Monday, 2019-01-21

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w14161_1TheJulia, thanks.00:24
TheJuliaw14161_1: Hopefully that quickly addresses confusion, but I a curious what sort of issue you encountered that your digging into ironic lib :)00:28
TheJuliaw14161_1: let us know if you need any help or if you find a bug00:28
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/sushy master: Add Chassis<->ComputerSystem/Manager linkage  https://review.openstack.org/62302801:08
openstackgerritMerged openstack/sushy master: Update the docstring of `sub_processors()`  https://review.openstack.org/63149501:08
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dnukagood morning o/04:42
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arne_wiebalckGood morning, Ironic.07:25
dnukagood morning arne_wiebalck :)07:26
arne_wiebalckGood morning dnuka !07:26
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openstackgerritparesh sao proposed openstack/ironic-specs master: OOB disk-erase for ilo5 based HPE Proliant Servers  https://review.openstack.org/63118107:35
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openstackgerritparesh sao proposed openstack/ironic-specs master: OOB disk-erase for ilo5 based HPE Proliant Servers  https://review.openstack.org/63118107:48
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rpittaugood morning ironic! o/07:55
openstackgerritHamdy Khader proposed openstack/python-ironicclient master: Add is-smartnic port attribute to port command  https://review.openstack.org/62944907:57
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dnukagood morning rpittau :)07:57
rpittauhey dnuka :)07:59
arne_wiebalckgood morning rpittau07:59
rpittauhi arne_wiebalck :)07:59
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iurygregorymorning08:32
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rpittauhi iurygregory :)08:32
iurygregoryrpittau, o/08:32
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arne_wiebalckiurygregory: good morning!08:57
iurygregoryarne_wiebalck, o/08:58
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dnukahi iurygregory o/09:44
iurygregorydnuka, o/09:44
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dtantsurmorning ironic09:58
dtantsuretingof: we certainly need to make the power sync parallel09:58
rpittauhey dtantsur :)09:58
mgoddardmorning all09:58
dtantsurprobably we can do with just some partitioning of the existing periodic call09:58
dnukamorning dtantsur, mgoddard o/09:59
rpittauhi mgoddard :)09:59
* arne_wiebalck sees power sync and starts looking through the backlog10:04
dtantsurhehe10:04
arne_wiebalckdtantsur: etingof: what’s the issue you’re tackling?10:05
* dtantsur defers to etingof10:05
etingofhey, hey o/10:06
arne_wiebalckhey etingof o/10:06
dnukamorning etingof o/10:06
rpittauhi etingof :)10:07
iurygregorymorning dtantsur10:08
etingofarne_wiebalck, it feels that we do IPMI power sync nodes one by one10:08
etingofwe do that every 60 secs by default10:09
arne_wiebalcketingof: this is the Ironic internal periodic task to collect the current state from all nodes?10:09
etingofin the above holds, in the case when we have hundreds of nodes to keep an eye on, it feels like we may never be able to catch up in 60 secs10:09
etingofyes, that's the internal periodic task10:10
arne_wiebalcketingof: to give you some numbers, we currently have ~1700 nodes in Ironic and have set sync_power_state_interval to 30010:10
arne_wiebalcketingof: this is to say, yes you are right :)10:11
dtantsurarne_wiebalck: would it help you, if ironic ran this periodic task in parallel in several batches?10:11
etingofarne_wiebalck, so how it works for you?10:11
etingof1700/300 -> 6 ipmitool runs per second10:11
arne_wiebalckdtantsur: I think the question is if one needs the power state faster than 5 mins10:11
dtantsurand what's the answer for you?10:12
arne_wiebalckdtantsur: for now, “no”10:12
dtantsurI guess ideally we should report power state changes much faster. We just cannot.10:12
arne_wiebalckdtantsur: but we plan to add ~8’000 nodes or so10:12
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arne_wiebalckdtantsur: that may require us to change the value again10:13
arne_wiebalckdtantsur: and if that needs to be 30 mins, it becomes an issue10:13
* etingof recalls that maas may have more than one way to power sync the nodes10:13
dtantsurarne_wiebalck: so, my thinking is: we need to split this periodic task into a separate processes. and we need to run several nodes in parallel there.10:14
arne_wiebalckdtantsur: yes, sounds good10:14
dtantsurit's kind of on my radar.. I just never have enough time to properly do it.10:14
arne_wiebalckdtantsur: do all controllers run this task?10:14
etingofmy patch proposes running up to 8 ipmitool processes in parallel...10:14
dtantsurarne_wiebalck: yep. only for nodes that are mapped to the conductor10:14
arne_wiebalckdtantsur: ok10:14
dtantsurso if you have 10 conductors and 8000 nodes, each will process roughly 80010:15
dtantsurwhich is still a lot, ofc10:15
dtantsurespecially since ironic-conductor is single-threaded (with green threads)\10:15
arne_wiebalckdtantsur: I see10:15
arne_wiebalcketingof: you have a link to your patch?10:16
* etingof thinks that ipmitool is run in a subprocess(es)10:16
dtantsuretingof: I don't have a patch - that's the problem10:16
dtantsurif somebody wants to lend me a hand, I can provide guidance, etc10:16
dtantsur(I'm also a futurist core if we need to fix something there)10:16
etingofarne_wiebalck, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/631872/10:16
patchbotpatch 631872 - ironic - WIP: Parallelize periodic power sync calls - 1 patch set10:16
dtantsuretingof: well, in subprocess, but we block on the result10:16
iurygregorydtantsur, i can try to help10:17
etingofdtantsur, sorry, which patch you do not have?10:17
dtantsuretingof: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/631872/1/ironic/conductor/manager.py is cool, but it seems half measure10:17
patchbotpatch 631872 - ironic - WIP: Parallelize periodic power sync calls - 1 patch set10:17
dtantsurignore me re patch, I confused who asks whom10:17
iurygregorynot sure if i have the necessary skills lol10:17
dtantsuriurygregory: we need to fork ironic-conductor early on, and run one of the tasks in the forked process (and nothing else).10:18
etingofdtantsur, half measure?10:18
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dtantsuretingof: we can do better than run more green threads10:18
dtantsurwe can run the whole beast in a forked process10:18
iurygregoryhumm10:18
dtantsurwhich actually gives us one more CPU core, not just more code competing for the same one10:18
etingofhmm, what's the difference? with my patch we basically fork ironic into 8 independent processes each running ipmitool10:19
iurygregoryi will look at the conductor code in a few10:19
iurygregorydev conf mtg starting in 10min10:19
etingofthe master single-threaded ironic waits (non-blockingly) for the children termination10:19
dtantsuretingof: spawn_worker launches a green thread10:20
etingofright, but only for watching the child, no?10:20
dtantsurno, everything is green threads10:20
dtantsurso you still compete for this one CPU10:20
etingofbut ipmitool is an external binary, it can't be green-threaded, can it?10:21
dtantsurwell, right. I'm talking about ironic-conductor here.10:21
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dtantsurwhat I'm afraid of is that with 8000 nodes your patch won't be enough10:22
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etingofso when we run ipmitool we 1) fork the conductor and 2) spawn a green thread to watch the pipe to the child10:22
etingofthis 2) should be non-blocking10:22
dtantsurforking conductor mid-way is super dangerous10:22
dtantsure.g. what will happen with RPC? two instances?10:22
dtantsurthat's why I say we should fork early, before we run other periodic tasks or the RPC server10:23
etingofI think it's like any fork - the process stops, forks and the second copy gets wiped out with the new binary10:23
dtantsuryes, but it's not what you just described10:23
etingofthen the parent continues10:23
dtantsuryes, this is what we have. but we still wait on 8000 ipmitool executions in the same process on the same one CPU core10:24
dtantsurit can be 8000 in sequence, or 8 batches of 100010:24
dtantsuryour patch makes it faster, but it does not make it lighter10:24
dtantsuri.e. when this one core we run on is finally congested, we're out of options10:24
etingofthis is what I do not understand... when we run any single ipmitool, do we do fork & exec from the conductor?10:25
dtantsurI suggest do exactly what you proposed, but fork the conductor process for it10:25
dtantsursure, yes10:25
etingofso once we do fork & exec we end up with two conductor processes on two CPU cores (potentially)10:25
dtantsursure, but one of them will be ipmitool soon. the other will have a green thread blocked on waiting for this ipmitool.10:26
dtantsurrepeat 8x1000 times10:26
etingofright, but why it's blocked thread? is not it a non-blocking socket?10:26
dtantsurwell, the green thread IS blocked. the execution switches to another green thread.10:27
dtantsurrealistically, arne_wiebalck will need like 20 threads for their 8000 nodes to sync10:27
etingofthen it does not block the whole conductor10:27
dtantsuryes, but it consumes its resources. resources of one CPU where we run *EVERYTHING* :)10:27
dtantsurgreen threads are not entirely cheap.10:27
etingofwell, sleeping on I/O might not be expensive CPU-wise...10:28
dtantsursure, while you do it in sane volumes10:28
dtantsurso what I say is: let's take your solution and make a step further. run this whole routine in a process of its own.10:29
etingofI think nginx folks have researched how many sleeping sockets nginx could sustain. I think with epoll they reached 10K or something10:30
etingofdo you mean to have a dedicated server process spawning ipmitool instances?10:31
dtantsurand how much stuff is one conductor doing with 8000 nodes?10:31
dtantsurkeep in mind that the power sync loop is not the only thing we're doing10:31
etingofa lot indeed! I am just thinking, if we add a bunch of sleeping I/O sockets, would that significantly add up to the amount of work conductor does...?10:32
dtantsuretingof: I'm trying to future proof :) reviewing your patch meanwhile, I think we can merge it anyway.10:33
etingofawesome! I'd add tests and reno then10:34
etingofI think TheJulia had recollections the other night that running ipmitool in parallel might confuse something somewhere...10:35
dtantsuretingof: left some comments (not related to the forking idea)10:38
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etingofthank you dtantsur o/10:39
etingofbtw, I suspect that if any single BMC of the 1700 nodes (that arne_wiebalck is herding) slows down a bit, some of the remaining nodes might not power sync within the current 300s time frame...10:42
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dtantsuretingof: well, your approach does provide some relief here, since the other threads will catch up10:43
arne_wiebalcketingof: that is probably the case, yes … I’ll have a look how the power does at the moment (b/c last time we checked was when we were still <1k nodes, I think)10:43
etingofalso consider ipmitool response timeout used to hit 5 minutes, before we start killing the beast after 1 minute of waiting10:45
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etingofin other words, if you run into a single non-responding BMC, your effective power sync period becomes 1 minute less10:46
dtantsurcan someone review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/629250/ please? it's not big and is required for the allocation API work.10:55
patchbotpatch 629250 - ironic - Allocation API: allow picking random conductor for... - 2 patch sets10:55
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arne_wiebalcketingof: there is no direct way to see the duration of the power sync, is there? from what I see, there is nothing in the logs and update_at in the db does not get updated when the power state does not change, I guess10:59
* arne_wiebalck tries to remember what triggered us to change the interval option … probably a warning issued when the periodic task run into itself?11:00
etingofperhaps power sync is noted in the logs, but you'd probably need to parse that out...11:06
arne_wiebalcketingof: it doesn’t seem to be … I’m not running in debug mode, though11:06
rpittauside note: if the update_at changes only if there's a power state change, maybe add a "last_run" field to the power sync db ?11:10
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etingofarne_wiebalck, may be if you run tcpdump on the conductor machine to catch IPMI exchanges and try to map them on the power sync time frame?11:13
etingofessentially to see is there any period of time where ipmi power status packets are not present on the wire...11:14
etingofor may be wrap `ipmitool` binary into a shell script and log from that shell script into some sql db...?11:15
* etingof sorry for pulling arne_wiebalck into the hackerish affairs11:16
arne_wiebalcketingof: :-D11:16
arne_wiebalckarne_wiebalck: another way would be to decrease the interval and see when the warning comes back :-D11:17
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* arne_wiebalck switches on debugging and goes for lunch … wcgw11:30
w14161_1TheJulia, no bug so far, I just look ironic source code, I can not under some code of ironic which related to ironic_lib, so I asked this question.11:37
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/metalsmith master: Clean up the edge cases around states  https://review.openstack.org/63182311:52
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hjensasIn CI it does'nt look like the depends-on for ironic was picked up on review: https://review.openstack.org/576873 . I belive the Depends-On syntax is correct?12:17
patchbotpatch 576873 - networking-baremetal - WIP: Enable ironic notifications - 9 patch sets12:17
arne_wiebalcketingof: dtantsur: for a conductor with ~700 nodes, it seems the sequential power sync loop takes a bit more than 2 mins in our deployment (this is deduced from the “get/release lock” messages in the debug logs)12:20
arne_wiebalcketingof: dtantsur: that is above the default 60s and below the 300s we configured a while ago (so I think the measured value is sensible)12:21
etingof6 ipmitool calls per second, not bad I think12:22
etingof...for as long as not a single of those 700 calls gets stuck though12:22
arne_wiebalcketingof: yes … and that’s actually sth I never thought about12:23
etingofarne_wiebalck, I've been thinking that another way to observe the situation may be to enable process accounting, then see the number of ipmitool calls and their runtimes12:23
arne_wiebalcketingof: pasacct you mean?12:24
arne_wiebalcketingof: psacct12:24
etingofyep12:24
arne_wiebalcketingof: I think we have that enabled by default12:24
etingofha, that must be a lot of logs12:24
arne_wiebalcketingof: it is :-D12:24
iurygregoryhjensas, i think Depends-On should be before Change-Id12:25
etingofarne_wiebalck, may be `lastcomm ipmitool` reveals something?12:26
hjensasiurygregory: hm, it does pull in the ironicclient change - http://logs.openstack.org/73/576873/9/check/networking-baremetal-multitenant-vlans/238ec9d/job-output.txt.gz#_2019-01-20_02_02_01_32442612:27
hjensasiurygregory: that Depends-On is also after Change-Id.12:27
iurygregorystrange12:28
arne_wiebalcketingof: why didn’t you say that earlier? :-P12:28
arne_wiebalcketingof: it does12:28
iurygregoryi now that Depends-On doesnt trigger a patch to gate if the patch has a +2 +W before the depends-on was merged12:28
arne_wiebalcketingof: confirms the 2min cycle before a 3min break12:28
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hjensasiurygregory: makes sense. This is just check jobs. I'd like the CI to run with all the patches to we can verify in logs that all the things work. :)12:32
iurygregoryhjensas, i have one with many depends on let me check12:32
openstackgerritHarald Jensås proposed openstack/ironic master: API - Implement /events endpoint  https://review.openstack.org/63194612:33
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openstackgerritHarald Jensås proposed openstack/networking-baremetal master: WIP: Enable ironic notifications  https://review.openstack.org/57687312:34
* hjensas tries to rebase the ironic change, and move the Depends-On's above Change-Id. Also swapped the order of the Depends-On, the Ironic patch first this time. 12:35
etingofarne_wiebalck, nice! and sorry for being slow on neurons12:36
arne_wiebalcketingof: ha ha, no thanks for pointign me to this! this will be very handy next time!12:37
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openstackgerritMark Goddard proposed openstack/bifrost master: Make explicit fact gathering timeout configurable  https://review.openstack.org/63207812:41
TheJuliagood morning everyone12:43
iurygregorygood morning TheJulia12:43
openstackgerritHamdy Khader proposed openstack/ironic master: Add is_smartnic to Port data model  https://review.openstack.org/62964012:44
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TheJuliado I have to look like a human today?12:47
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dnukamorning TheJulia o/12:47
TheJuliaI hope everyone had a wonderful weekend12:48
hjensasgood morning TheJulia12:48
iurygregorynot wonderful but a normal one12:48
w14161_1morning, TheJulia12:48
TheJuliaiurygregory: :(12:49
* iurygregory spent the weekend validating programming questions for the programming contest at DevConf12:49
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TheJuliafuuuun12:50
TheJuliaMy saturday was in a metal tube12:50
TheJuliaflights were chaos friday and saturday12:50
iurygregorydamm =(12:50
iurygregoryhope your travel to Brno will be better12:50
TheJuliaMy initial flight out of boston was delayed over three hours and I ended up having to stay overnight along the way because there was no way to get home or anywhere close to home. :(12:51
iurygregorythat sucks =(12:51
TheJuliaI went to the airport Saturday morning and the line was possibly the longest security line I've ever seen12:52
iurygregorythis happened to me in 2015 coming back from the summit in Tokyo12:53
TheJuliaYeah, it is no fun when it happens.12:57
TheJuliaI feel like I lost all of Saturday as a result12:58
* TheJulia sips coffee12:58
hjensasiurygregory: \o/ Looks like the rebase did the trick, I see both depends-on changes in console output of the running zuul job now.12:59
dtantsurmorning TheJulia12:59
TheJulia\o/12:59
TheJuliagood morning dtantsur12:59
iurygregoryhjensas, cool!12:59
dtantsursigh, I hope you did get some rest on Sunday12:59
TheJuliasome, not enough12:59
dtantsur:(12:59
TheJuliaWhat is compounding rest issues is we had an overnight wind storm here. Winds gusting 30+ knots13:00
TheJuliastill occasionally gusts13:00
* dtantsur assumes 30+ knots is a lot13:00
TheJuliayeah, roughtly 30+ mph13:00
* iurygregory =O13:01
rpittauhi TheJulia :)13:08
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openstackgerritHamdy Khader proposed openstack/ironic master: Add is_smartnic to Port data model  https://review.openstack.org/62964013:28
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TheJuliahttps://bluejeans.com/u/jkreger <-- for mid-cycle call13:54
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mgoddardIt's the first kayobe IRC meeting in a few minutes, so I'll have to miss the first part of today's session. I'll dial in when it's over13:57
TheJuliamgoddard: Thanks for the heads up13:57
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mgoddardno problem. Apologies for previous missed meetings and lack of heads up. It's normally because I'm with a security conscious client, with no IRC access :(13:59
TheJulia7 people on the call \o/14:00
iurygregory\o/14:00
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/ironic master: Add pxe template per node  https://review.openstack.org/62555314:14
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mjturekmorning ironic!14:46
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dnukamorning mjturek14:48
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iurygregorymorning mjturek14:52
iurygregorymgoddard, can you point the patches in the etherpad? =)14:55
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mjturekhmm, is there a meeting today?15:13
dtantsurmjturek: nope because of https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-stein-midcycle15:13
mjturekwhoops! Thanks dtantsur15:14
dnukathanks dtantsur :)15:14
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openstackgerritIlya Etingof proposed openstack/ironic master: Parallelize periodic power sync calls  https://review.openstack.org/63187215:16
iurygregorymjturek, if you want to join the mid-cycle https://bluejeans.com/u/jkreger15:17
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mjturekjust did iurygregory - thank you!15:17
iurygregorymjturek, yw15:17
iurygregorycoffee time15:18
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NobodyCamGood Morning Ironic'ers15:40
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iurygregorymorning NobodyCam o/15:43
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NobodyCamgood Morning iurygregory :)15:46
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rpittauhey NobodyCam :)15:50
openstackgerritIlya Etingof proposed openstack/ironic master: Parallelize periodic power sync calls  https://review.openstack.org/63187215:51
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NobodyCamGood Morning rpittau15:55
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TheJuliaThanks everyone for your time during the call16:19
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iurygregorythat was my first mid-cycle \o/16:19
rpittausame :)16:20
rloothx TheJulia for organizing etc!16:20
rlooiurygregory, rpittau: first of many :)16:20
arne_wiebalckrloo: +116:21
iurygregoryrloo, true \o/16:21
mgoddardiurygregory: better to follow the whiteboard, since it will be kept more up to date: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard16:28
iurygregorymgoddard, ack16:28
mgoddardiurygregory: just adding the API patch to that16:29
iurygregorymuch better the color now =)16:30
iurygregoryi got blind for 2s before hehe16:31
iurygregorymgoddard, i will read the spec and after that i will push some reviews =)16:32
mgoddardiurygregory: great, that will be a big help16:34
openstackgerritRiccardo Pittau proposed openstack/ironic-python-agent master: [WIP] Build tinyipa with python3  https://review.openstack.org/49538516:36
* rpittau just noticed that 2017 was not last year....16:40
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TheJuliaeek16:47
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iurygregorywe have 19 projects under ironic =O16:50
rpittau19 is a good number16:52
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iurygregorytrue16:53
iurygregorycya tomorrow o/16:55
rpittaubye iurygregory o/16:55
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rpittaubye all! good evening! o/16:59
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dtantsur|afkg'night17:16
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TheJuliaiurygregory: And they are all awesome! :)17:54
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openstackgerritHarald Jensås proposed openstack/ironic master: API - Implement /events endpoint  https://review.openstack.org/63194618:26
openstackgerritHarald Jensås proposed openstack/networking-baremetal master: Enable ironic notifications  https://review.openstack.org/57687318:31
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openstackgerritHarald Jensås proposed openstack/networking-baremetal master: Enable ironic notifications  https://review.openstack.org/57687319:16
-openstackstatus- NOTICE: The error causing post failures on jobs has been corrected. It is safe to recheck these jobs.19:17
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