Monday, 2019-06-10

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openstackgerritTristan Cacqueray proposed zuul/zuul master: web: add version to info endpoint  https://review.opendev.org/60957102:36
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openstackgerritMerged zuul/nodepool master: Explicitly set use_direct_get to False  https://review.opendev.org/66336807:43
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openstackgerritTobias Henkel proposed zuul/zuul master: Reduce gear logging in tests  https://review.opendev.org/66421908:05
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tobberydbergo/08:27
tobberydbergricolin created a new wiki page for the public cloud sig some time ago and I'm trying to create a redirection from the old WG wiki page, and from what I understand I should do that by a "move" of the page, which I'm not allowed to since the page already exists. Would it be possible to delete that page so I then can do that "move", or is it possible to create a redirection manually and then delete that old page?08:29
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openstackgerritTobias Henkel proposed zuul/zuul master: Safely add Ansible password lookup plugin  https://review.opendev.org/66287009:04
openstackgerritSorin Sbarnea proposed zuul/zuul-jobs master: Adds tox-mol job  https://review.opendev.org/66423009:06
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zbr|ruckfungi: i need a hint regarding adding the tox-mol job directly to zuu-jobs09:15
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openstackgerritSorin Sbarnea proposed openstack/openstack-zuul-jobs master: Adds openstack-tox-mol job and template  https://review.opendev.org/66359909:30
openstackgerritTristan Cacqueray proposed zuul/zuul master: cli: prevent exception for the show command  https://review.opendev.org/66423509:40
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openstackgerritSorin Sbarnea proposed zuul/zuul-jobs master: Adds tox-mol job  https://review.opendev.org/66423009:54
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openstackgerritMaksim Malchuk proposed openstack/diskimage-builder master: Move pypi to dib-python  https://review.opendev.org/66424010:30
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openstackgerritMatthieu Huin proposed zuul/zuul master: [WIP] admin REST API: zuul-web integration  https://review.opendev.org/64353610:53
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fungitobberydberg: page moves give you the ability to choose to create a redirect or not. i think you should be able to temporarily move the new one to a different name without creating a redirect, move the old one to the new name creating a redirect, then delete the old page in the new location leaving a broken redirect behind, then move the renamed new page back to the name you want... i'll dig around13:54
fungiand see if there are easier alternatives13:54
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yoctozeptofungi: hi, do you know who I can write to about changing my wiki username? it garbled my real name from Ubuntu one instead of letting me set to the one I use everywhere possible13:56
fungitobberydberg: ahh, it's at least slightly easier than that. you're allowed to overwrite a page when you move another to the same name, so no need for the deletion step13:58
fungiyoctozepto: changing usernames requires a mediawiki plugin we don't have installed13:58
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yoctozeptofungi: damn :D13:59
fungiand i'm not sure whether it's compatible with/available for the current version we're running, would need to do more research13:59
yoctozeptofungi: I would be glad if you did14:00
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yoctozeptothanks14:00
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fungiyoctozepto: to be blunt, we need some sysadmins interested in maintaining the wiki service. nobody seems to want to deal with the headaches of managing it, but every time we say we're deleting it because it's unmaintained there's an uproar. the "compromise" so far is that it's rotting in place. i spend a minimal amount of time trying to keep the spam under control and working out how to upgrade the14:02
fungioperating system or patch critical security vulnerabilities for it, and even that is fairly unrewarding14:02
yoctozeptofungi: I feel your pain, IMHO wiki overlaps with many other services provided which do their things better14:04
yoctozeptowould see it gone14:04
yoctozeptoalong with my annoying username14:04
yoctozepto:D14:04
openstackgerritTobias Henkel proposed zuul/zuul master: Safely add Ansible password lookup plugin  https://review.opendev.org/66287014:05
fungitobberydberg: aha! i found an easier solution14:10
fungitobberydberg: according to https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Redirects you can just replace the content of the old page with #REDIRECT [[newpagename]]14:11
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fungithat ought to be much more straightforward14:11
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openstackgerritDavid Shrewsbury proposed zuul/zuul master: Auto-delete expired autohold requests  https://review.opendev.org/66376214:33
openstackgerritDavid Shrewsbury proposed zuul/zuul master: WIP: Mark nodes as USED when deleting autohold  https://review.opendev.org/66406014:33
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openstackgerritMerged opendev/system-config master: Suppress progress for git gc cron on Gitea servers  https://review.opendev.org/66415914:48
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tobberydbergThanks fungi, I’ll try that!15:11
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clarkblogrotate of the gitea backups is working so I think that can be considered done for now (and we can add offsite backups when ianw's change for managing that via ansible is done15:31
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clarkbmordred: Shrews http://paste.openstack.org/show/752687/ this is why the rax image uploads are fialing15:38
clarkbunfortunately not much of a thread to pull on there15:38
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clarkbreading the traceback it almost looks like maybe sdk stopped using the swift + glance dance15:40
openstackgerritMerged zuul/nodepool master: openstack: document the key-name parameter  https://review.opendev.org/66167715:44
clarkbactually no it is running the upload task but then it does an image update that fails15:44
clarkbin the past we have had failures due to trying to update properties that you are not allowed to updated15:45
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clarkblooking at the code we were previously calling update_image_properties but now we call update_image which calls _update15:50
clarkbbeginning to suspect a behavior chnange there is causing this15:50
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clarkbgtema doesn't appear to be here or in #zuul unfortunately15:51
* clarkb files a bug15:51
corvusdoes anyone know why inventory.yaml is not log-archived in promote jobs?15:52
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clarkbcorvus: because they are empty nodesets15:52
corvuswhy should that matter?15:53
clarkbI think if we refactored the info collection we could collect it, but currently those tasks only run when there are non executor nodes15:53
clarkbI think it simplified printing of provider info?15:53
Shrewsclarkb: yes, the image update code was refactored quite a bit in the latest release. we'd need to speak with gtema about it15:53
corvusshould we pin an older version in nodepool?15:54
clarkbcorvus: I was thinking I would restart to version 0.27.0 to confirm that fixes and if it does I think we should exclude at least 0.28 - 0.3015:55
clarkbwriting bug first15:55
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clarkbhttps://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/200585115:56
openstackgerritMerged zuul/zuul master: Use nodejs v10 in testing  https://review.opendev.org/66233915:57
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clarkbShrews: ^ any concerns with installing 0.27.0 and restarting the builders on that version?15:57
Shrewsclarkb: lemme make sure nodepool isn't using something from the latest (don't think it is, but just wanna be sure)15:58
Shrewsclarkb: go for it15:59
clarkbk16:01
clarkbShrews: fwiw bug updated with one aspect that may be at fault. New code path doesn't set a content type header the old path was setting16:01
clarkbnow to restart with 0.27.0 to confirm that fixes it16:02
openstackgerritJames E. Blair proposed opendev/base-jobs master: base-test: Move log-inventory to localhost  https://review.opendev.org/66438716:03
openstackgerritJames E. Blair proposed opendev/base-jobs master: base: Move log-inventory to localhost  https://review.opendev.org/66438816:03
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clarkb#status log Downgraded openstacksdk to 0.27.0 on nb01 to test if the revert fixes rackspace image uploads16:06
openstackstatusclarkb: finished logging16:07
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openstackgerritJames E. Blair proposed zuul/zuul-jobs master: Remove extra task from download-artifacts  https://review.opendev.org/66439116:10
openstackgerritMerged zuul/zuul master: Update axios version and yarn.lock  https://review.opendev.org/66231616:10
openstackgerritJames E. Blair proposed zuul/zuul-jobs master: Remove extra task from download-artifacts  https://review.opendev.org/66439116:11
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corvusclarkb, mordred: would you mind reviewing https://review.opendev.org/664391 ?  it's not directly testable, so there's a lot of waiting after it's approved before i can recheck a gate change for zuul to test it.16:13
corvusthe good news is that my idea of running the promote jobs in gate to test worked :)  ( https://review.opendev.org/664006 is the testing change in question)16:14
corvusthat way we won't switch to the new system until it fully works16:14
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mordredcorvus: +2d - ok to go ahead and +3 right?16:22
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openstackgerritSorin Sbarnea proposed zuul/zuul-jobs master: Adds tox-mol job  https://review.opendev.org/66423016:25
corvusmordred: yeah, is test-only16:26
corvusmordred: er, sorry16:26
corvusmordred: yes, it's okay to approve because it's already broken :)16:27
corvus(i pulled out the wrong justification)16:27
mordred:)16:27
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openstackgerritTobias Henkel proposed zuul/zuul master: Parallelize github event processing  https://review.opendev.org/66281816:48
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openstackgerritMerged zuul/zuul-jobs master: Remove extra task from download-artifacts  https://review.opendev.org/66439116:54
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openstackgerritMerged zuul/zuul master: Annotate builds with event id  https://review.opendev.org/65889517:00
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corvusit looks like live log streaming is broken in zuul due to a recent js patch.  i think using finger should still work while we work on fixing it.17:08
openstackgerritJames E. Blair proposed zuul/zuul master: Revert "Update axios version and yarn.lock"  https://review.opendev.org/66439917:09
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fungithanks for the heads up, corvus!17:19
openstackgerritTobias Henkel proposed zuul/zuul master: Cap xterm.js to < 3.14  https://review.opendev.org/66440417:22
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openstackgerritMaksim Malchuk proposed openstack/diskimage-builder master: Move pypi to dib-python  https://review.opendev.org/66424017:44
openstackgerritTobias Henkel proposed zuul/zuul master: Update cached repo during job startup only if needed  https://review.opendev.org/64822917:46
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noonedeadpunkhi everyone!17:56
noonedeadpunkit seems, that zuul console is broken for some reason: http://zuul.openstack.org/stream/e8811c93610f47fdb24c7a1030cb1d5c?logfile=console.log17:56
noonedeadpunkJust "Something went wrong" on the screen17:56
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pabelangermnaser: fyi, I see some non-voting opensuse jobs in the gate pipeline for OSA. We should remove them18:04
mnaserpabelanger: agreed.  do you have those handy?  i think thats because the toggling has been happening in the job layer and not project level18:05
pabelangereg: /openstack-ansible-os_ceilometer18:05
pabelanger66430718:05
noonedeadpunk664307 is designed to fix this18:06
noonedeadpunksorry, wrong number18:06
noonedeadpunkhttps://review.opendev.org/#/c/648854/ ofc18:06
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funginoonedeadpunk: pabelanger: mnaser: the finger socket still works in the interim. two alternative solutions are under review and should hopefully be merged shortly18:10
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clarkbthere are ready images in rax from nb01 now18:10
fungioh, i guess that's not what pabelanger and mnaser were talking about, sorry18:10
clarkbI'm going to intsall sdk==0.27.0 on nb02 and restart nb02's builder now18:10
clarkbthen I'll push up a nodepool change to exclude broken sdk versions18:11
openstackgerritDavid Shrewsbury proposed zuul/zuul master: Mark nodes as USED when deleting autohold  https://review.opendev.org/66406018:14
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openstackgerritClark Boylan proposed zuul/nodepool master: Exclude SDK with broken image upload tasks  https://review.opendev.org/66441518:17
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funginoonedeadpunk: just to update you (and anyone else lurking) about the console log streaming problem, https://review.opendev.org/664404 is expected to solve it18:27
noonedeadpunkfungi: thanks for the update:)18:27
fungia regression we initially missed when reviewing a bulk update of js deps18:28
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/pbr master: Stop using pbr sphinx integration  https://review.opendev.org/65556519:03
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clarkbit should merge in just a few minutes then we'll need puppet to update the install on the server19:06
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openstackgerritMerged zuul/zuul master: Cap xterm.js to < 3.14  https://review.opendev.org/66440419:18
openstackgerritBen Nemec proposed openstack/pbr master: DNM: Test against zuul-cloner removal patch  https://review.opendev.org/66442519:20
openstackgerritJeremy Stanley proposed zuul/zuul master: Safely add Ansible password lookup plugin  https://review.opendev.org/66287019:37
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openstackgerritMerged zuul/nodepool master: Exclude SDK with broken image upload tasks  https://review.opendev.org/66441519:43
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openstackgerritMerged zuul/zuul master: Log github requests with annotated events  https://review.opendev.org/66080019:59
openstackgerritClark Boylan proposed opendev/system-config master: Update certcheck domains  https://review.opendev.org/66443320:04
clarkbinfra-root ^ I'm prepping for cert renewals this week and started with wondering why certcheck was slow, its waiting for groups.o.o SYN to time out20:04
openstackgerritMerged zuul/zuul master: Annotate logs around build completion and cancellation  https://review.opendev.org/66080620:07
fungihah20:07
fungigood catch20:07
clarkbhttp://paste.openstack.org/show/752704/ is the list of domains that I've found need updates20:10
funginoonedeadpunk: console log streams seem to be back and working now20:11
fungiclarkb: did you perform a manual run with a longer reach to spot any which would be convenient to renew while you're on the large batch?20:12
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fungii used to look at least a few months out for maximum convenience20:12
clarkbThe next closeset is zuul-ci.org at 224 days20:13
fungigreat. i'd say that list fits the bill then20:13
clarkbThe stdout of the command prints all certs and shows you days to expiry20:13
fungizuul-ci.org should just get converted to le anyway20:13
clarkbThe docs.o.o cert is for like 7 domains too right?20:15
fungigood question, i'm not sure. docs.o.o is served from files.o.o now20:16
corvusi agree with fungi's comment but figure we can add graphite (and tarballs.opendev.org) later20:16
fungithe big kahuna san cert is/was static.o.o20:16
corvus(so i approved the certcheck change)20:16
fungisgtm20:16
fungiit's also possible we want a different warning duration for le certs than purchased ones, so may want to consider sticking them in a separate list or even figuring them out from existing data20:17
corvusfungi: i'm tempted to think about whether we can have ansible cobble together all of our LE domain names, but wonder if that would open up too big of a hole, and if instead the double-accounting would be more useful.20:17
corvus(ie, get ansible to make the certcheck domain list for us)20:17
fungiheh. yeah, sort of what i was thinking... it does make certcheck less of a belt-n-braces check though20:18
fungiif we accidentally remove the le magic from a server we'd also accidentally stop checking it at the same moment20:18
fungione of those few places where double-entry accounting could be a feature rather than a bug20:19
corvusyeah.  i think i've talked myself into maintaining a second list manually.  we're more likely to break the whole system i think.  a manual list with the occasional missing entry would be more useful than an automated list in that case.20:19
fungii concur20:20
clarkbya I think the biggest concern would be ansible not updating because cron got stuck or ansible crashes (we've seen both in the past)20:21
fungialso possible we can have automation which checks that those two lists are in sync (zuul job or something) so we don't forget to add one20:21
corvusyeah, that's ideal20:21
fungithough i guess there's somewhat of a bootstrapping race with that20:22
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fungiexisting certcheck relies on a running service using the cert, while our le automation is engineered to be able to add a cert before there's a server to use it20:22
fungiso we might start warning about certcheck failing to reach a server... then again i think it just silently ignores servers which are unreachable so maybe not20:23
fungiit's probably fine20:23
corvusyeah, it may not be a big deal20:23
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openstackgerritJeremy Stanley proposed zuul/zuul master: Safely add Ansible password lookup plugin  https://review.opendev.org/66287020:35
openstackgerritJames E. Blair proposed zuul/zuul-jobs master: Correct artifact return url for python/js  https://review.opendev.org/66443720:42
corvusfungi, clarkb, mordred: ^ next whoopsie from the opendev tarball jobs20:42
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clarkball images in rax are up to date now after the sdk downgrades20:44
clarkbI think that means we are clear to use our new control plane image(s)20:44
clarkbI need to eat lunch, then I'm going to clear out any leaked images in rax then maybe start lookingat booting a new gitea0620:45
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goldyfruitHi guys20:48
goldyfruitI'm adding the Qinling API documentation: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/663730/20:48
goldyfruitI followed this guide: https://docs.openstack.org/doc-contrib-guide/api-guides.html#how-to-document-your-openstack-api-service20:48
tobberydbergfungi FYI ... the redirect worked just fine! Thanks and nice to learn something new today as well :-)20:48
goldyfruitI created as explain in the guide a review about the api-ref: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/664030/20:49
goldyfruitDo I need to do something else ?20:49
goldyfruitWhat is the workflow ?20:49
goldyfruitDo I need first to wait the land and the review about the Qinling API and then the review in project-config will be merged ?20:49
clarkbgoldyfruit: the change was pushed on Friday. Ajaeger is on vacation and tends to do the bulk of those reviews, but I try to get around to them at least once a week too. I've +2'd that change20:51
clarkbI don't think the order matters a ton other than you'll need passing api jobs once the project-config change merges20:51
goldyfruitclarkb, no worry I'm not asking about a review :p Just asking about the workflow20:51
goldyfruitI'll wait then :)20:51
goldyfruitJust want to avoid a miss20:51
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goldyfruitThanks !!! clarkb20:52
clarkbthose jobs should check/build and publish your api docs20:52
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clarkbyou can have the content in your repo before they merge20:52
clarkbit just won't be checked or published. Once the jobs are added then you need the content for the jobs to work20:53
openstackgerritMerged opendev/system-config master: Update certcheck domains  https://review.opendev.org/66443320:53
goldyfruitclarkb, thank you20:54
fungitobberydberg: great! i'm glad i could be of some use20:55
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/pbr master: Allow git-tags to be SemVer compliant  https://review.opendev.org/61856920:55
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openstackgerritMerged zuul/zuul-jobs master: Correct artifact return url for python/js  https://review.opendev.org/66443721:07
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openstackgerritJeremy Stanley proposed opendev/storyboard master: Change the dist name to 'storyboard-api'  https://review.opendev.org/66166321:35
openstackgerritJeremy Stanley proposed openstack/project-config master: Publish StoryBoard releases to PyPI  https://review.opendev.org/66444721:36
sean-k-mooneyso quick question regarding gerrit. does gerrit do any thing to prevent peopel forging authors on a commit21:39
toskysean-k-mooney: I'm not an infra person, but I have submitted other people's patches (so with their Author name; of course I was the submitter)21:40
tosky(usually cherry-picks)21:40
sean-k-mooneyya i have done that for backports too21:40
clarkbit distinguishes commiter and author21:41
sean-k-mooneyi was just surpised thishad artom as the autor and not me bu i kind of get why21:41
sean-k-mooneyhttps://review.opendev.org/#/c/664442/121:41
sean-k-mooneyi created it by cherry picking one of his abandoned commit and cherrypicking one of mine the squash merging21:42
sean-k-mooneyi had expected the squash merge to set me as the autor but it kept artom and gerrit auto added him21:42
sean-k-mooneyanyway i was just not expectting that behavior form either git or gerrit21:43
clarkbiirc it depends on how big the changes are from the original21:43
sean-k-mooneythe only thing that is different is the commit message21:44
sean-k-mooneywhich is proably why it was ok with it21:44
clarkbthen ya you are comitter not author21:44
sean-k-mooneywell i was the author for the second commit i squah merged in but ya21:44
sean-k-mooneyanyway just found it interesting21:45
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sean-k-mooneythis will be abandoned later anyway since its just fro repoducing stuff in the gate21:45
fungiyes, gerrit *does* have "forge author identity" and "forge committer identity" permissions we can allow or disallow. we allow the former by default, but only allow the latter for service administrators (needed to be able to push/import a repository state from elsewhere)21:46
sean-k-mooneyfungi: right that makes sense21:47
fungi"forge author identity" preserves authorship for cases like `git am` of an attachment from an embargoed security bug21:47
sean-k-mooneyyou want to allow the former for backports21:47
sean-k-mooneyah and for that i guess ya21:47
fungisince we disallow "forge committer identity" gerrit prevents you from pushing any commit where the committer e-mail address doesn't correspond to one registered for the credentials with which you're authenticating21:48
sean-k-mooneyyep that has prevented me pushing stuff on behalf of example@email.com or whatever the default is before :)21:49
fungithis is how we've had it set pretty much since we started running gerrit, so it seems to ge a generally sane compromise21:50
sean-k-mooneyits cool that gerrit auto adds the author to a review some else push too21:50
sean-k-mooneyfungi: ya it is21:51
fungiwell, it *sometimes* does that. depends on whether or not that author address corresponds to an account21:51
sean-k-mooneyright but to be fair it can hardel add people that dont have accounts21:52
sean-k-mooneyor where it does not match21:52
fungiyep21:52
sean-k-mooneyanyway cool i new i had had commits bound before because one of the field was wrong but it guess it must have been the commiter. good to know :)21:53
sean-k-mooney*bounce21:53
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openstackgerritJeremy Stanley proposed zuul/zuul master: Safely add Ansible password lookup plugin  https://review.opendev.org/66287022:09
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clarkbfinally got leaked iad glance image cleanup running22:17
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mwhahahacan we get https://review.opendev.org/#/c/659394/ bumped to the top of the triple gate queue?22:36
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clarkbmwhahaha: generally we reserve that for gate fixes (or security bug fixes). That change appears to clean out deprecated options? is that the right change?22:37
fungisee the last review comment on it22:37
mwhahahayes because the depends-on broke all of the tripleo jobs22:37
fungiseems they accidentally merged something out of order22:37
clarkbgotcha22:37
fungiyou promoting it or shall i?22:37
clarkbfungi: go for it22:38
mwhahahathanks22:38
fungilooks like i'll need to enqueue it to the gate pipeline first22:38
fungijust a sec22:38
openstackgerritKevin Carter (cloudnull) proposed zuul/zuul-jobs master: Add multi-distro support to install-docker  https://review.opendev.org/66445522:39
fungimwhahaha: done22:39
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/pbr master: Read description file as utf-8  https://review.opendev.org/56487422:55
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clarkbord is clearing out now23:09
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openstackgerritKevin Carter (cloudnull) proposed zuul/zuul-jobs master: Add upstream docker installation  https://review.opendev.org/66446323:18
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openstackgerritKevin Carter (cloudnull) proposed zuul/zuul-jobs master: Add multi-distro support to install-docker  https://review.opendev.org/66445523:23
clarkbcloudnull: one more thing on ^23:27
* cloudnull looking23:27
ianw [%{cu}t] [%-m:%l] [pid %P:tid %T] %7F: %E: [client\ %a] %M% , \ referer\ %{Referer}i <- does anyone see what ansible/jinja would be unhappy about with that?23:31
clarkbianw: could it be yaml? [ is a special value so you'll need to quote the string23:32
ianwno, it's in the apache config .j2 file that's throwing http://logs.openstack.org/06/663806/2/check/system-config-run-mirror/e350611/job-output.txt.gz#_2019-06-08_07_09_35_52325523:33
ianwoh hang on, i thin it see i23:33
ianw[%{%F %T}t23:34
ianwI guess {% is jinja23:34
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fungiindeed, like need to double the %% or something23:35
ianwi think {% raw %} it23:35
clarkbI just realized with the recent zuul scheduler restart we should have usage metrics23:35
openstackgerritIan Wienand proposed opendev/system-config master: Switch mirror Apache logs to ISO8601  https://review.opendev.org/66380623:36
openstackgerritIan Wienand proposed opendev/system-config master: Add RAX IAD/ORD opendev.org mirrors  https://review.opendev.org/66385223:36
ianwthis time for sure :)23:36
openstackgerritKevin Carter (cloudnull) proposed zuul/zuul-jobs master: Add multi-distro support to install-docker  https://review.opendev.org/66445523:36
cloudnullone more time :)23:37
cloudnullsorry for all the spam23:37
clarkbyup the zuul usage data is in graphite now23:38
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cloudnullclarkb ianw does the builder run the role or is it just inspecting it: http://logs.openstack.org/55/664455/2/check/zuul-jobs-test-registry/2f3ae31/job-output.txt.gz#_2019-06-10_23_33_16_062844 ?23:42
cloudnullthose options are defined in vars/{distro} however its failing on loading it23:43
clarkbcloudnull: it should run it23:43
clarkbcloudnull: the issue is with your lookups23:44
clarkbcloudnull: the files are .yaml and not .yml23:44
clarkb(I think we prefer .yaml around here so probably want to update the lookup and not the filenames)23:44
* cloudnull shakes fist at yaml23:44
fungithis is not dos, you can have longer than 3-character file extensions ;)23:45
* cloudnull loves dos23:45
fungii do still boot freedos under dosbox from time to time23:46
openstackgerritKevin Carter (cloudnull) proposed zuul/zuul-jobs master: Add multi-distro support to install-docker  https://review.opendev.org/66445523:46
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cloudnullI just got done playing heros (quest for glory) quest on my dos box setup,23:47
cloudnullmuch fun was had by all23:47
cloudnull:)23:47
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ianwdid you get baba yagga?23:50
cloudnulloh no doubt!23:51
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clarkbstar control 2 was one of the few games I played on the old dos install that I often want to play again. Thankfully there is the open source version you can install on linux now :)23:52
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cloudnullThat's a great game!23:53
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ianw662662 to upgrade to bridge.o.o to ansible 2.8  has 2 x 2+ ... any objection to me merging and monitoring?23:54
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cloudnullPaul Reiche's son and I grew up together. we played a lot of star control I/II - Paul currently trying to get the rights sorted so they can make another star control game - https://www.gofundme.com/help-fred-amp-paul-save-the-universe23:56
cloudnull^ fighting the good fight !23:56
* cloudnull ends random off topic nonsense23:58
fungistarcon was fun23:58
clarkbnow clearing out dfw leaked images23:59

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