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| openstackgerrit | Kaifeng Wang proposed openstack/ironic-specs master: Amendment of the agent http provisioning spec https://review.openstack.org/593545 | 01:19 |
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| dtantsur | morning ironic | 07:26 |
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| etingof | good morning dtantsur \o | 08:02 |
| dtantsur | o/ | 08:03 |
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| openstackgerrit | Dmitry Tantsur proposed openstack/ironic master: Add version discovery information to the /v1 endpoint https://review.openstack.org/596671 | 08:48 |
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| dtantsur | mordred: ^^^ | 08:49 |
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| olivierb | Good mornig ironicers | 09:12 |
| olivierb | I am trying to finalize the fix for https://review.openstack.org/591646 | 09:12 |
| patchbot | patch 591646 - bifrost - Fix deployment when improper version of python-ope... - 1h 19m 8s spent in CI | 09:12 |
| olivierb | however due to some mandatory system pip installations https://github.com/openstack/bifrost/blob/master/playbooks/roles/bifrost-ironic-install/tasks/install.yml#L60:L80 | 09:13 |
| olivierb | it seems that when python-openssl Xenial package is installed (wrong version 0.15.1-2build1) the system pip also ends broken | 09:15 |
| olivierb | at some point | 09:15 |
| olivierb | https://gist.github.com/obourdon/ea5b132f386e4bd6bd554df3d4bdccc8 | 09:16 |
| olivierb | any idea/suggestion/... on how to fix this last issue properly ? | 09:17 |
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| olivierb | it seems that according to https://stackoverflow.com/questions/47197083/python-pip-error-just-after-fresh-install the only solution is to remove the faulty package and reinstall using pip | 09:18 |
| olivierb | thanks for your advices | 09:18 |
| openstackgerrit | Debayan Ray proposed openstack/sushy master: Caching ResourceCollectionBase::get_members() https://review.openstack.org/596676 | 09:21 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ilya Etingof proposed openstack/sushy master: Add a virtual media resource https://review.openstack.org/570810 | 09:28 |
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| olivierb | partly solved via https://review.openstack.org/596687 ;-) | 10:47 |
| patchbot | patch 596687 - openstacksdk - Add Python OpenSSL requirements | 10:47 |
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| jroll | morning y'all | 11:17 |
| dtantsur | morning jroll | 11:18 |
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| TheJulia | good morning everyone | 12:22 |
| TheJulia | dtantsur: that sounds like... ugh | 12:23 |
| dtantsur | morning TheJulia :) I did waste only one morning fighting with devstack \o/ | 12:24 |
| * dtantsur rewards himself with coffee | 12:24 | |
| TheJulia | woot | 12:24 |
| * TheJulia sips coffee and tries to adjust to UTC-7 | 12:25 | |
| * TheJulia may have to nap today | 12:27 | |
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| TheJulia | something tells me my week is going to be full of planning and co-ordinating | 12:37 |
| dtantsur | TheJulia: wdyt about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/596671/ ? | 12:42 |
| patchbot | patch 596671 - ironic - Add version discovery information to the /v1 endpoint - 1h 56m 44s spent in CI | 12:42 |
| dtantsur | this is a continuation of openstacksdk+ironic saga | 12:42 |
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| TheJulia | Sure, only if you go through the pike ptg etherpad and put +1s on things you feel need discussion :) | 12:44 |
| TheJulia | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-stein-ptg | 12:44 |
| TheJulia | s/pike/stein/ | 12:44 |
| * TheJulia needs a lot more coffee | 12:44 | |
| TheJulia | dtantsur: why do we need to add to the /v1 endpoint, I thought we exposed it on the / endpoint? | 12:45 |
| dtantsur | TheJulia: for standalone case you may end up with only /v1 endpoint know | 12:49 |
| dtantsur | like in https://github.com/openstack/openstacksdk/blob/master/openstack/tests/unit/cloud/test_operator_noauth.py#L55 | 12:50 |
| TheJulia | oh, I see | 12:50 |
| dtantsur | fetching this endpoint will not give keystoneauth enough information | 12:50 |
| TheJulia | ewww | 12:50 |
| TheJulia | but it woudl find it and work if there was no /v1 on there... wouldn't it | 12:51 |
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| dtantsur | TheJulia: yeah, because there are 'versions' in / | 12:51 |
| dtantsur | see also discussion on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/595980/ | 12:51 |
| patchbot | patch 595980 - keystoneauth - Add support for ironic single-version responses - 3h 19m 38s spent in CI | 12:51 |
| TheJulia | dtantsur: okay, that seems reasonable to me for us to add, and likely the sdk needs a reno saying "please don't put the version in the path, only define the root of the api" | 12:52 |
| TheJulia | for ironic at least | 12:52 |
| dtantsur | yeah | 12:52 |
| TheJulia | Oh, did you see my message friday about current openstacksdk already being broken? | 12:52 |
| dtantsur | TheJulia: nope, but I fixed something over the weekend :) | 12:52 |
| dtantsur | and your bifrost patch started passing | 12:52 |
| TheJulia | woot! | 12:53 |
| TheJulia | Okay, thats a good sign then | 12:53 |
| TheJulia | openstacksdk is finding its self into a lot of places | 12:53 |
| TheJulia | which is awesome | 12:53 |
| dtantsur | TheJulia: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/596530/ right? | 12:53 |
| patchbot | patch 596530 - openstacksdk - Handle missing endpoint_data in maximum_supported_... - 2h 53m 26s spent in CI | 12:53 |
| etingof | good morning TheJulia & jroll ;) | 12:55 |
| TheJulia | dtantsur: can't brain yet, so I'm not sure what the question is re the patch | 12:55 |
| * TheJulia needs to make another latte | 12:55 | |
| dtantsur | the failure, but never mind | 12:55 |
| dtantsur | have latte indeed :) | 12:55 |
| TheJulia | dtantsur: ahh | 12:57 |
| TheJulia | I didn't look deeply into the error on friday, I was getting pulled in a couple different directions. I've not even opened the other laptop yet. I'm just trying to get meeting notes and stuff sorted without downstream chatter while I wake up | 12:58 |
| dtantsur | okay, it's fine. the bits seem in the right place now, just waiting for reviews | 12:59 |
| TheJulia | vdrok: It would be awesome if you could update the "neutron event processing" section of the ptg planning etherpad. https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-stein-ptg Line 49 | 13:00 |
| TheJulia | Everyone: go add +1s to topics https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-stein-ptg. Don't be afraid of the entire line color changing, its a known issue in etherpad introduced by a security fix. | 13:05 |
| TheJulia | dtantsur: Okay, I'll try to review today | 13:06 |
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| dtantsur | TheJulia: left a lot of comments. used new lines to avoid +1 problem | 13:14 |
| TheJulia | dtantsur: Thanks! | 13:17 |
| TheJulia | dtantsur: I replied to the one about federation in as much that if you want we could figure out a time to chat about it | 13:18 |
| * TheJulia wonders who is light yellow on the etherpad | 13:18 | |
| dtantsur | TheJulia: ++ to a chat/call. we can even schedule it formally, e.g. later this week or early next. | 13:19 |
| dtantsur | by formally I mean posting to the ML and inviting people who care | 13:19 |
| dtantsur | e.g. TripleO Edge team might care | 13:19 |
| TheJulia | ++ | 13:24 |
| TheJulia | That is kind of what I was thinking. Next week might be good because I'm going to loose a good chunk of next week to packing since I'll literally be on the road for almost two weeks | 13:24 |
| TheJulia | so a call would actually be nice | 13:24 |
| * TheJulia notices coffee is empty, and that she needs to go sign into other IRCs | 13:25 | |
| TheJulia | gah, I need to propose a gerrit config change | 13:30 |
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| dtantsur | TheJulia: feel free to propose some CEST-friendly time and day | 13:31 |
| jroll | I'd also like to be in that discussion too. I'm not sure federation solves our edge problems, but I think it may be useful down the road as we try to collapse our sprawl of control planes | 13:32 |
| * dtantsur creates a doodle | 13:34 | |
| dtantsur | jroll, TheJulia https://doodle.com/poll/y355wt97heffvp3m | 13:37 |
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| openstackgerrit | Chuck Short proposed openstack/python-ironicclient master: Replace assertRaisesRegexp with assertRaisesRegex https://review.openstack.org/596727 | 13:40 |
| jroll | oh, we want to talk about it asap eh | 13:41 |
| dtantsur | jroll: ideally before the PTG, because 1. I won't be there, 2. we need to come more prepared before the bigger audience. | 13:43 |
| jroll | yep | 13:44 |
| TheJulia | dtantsur: You rock | 13:45 |
| dtantsur | :) | 13:45 |
| jroll | sept 3 is a US holiday, btw | 13:45 |
| jroll | (which makes me realize I think I'm OOO this friday | 13:45 |
| jroll | ) | 13:45 |
| TheJulia | jroll: I didn't think it would, but you never know. :) | 13:45 |
| TheJulia | Ugh, a holiday | 13:45 |
| jroll | s/ugh/yay/ :) | 13:46 |
| jroll | oh, I am here friday after all | 13:46 |
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| jroll | dtantsur: "The two at Location{1,2} contain ironic-api, ironic-conductor, ironic-inspector and neutron-dhcp-agent." do you really need ironic-api there? | 13:51 |
| dtantsur | jroll: for ramdisk callbacks | 13:51 |
| dtantsur | unless we want them to go between locations | 13:51 |
| jroll | dtantsur: ah, I have just the spec for you :P | 13:51 |
| jroll | right | 13:51 |
| dtantsur | yep :) | 13:52 |
| dtantsur | if we solve that, we can drop ironic-api from there | 13:52 |
| * dtantsur is glad people are reading his emails :D | 13:52 | |
| jroll | :) | 13:52 |
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| scas | four days post-oral surgery and i've somehow refactored the chef cookbook for ironic | 14:12 |
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| rpioso | Good morning | 14:25 |
| TheJulia | scas: .... I'm not sure if I should be worried or intrigued. ;) | 14:34 |
| TheJulia | good morning rpioso | 14:34 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/ironic master: Replace assertRaisesRegexp with assertRaisesRegex https://review.openstack.org/596631 | 14:35 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/ironic master: Don't handle warnings as errors https://review.openstack.org/581874 | 14:35 |
| openstackgerrit | Chuck Short proposed openstack/ironic master: Replace assertRaisesRegexp with assertRaisesRegex https://review.openstack.org/596769 | 14:35 |
| TheJulia | jroll: I +1'ed conductor driven communication, needs a revision, but I think that would work really well with enabling greater concurrency with conductors | 14:35 |
| jroll | TheJulia: yeah, I need to get back to it, feels doable in stein though | 14:36 |
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| scas | TheJulia: considering it was sans caffeine, and still passed through my test suite, i'm intrigued myself | 14:37 |
| TheJulia | so crazy idea, I feel like we should try and co-ordinate two 4 months cycles inside the entire stein cycle | 14:37 |
| openstackgerrit | Olivier Bourdon proposed openstack/bifrost master: Fix deployment when improper version of python-openssl is installed https://review.openstack.org/591646 | 14:40 |
| openstackgerrit | Olivier Bourdon proposed openstack/bifrost master: Fix deployment when improper version of python-openssl is installed https://review.openstack.org/591646 | 14:42 |
| NobodyCam | Good morning Ironic'ers | 14:42 |
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| TheJulia | good morning NobodyCam | 14:42 |
| NobodyCam | :) | 14:43 |
| NobodyCam | Good Morning TheJulia, :) how the new table look? | 14:43 |
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| TheJulia | NobodyCam: awesome! | 14:44 |
| dtantsur | morning NobodyCam, rpioso | 14:44 |
| NobodyCam | :) \o/ woo hoo | 14:44 |
| NobodyCam | morning dtantsur :) | 14:45 |
| dtantsur | TheJulia: 4 months cycles sound perfect to my taste actually | 14:45 |
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| rpioso | dtantsur, NobodyCam, TheJulia: :-) | 14:45 |
| dtantsur | I've been pondering 4 months cycles and an LTS once a year.. | 14:45 |
| NobodyCam | morning rpioso :) | 14:45 |
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| openstackgerrit | Olivier Bourdon proposed openstack/bifrost master: Fix deployment when improper version of python-openssl is installed https://review.openstack.org/591646 | 14:46 |
| TheJulia | for those curious, NobodyCam and BadCub helped picking out a dining area table and chairs yesterday. | 14:46 |
| NobodyCam | \o/ 😊 | 14:46 |
| dtantsur | cool :) | 14:47 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ilya Etingof proposed openstack/ironic-specs master: IPA telemetry https://review.openstack.org/492702 | 14:48 |
| TheJulia | dtantsur: do you still have that doodle link handy? | 14:49 |
| dtantsur | TheJulia: https://doodle.com/poll/y355wt97heffvp3m | 14:49 |
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| TheJulia | I'll try to send out an email to the mailing list after the meeting | 14:50 |
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| dtantsur | cool, thanks! | 14:50 |
| dtantsur | let's emphasize that this is an early planning meeting, so people who look for a finished solution should wait a bit :) | 14:50 |
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| TheJulia | that is exactly what I was going to do | 14:50 |
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| TheJulia | is [edge] a tag now for the mailing list? :) | 14:52 |
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| dtantsur | TheJulia: I'd assume yes | 14:53 |
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| jroll | anything is a tag if you make it one :D | 14:59 |
| TheJulia | yeah :) | 14:59 |
| TheJulia | I know | 14:59 |
| TheJulia | more so was trying to see if it made sense for the discussion | 15:00 |
| TheJulia | Anyway! it is time for our meeting! | 15:00 |
| TheJulia | #startmeeting ironic | 15:00 |
| TheJulia | o/ | 15:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Aug 27 15:00:16 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is TheJulia. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 15:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 15:00 |
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| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'ironic' | 15:00 |
| etingof | o/ | 15:00 |
| cdearborn | \o | 15:00 |
| TheJulia | Greetings everyone from UTC-7 | 15:00 |
| dtantsur | o/ | 15:00 |
| kaifeng | o/ | 15:00 |
| hshiina | o/ | 15:00 |
| jroll | \o | 15:00 |
| rpioso | \o | 15:00 |
| rloo | o/ | 15:01 |
| TheJulia | Our agenda can be found on the wiki this week. It looks like we are announcement heavy, but I'll try and wrap that up quickly so we can proceed to everything else. | 15:01 |
| TheJulia | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 15:01 |
| deray | o/ | 15:01 |
| TheJulia | #info Stein PTG is in two weeks! | 15:01 |
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| TheJulia | #info Stein PTG topic etherpad should not receive any additional topics without first discussing TheJulia. | 15:02 |
| TheJulia | #info Expect a rough schedule to be posted in the next day or two to the etherpad. I'll send out a mailing list email at that time. | 15:02 |
| TheJulia | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-stein-ptg | 15:03 |
| openstackgerrit | Ilya Etingof proposed openstack/ironic-specs master: IPA telemetry https://review.openstack.org/492702 | 15:03 |
| TheJulia | #info Please go through the stein planning etherpad and +1 or comment on things that you see as important to discuss. This helps with prioritization and time slotting. | 15:03 |
| TheJulia | And now for some Congratulations! | 15:03 |
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| TheJulia | #info Please join me and welcoming etingof, deray, and kaifeng to becoming sub-project cores of several of our smaller projects. | 15:05 |
| rloo | congrats etingof, deray & kaifeng !!! | 15:05 |
| TheJulia | etingof: I need to put in a gerrit change for virtualbmc, it is on my todo list today. | 15:05 |
| dtantsur | \o/ | 15:05 |
| deray | hey! thank you all for showing your confidence on me! | 15:05 |
| dtantsur | congrats folks! | 15:05 |
| stendulker | Congrats all !! | 15:06 |
| * etingof is \o/ | 15:06 | |
| deray | dtantsur, thx :) o/ | 15:06 |
| kaifeng | thanks for putting trust on me :) | 15:06 |
| TheJulia | mjturek: has a time been set for the bug day tomorrow? | 15:06 |
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| mjturek | \o TheJulia | 15:06 |
| deray | \o/ * 100 | 15:06 |
| mjturek | yes, email just sent out | 15:06 |
| mjturek | bug day will be at 1500 UTC | 15:06 |
| deray | stendulker, o/ thx | 15:07 |
| TheJulia | #info Bug day is **tomorrow** at 1500 UTC. Thanks goes to mjturek for organizing! | 15:07 |
| jroll | congrats y'all :) | 15:07 |
| cdearborn | congrats all! | 15:07 |
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| TheJulia | One thing, worth note for now and I'll send out an email to the mailing list in an hour or so, is that we're going to try and organization a pre-ptg call to discuss federation/distributed/edge needs so that we go into the PTG with a better set of ideas. I'm currently trying to summarize out the two higher level use cases that I'm aware of, so maybe two hours. :) | 15:08 |
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| TheJulia | Does anyone have anything else to announce today? | 15:08 |
| TheJulia | And I totally forgot to set the topic to announcements... | 15:09 |
| TheJulia | lol | 15:09 |
| deray | jroll, cdearborn and everyone thank you all! :) | 15:09 |
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| TheJulia | Are we go to proceed if there are no other announcements | 15:11 |
| TheJulia | ? | 15:11 |
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| rloo | +1 | 15:11 |
| TheJulia | #topic Review action items from prior meeting | 15:11 |
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| TheJulia | #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2018/ironic.2018-08-20-15.00.log.html | 15:12 |
| TheJulia | There were two items. The first was to follow-up with ironic-staging-core members regarding reaching consensus. I did so. I believe they were good with ironic-core being added to the group that can review ironic-staging-drivers. | 15:13 |
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| TheJulia | The second item was for me to look at review stats and see about promoting some sub-project cores to our various sub-projects. As seen earlier in the meeting, that has been completed. | 15:14 |
| TheJulia | Moving on... | 15:14 |
| TheJulia | #topic Review subteam status reports | 15:14 |
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| TheJulia | #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard | 15:15 |
| TheJulia | Line 175 | 15:15 |
| deray | I would be curious to know the road ahead for ironic-inspector in terms of splitting out | 15:15 |
| rloo | we're done with the the project vision, right? (for Rocky) L239ish | 15:15 |
| TheJulia | rloo: we are! | 15:16 |
| rloo | just in time for Stein's ;) | 15:16 |
| TheJulia | rloo: I was thinking that would be a contextual topic to re-visit, but not take anywhere near the amount of time. I'm not sure how that would actually work in terms of getting people on the same page and to use the same words.... which is where I saw a lot of value from last time. | 15:16 |
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| dtantsur | deray: we have only one person actively working on ironic-inspector now - kaifeng | 15:17 |
| rloo | are we done with zuul v3 playbook refactoring (L259ish)? | 15:17 |
| * kaifeng is opening storyboard.. | 15:17 | |
| deray | dtantsur, yeah TheJulia informed me that | 15:17 |
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| TheJulia | rloo: we are not, I suspect that is going to become a long term slow refactoring of various repositories, I'm not sure it really needs to be a subteam item, but it might be good for us to focus on. I welcome others thoughts | 15:17 |
| rloo | TheJulia: I was wondering but am leaving that goals thing for you, whether to discuss or not at PTG and what is involved there :) | 15:18 |
| TheJulia | rloo: \o/ | 15:18 |
| rloo | TheJulia: if we want to leave it there, i would like to see some bullets or *something* more than 'refactoring'... | 15:18 |
| TheJulia | rloo: ++ | 15:18 |
| TheJulia | an actionable todo list would be ideal | 15:19 |
| kaifeng | deray: you can find several links in the https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2001842 | 15:19 |
| * TheJulia goes and makes a note | 15:19 | |
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| deray | dtantsur, just got in touch with him.. will try discussing that with him | 15:19 |
| deray | kaifeng, gr8 will have a look! noted! | 15:19 |
| rloo | TheJulia: wrt ironic-ui... L307. what are we doing with that? | 15:19 |
| TheJulia | one moment | 15:20 |
| TheJulia | rloo: note added to remind me to ensure that we end up with a defined list of easily actionable steps for items carried over | 15:21 |
| rloo | thx TheJulia | 15:21 |
| rloo | there's a section at the bottom, L325. Is that all captured in the Stein etherpad? Or err, are those your notes to yourself...? | 15:22 |
| TheJulia | rloo: I need to sync up with the horizon folks. The idea was that they were going to get their testing framework in a better place so that we could have a gating integration test, and once it finally broke in any substantial way we could then kind of put ironic-ui out to pasture if nobody is interested in contributing to it. | 15:22 |
| rloo | TheJulia: ok, ActionItem I guess. Has it even been touched in Rocky? | 15:22 |
| TheJulia | rloo: oh, those were all things I -2'ed | 15:22 |
| TheJulia | #action TheJulia to sync up with the Horizon team during the PTG re: ironic-ui. | 15:23 |
| rloo | TheJulia: :D open for business then! | 15:23 |
| TheJulia | rloo: yeah, I already pulled my -2's on those patches so I just deleted the list. | 15:23 |
| TheJulia | rloo: only thing during rocky were minor maintenance-ish changes | 15:24 |
| rloo | I'm good wrt Rocky priorities :) | 15:24 |
| TheJulia | and documentation | 15:24 |
| rloo | TheJulia: ah, so there was a bit of activity. thx. | 15:25 |
| TheJulia | Anyway, I think that covers status, priorities for this next week? | 15:25 |
| TheJulia | #topic Priorities for the coming week | 15:26 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Priorities for the coming week (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 15:26 | |
| TheJulia | I have not had a chance to re-visit the list and walk through them, especially regaridng the specs since friday. Does anyone have a spec they want to people to see, that way we can add it to the list for this week and take some of the others specs off the list? | 15:28 |
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| * jroll has none | 15:29 | |
| rloo | given the timeframe to ptg, are there any specs ready to look at. that we ought to do/prepare for ptg? | 15:29 |
| dtantsur | TheJulia: let's remove the inspector boot spec | 15:30 |
| dtantsur | I'm no longer working on it | 15:30 |
| dtantsur | and better add https://review.openstack.org/593545 | 15:30 |
| patchbot | patch 593545 - ironic-specs - Amendment of the agent http provisioning spec - 0h 19m 30s spent in CI | 15:30 |
| TheJulia | dtantsur: agreed | 15:31 |
| TheJulia | rloo: Kind of why I asked :) | 15:31 |
| rloo | TheJulia: :) | 15:31 |
| rloo | cricket1... | 15:33 |
| TheJulia | I made some minor adjustments | 15:34 |
| TheJulia | I feel like the specs repository in general needs some clean-up in gerrit | 15:34 |
| TheJulia | Perhaps we make a list of things we think are abandoned, and possibly abandon them? | 15:35 |
| TheJulia | s/we/we need to/ | 15:35 |
| TheJulia | One last question for priorities for the week, is there anything anyone would like to raise this week? | 15:35 |
| rloo | i have, but not as a priority | 15:36 |
| TheJulia | Well, the list is trimmed down a little, I guess we are good with that and can proceed to discussion | 15:37 |
| * TheJulia hears crickets | 15:38 | |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/ironic-ui master: Update reno for stable/rocky https://review.openstack.org/590320 | 15:38 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/ironic-ui stable/rocky: Update .gitreview for stable/rocky https://review.openstack.org/590318 | 15:38 |
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| rloo | TheJulia: sorry, are we still in priorities? | 15:38 |
| TheJulia | #topic Discussion | 15:38 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Discussion (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 15:38 | |
| * TheJulia thinks we reached consensus :) | 15:38 | |
| rloo | that's what i was looking for :) Just wanted to bring up PTG get-together? | 15:39 |
| TheJulia | I have one discussion worthy item. Meetings for the next few weeks. The PTG is in two weeks, so normally we would cancel that meeting, and possibly the meeting before or after. What would people like to do, because we can still run a meeting from the PTG monday morning. | 15:39 |
| TheJulia | rloo: I hadn't planned anything. There are some scheduled evening events, I was thinking it might be good if we all just go grab a bite to eat one night | 15:40 |
| rloo | i think we tend to still have a meeting the week before, in case there is anything to discuss/prep before | 15:40 |
| TheJulia | Or we could bring board games or something. | 15:40 |
| TheJulia | rloo: agreed | 15:40 |
| hamzy | mmm board games :) | 15:40 |
| rloo | i don't know if it is worth running a meeting PTG monday. | 15:41 |
| jroll | next monday is a US holiday, fwiw, but could still have a meeting | 15:41 |
| rloo | OH, forgot. Hmm. Also Canada holiday. I won't be attending. | 15:41 |
| TheJulia | The week following the PTG, I'll be in boston, but I won't be in the air on Monday of that week. | 15:41 |
| * TheJulia thinks finding a quiet coffee shop in boston is ideal for that day | 15:41 | |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/ironic-ui master: import zuul job settings from project-config https://review.openstack.org/592401 | 15:42 |
| TheJulia | (if anyone has recommendations...) | 15:42 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/ironic-ui master: switch documentation job to new PTI https://review.openstack.org/592402 | 15:42 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/ironic-ui master: add python 3.6 unit test job https://review.openstack.org/592403 | 15:42 |
| TheJulia | I guess we can keep the meetings except during the ptg, and plan on them being brief | 15:42 |
| TheJulia | I doubt I'll have anything substantially recounted from the PTG in a consumable form in time for the monday after. | 15:42 |
| rloo | if there are enough people -- week after PTG might be good. I guess one of the more important things is getting the Stein goals out, so we can update the etherpad etc. | 15:42 |
| dtantsur | usually we cancel the one during, and the one right afterwards | 15:43 |
| TheJulia | I'm for the one after, and it sounds like there is interest, even if we keep it super brief to "Is thejulia done writing stuff down yet?" "no" "Okay, going back to work now" | 15:44 |
| dtantsur | heh | 15:44 |
| TheJulia | Anyway, I feel like we're good to go to open discussion at this point | 15:44 |
| dtantsur | I can chair the one right after, I think | 15:44 |
| TheJulia | #topic Open Discussion | 15:44 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open Discussion (Meeting topic: ironic)" | 15:44 | |
| TheJulia | dtantsur: I'll let you know, my flights are actually relatively sane for that week. | 15:44 |
| dtantsur | cool | 15:45 |
| TheJulia | How do people feel about trying to plan two cycles with-in the stein cycle? | 15:45 |
| jroll | hm? | 15:45 |
| rloo | depends. what does that mean? | 15:45 |
| TheJulia | The stein cycle will be 8-ish months long, so what if we were to kind of try and focus on a distinct list of things for the first half, then a list of things for the second half of the cycle? | 15:46 |
| rloo | well, we could try. I don't really care. Seems like more work/overhead to manage it but as long as you/others are willing to do that, herd the cats, etc... | 15:46 |
| TheJulia | It will take a little more planning and consensus building to pull of, but I think it could be rewarding for us to do. Then again, there is that always present caveat I might be crazy. | 15:46 |
| TheJulia | s/of/off/ | 15:47 |
| jroll | what's the benefit? | 15:47 |
| TheJulia | better planning regarding stacking features I guess | 15:47 |
| rloo | I mean, the plan (before) was to push out releases as often as possible. | 15:47 |
| rloo | and the weekly priorities were meant to help with getting out features etc. | 15:47 |
| TheJulia | yeah, and that kind of falls by the wayside when we don't really progress on anything substantial for a few months | 15:47 |
| rloo | I'm not sure explicitly stating 'two cycles' will help speed things up beyond ^^, but I like to keep an open mind :) | 15:48 |
| jroll | I'd rather see more "let's not start on x/y/z until a/b/c is finished" than calling out specific dates or timelines or whatever | 15:48 |
| TheJulia | I guess I feel like we hit duldrums early on in the rocky cycle and then picked up steam a little later on. | 15:48 |
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| TheJulia | jroll: I'm +1 to taht | 15:48 |
| TheJulia | that | 15:48 |
| TheJulia | when we do that, we do tend to at least identify conflicts and kind of naturally begin to prioritize the path forward a bit more clearly | 15:49 |
| rloo | seems like we delayed releasing for awhile cuz of removal of classic drivers? and maybe 'lets get bios interface done'? | 15:49 |
| TheJulia | that too | 15:49 |
| TheJulia | since classic drivers was a hard breaking change instead of additive | 15:49 |
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| jroll | I think some people were out/downstream earlier in the cycle, too | 15:49 |
| TheJulia | ++ | 15:49 |
| jroll | but, beginning of cycle always feels a little slow | 15:50 |
| rloo | so maybe it makes more sense to look at the goals and figure out what/if there is a good order in which to land them. | 15:50 |
| TheJulia | yeah, downstream begins to pull many of us in after the stable branches get cut | 15:50 |
| TheJulia | rloo: ++ | 15:50 |
| rloo | it also depends on the folks working on the features etc. hard to get guarantees that things will be ready when we want it. | 15:50 |
| TheJulia | yeah | 15:50 |
| TheJulia | I think we're starting to get a little better about picking things back up, but that is just my perception | 15:51 |
| rloo | honestly, my perception is that you and dmitry picked up a lot... | 15:51 |
| rloo | but i feel like we are doing a retrospective thingy now | 15:52 |
| rloo | (or I am anyway) | 15:52 |
| TheJulia | Anyway, I'll try to make sure we note inter-dependencies/order thoughts and write it down so we capture those sorts of things from the PTG since it does also get discussed at times, and then we can kind of go into the next cycle with at least that mentally captured | 15:52 |
| TheJulia | rloo: kind of slipping into a retrospective, which is not a bad thing since we're in open discussion :) | 15:53 |
| rloo | true if we want to discuss now instead of at PTG. I don't really want to discuss twice :) | 15:53 |
| TheJulia | I just wanted to gather people's thoughts early so I can frame notes and follow-up items with that in mind | 15:53 |
| TheJulia | Given that we have newer contributors present, I wasn't thinking a retrospective during the ptg. | 15:54 |
| jroll | oh | 15:54 |
| * jroll thinks every ptg should have a retro | 15:54 | |
| TheJulia | maybe if we keep it brief and objective oriented? | 15:54 |
| rloo | i don't really care where we do the retrospective, but we should. although i am not sure it is a good idea to do one now w/o any notice. | 15:55 |
| jroll | what's the reason not to have one? | 15:55 |
| rloo | but on the other hand, would people have made an effort to be here today if they knew. | 15:55 |
| jroll | there's still two weeks to prep in etherpad | 15:55 |
| TheJulia | rloo: oh, yeah, I agree, we've shifted subjects amazingly far :) | 15:55 |
| jroll | I don't understand why having newer contributors present means we shouldn't have a retro | 15:56 |
| jroll | (and what are we basing "newer contributors" off of?) | 15:56 |
| TheJulia | jroll: I guess my thought, at this is just completely off the cuff, was that there is not a reason to weigh new contributors down with long time contributors kind of kicking ourselves for the things we can't control. | 15:57 |
| TheJulia | jroll: the attendee list | 15:57 |
| TheJulia | jroll: it seems half/half | 15:57 |
| rloo | oh, wait a minute. retrospective is what went well and what went not well. | 15:57 |
| jroll | well, I would hope we focus on more than "woe is us, we are losing contributors" | 15:57 |
| jroll | TheJulia: I recognize most of those names as long-time community members, although quieter | 15:58 |
| TheJulia | jroll: yeah, that too should be avoided, but we've successfully navigated that for a while :) | 15:58 |
| jroll | I see 3 names that I don't recall from previous cycles | 15:58 |
| jroll | TheJulia: well, what else can we not control? :) | 15:58 |
| rloo | yeah, i was about to say 3 names too. | 15:58 |
| TheJulia | jroll: rotation of the planet? | 15:58 |
| rloo | anyway, 'new' contributors could be lurkers, could provide their perception too. | 15:58 |
| TheJulia | I count six from my point of view, but okay | 15:59 |
| jroll | I hope rotation of the planet doesn't have a major effect on the progress of ironic :P | 15:59 |
| rloo | oh, true. i recognize at least one name from other openstack stuff. | 15:59 |
| rloo | anyway... | 15:59 |
| TheJulia | well, should it suddenly stop, so would ironic (unless we begin building our moon and martian research and development bases) | 15:59 |
| * TheJulia has reached silly | 15:59 | |
| rloo | meeting is over now, which might be a good thing... | 16:00 |
| TheJulia | and we're also at an hour. :) | 16:00 |
| TheJulia | I'll put in a window for retrospective and getting to the same words (what that looks like, I don't know yet) | 16:00 |
| TheJulia | "vision review" | 16:00 |
| rloo | thx TheJulia! | 16:01 |
| TheJulia | Anyway, does anyone have anything else that we need to discuss or that needs to be raised? | 16:01 |
| * TheJulia hears crickets and thinks that is a no | 16:02 | |
| TheJulia | Thanks everyone! | 16:02 |
| * jroll has an issue - severely lacking food in stomach | 16:02 | |
| TheJulia | #endmeeting | 16:02 |
| deray | Thanks all! | 16:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bare Metal Provisioning | Status: http://bit.ly/ironic-whiteboard | Docs: http://docs.openstack.org/ironic/ | Bugs: https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/project_group/75" | 16:02 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Aug 27 16:02:23 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:02 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2018/ironic.2018-08-27-15.00.html | 16:02 |
| jroll | thanks TheJulia :) | 16:02 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2018/ironic.2018-08-27-15.00.txt | 16:02 |
| TheJulia | jroll: go eat :) | 16:02 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ironic/2018/ironic.2018-08-27-15.00.log.html | 16:02 |
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| TheJulia | heh | 16:07 |
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| jroll | ooo, metalsmith | 16:54 |
| * jroll will review tomorrow | 16:54 | |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/ironic master: Fix provisioning failure with `ramdisk` deploy interface https://review.openstack.org/596534 | 17:21 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/python-ironicclient stable/ocata: import zuul job settings from project-config https://review.openstack.org/592433 | 17:22 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/python-ironicclient stable/pike: import zuul job settings from project-config https://review.openstack.org/592443 | 17:22 |
| openstackgerrit | Dmitry Tantsur proposed openstack/ironic stable/rocky: Fix provisioning failure with `ramdisk` deploy interface https://review.openstack.org/596846 | 17:23 |
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| dtantsur|afk | see you tomorrow | 17:24 |
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| TheJulia | goodnight | 17:26 |
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| TheJulia | bfournie: You mentioned on the planning etherpad that you'll be in TripleO sessions, do you know if they have a schedule up yet? | 18:41 |
| bfournie | TheJulia: let me look | 18:43 |
| * TheJulia gets out a sauce pan for the schedule and begins adding ingredients | 18:43 | |
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| bfournie | TheJulia: Tripleo schedule is not up/ready yet | 18:57 |
| TheJulia | rpioso: Regarding events, is the thought regarding just how to collect them? | 18:57 |
| TheJulia | bfournie: thanks | 18:57 |
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| hamzy | if I see 'Request to http://10.0.10.33:9696/v2.0/ports timed out' on the controller, but I can do 'openstack port list' on the controller. Does that command talk to port 9696? | 20:01 |
| TheJulia | hamzy: that might be the default development port for neutron's api | 20:02 |
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| TheJulia | if it is not that way in actuality, sounds like a bad endpoint in keystone | 20:02 |
| hamzy | hrm... is there a openstack CLI for keystone? | 20:03 |
| TheJulia | rpioso: you around? | 20:05 |
| TheJulia | jroll: how much time do you think you'd need to present secureboot? | 20:10 |
| jroll | TheJulia: present? maybe 10 minutes. discuss? dunno | 20:11 |
| jroll | I plan to write something up this week for pre-reading | 20:11 |
| jroll | but history proves most won't read it | 20:11 |
| TheJulia | heh, I'll read it! I promise! | 20:11 |
| jroll | hamzy: openstack client has keystone commands | 20:12 |
| jroll | hamzy: also `openstack --debug port list` will show the API calls including the port | 20:12 |
| TheJulia | I feel like another 5 minutes might be good to discuss the status of secureboot presently, and maybe 20 minutes for discussion? | 20:12 |
| TheJulia | hamzy: there is also a keystone-manage command | 20:12 |
| jroll | TheJulia: sure, though full disclosure, I only know how we do secureboot, not how others do it (with or without ironic) | 20:13 |
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| TheJulia | 40-45 minute block seems about right... Mix in changing the default boot mode to uefi and we could run a while | 20:13 |
| jroll | TheJulia: e.g. we aren't signing the final image we boot, only the stages to get there (and trusting mutual TLS to do the right thing when getting the final image) | 20:13 |
| TheJulia | but that is also a discussion that is needed | 20:13 |
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| TheJulia | jroll: attestation at all? | 20:14 |
| jroll | TheJulia: not with a central server, we only rely on the TPM registers being set to the right value by the various steps in the boot process | 20:15 |
| TheJulia | that makes sense | 20:16 |
| TheJulia | I'll try to find a time block, I think there are some intertwined items that are going to need a little more though before a final schedule | 20:16 |
| hamzy | jroll, thanks! | 20:16 |
| jroll | tl;dr we burn grub and ipxe to disk, so those are measured (along with the hardware). if those are good, we unlock the private key for mutual TLS auth to fetch the final image | 20:17 |
| jroll | (the key being stored in the TPM) | 20:17 |
| hamzy | I see stuff like "GET call to network for http://10.0.10.33:9696/v2.0/ports/17ae0298-77c7-4451-9e17-bd528031935b used request id req-96454bf9-f84d-415a-a7f5-123b932a5d4e" weird... | 20:17 |
| hamzy | the CLI does work but nova/ironic baremetal doesn't | 20:18 |
| jroll | very interesting | 20:19 |
| jroll | I have no clue what could cause that | 20:20 |
| TheJulia | jroll: I guess from a counter point, it might be good if I brought a diagram how some people view secure boot working from a differnet point of view | 20:21 |
| jroll | TheJulia: yes, I want to make it work for everyone | 20:21 |
| jroll | but especially me, of course :) | 20:21 |
| TheJulia | oh absolutely :) | 20:22 |
| jroll | then again... most of the process is outside of ironic. so I have 143 lines in a plugin that give me an out of tree boot interface that just boots straight to disk and symlinks some images, and that does the job for me. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ | 20:23 |
| jroll | it needs some work but the POC totally works | 20:23 |
| TheJulia | yeah, for a lot of the stuff for ironic to better support it in general, we need to consider things https boot from url support and enabling grub templates to include ?tboot.o? | 20:24 |
| TheJulia | ipxe side, it will be interesting to kind of talk about since that is the entire other side of the coin | 20:25 |
| jroll | yeah, we have a modified ipxe that does TPM things *waves hands* | 20:26 |
| TheJulia | oh, no worries :) | 20:26 |
| jroll | I have no clue what it'd take to OSS that | 20:26 |
| TheJulia | there is git.ipxe.org, but yeah | 20:27 |
| TheJulia | jroll: w/r/t "edge conductors", in your case can credentials be local or may they only be on the central system? | 20:27 |
| jroll | TheJulia: ideally there would be no creds in the edge site | 20:28 |
| TheJulia | thats what I thought | 20:28 |
| jroll | that's one reason why I noted an IPMI proxy thing, conductor would be central and forward credentials along | 20:28 |
| TheJulia | I have ideas and thoughts... | 20:28 |
| TheJulia | but I can't put them to words yet | 20:28 |
| * TheJulia wonders if deploying beer would help | 20:28 | |
| jroll | I'm eager to hear, I haven't fully thought out everything | 20:28 |
| * TheJulia wonders if we just need a whole "edge" timeblock with a 'fill in details later" | 20:29 | |
| jroll | couple gallons left in the keg here, too bad I don't live on the bear metal compound with you and NobodyCam :P | 20:29 |
| TheJulia | jroll: well there is an empty lot to each side .. and if you like wind, we have lots of wind | 20:30 |
| TheJulia | tonight's project, minor tree trimming to reduce noise, and possibly re-welding the fence... again. | 20:31 |
| jroll | oof | 20:31 |
| * TheJulia thinks thursday morning is a good time for edge discussions | 20:31 | |
| jroll | had my driveway redone today, it finally looks nice so may have the motivation to trim branches around it now | 20:31 |
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| TheJulia | etingof: (tomorrow question if your already afk): does redfish have any standardization around console access? | 20:50 |
| etingof | TheJulia, yes, but there seem to be some nuisances | 20:53 |
| TheJulia | vendor definable magical incantations? | 20:53 |
| etingof | TheJulia, no, there is one a little weird thing - console access for a ComputerSystem is configured through the Manager resource | 20:56 |
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| TheJulia | What would be the implication of that if we wanted to have sushy-tools trigger libvirt's vnc console for a test vm? | 20:57 |
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| etingof | ...if a Manager is managing multiple Systems, there seems to be no way to configure console access for multiple Systems | 20:58 |
| TheJulia | that seems reasonable since I would think it is a 1 request to 1 system sort of action | 20:59 |
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| etingof | well, I'd expect both Systems and Managers to expose some resource/actions to enable console access to both Systems and Managers | 21:01 |
| TheJulia | oh | 21:01 |
| etingof | because System and Manager can be a computer with its own console | 21:01 |
| TheJulia | interesting | 21:01 |
| TheJulia | but you can only do it on a manager | 21:01 |
| TheJulia | ugh | 21:01 |
| etingof | yes, and the bad thing is that manager-system mapping is of one to many kind | 21:02 |
| etingof | but this should not prevent us from adding console emulation to sushy-tools I think... | 21:03 |
| etingof | what I've dug up so far on console support is this mock (see Managers) -- https://redfish.dmtf.org/redfish/mockups/v1/862 | 21:06 |
| TheJulia | "No schema details found" :( | 21:08 |
| etingof | there is also the schema (I will grep for it) | 21:09 |
| etingof | (I need to grep in .zip) %-\ | 21:09 |
| TheJulia | :( | 21:09 |
| jroll | etingof: too bad it isn't .gzip | 21:10 |
| jroll | <3 zgrep | 21:10 |
| etingof | too bad it's not in google ;) | 21:10 |
| jroll | heh | 21:11 |
| etingof | hold on, once I manage to get my kid to bed, I will grep up that console schema | 21:12 |
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| TheJulia | etingof: no worries | 21:23 |
| TheJulia | etingof: and it can wait till tomorrow :) | 21:23 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/ironic stable/rocky: Fix provisioning failure with `ramdisk` deploy interface https://review.openstack.org/596846 | 21:41 |
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| etingof | ...and it turned out that the homework is not finished | 21:56 |
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