| kfox1111 | its alright... hmm... | 00:00 |
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| jroll | I would love to tell you setting up swift is super easy | 00:01 |
| kfox1111 | so for vm's, you want glance to be setup to be backed by ceph directly... for ironic, you want it layered on top of a ceph gateway... | 00:01 |
| jroll | but I honestly have no idea | 00:01 |
| kfox1111 | it is fairly easy, if I go all the way back to step one where I setup an openstack all in one system using packstack before installing ironic and pointing everything at it. | 00:02 |
| jroll | :| | 00:02 |
| jroll | how would you feel about running ceph without auth? | 00:02 |
| kfox1111 | we're also much more fond of ceph these days then swift. | 00:02 |
| jroll | if you did that, could probably hack ironic to use that instead | 00:02 |
| jroll | (or maybe ceph has a similar signed url thing) | 00:03 |
| kfox1111 | I wonder if the ceph gateway supports temp url's. it strives to be a drop in replacement for swift. | 00:03 |
| jroll | orly | 00:04 |
| jroll | it might, then | 00:04 |
| jroll | http://tracker.ceph.com/issues/3454 | 00:04 |
| jroll | status: resolved | 00:04 |
| kfox1111 | problem is for this test system, I havent installed ceph either... | 00:04 |
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| jroll | still undocumented | 00:04 |
| jroll | oh | 00:04 |
| kfox1111 | hmm.. ok. so if we do this in production, I think the ceph gateway would work, with glance configured to point to it like swift, rather then using ceph directly. | 00:05 |
| jroll | yeah | 00:05 |
| jroll | huh, ceph is c++ | 00:06 |
| kfox1111 | I may have to manually install swift in this test box just to get somethign working to test... | 00:06 |
| JayF | That'd require a patch on the Ironic side to support it | 00:06 |
| jroll | I've never actually really looked at it | 00:06 |
| JayF | but it'd be an awesome freakin' patch :D | 00:06 |
| jroll | JayF: dunno, it sounds like this gateway thing is supposed to be api compatible with swift | 00:06 |
| kfox1111 | JayF: really? it shows up as a swift endpoint in keystone. the dashboard doesn't seem to care. | 00:06 |
| JayF | oh, really? That's sweeeeet | 00:06 |
| JayF | if kfox1111 uses it and it works; we should put that in our docs | 00:07 |
| kfox1111 | its the only network storage subsystem for openstack that I know of that can do all of glance, swift, nova ephemeral and cinder. | 00:07 |
| jroll | neat | 00:08 |
| kfox1111 | suposidly with juno, if you put your image in glance, and have nova ephemeral configured, it simply snapshots the glance image, and boots instantly. | 00:08 |
| kfox1111 | says it allows you to boot vm's in seconds. havent tried it yet. | 00:09 |
| jroll | cool, this should totally work: http://tracker.ceph.com/projects/ceph/repository/revisions/56e4015cf4f2917b13c9f017e09ec47581ee4867/entry/src/rgw/rgw_swift.cc#L525 | 00:09 |
| jroll | kfox1111: that's super interesting | 00:09 |
| jroll | brb | 00:09 |
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| kfox1111 | I wonder if I can get packstack to install only swift without touching anything else... | 00:10 |
| kfox1111 | Can someone update the agent readme to mention the swift/glance dependency? | 00:12 |
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| kfox1111 | hmmm... is it doing this so that it can get a temp url to a private image? | 00:13 |
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| NobodyCam | ah ha: https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1394956 | 00:15 |
| jroll | kfox1111: you know how to submit patches? | 00:16 |
| kfox1111 | y...e...s... | 00:17 |
| jroll | hehe | 00:17 |
| JayF | kfox1111: the readme that'd need to be updated is probably in ironic, not in ipa though ... it's Ironic's dep, IPA only cares about getting an http[s] url | 00:17 |
| kfox1111 | but shouldn't the ipa pull the image from glance instead? | 00:18 |
| jroll | it can't pull it from glance without an auth token | 00:19 |
| jroll | and in general, there's no secure way to give the agent an auth token | 00:19 |
| kfox1111 | sure. but they are fairly cheep to create. | 00:19 |
| jroll | without ilo or something | 00:19 |
| jroll | ironic only knows about admin tokens :( | 00:19 |
| JayF | kfox1111: I'm an evil person on your network. I spoof your mac and now have an Ironic admin token to do mean things with | 00:19 |
| jroll | the keys to the cloud | 00:19 |
| kfox1111 | an auth token should be just as secure as a tmp url? | 00:19 |
| JayF | not at all | 00:19 |
| JayF | tmp url has a ttl, and limits you to one resource | 00:20 |
| jroll | (auth tokens do have ttls) | 00:20 |
| JayF | most people don't have the level of private data / access / credentials in their image | 00:20 |
| JayF | that would be the keys to the cloud | 00:20 |
| kfox1111 | you can create a keystone user that only has access to the one glance image. | 00:20 |
| kfox1111 | heat does something similar. | 00:20 |
| jroll | on the fly? | 00:20 |
| jroll | hmm | 00:20 |
| kfox1111 | for every stack that needs to do things, it creates a user and a trust. | 00:20 |
| kfox1111 | yeah. | 00:20 |
| jroll | hmm | 00:20 |
| JayF | Ugh. IDK how I'd like creating a user for each deployment | 00:20 |
| jroll | JayF: it just occurred to me that tripleo probably stuffs admin creds in their images | 00:21 |
| kfox1111 | wouldn't nessisarily need to for deployment. just per image. | 00:21 |
| JayF | we deploy instances 1000+ times a day on average ... which is a lot of users to make | 00:21 |
| JayF | hmm. | 00:21 |
| JayF | jroll: *sticks fingers in ears and sings lalala* | 00:21 |
| jroll | honestly, not the worst idea | 00:21 |
| jroll | hehehe | 00:21 |
| JayF | It's certainly an interesting secondary approach | 00:21 |
| JayF | but you still have the agent auth to ironic (and ironic auth to the agent) creds problem | 00:21 |
| JayF | which if it's ever generally solved would likely encompass this piece of auth too | 00:22 |
| kfox1111 | heat has its own keystone domain. probably can have an ironic one so all your users are hidden off where admins wont trip over them. | 00:22 |
| JayF | Hmm. | 00:22 |
| * JayF works at Rackspace, which means he doesn't know keystone, he knows faux-keystone | 00:22 | |
| jroll | devananda: ^ interesting ideas here | 00:22 |
| jroll | soon, JayF, soon | 00:22 |
| kfox1111 | ah. | 00:23 |
| JayF | jroll: http://www.meemes.com/sites/default/files/styles/large/public/soon%20ostrich.jpg | 00:23 |
| jroll | /o\ | 00:24 |
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| NobodyCam | w00t: [2014-11-21 16:28:10] Total runtime: 794 s one little patch buggered me all day | 00:28 |
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| kfox1111 | hmm... a little more fleshed out.... you should be able to create a keystone domain for ironic, make a tenant/user per image, and use glance member-create to share the image. I don't think you need to use trusts in that case. | 00:30 |
| kfox1111 | and thats only for private images. if its public, you can just have an ironic/public account. | 00:31 |
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| kfox1111 | should I file a blueprint for that idea? | 00:34 |
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| jroll | sure! that would be great | 00:34 |
| kfox1111 | blueprints.launchpad.net/ironic? | 00:35 |
| jroll | yep | 00:35 |
| kfox1111 | k | 00:35 |
| jroll | we do specs these days that the blueprint links to | 00:35 |
| jroll | but at least this way maybe we won't forget about it | 00:35 |
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| kfox1111 | yeah. sounds good. | 00:36 |
| JayF | kfox1111: that's a good candidate for our new "backlog" specs, basically you make the blueprint and put upa review to ironic-specs with problem statement + proposed solution. When someone (you or someone else interested) gets around to implementing it, they'll fill in the rest of the spec | 00:42 |
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| kfox1111 | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ironic/+spec/agent-all-glance | 00:44 |
| jroll | nice | 00:45 |
| JayF | I think the channel might appreciate this -> http:///c34a6498d4802e89941e-16c214a4a8ca35317ce45a32e60db84b.ssl.cf1.rackcdn.com/47d4f2af-654f-4f50-a78b-c3beec555461.jpeg | 00:46 |
| kfox1111 | denied | 00:46 |
| JayF | I must fail at linking | 00:46 |
| jroll | https | 00:46 |
| JayF | 1s | 00:46 |
| JayF | orly? | 00:46 |
| jroll | yarly | 00:46 |
| JayF | better link ---> https://c34a6498d4802e89941e-16c214a4a8ca35317ce45a32e60db84b.ssl.cf1.rackcdn.com/47d4f2af-654f-4f50-a78b-c3beec555461.jpeg | 00:46 |
| JayF | kfox1111: ^ | 00:46 |
| jroll | there you go | 00:47 |
| kfox1111 | :) | 00:47 |
| kfox1111 | hmm... ok. lets see if I disable all service installs in packstack but swift, and see if it will add it for me... | 00:50 |
| * kfox1111 crosses his fingers | 00:50 | |
| * jroll is off for the weekend | 00:50 | |
| jroll | have a good one, all | 00:50 |
| kfox1111 | you too. thanks for all the help | 00:50 |
| NobodyCam | have a good weekend jroll | 00:50 |
| jroll | you too | 00:51 |
| jroll | no problem kfox1111 | 00:51 |
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| NobodyCam | JayF: +1000 (/me just clicked jpg link) | 00:58 |
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| NobodyCam | JayF: did you reply to the name thread on ML? | 00:59 |
| kfox1111 | hmm... managed to break the dashboard trying to install swift with packstack... arg. | 01:05 |
| kfox1111 | ah. there we go. | 01:06 |
| kfox1111 | ok. looks like I have a usable swift now... | 01:07 |
| kfox1111 | lets see how badly other things are broken. :/ | 01:07 |
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| NobodyCam | :( | 01:12 |
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| kfox1111 | hmm... looks like I can get packstack to deploy glance with swift backend... that might be easier... | 01:17 |
| kfox1111 | hmm.... | 01:20 |
| kfox1111 | glance-api[16623]: ERROR: Store for scheme swift not found | 01:20 |
| kfox1111 | ah. they no longer load the drivers... gota manually specify them. | 01:25 |
| kfox1111 | still getting the swift error. :/ | 01:33 |
| kfox1111 | but... the images do look to be in swift... | 01:33 |
| kfox1111 | ok. guess I'll have to call it a weekend. thanks all for the help. | 01:34 |
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| NobodyCam | hey kfox1111 what is the swift error? | 01:34 |
| * NobodyCam is here ar least until food gets here | 01:35 | |
| NobodyCam | which will be shortly | 01:35 |
| NobodyCam | :-p | 01:35 |
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| kfox1111 | how do I figure out what to use for: swift_temp_url_key= | 13:50 |
| kfox1111 | is it just random? | 13:51 |
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| kfox1111 | almost there... | 14:25 |
| kfox1111 | Error downloading image.', u'code': 500, u'type': u'ImageDownloadError', u'details': u'Could not download image with id 5cd045d6-aa7d-422d-b9b4-b84e5da12086.' | 14:25 |
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| NobodyCam | morning ironic | 15:24 |
| NobodyCam | kfox1111: just use a random string | 15:25 |
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