [WIP] Don't grub2-install overwrite EFI bootloaders  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/ironic-python-agent/+/79308301:14
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iurygregorygood morning Ironic06:21
stevebakeriurygregory: good evening!06:22
iurygregoryhey stevebaker o/06:22
iurygregorystevebaker, if you have some time tomorrow can you take a look at https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/releases/+/79074806:23
stevebakeriurygregory: sure thing06:23
iurygregorytks!06:23
jandershey iurygregory06:24
stevebakeriurygregory: how will that impact downstream product which consumes stable/train backports? I still backport to train on the regular06:25
iurygregoryhey janders o/06:25
iurygregorystevebaker, if I recall correctly EM we can still merge things06:26
iurygregoryExtended Maintenance06:26
iurygregory06:26
iurygregoryWhile there are community members maintaining it.06:26
iurygregory06:26
iurygregoryAll bugfixes (that meet the criteria described below) are appropriate. No Releases produced, reduced CI commitment.06:26
stevebakerok, no releases, reduced CI. That sounds fine to me06:27
iurygregoryyeah, not sure if it would impact the releases part06:27
iurygregorydon't you need rdo packages matching upstream releases etc?06:28
stevebakerit wouldn't I think. Downstream take changes from git when they sync06:28
iurygregoryhummm gotcha06:28
stevebakerstable/train just needs to exist as a branch, and reviews to merge06:28
iurygregorystevebaker, cool!06:29
iurygregorytime for more coffee :D06:36
arne_wiebalckGood morning, stevebaker, iurygregory, and Ironic!06:41
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cennGood morning arne_wielbalck, stevenbaker, iurygregory, Ironic :)06:53
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iurygregoryhey arne_wiebalck o/06:58
iurygregoryhey cenn o/06:58
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rpittaugood morning ironic! o/07:41
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cennmorning rpittau07:47
rpittauhey cenn :)07:50
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openstackgerritRiccardo Pittau proposed openstack/ironic stable/ussuri: Make test-setup.sh compatible with mysql8  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/ironic/+/79304308:03
iurygregoryhey rpittau o/08:04
rpittauhey iurygregory :)08:04
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openstackgerritIury Gregory Melo Ferreira proposed openstack/ironic-lib master: Add initial privsep structure  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/ironic-lib/+/74553608:27
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dtantsurmorning ironic08:56
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openstackgerritVerification of a change to openstack/bifrost failed: Install DIB dependencies in bifrost-ironic-install role  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/bifrost/+/75600509:01
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openstackgerritIury Gregory Melo Ferreira proposed openstack/ironic stable/victoria: Automaticaly set cipher suite  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/ironic/+/78650709:02
cenngood motning dtantsur09:03
cenn*morning09:03
iurygregorymorning dtantsur09:09
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openstackgerritIury Gregory Melo Ferreira proposed openstack/sushy master: EventService support  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/sushy/+/79205310:37
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dtantsurarne_wiebalck: (inspired by a question of k8s slack) would it make sense to somehow (SMART?) verify disks before building RAID on them (or even deploying)?11:29
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arne_wiebalckdtantsur: How about having a such a "health check" during cleaning instead? I would think that nodes should be prevented to move to available when they are broken.11:56
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dtantsurI guess both make sense if it can be done quickly11:59
arne_wiebalckdtantsur: Yes, it needs to be quick in any case.12:02
arne_wiebalckdtantsur: Not sure there is much to gain to check the disks before RAID or deploy, though: this would fail cleaning (or deploy), which would also flagged by the RAID commands (and I usually trust md as the layer to tell me when a disk is broken).12:04
arne_wiebalckdtantsur: For instance, I don't think we do regular smart test, but wait for an IO to fail, have md handle it (or not), and then take action.12:05
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arne_wiebalcks/test/tests/12:05
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dtantsurI see. So it's more for non-RAID case?12:12
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arne_wiebalckIt would not really hurt in either case, I guess. I would still advocate to make this part of (auto-)cleaning, not move it forward if something odd is detected, and trust that a node does not break  between the time it was cleaned (and checked) and deployment. Having this in cleaning would also check nodes upon instance deletion, so they are taken out of the pool and not advertised to placement.12:28
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dtantsuryep12:32
dtantsurdo you have an idea which commands we could run?12:32
arne_wiebalckdtantsur: let me check with my hardware colleagues ...12:33
dtantsurI guess the problem with cleaning is that we don't know which device will be root12:35
dtantsurI'm not sure we want to abort in case of any disks misbehaving12:36
arne_wiebalckone could also argue that for a node with N disks and a check enabled cleaning should fail if any of the disks fail (as the user expects N working disks)12:40
dtantsuryep, but I'd be worried about enabling it by default12:40
dtantsurwhile for the root disk I'd like to have some sanity check12:40
dtantsurto make sure we're not deploying on something broken12:40
arne_wiebalckif it is broken broken, deployment may fail anyway12:42
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arne_wiebalckthe root disk may be picked after cleaning? e.g. since hints are set only after?12:43
dtantsuryep, and usually is12:43
arne_wiebalckok12:44
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arne_wiebalckIs the "root disk is fine, other disks may be broken" really a realistic use case? Wouldn't you expect the hardware you get is ok?12:46
arne_wiebalckOur users would give the node back, I think :)12:46
* arne_wiebalck sent the check command question off to the hardware colleagues12:47
dtantsuryeah, maybe it's not a viable use case, so we're fine as long as we have an "off" switch12:50
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openstackgerritVerification of a change to openstack/ironic failed: Delay rendering configdrive  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/ironic/+/79047213:02
iurygregoryI'm slow =(13:03
iurygregoryops (gerrit is slow =P )13:04
TheJuliagood morning13:04
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iurygregorygood morning TheJulia13:04
arne_wiebalckdtantsur: I got some feedback from the hardware experts13:04
dtantsur\o/13:05
dtantsurmorning TheJulia13:05
arne_wiebalckdtantsur: heh, wait :-D13:05
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arne_wiebalckdtantsur: it is not obvious to say when a disk is really healthy, esp. not within a short time13:05
arne_wiebalckdtantsur: smartctl -H /dev/xyz is an option13:06
arne_wiebalckdtantsur: ideally, though, we make this configurable so that deployments can adapt this to the conditions with their vendors (which is a good suggestion I think)13:06
dtantsurarne_wiebalck: clean steps can be overridden13:07
arne_wiebalckdtantsur: like, there are individual conditions under which a disk can be replaced13:07
arne_wiebalckdtantsur: true, but making things configurable increases accessibility for operators I would think13:08
dtantsurhardware managers are a sort of configuration13:08
dtantsuryou anyway need to build a custom ramdisk for custom tools13:08
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arne_wiebalckdtantsur: I was more thinking about the -A option to smartctl rather than custom tools13:09
arne_wiebalckdtantsur: sure, if you want to run your downstream tool, I agree with you13:10
arne_wiebalckdtantsur: if an operator wants different thresholds for certain smart parameters he has in the contract, that is maybe different13:10
dtantsurmm, makes sense13:10
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dtantsurarne_wiebalck: could you draft an RFE for that (not necessary implement)?13:10
arne_wiebalckdtantsur: have such a check as a step or before deployment?13:11
arne_wiebalckdtantsur: in any case: yes :)13:12
dtantsurboth?13:12
dtantsurclean step - for all disks, before deployment - for root13:12
TheJuliaokay, coffee()13:12
dtantsurjust to be really-really sure it's not going to die in 6 hours13:12
arne_wiebalckdtantsur: sounds good, yes13:12
arne_wiebalckdtantsur: I will draft sth13:13
TheJuliaHey, if were going to start evaluating smart data, can we please also check the thermal tempature and refuse to proceed if it is above something sane?13:13
arne_wiebalckheh13:13
iurygregorywow13:13
dtantsurTheJulia: will it be high on a freshly booted ramdisk?13:13
TheJuliadtantsur: shouldn't be at all, but say if it is above 120-140F, the datacenter has a major issue and we shouldn't try to put workloads into that sort of environment13:14
dtantsurfair13:14
arne_wiebalckTheJulia: I don't think the disk check should raise this.13:14
TheJuliaI've literally walked into datacenters which were on the verge of thermal tripping at the transformers13:14
arne_wiebalckor: if you rely on the disk check for this, there is maybe another issue :)13:14
TheJuliabut if a disk sees insane tempatures, there is a major cooling issue13:14
arne_wiebalckTheJulia: not saying, temperature is no issue, I have been hit by this several times13:15
arne_wiebalckTheJulia: I am saying this should not be wired into a disk health check13:15
arne_wiebalckTheJulia: there should be monitoring, or other health checks13:16
TheJuliaI kind of disagree, but not at -1 level. Just I've charted failure rates against my data center tempatures, but that was also way in the past13:16
TheJuliaThis was also many years ago13:16
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arne_wiebalckTheJulia: the MB knows the temperature, it can be read from the BMC, ... we could have other checks13:16
TheJuliatrue13:17
TheJuliabut some mfgrs put drives in really odd places too13:17
TheJulialike on exhaust air13:17
arne_wiebalcktrue ... but then we would also need to decide what a sane temperature is for the disk at hand13:18
TheJuliaindeed13:18
dtantsursounds like another optional clean step?13:18
arne_wiebalckdtantsur: ++13:18
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arne_wiebalckthinks the cleaning framework is evolving into an "eierlegende Wollmilchsau" ... (this is for dtantsur, everyone else has to google I guess :))13:21
iurygregory=(13:21
iurygregorynot fair13:21
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* dtantsur rofl13:21
iurygregoryarne_wiebalck, LMAO13:22
arne_wiebalck:-D13:22
dtantsurarne_wiebalck: well, it has long ago. definitely after we switched RAID to it.13:22
iurygregoryomg13:22
iurygregorymy reaction is WTH13:22
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arne_wiebalckdtantsur: just today we came up with a new use case for it13:22
dtantsur\o/13:22
arne_wiebalckdtantsur: when nodes are retired, they may stay around for a while13:22
arne_wiebalckdtantsur: with power, network ... etc13:22
arne_wiebalckdtantsur: we try do some voluntary computing on them while they wait for removal13:23
TheJuliaarne_wiebalck wins the funniest reference award for the day13:23
arne_wiebalckdtantsur: since the "retired" flag is set, we cannot instantiate them (easily)13:23
dtantsurarne_wiebalck: it sounds like you need a separate resource class rather than retired13:23
TheJuliadtantsur: ++13:23
arne_wiebalckdtantsur: so we make this a clean step to run boinc13:24
* dtantsur looks at arne_wiebalck attaching a saddle to the Wollmilchsau13:24
arne_wiebalckdtantsur: yep, I guess this would also work13:24
arne_wiebalckdtantsur: LOL13:24
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openstackgerritVerification of a change to openstack/ironic failed: Delay rendering configdrive  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/ironic/+/79047213:26
TheJuliadtantsur: a saddle for pixie boots to ride on!13:28
dtantsur\o/13:30
* arne_wiebalck is looking forward to the new Ironic t-shirts13:33
iurygregorywoot13:34
iurygregorynew t-shirts \o/13:34
dtantsur:D13:35
TheJuliafirst, we need an artist!13:35
openstackgerritMateusz Kowalski proposed openstack/sushy-tools master: Use /dev/sdx instead of /dev/sdc when mounting boot images  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/sushy-tools/+/79315813:45
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openstackgerritDmitry Tantsur proposed openstack/ironic-lib stable/wallaby: Raise qemu-img memory limit to 2 GiB  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/ironic-lib/+/79305113:51
openstackgerritDmitry Tantsur proposed openstack/ironic-lib stable/victoria: Raise qemu-img memory limit to 2 GiB  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/ironic-lib/+/79305213:52
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TheJulia*sigh*14:01
* dtantsur agrees with sigh even if he's not sure what the sigh is about14:01
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cenn:p14:04
TheJuliadtantsur: soo many things14:07
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dtantsur:(14:19
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openstackgerritJulia Kreger proposed openstack/bifrost master: Add a benchmark job for ironic  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/bifrost/+/79270514:35
TheJuliaany chance I could get another review on https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/ironic/+/78833514:39
TheJuliao/ jlvillal14:42
jlvillalo/ TheJulia :)14:43
jlvillalI hope all is going well with you (besides the IRC service drama) :)14:43
TheJuliaomg drama14:46
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/ironic master: Add basic tools for benchmarking  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/ironic/+/78833515:10
iurygregoryif any core has some time to look at a sushy change I would appreciate =) https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/sushy/+/79205315:15
dtantsurhey-hey jlvillal, how are you?15:15
jlvillalПривет dtantsur!  Things are going well :)  Doing part-time work and in spare-time contributing to some opensource projects (python-gitlab for the most part at the moment).15:17
jlvillalHow about you?15:17
jlvillalOh and also working on Beaker stuff, which you may have heard of ;)15:17
dtantsurjlvillal: not bad, not bad. waiting for restrictions to be over, working on http://metal3.io/15:17
dtantsurreplacing it with ironic, I hope? :-P15:18
jlvillalhehe15:18
iurygregoryhahaha beaker won't be able to do that15:18
jlvillalNot yet. Beaker for us is quite useful since we are trying to test hardware/software.15:18
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rpittaubye! o/16:03
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NobodyCamGood Morning Ironic folks. Happy Hump Day.16:23
NobodyCamjust a side question anyone had any experience attempting to leverage Ironic across an overlay network?16:24
dtantsurEDETAILSNEEDED16:28
iurygregorymorning NobodyCam16:29
NobodyCamhehehehe ... Good morning dtantsur and iurygregory16:29
NobodyCambasically running remote conductors over a overlay network16:32
TheJuliaso conductors as vms inside an existing openstack infra?16:49
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/ironic-lib stable/wallaby: Raise qemu-img memory limit to 2 GiB  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/ironic-lib/+/79305116:56
NobodyCamWell that maybe a test env I am investigating ..16:59
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/ironic-lib stable/victoria: Raise qemu-img memory limit to 2 GiB  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/ironic-lib/+/79305217:10
openstackgerritMerged openstack/ironic-python-agent master: Rewrite write_image.sh in Python  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/ironic-python-agent/+/79193517:17
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TheJuliadtantsur: seems like we may need to just drop qemu-img memory bounding17:25
TheJulia1.4GB to convert cirros....17:25
TheJuliaNobodyCam: I guess it should work, but tftp mtus would need to be adjusted.17:25
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iurygregory1.4 to convert a small cirros? O.o17:26
TheJuliayup, that is what someone reported independently just trying to see how it ended up chewing up ram17:27
TheJuliato which my comment is... "uhhh. that is bad."17:27
iurygregoryyeah =( very bad17:29
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openstackgerritJulia Kreger proposed openstack/ironic master: Update project conundrum related docs  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/ironic/+/79321117:33
* TheJulia whistles17:33
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openstackgerritJulia Kreger proposed openstack/ironic master: Update project conundrum related docs  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/ironic/+/79321117:37
iurygregory++ ^17:43
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openstackgerritJulia Kreger proposed openstack/ironic-python-agent stable/wallaby: Fix NVMe Partition image on UEFI  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/ironic-python-agent/+/79318618:03
iurygregoryEveryone, please take a look at the openstack-discuss list about our upstream meeting on May 31st18:03
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openstackgerritJulia Kreger proposed openstack/ironic-python-agent stable/victoria: Fix NVMe Partition image on UEFI  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/ironic-python-agent/+/79318718:04
openstackgerritJulia Kreger proposed openstack/ironic-python-agent stable/ussuri: Fix NVMe Partition image on UEFI  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/ironic-python-agent/+/79318818:04
openstackgerritJulia Kreger proposed openstack/ironic-python-agent stable/train: Fix NVMe Partition image on UEFI  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/ironic-python-agent/+/79318918:05
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/ironic master: Update project conundrum related docs  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/ironic/+/79321118:27
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openstackgerritJulia Kreger proposed openstack/ironic-python-agent master: Limit qemu-img execution arenas  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/ironic-python-agent/+/79322518:59
openstackgerritJulia Kreger proposed openstack/ironic-python-agent master: Limit qemu-img execution arenas  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/ironic-python-agent/+/79322519:01
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* TheJulia has this feeling that she just needs to force peopel to get in a room and talk19:53
TheJuliapeople19:53
openstackgerritJulia Kreger proposed openstack/ironic-python-agent master: Limit qemu-img execution arenas  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/ironic-python-agent/+/79322520:04
TheJuliawould appreciate some reviews on ^20:06
TheJuliaapparently it is the source of our random image deployment failures20:06
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iurygregoryinteresting =) wondering if we want a config option for that =)20:15
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TheJuliaiurygregory: unlikely, it is at 3 mallocs by then20:17
TheJuliaand it seems like it may just work anyway, because it is if one thread locks another as it was explained to me20:18
iurygregoryyeah20:18
iurygregorylgtm the changes20:18
iurygregoryI will wait for CI =)20:19
TheJuliak20:19
TheJuliaI need to do the same for ironic-lib20:19
TheJuliaand get it all backported all the way to trraaaaaainnnnn20:19
iurygregory*funny*20:19
TheJuliachoooo chooooo20:19
iurygregoryouch20:19
iurygregoryspeaking about train we decided to move to EM20:19
TheJuliasounds good, we just won't cut releases anymore20:20
TheJuliawhich makes sense20:20
TheJuliain that case I'll +1 the em change20:20
iurygregoryyup, I was afraid we would need releases to sync things downstream etc20:20
TheJulianope, its build rev just climbs then20:21
TheJuliaso like... grub 2.02-9920:21
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stevebakermorning20:32
openstackgerritMerged openstack/ironic master: Delay rendering configdrive  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/ironic/+/79047220:32
iurygregorymorning stevebaker20:34
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openstackgerritJulia Kreger proposed openstack/ironic-lib master: Limit the number of malloc arenas for qemu-img convert  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/ironic-lib/+/79323820:47
TheJuliaiurygregory: ^ ironic-lib version20:47
iurygregoryTheJulia, ack20:48
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/ironic-python-agent stable/wallaby: Fix NVMe Partition image on UEFI  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/ironic-python-agent/+/79318622:07
openstackgerritMerged openstack/ironic-python-agent stable/ussuri: Fix NVMe Partition image on UEFI  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/ironic-python-agent/+/79318822:07
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/ironic-python-agent stable/victoria: Fix NVMe Partition image on UEFI  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/ironic-python-agent/+/79318722:35
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jandersgood morning Ironic o/23:54
TheJuliagood morning23:57
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