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openstackgerritfupingxie proposed openstack/ironic master: Add more parameter explanation when create a node  https://review.openstack.org/53194100:44
openstackgerritfupingxie proposed openstack/ironic master: Add more parameter explanation when create a node  https://review.openstack.org/53194100:48
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openstackgerritRushil Chugh proposed openstack/ironic master: Add documentation for XClarity Driver  https://review.openstack.org/54965901:18
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openstackgerritMoshe Levi proposed openstack/ironic master: WIP: add new transport option for iscsi module  https://review.openstack.org/54968706:23
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openstackgerritMoshe Levi proposed openstack/ironic-python-agent master: WIP: add new transport argument into iscsi.start_iscsi_target api  https://review.openstack.org/54968806:25
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openstackgerritKaifeng Wang proposed openstack/ironic master: Update docstring to agent client related codes  https://review.openstack.org/54320706:38
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openstackgerritMoshe Levi proposed openstack/ironic-python-agent master: mlnx hardware_manager: get mac address using netifaces  https://review.openstack.org/54970708:24
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openstackgerritTuan Luong-Anh proposed openstack/ironic master: [WIP] Implement iRMC BIOS configuration  https://review.openstack.org/53459509:25
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openstackgerritZachary Ma proposed openstack/networking-generic-switch master: support to recover default vlan when delete port  https://review.openstack.org/54887709:50
openstackgerritZachary Ma proposed openstack/networking-generic-switch master: support to recover default vlan when delete port  https://review.openstack.org/54887709:52
pas-hamorning ironic! :)10:06
pas-hahow was people's trip home?10:06
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vdrokgood morning ironic!11:49
vdrokpas-ha: not a single delay!11:49
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openstackgerritMark Goddard proposed openstack/bifrost stable/queens: Use the stable/queens branch for dependencies  https://review.openstack.org/54976013:33
openstackgerritMark Goddard proposed openstack/bifrost stable/queens: Collect ironic-inspector logs  https://review.openstack.org/54976113:33
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mgoddard_morning ironic13:50
mgoddard_has anyone seen this in inspector's lldp_basic and local_link_connection plugins: 'ConstructError: Embedding only works with: Struct, Sequence, FocusedSeq, Union'13:51
mgoddard_reproducible by running py27 on master, but fine on queens13:52
mgoddard_another construct lib breakage?13:52
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bfourniemgoddard_: ugh, yeah I'm seeing that too in master now, construct==2.9.3514:10
mgoddard_bfournie: do we need to cap construct?14:11
mgoddard_backwards compatibility - what's that?14:12
bfourniebfournie: yeah, I think we should, 2nd time there is breakage now, although I think pas-ha got some pushback when tried to limit the version last time?14:13
mgoddard_it's just delaying the inevitable I guess, but it would fix the current issue14:14
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bfourniemgoddard_: have you created a bug yet? if not I will14:18
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mgoddard_bfournie: not yet14:20
mgoddard_bfournie: go ahead if you've got a minute, otherwise I will do it later14:21
bfourniemgoddard_: doing it now14:21
mgoddard_bfournie: great, thanks :)14:21
bfourniemgoddard_: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ironic-inspector/+bug/175350614:26
openstackLaunchpad bug 1753506 in Ironic Inspector "LLDP tests fail with construct error" [Undecided,New]14:26
mgoddard_bfournie: thanks14:27
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TheJuliaGood morning everyone14:54
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TheJuliavdrok: I’m jealous.... I got home about 11 hours ago.14:55
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vdrokmorning TheJulia , heh14:55
TheJuliaThe logical translation is that this means that I’m going to be somewhere between brain slug afflicted and zombie.14:56
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* TheJulia wonders how many people are still in-transit...15:03
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mgoddard_I made it home about 3pm yesterday, but I was only ever a few hundred miles from home15:06
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TheJuliamgoddard_: WOW :(15:07
mgoddard_longest PTG ever :)15:08
mgoddard_I blame the arctic15:09
TheJuliaIt felt super productive....15:09
mgoddard_arctic was 40C warmer than it should be at this time of year15:09
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TheJuliamgoddard_: Well, that is bad15:10
mgoddard_but yeah, turns out preventing people from leaving can increase productivity15:10
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TheJuliaTrue, although, there is major cost to that interaction as well15:13
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* TheJulia tries to mentally convey announcement/agenda items to the wiki even if we don’t end up really being able to have a meeting today15:15
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TheJuliajohnthetubaguy: So... lots of coffee?15:31
* johnthetubaguy nods15:31
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TheJuliaThat moment I realize I’m likely going to have a migraine later today15:34
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* persia mutters about the vast number of operating systems that are incapable of usefully forward-tracking expected timezones as browser settings making "automatic timezone adjustment" to be more likely a bug than a feature15:38
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TheJuliapersia: Is it time for another effort to eliminate time zones?15:41
* TheJulia clicks save on the meeting agenda, and thinks it is just better to cancel the meeting15:42
* TheJulia goes and gets more coffee15:42
persiaTheJulia: No.  Timezones are useful.  Two bugs: a) many RFCs use offset-from-UTC as a proxy for timezone (which is incorrect over time), b) it is rare to find a system that is capable of showing a forward view of expected timezones, such that while a given offset from UTC might work for someone today, it might not work for them when either their government changes the timezone definition or they travel/return from travel.15:44
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NobodyCamTheJulia: its very common to cancel the first meeting after PTG or summit15:54
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NobodyCamand Good Morning Ironic'ers... Safe travels to all those returning from the PTG!15:58
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TheJuliapersia: I see item b being resolved by a single time... But yeah, complex issues.16:34
TheJuliaI’m going to cancel it... zombies.... we are.16:37
rloogood morning ironic'ers! cancelling is fine, what's there to report? that we were stuck in dublin? :)16:38
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rlooTheJulia: probably the most important thing :) is to send out the tentative list of priorities?16:38
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openstackgerritRuby Loo proposed openstack/ironic-specs master: Move 2 finished specs to corresponding releases  https://review.openstack.org/54948416:41
TheJuliarloo: Yeah, I’m typing up an email now. I know a couple people I spoke to were unable to fly out until Monday timeframe :\16:45
rlooTheJulia: i am not sure, but I think hironori can't fly out until Tuesday (or maybe he gets home on Tuesday) and I know of one person that made it out of Dublin but missed connecting flight in heathrow and is leaving today. so crazy.16:46
TheJuliaWow16:47
TheJuliaRescue, cycle priorities... I’m trying to think if there is anything critical to this week. My brain is fried16:47
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rlooTheJulia: i think the only thing 'critical' is the priorities, and only so that we can move forward sooner/faster.16:53
rlooTheJulia: from you, an email with a recap of the PTG, but that isn't critical either16:54
rlooTheJulia: thank you for being PTL!16:54
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TheJulia:)16:57
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TheJuliaEmail sent17:00
* TheJulia sips more coffee17:00
rloohshiina, Nisha_Agarwal, and others: we've cancelled today's meeting. See email that TheJulia just sent out.17:01
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Nisha_Agarwalrloo, TheJulia yeah i just now saw the mail17:02
hshiinarloo: sure, thanks17:02
rloohshiina: are you still in Dublin?17:02
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hshiinai'm now waiting for a flight in Munich17:02
hshiinarloo: i left dublin this morning17:02
rloohshiina: good, at least you're getting somewhere! good luck!17:03
hshiinarloo: thank you, see you!17:04
rloohshiina: :)17:04
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rloough, the subteam stuff on the etherpad are gone :-( This is why we need to use storyboard, cuz those things still need to be tracked (or at least, some place for me to easily find out status etc)17:28
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rloo(good thing the timeslider thing works...)17:29
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TheJuliaUgh :(17:34
vdrokgood morning rloo!17:38
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rloohi vdrok!17:38
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TheJuliaYeah, super quiet in here today19:26
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itlinuxhello all..19:40
itlinuxI would like to know if possible to use ironic to boot up a dell box and run the update from the iso they are giving us and then place the box back to OpenStack.19:40
TheJuliaitlinux: what do you mean by "run the update" ?19:43
itlinuxwe have an issue were we need to run dell iso to update the firmware19:43
itlinuxso I was thinking to add the iso into glance19:43
TheJuliahmmm19:43
TheJuliarpioso: thoughts?19:43
itlinuxand then create a profile to that..19:43
TheJuliarpioso: ^^^19:43
itlinuxonce a profile is created use that to boot with ironic and have it run, reboot and then place it back to ooo19:44
TheJuliaitlinux: The drac driver doesn't really appear to have virtual media support. I thought it did though, but even then our workflow really doesn't support a dell generated ISO. We do support a concept of "cleaning", but that doesn't work for temporary updates19:46
TheJuliaI feel like we might be able to craft a rescue ramdisk that could facilitate or do that19:46
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itlinuxthat will be super TheJulia19:47
itlinuxcould you provide info on how we can make that happen?19:47
TheJuliarpioso or one of his cohorts might have some ideas, but it is also kind of not the best day to ask since so many of us have had... "fun" traveling back from meeting in dublin ireland last week19:47
itlinuxI am sure..19:48
itlinuxI know PTG was last week.19:48
itlinuxtomorrow is fine too!19:48
itlinuxthanks for start helping TheJulia:19:48
TheJuliaitlinux: is this iso published publically?19:49
itlinuxlet me check one sec..19:49
TheJuliaitlinux: I just got home late last night... and I left early Saturday morning19:49
itlinuxyes here is the link Get Dell bootable update ISO from https://dell.app.box.com/v/bootableR630/file/27307151530919:50
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itlinuxwow.. where are you based TheJulia?19:51
TheJuliaitlinux: I have essentially moved to southern california, so we also had to stop overnight along the way because there was no way to make it realistically19:52
itlinuxwow!19:53
itlinuxI am northern CA19:53
itlinuxI was just in LA over the weekend19:53
TheJulialike... like... the last flight took off at 8:47 PM, we would have landed at at 8:46... ended up landing at 9PM19:53
TheJuliaCool!19:53
TheJuliaWe weren't able to get out of salt lake city until the following day at like 4 PM :(19:54
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TheJuliaThat is a huge ISO image :\ which means it would be difficult to make net-bootable19:55
TheJuliaSpeaking of such, this was one of the topics that there was cross-company interest in at the PTG19:56
TheJuliaitlinux: In a perfect world, what would be your preferred interaction (asking because it is an valid data point for the entire discussion)?20:01
TheJuliato update firmware that is20:01
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itlinuxwell the perfect world would be to be able to use Ironic also for the outside world not openstack only.. and in this case to use ironic to boot up the bm machine run the update of the firmware as needed and then have them be part of the cluster they were at.. (in) without having to remove them from the introspection20:03
itlinuxso on demand using ironic, saying boot this machine with the iso run the update shutdown reboot normally.20:03
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TheJuliaone of the things that gets expressed somewhat often is ability to define/choose/state what would be required or ideal firmware wise, but after deployment I guess most deployments would just be tracking along for updates20:06
itlinuxyea to be able to choose which image to use to do updates, and not having to decomission that box from the cluster that will be nice20:07
TheJuliaYeah, I was thinking rescue woudl be easy/ideal but we expect our agent to be in the image, and from there can be any sort of tooling... but it all depends on the ideal place to drive updates.20:09
TheJuliaThis all gets more into pet management which we've resisted but we've also kind of reached consensus we should embrace it of sorts20:09
itlinuxok20:10
itlinuxdo you know if there is a way to use ironic from the undercloud to boot up or create vms that are not in OpenStack?20:11
TheJuliaitlinux: Totally do-able to deploy using ironic. We have some documentation out there. Generally the use case is referred to as "stand-alone" usage20:12
itlinuxyes can you send me the info by chance?20:12
itlinuxthanks20:12
mikal_Am I correct in my reading of the docs that I need to use an ansible play to boot a machine using bifrost?20:14
persiaIn terms of pet vs. cattle metaphors, hardware firmware updates remind me of managing a sheep dip.20:14
persiaIn that, for a large cluster of near-identical machines, one wants to have each member of the cluster execute the special update once, but probably doesn't want to think about the scheduling.  If the cluster is of size one, the user should probably be able to use the same interface.20:15
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TheJuliapersia: you have broken my brain with the imagery20:15
TheJuliamikal_: no, you can do it via the "openstack baremetal" or the deprecated "ironic" cli20:16
itlinuxyea fortunately we have all same machines now.20:16
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persiaTheJulia: e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ivTLg7in3xM20:16
* TheJulia is afraid to click the link20:16
TheJuliamikal_: itlinux: looking for docs, it has been a long time since I've looked for it :)20:17
itlinuxthanks!20:17
mikal_TheJulia: herm, the bifrost doc I am reading leaves me thinking that I need the ansible thing in order for config drive to work?20:21
mikal_TheJulia: I might be reading it wrong though, its happened before20:21
TheJuliaitlinux: mikal_: https://docs.openstack.org/ironic/queens/install/standalone.html might fill in some blanks starting about 30% down the page. One step, depending on the ironic install would be "vif" attachment and detachment20:21
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mikal_https://docs.openstack.org/bifrost/latest/user/howto.html#deploy-hardware is what I am looking at if that helps20:22
TheJuliamikal_: A config drive can be defined by hand, and supplied on by the CLI when you wish to deploy the node. It is a standardized format which helps... We just created some tooling to help a user assemble one programmatically with ansible.20:22
mikal_TheJulia: why isn't ironic just generating the config drive itself? Because that code is buried in nova?20:23
TheJuliamikal_: Well, that and we can't really make those level of assumptions. We simply don't know nor have the interface to try to understand what a user might be trying to do to do the generation.20:23
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TheJuliapersia: this concept of sheep dipping is so confusing....20:25
itlinuxgetting some lunch will be back later today! Thanks guys!20:25
mikalThere has been some talk in the past about pulling the config drive code out of nova into into a library in oslo or whatever. I wonder if that would make things easier for the bifrost case. It sounds like you already have a workable solution however.20:25
mikalSo in summary, if I want a config drive in my ironic instance from bifrost, ansible is where its at?20:25
TheJuliaitlinux: enjoy!20:26
TheJuliamikal: in bifrost, we just wanted something that could easily take, hack on, do their own thing, and contribute it back to the community if it made sense20:27
TheJuliamikal: it makes it easy since there are a number of steps because your basically creating a iso9660 image, that has been uuencoded and gziped (although, maybe in the reverse order)20:28
TheJuliaI think it might make sense, the conundrum might also be the tight coupling with the write out of things like the networking metadata20:28
TheJuliamake sense to split out that is20:28
mikalI think we could refactor away the coupling if we needed to20:29
mikalI'm not sure there's a great need if you already have a solution though20:29
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TheJuliaYeah, some of the OPNFV folks and the scientific computing folks have submitted fixes/improvements since in a lot of cases they may need to generate complex things that don't quite fit into the nova config drive generation anyway20:32
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persiaTheJulia: Trust me: the image of sheep dipping is much more pleasant than cattle worming (although the purposes are the same).  Given the nature of OEM firmware updates, I have trouble coming up with a better metaphor.20:35
persiaMy main point is that I don't think this is a pet-like case, but it is a do-once-to-each-individual-thing-and-keep-track case.20:36
* TheJulia twitches20:37
mikalTheJulia: interesting. It would be interesting to know what they needed.20:38
mikalIn other news...20:38
mikalSo now I have bifrost managing the power state of my lab machines.20:38
mikalHow do I mark a node in ironic as being power managed, but not deployable?20:38
persia\o/20:38
TheJuliamikal: \o/20:38
mikali.e. that's a hand built machine and I would be fairly sad if it go reinstalled20:39
TheJuliapersia: so to that point, tracking/reporting/extensibility is a huge issue in regulated environments20:39
mikalSo its kind of deployed already, but from a time-before-ironic20:39
mikalAnd I still want to use ironic to manage its power state20:39
TheJuliaalthough I've not gone through regulatory style audits in years, but the standards are generally published.....20:39
* TheJulia ponders....20:39
persiaTheJulia: Yep, and with GDPR, there are increasingly few non-regulated environments20:39
TheJuliamikal: "manageable" state is manageable, available on the state machine is can be deployable20:40
TheJuliapersia: That is a really good point... would you happen to have a reference to the auditing requirements that are being generated out of that?20:40
* TheJulia can't believe she just asked that question20:41
mikalTheJulia: ahh, so keep these hand built machines in "manageable", and put the machines which ironic can deploy onto into "available"?20:41
TheJuliamikal: ahhh... hmmm20:41
TheJuliamikal: So that is why we created the "adopt" verb/option20:41
TheJuliamikal: that allows movement in the statemachine to "active" state20:41
mikalKeep talking, adopt is news to me...20:41
TheJuliamikal: from manageable or possibly even enroll, adopt can be used to move a node directly to active20:42
TheJuliawith no action upon the node20:42
* mikal googles20:42
persiaTheJulia: Not really.  http://ec.europa.eu/newsroom/document.cfm?doc_id=44100 may help some.20:43
TheJuliamikal: that helps (google that is, bouncing between three different interrupts at the moment)20:43
persiaAll the info I find is proprietary audit models from consultancies, none of which seem to agree entirely.20:43
mikalTheJulia: you can also put me on hold... I need to get out of my PJs at some point anyways.20:43
TheJuliapersia: has ISO not translated it out to audit standards yet?20:43
persiaI thought it was EU-driven, rather than ISO.20:44
TheJuliamikal: https://docs.openstack.org/ironic/queens/admin/adoption.html20:44
* persia is only on the edge of GDPR stuff, really20:44
TheJuliapersia: yes, but iso has taken various standards and done mapping for compliance stuffs in the past20:44
TheJulialike xyz standard covers abc regulatory standard20:45
persiaI find statements by consultancies that ISO 27001 both provides GDPR compliance and that it is insufficient.  I am unlikely to develop an opinion without significant incentive, and unqualified to register a formal opinion with any standing.20:46
TheJuliaThe fun of "young" standards20:47
persiaSadly, this is statutory, rather than merely regulatory or industry practice.20:47
persiaWhich means many of the steps in industry consensus building are skipped.20:48
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TheJuliaTrue... it is likely to generate quite a bit in implementation/compliance guidance20:49
persiaYep, but I think mostly Ironic doesn't care, except in that it would be nice to be able to indicate whether a specific unit of hardware had undergone one of potentially several sequential one-time processes.20:49
persiaThe firmware example is a good one, but there are also various auditing use cases for the same sort of functionality.20:50
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TheJuliapersia: Indeed. I was only thinking understanding would be useful in order to better understand what the workflow needs/reporting requirements may be, at least at a high level where it would be useful, such as firmware20:51
persiaWhere one wants to take something offline, run some special image, and then put it back online; via some process that guarantees that each unit will undergo this process only once, and that all units (or all specified units) will eventually undergo the process.20:51
persiaSadly, I don't have enough detail to help with that.20:51
TheJulia:)20:52
persia(and I suspect it is late enough in the day that most folk with current $dayjob GDPR responsibilities are done for the day)20:52
TheJuliaI have a calendar reminder to try and drive some discussion in the next couple of weeks20:52
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bfournie1mgoddard: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/549866/21:09
patchbotpatch 549866 - requirements - Limit construct lib to before 2.921:09
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rajiniritlinux, TheJulia: rpioso and cdearboarn, both are  on vacation. I have sent an email about your conversation on dell server, will get back to you. itlinux what's your email21:36
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rloowhat's wrong with ci? argh, will wait til tomorrow: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/474331/21:41
patchbotpatch 474331 - ironic - reloads mutable config values on SIGHUP21:41
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rlooTheJulia, dtantsur, jlvillal: am I correct, we are not using openstack/ironic-inspector-tempest-plugin cuz we decided to use ironic-tempest-plugin for both?21:44
rloothe git repo exists and it is mentioned in a few places. if we don't need, any of you know what to do to delete it all? if not, i'll ask infra. http://codesearch.openstack.org/?q=ironic-inspector-tempest-plugin&i=nope&files=&repos=21:44
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itlinuxthanks my email is Remo@mattei.org21:55
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persiarloo: https://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/drivers.html#retiring-a-project22:26
rloopersia: thx!22:26
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jlvillalrloo, Correct. They were combined into to one repository22:49
jlvillalrloo, We never used ironic-inspector-plugin that I am aware of. I don't remember that.22:50
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jlvillalWe combined what was in openstack/ironic and openstack/ironic-inspector into the openstack/ironic-tempest-plugin repo22:50
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/python-ironicclient master: Updated from global requirements  https://review.openstack.org/54956423:05
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