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openstackgerritMerged openstack/diskimage-builder master: Add netbase to ensure /etc/protocols is placed for debian  https://review.openstack.org/49065600:37
clarkbfungi: pabelanger thinking about debian, if package-deb is retired will we stop running debian test nodes?00:38
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fungiclarkb: maybe? granted, we don't host gentoo or opensuse packaging in our ci system but still test tings on those platforms00:39
clarkbya, but I don't think we ever ran any other jobs on debian right?00:40
fungibindep... maybe dib?00:40
clarkbah so there are a few00:40
clarkbya I think dib does00:40
openstackgerritfumihiko kakuma proposed openstack-infra/project-config master: Fix grafana configuration to neutron-dynamic-routing periodic job  https://review.openstack.org/49370900:41
openstackgerritMerged openstack-infra/irc-meetings master: Adding new meeting for LCOO WG  https://review.openstack.org/49222000:41
fungii wouldn't mind testing more stuff on debian, but worry that if i lobby to keep it around as a viable ci target i could be doing so out of personal preference00:41
clarkbmost mirrors are done at this point00:42
clarkblon1 is slow as is iad00:42
clarkbovh is off so just getting it done00:43
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clarkbinfracloud went quick00:43
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openstackgerritMatthew Treinish proposed openstack/os-testr master: Switch to stestr under the covers  https://review.openstack.org/48844100:54
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clarkbrax iad and ord are the only two regions left and they are going slowly01:02
fungi100% of a cpu on iowait?01:04
clarkbya pretty high according to top (don't think it breaks it down by cpu though)01:07
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clarkbord has overtaken iad though and it started about an hour and a half later01:12
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fungihit the '1' key in top01:14
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clarkbits like 80/20 cpu0/cpu1 for wa01:14
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clarkbgood news is in citycloud la1 the htcacheclean finished already for the 0100UTC run01:15
clarkbso I think maybe this does help01:15
fungiright on!01:15
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openstackgerritIan Wienand proposed openstack/diskimage-builder master: [WIP] LVM support for dib-block-device  https://review.openstack.org/47206501:28
ianwyolanda: ^ some graphs.  http://imgur.com/a/h1srW (multi) http://imgur.com/a/cKjQR (spanned) .  i think i want to just convince myself on multi-vg's with a unit test01:28
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pabelangerclarkb: fungi: Ya, maybe? I haven't see what jobs are using it01:39
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openstackgerritwes hayutin proposed openstack-infra/project-config master: WIP: add oooq based undercloud-containers  https://review.openstack.org/49371501:47
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pabelangerianw: 493681 if you are interested, adds bundle reverse proxy cache setting01:51
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ianwpabelanger: those __ supposed to be there?01:55
pabelangerianw: ya, they rewrite . to _01:56
pabelangerand use _ for space01:56
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ianwoh, of course!01:59
ianwand a is b, then b is c, but d was taken, so c is e :)02:00
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openstackgerritMerged openstack-infra/project-config master: tripleo: make undercloud-container non-voting  https://review.openstack.org/49366902:06
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openstackgerritMerged openstack-infra/project-config master: Update NODEPOOL_RUGYGEMS_PROXY / add bundle client support  https://review.openstack.org/49368102:08
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openstackgerritwes hayutin proposed openstack-infra/tripleo-ci master: Set the AFS mirrors in the upstream env config for oooq  https://review.openstack.org/49372602:14
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clarkbord cache cleanout is done, iad is last one running02:20
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clarkbit took less than 5 minutes for htcacheclean to run on sto2 mirror03:04
clarkbhopefully this holds up as the mirrors refill their caches03:04
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openstackgerritCao Xuan Hoang proposed openstack-infra/project-config master: Add neutron-vpnaas docs pub job to zuul layout  https://review.openstack.org/44683504:15
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openstackgerritIan Wienand proposed openstack/diskimage-builder master: [WIP] LVM support for dib-block-device  https://review.openstack.org/47206505:48
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openstackgerritClint 'SpamapS' Byrum proposed openstack-infra/zuul feature/zuulv3: Re-enable test_delayed_repo_init  https://review.openstack.org/49365906:38
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openstackgerritIan Y. Choi proposed openstack-infra/project-config master: Disable Newton translations  https://review.openstack.org/49375706:44
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openstackgerritIfat Afek proposed openstack-infra/project-config master: Add Vitrage python 35 jobs as non-voting  https://review.openstack.org/49375806:46
openstackgerritJean-Philippe Evrard proposed openstack-infra/project-config master: OpenStack-Ansible .txt files should not be skipped  https://review.openstack.org/49375906:49
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openstackgerritIfat Afek proposed openstack-infra/project-config master: Add Vitrage python 35 jobs as non-voting  https://review.openstack.org/49375807:31
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openstackgerritIfat Afek proposed openstack-infra/project-config master: Add Vitrage python 35 jobs as non-voting  https://review.openstack.org/49375807:54
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openstackgerritIan Wienand proposed openstack/diskimage-builder master: Add node list to get_edges()  https://review.openstack.org/49378108:13
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openstackgerritThierry Carrez proposed openstack-infra/devstack-gate master: Update grenade settings for stable/pike  https://review.openstack.org/49305708:20
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openstackgerritIfat Afek proposed openstack-infra/project-config master: Add Vitrage python 35 jobs as non-voting  https://review.openstack.org/49375808:23
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openstackgerritNuman Siddique proposed openstack-infra/project-config master: Add TripleO scenario007-container for OVN  https://review.openstack.org/49062208:32
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odyssey4meSeeing an awful lot of yum mirror failures like http://logs.openstack.org/23/493623/2/check/gate-openstack-ansible-lxc_container_create-ansible-func-centos-7/8dd09ae/console.html#_2017-08-15_07_46_45_819203 this morning - any idea what's going on?08:49
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fungiodyssey4me: usually when this happens (which is disappointingly often) it's because the indices on official fedora mirrors are broken and so we're mirroring their already broken state. they tend to correct it but it can often take hours10:51
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fungiinfra-root: reminder... i'm not going to be around much today (stuck in a car most of the day since i have to go to the mainland for an appointment), but hope to be online some again around/after 21:00 utc10:54
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odyssey4mefungi hmm, it would be rather nice if we could automate some sort of test around that and revert to a previous state or something... unfortunately that's not something I am able to commit to doing so we'll just have to live with it :/11:03
fungiodyssey4me: that was one of the goals with using afs-backed mirrors is that we should be able to check the updated index state against the packages in the filesystem and refrain from releasing that changed state until everything matches again11:04
fungijust need someone with the time to write that archive consistency checker11:05
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openstackgerritMerged openstack-infra/project-config master: Set template-hostname for vexxhost  https://review.openstack.org/49363311:08
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mpranjichi12:15
mpranjicanyone that can help investigate one account that fails to login to wiki.openstack.org?12:15
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mhaydenpabelanger: looks like devstack might be installing the rdo repo in stack.sh https://review.openstack.org/49300312:30
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openstackgerritSagi Shnaidman proposed openstack-infra/tripleo-ci master: DONT REVIEW: test pike job  https://review.openstack.org/49385712:34
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asettlefungi: you around? :)13:14
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strigazicores can we take https://review.openstack.org/#/c/493556/ in?13:25
strigazifungi: ^^13:28
strigazipabelanger ^^13:28
AJaegerasettle, strigazi, he's out most of the day - see his message from 10:54 UTC13:28
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asettlethanky thanky :)13:29
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strigaziAJaeger thanks13:29
openstackgerritDavid Shrewsbury proposed openstack-infra/zuul feature/zuulv3: Add some examples to user guide Concepts section  https://review.openstack.org/49387313:30
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seanhandley_AJaeger: Can you add me to the publiccloud-wg-core/publiccloud-wg-release groups on gerrit please?13:39
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seanhandleyor anyone else on the infra team who's free ?13:39
AJaegerseanhandley: I don't have those permissions, hope others have time...13:40
seanhandleyAJaeger: Ok. Anybody in particular I should try to talk to about it?13:41
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mhaydenfungi: remember the odd issue the other day where some nodes had older versions of project-config? it appears to be back starting yesterday afternoon13:45
AJaegerseanhandley: I hope an infra-root shows up in the next two hours and can help you. Otherwise, send an email to openstack-infra mailing list and reference the change that addeded the groups.13:45
AJaegermhayden: do you have log files?13:45
mhaydenAJaeger: yessir -- please hold13:45
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mhaydenAJaeger: http://logs.openstack.org/76/493876/1/check/gate-ansible-hardening-ansible-func-centos-7/b042d1e/console.html13:46
ShrewsAJaeger: seanhandley: what the change #?13:46
mhaydenor well hold on13:46
mhaydenthat one isn't it13:46
mhaydenAJaeger: i'll try to find one of the other reviews13:46
AJaegermhayden: plesae do - and explain exactly why you think it's an old copy.13:47
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AJaegerShrews: https://review.openstack.org/489548 AFAIK13:48
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seanhandleyThanks AJaeger / Shrews13:49
seanhandleythat's the one13:49
Shrewsseanhandley: AJaeger: done13:49
seanhandleyAwesome - thanks again :-)13:50
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openstackgerritEd Leafe proposed openstack-infra/irc-meetings master: Change name of API-WG to API-SIG  https://review.openstack.org/49389614:24
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openstackgerritJeremy Stanley proposed openstack-infra/project-config master: Temporarily stop using citycloud-la1  https://review.openstack.org/49389914:38
fungiinfra-root: daniel at citynet asked us to stop using la1 for now ^14:39
fungiproject-config-core: ^14:39
pabelanger+214:39
smcginnisGlad we're past the milestone crunch.14:40
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mnaserfungi we can probably bump it a bit more on our side if queue struggles14:43
mnaserso feel free to ping if that's the case14:43
fungimnaser: thanks! hoping we get ovh back up next week once our contacts there get back from vacation and reauthorize our accounts14:43
mnasercool!14:44
fungii'm not around today (just happened to catch a moment to sit somewhere and hook up the wireless modem so i could check in) but other infra-root folk likely have an eye or several on things14:44
pabelangerfungi: clarkb: still seeing a large amount of networking issues in sto2: http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/#170870414:45
pabelangerI am going to look at mirror shortly and confirm settings14:45
pabelangerpossible we need to bump it up to 4C/8GB also14:45
fungipabelanger: thanks for checking it14:45
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clarkbinfra-root have you seen console logs cut off like this before ? http://logs.openstack.org/64/492964/8/check/gate-nova-tox-functional-py35-ubuntu-xenial/e6188ff/console.html my initial guess is maybe we ran out of disk where we were writing it?14:48
pabelangerclarkb: job timeout: http://logs.openstack.org/64/492964/8/check/gate-nova-tox-functional-py35-ubuntu-xenial/e6188ff/console.html#_2017-08-15_13_54_46_92375914:50
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clarkbpabelanger: oh interesting and we kept writing output to the log while things got cleaned up. Thanks14:51
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clarkbpabelanger: mnaser looks like that ran in vexxhost, is that a failure you'll want to look at more closely?14:53
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mnaserclarkb that flavor has 200GB .. i doubt it would run out of space14:56
mnaseror could it?14:56
clarkbmnaser: maybe /tmp is a tmpfs?14:56
clarkb(though I don't think it is on our images)14:56
clarkbI have a call in a couple minutes but can help dig in after14:56
mnaserclarkb http://logs.openstack.org/64/492964/8/check/gate-nova-tox-functional-py35-ubuntu-xenial/e6188ff/ i wonder what that tmpt27cv_h6 file is14:56
* mnaser is in midst of puppet 3 or 4 upgrade14:56
clarkbmnaser: I think that is the subunit file when the tox run doesn't finish14:57
mnasers/or/to/14:57
mnaserill eye on it in a bit14:57
clarkbmnaser: the way subunit works is it writes a tmp file and then when complete mv's it so we gather either the finished complete file or the tmp file if it exists in an effort to collect as much data as possible14:57
dansmithmnaser: it was a timeout, remember not actually a disk full right?14:57
mnaserdansmith yeah, noisy neighbour is always a possiblity but we want to minimize that14:58
mnaseri've been trying to keep an eye on logstash for failures14:58
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mnaserill have a more in depth look once done with this upgrade15:00
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clarkbI've approved la1 removal (also see their email)15:03
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openstackgerritMerged openstack-infra/project-config master: Temporarily stop using citycloud-la1  https://review.openstack.org/49389915:19
openstackgerritPaul Belanger proposed openstack-infra/project-config master: Create mock secret for validation  https://review.openstack.org/49391815:20
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pabelangerclarkb: fungi: mordred: jeblair: I am unsure if we still want to do this or not^, but adds a mock secret to base-test playbooks15:22
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fungithanks clarkb!15:22
fungii need to disappear again, but hopefully back around in another 5-ish hours15:22
jeblairpabelanger: why base-test?15:22
pabelangerjeblair: wasn't sure if we wanted it in base15:23
jeblairpabelanger: why base?15:23
jeblairpabelanger: like, i don't understand the strategy here15:23
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jeblairpabelanger: weren't you going to make a test version of the tarball job uploading to zuulv3-dev?15:25
pabelangerSame, I am not sure if we want to move forward with production SSH key or create dummy sercret and make sure the data isn't leaked in logs15:25
jeblairokay, let's try to figure out what we're doing15:26
AJaegerjeblair: please have a look at change 491109 with gerry and review the diff  - I see the initial diff but then scroll down for ages. The comment at line 13xxx is a challenge15:26
jeblairafaik there are two things we could do to improve our stance15:26
jeblair1) add unit tests for leaking secrets15:26
jeblair2) make a job as close to the tarball upload job as possible, but without the actual ssh key15:26
jeblairlet's do both of those things15:27
jeblairi believe the suggestion to create a "tarball" job that uploaded to zuulv3-dev would satisfy #215:27
pabelangerokay15:28
jeblairpabelanger: now, having said all that -- is there anything you wanted to accomplish in 493918 that won't be accomplished by those things?15:28
pabelangerjeblair: no, what you have listed should be fine for me. But we should confirm with others15:29
jeblairclarkb, fungi, mordred: ^ please confirm15:29
clarkbya I think that plan is good15:29
jeblairnow who is going to work on #1?15:29
jeblairi guess i will15:30
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jeblairinfra-root: would someone please take over the inap rename process? starts with change 493226.  i no longer have time.15:31
pabelangerI can help with #115:31
jeblairpabelanger: i will welcome your help after you finish #215:31
jeblairlet me start on it so we can parallelize some stuff15:32
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pabelangerokay15:32
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pabelangerjeblair: should I update 492671 to use zuulv3.o.o? or a new patch15:32
jeblairpabelanger: doesn't matter15:32
pabelangerok15:33
AJaegerinfra-root, do you know why change 492715 does not merge? Dependency is merged, it's approved - but Zuul v3 seems to ignore it. This is a job for openstack-zuul-jobs15:33
jeblairAJaeger: whas it approved after its dependency merged?15:34
AJaegerjeblair: dependency merged 4 days ok, was approved last night - and I reapproved as well - no reaction15:34
AJaegerWait, it's marked as merged now.15:35
AJaegerWhy does it show up in my list - let me check something ...15:35
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AJaegerARgh, I was confused. The dependency is merged, 492715 is not15:35
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AJaegerso, ignore my three lines above, please15:36
jeblairright.  problem exists as originally stated.  :)15:37
rybridgesGood morning guys! :)15:37
rybridgesDo you think there is any chance we could please merge this today? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/492693/15:38
openstackgerritDavid Shrewsbury proposed openstack-infra/project-config master: Disable py2 dsvm on nodepool feature/zuulv3 branch  https://review.openstack.org/49262915:39
pabelangerjeblair: are you okay with manually provisioning zuulv3-dev.o.o zuul user authorized_keys file? Server is still in emergency file15:41
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jeblairpabelanger: y15:41
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openstackgerritJames E. Blair proposed openstack-infra/project-config master: Zuulv3: capitalize approvals  https://review.openstack.org/49392515:47
jeblairAJaeger, pabelanger, mordred: ^ i'm not certain, but that may be the cause of the not-gating error.15:47
openstackgerritDavid Shrewsbury proposed openstack-infra/project-config master: Disable py2 dsvm on nodepool feature/zuulv3 branch  https://review.openstack.org/49262915:48
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AJaegerjeblair: Zuul is dependent on proper capitalization? That will cause quite some fun with debugging ;(15:53
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jeblairAJaeger: gerrit is15:55
AJaegerjeblair: ;(15:56
jeblairAJaeger: in some database configurations, including one that we intend to migrate to (after we start using zuulv3)15:56
openstackgerritPaul Belanger proposed openstack-infra/project-config master: Create site_zuulv3_dev secret  https://review.openstack.org/49267115:56
jeblairAJaeger: it shouldn't affect very many places -- just those pipeline configuratoins15:56
AJaegerjeblair: I see, thank for tracking this down.15:56
pabelangerjeblair: AJaeger: +315:57
AJaegerjeblair: what do you think about adding a comment above them that capitalization is important?15:57
jeblairthat would be fine15:57
AJaegerjeblair: sicne your change is approved, let me provide a change on top of it...15:58
openstackgerritPaul Belanger proposed openstack-infra/project-config master: Create site_zuulv3_dev secret  https://review.openstack.org/49267115:58
pabelangerjeblair: do you mind looking at 492671 when you have a moment to see if that lines up with your #2. That's the first step needed for trusted playbook15:59
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pabelangerjeblair: actually, I just noticed and issue. I moment16:00
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openstackgerritSean Handley proposed openstack-infra/project-config master: Add IRC notifications for #openstack-publiccloud.  https://review.openstack.org/49393416:01
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openstackgerritPaul Belanger proposed openstack-infra/project-config master: Create site_zuulv3_dev secret  https://review.openstack.org/49267116:01
openstackgerritAndreas Jaeger proposed openstack-infra/project-config master: Add comment to zuul.yaml  https://review.openstack.org/49393616:02
AJaegerjeblair: ^16:02
AJaegerbbl16:03
mnaserdansmith clarkb pabelanger identified the cause of the timeout.  i've cleared it out and it shouldn't happen again16:04
clarkbmnaser: thank you!16:04
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clarkblooks like htcacheclean on iad mirror takes less than an hour16:05
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clarkbthis is our slowest IO node in useright now I think so that looks good16:06
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pabelangerclarkb: that is good news16:06
dansmithmnaser: cool16:06
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openstackgerritMerged openstack-infra/project-config master: Zuulv3: capitalize approvals  https://review.openstack.org/49392516:07
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clarkbthat is with 25GB in cache too. So assuming things scale linearly (probably bad assumption) we are looking at under 2 hours for total cleanup16:11
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openstackgerritGerman Eichberger proposed openstack-infra/project-config master: Add gate jobs for new openstack-ansible Octavia scenario  https://review.openstack.org/49110916:39
openstackgerritMerged openstack-infra/irc-meetings master: Change name of API-WG to API-SIG  https://review.openstack.org/49389616:39
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openstackgerritDima Kuznetsov proposed openstack-infra/project-config master: Add networking-sfc to Dragonflow's tempest job  https://review.openstack.org/49395016:47
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clarkbodyssey4me: hey noticed that periodic os ansible jobs hit http://logs.openstack.org/periodic/periodic-openstack-ansible-upgrade-ceph-master-ubuntu-xenial/ecc2d59/console.html#_2017-08-15_07_26_03_376527 other jobs were hitting that in the past (tracked by http://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/#1449136) but now with much more stable mirrors in place your jobs seem to be the only ones18:04
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clarkbodyssey4me: justthought I'd point it out as maybe your job is firewalling things off or otherwise preventing the job from going out to the mirror to find that one package on upgrade?18:04
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AJaegerjeblair: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/492715 is still not in the gate. I just toggled my +W18:11
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openstackgerritRyan proposed openstack-infra/bindep master: Add ability to list all deps  https://review.openstack.org/49269318:15
openstackgerritSagi Shnaidman proposed openstack-infra/tripleo-ci master: Create a whitelist for /etc configs  https://review.openstack.org/49397318:16
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openstackgerritMonty Taylor proposed openstack-infra/project-config master: Add devstack-gate repo to zuul v3  https://review.openstack.org/49397418:25
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pabelangerfungi: clarkb: new mirror.sto2.citycloud was launched this morning, but haven't changed DNS. Do we want to try that now? It is a 4C/8GB server now18:38
clarkbpabelanger: meeting is coming up but I think thats probably a relatively safe change18:38
clarkb(since servers are largely stateless)18:38
pabelangerclarkb: agree, I'll update DNS now18:39
openstackgerritRyan proposed openstack-infra/bindep master: Add ability to list all deps  https://review.openstack.org/49269318:39
openstackgerritMerged openstack-infra/project-config master: Add devstack-gate repo to zuul v3  https://review.openstack.org/49397418:41
pabelanger#status log mirror.sto2.citycloud.o.o DNS updated to 46.254.11.19 TTL 6018:42
openstackstatuspabelanger: finished logging18:42
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clarkbinfra team meeting in #openstack-meeting in 2 minutes (1900UTC)18:58
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openstackgerritMarkos Chandras (hwoarang) proposed openstack-infra/project-config master: jenkins: jobs: ansible-role-jobs: Increase job timeout to 90 minutes  https://review.openstack.org/49398618:59
openstackgerritIhar Hrachyshka proposed openstack-infra/elastic-recheck master: grenade: wait for service logs before matching against patterns  https://review.openstack.org/49398719:00
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ihrachys_ideas on why no logs were collected in http://logs.openstack.org/38/490638/1/check/gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-dvr-ubuntu-xenial/e62906e/ except console?19:02
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seanhandleyAny advice on how I can register #openstack-publiccloud as a channel? The support people in #freenode say I need to find the group contact for #openstack-*19:18
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seanhandleyI ask because this change is failing https://review.openstack.org/#/c/493934/19:18
seanhandleyThe offending error is "#openstack-publiccloud is not registered with ChanServ."19:18
seanhandleybut when I try to register it myself with /msg ChanServ, I get told I'm not allowed because I'm not an op in the channel19:19
seanhandley(but nobody else is an op, and I've no idea who originally created it)19:19
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AJaegerseanhandley: http://docs.openstack.org/infra/system-config/irc.html explains it19:24
AJaegerseanhandley: the Infra Manual links to that page, it's always a good start...19:24
seanhandleyI read it AJaeger19:25
seanhandleyit's not working for me19:25
AJaegerhttps://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/creators.html#configure-gerritbot-to-announce-changes19:25
AJaegerseanhandley: so, who created the channel?19:25
seanhandleyChanServYou must be a channel operator in #openstack-publiccloud in order to register it.19:25
seanhandleyI don't know AJaeger19:26
seanhandleyI've been asking in #freenode how to find out and they say it's not possible19:26
AJaegerseanhandley: is anybody using that channel at all? Let me check19:26
seanhandleyYeah I'm in there now19:27
seanhandleywe've been using it a while for conversations19:27
seanhandleyand I want gerrit messages to appear there19:27
AJaegerseanhandley: one of the admins should be able to help you - but we have right now the team meeting, so ask again at the hour, please19:27
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AJaegerseanhandley: but the first person entering it did not register it ;(19:27
seanhandleyAJaeger: It would seem so19:28
seanhandleyand I don't know who registered it19:28
AJaegerseanhandley: nobody registered - but the admins here can help but are not listening in for the next 30 mins...19:28
seanhandleywell, I mean I don't know who fist joined it and brought it into existence :)19:30
seanhandleyok, I'll circle back19:30
seanhandleythanks o/19:30
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openstackgerritKristi Nikolla proposed openstack-infra/project-config master: Remove uwsgi job for keystone  https://review.openstack.org/49400419:39
ianw[Tue Aug 15 09:33:48.088025 2017] [core:notice] [pid 25379:tid 140611876820864] AH00052: child pid 31713 exit signal Segmentation fault (11)19:39
pabelangerianw: oh, that would explain it19:40
ianw2017-08-15 09:33:48.464417 | INFO:kolla.image.build.zun-base19:40
ianwthere's a few of these ... but annoyingly on the mirror, each one i guess represents a gate failure19:40
AJaegerteam, could one of you +2A this project-config change for the magnum team, please? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/493556/19:41
clarkbseanhandley: if you get everyone to exit the channel then you can register it. Otherwise I think jeblair is who you will need to register it as a #openstack-* admin on freenode19:41
ianwpabelanger: http://paste.openstack.org/show/618438/19:41
clarkbAJaeger: can you review 494004 as well (handy because it removes a job and we have less capacity now)19:41
pabelangerianw: yum client should try up to 10 times to fetch the RPM. Maybe we need to make it smarter?19:41
ianwi'm not seeing the "scoreboard is full" errors we've seen before19:41
pabelangerianw: which server is that?19:41
clarkbianw: should we attempt switching the mpm worker type?19:41
clarkbAJaeger: heh that commit message isn't so nice...19:42
AJaegerthis removes all the newton periodic translations jobs - any reviewers? https://review.openstack.org/49375719:42
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clarkbAJaeger: ya I'll review that one too19:42
ianwpabelanger: iad.rax based on -> 2017-08-15 09:33:48.464417 | INFO:kolla.image.build.zun-base:http://mirror.iad.rax.openstack.org/centos/7/os/x86_64/Packages/centos-logos-70.0.6-3.el7.centos.noarch.rpm: [Errno 14] curl#18 - "transfer closed with 4024836 bytes remaining to read19:42
jeblairseanhandley: yes, please let me know if you're unable to get everyone to leave the channel (asking individually helps)19:43
ianwseeing as it got hung up on, i'm not sure what the retry policy is19:43
pabelangerAJaeger: clarkb: would be good to see what is failing. I know they have issue with atomic fedora ISO, but they should be mirrored now19:43
AJaegerclarkb: +3 for the uwsgi one - thanks for reviewing19:43
AJaegerSeems strigazi_OFF is not around anymore ;/19:43
pabelangerianw: thanks, missed that19:44
ianwclarkb: possibly on the worker mpm?  or xenial upgrade to get new apache ...19:44
AJaegerpabelanger: one example http://logs.openstack.org/81/491381/2/check/gate-functional-dsvm-magnum-k8s-ubuntu-xenial/a93deff/console.html19:44
clarkbjeblair: did the mtl01 new mirror get booted xenial?19:44
pabelangerupgrade to xenial should be straightfoward19:44
clarkbif so thinking that may be the best strategy since we have to upgrade eventually anyways19:44
jeblairclarkb: yes19:45
ianwwhat's that about known unknowns and unknown unknowns :)19:45
ianwhopefully it doesn't cause more problems than it solves19:45
jeblairdoes this mean i can hand inap replacement off to someone else?  i would love that19:45
jeblairall changes are staged, i'm just too scatterbrained to merge/watch them now19:45
clarkbAJaeger: both changes reviewed. I'm going to grab lunch now19:46
pabelangerAJaeger: ya, don't see anything obvious. Would have to read up more on job19:46
jeblairi just set them all to topic:inap19:46
clarkbianw: pabelanger jeblair I can help with replacing the servers with xenial (including finishing up inap name change) might be good to have a couple people doing it as it should go fairly quickly in that case19:46
clarkbjeblair: thanks19:46
clarkbok really lunch now19:46
pabelanger++19:47
AJaegerpabelanger: looking at http://logs.openstack.org/81/491381/2/check/gate-functional-dsvm-magnum-k8s-ubuntu-xenial/023881a/console.html#_2017-08-15_15_33_30_081538 - the devstack-vm-gate.sh takes 30 mins. Is that normal?19:47
ianwclarkb / pabelanger: i'm pretty sure i dug into this before in different contexts -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/apache2/+bug/163041319:47
openstackLaunchpad bug 1630413 in apache2 (Ubuntu) "segfault in server/mpm/event/event.c:process_socket" [Undecided,New]19:47
AJaegerclarkb: enjoy!19:47
AJaegerpabelanger: for timeouts see also https://review.openstack.org/#/c/493986/19:49
pabelangerianw: clarkb: the other thing I was thinking of, was setup a mirrorlist for yum client, meaning it it does have an issue with regional mirror, try moving to another cloud or directly upstream19:49
AJaegerand https://review.openstack.org/493092 also asks for timeout change19:50
pabelangerAJaeger: need to know which cloud it was running on19:50
openstackgerritJames E. Blair proposed openstack-infra/project-config master: Zuulv3: capitalize more things  https://review.openstack.org/49400619:50
dimsclarkb : on that pike->master grenade review, got to the point where tempest runs fine except for 2 failures - both SSH timeout(s), that too only on multinode. any thoughts?19:50
pabelangerAJaeger: because both infracloud and citycloud-lon1 were having serious IO / networking issues19:50
pabelangerAJaeger: it is also possible, these jobs just need to use our regional mirrors more19:51
jeblairpabelanger, AJaeger:  https://review.openstack.org/494006  should fix the gate issue19:51
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pabelanger+2 thanks19:51
AJaegerjeblair: +3 thanks19:51
AJaegerpabelanger: Let me add comments...19:51
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ianwpabelanger: yeah, it is a single point of failure ... but otoh really it should just be serving up a file which doesn't seem like it would be that hard to do reliably :)19:52
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AJaegerianw, pabelanger : Here's a fedora related change - do you want to review? https://review.openstack.org/49364319:53
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clarkbpabelanger: or maybe even just have it try a few times if segfaults are the problem19:54
clarkbdims: if you share links I can look after lunch19:55
dimsclarkb : thanks! http://logs.openstack.org/57/493057/12/check/gate-grenade-dsvm-neutron-multinode-ubuntu-xenial/07b8f83/logs/grenade.sh.txt.gz#_2017-08-15_18_12_20_73619:55
ianw[Tue Aug 15 09:41:07 2017] afs: disk cache read error in CacheItems slot 367868 off 29429460/125000020 code -4/8019:56
ianw[Tue Aug 15 09:41:07.550717 2017] [core:notice] [pid 25379:tid 140611876820864] AH00052: child pid 26230 exit signal Segmentation fault (11)19:56
ianwclarkb / pabelanger: ^ that looks extremely suspicious19:57
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openstackgerritMerged openstack-infra/project-config master: [magnum] Make swarm-mode and k8s tests -nv  https://review.openstack.org/49355619:58
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ianwit's always a little worrying when you google an afs error message, and the only hit you get is in afs_dcache.c19:58
openstackgerritMerged openstack-infra/project-config master: Disable Newton translations  https://review.openstack.org/49375719:58
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fungijeblair: clarkb: mordred: pabelanger: plan for 493918 sounds great to me20:00
seanhandleyok thanks jeblair20:00
seanhandleyWe're spread across timezones20:00
seanhandleyif you're able to register it as part of #openstack-* then I'd appreciate it.20:01
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AJaegerseanhandley: you can all leave in 24 hours ;)20:03
AJaegerif nobody is off...20:03
openstackgerritMerged openstack-infra/project-config master: Skip yum-config-manager on Fedora  https://review.openstack.org/49364320:04
seanhandleyif I can find the person who originally made the channel before registering it20:05
seanhandleythen they should be able to register it, right?20:05
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jeblairseanhandley: not any more.  someone has to be a channel operator to register it.  the first person in a channel becomes an operator automatically, but there are none now.20:07
fungiseanhandley: only if they retained operator status on it, i believe. if they left and reentered the channel later once there were other people in it that won't work20:07
seanhandleyahh I see20:07
seanhandleygotta love these edge cases20:07
fungialso, i am now caught back up on scrollback and the meeting log20:07
jeblairseanhandley: while we work on fixing this -- how could we avoid this happening again in the future?  is there some place where we are missing a pointer to our documentation on creating a channel?20:07
openstackgerritMerged openstack-infra/project-config master: Remove uwsgi job for keystone  https://review.openstack.org/49400420:08
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seanhandleyjeblair: I guess it'd be worth having a troubleshooting section on https://docs.openstack.org/infra/system-config/irc.html that explains what to do if you can't register a channel?20:09
jeblairseanhandley: yes, but i mean, how can we get the word out to folks to work with the infra team to set up new irc channels?20:09
jeblairbecause this is the fallback procedure when somethig goes wrong; i'd like it to go right the first time :)20:09
seanhandleyI guess it's not too uncommon for a WG to form and be in contact on IRC before setting up project_config stuff20:09
seanhandleyahh20:10
jeblairseanhandley: right, so how should we change that?20:10
seanhandleyThat's a toughie - people get excited and make channels so they can start talking and making things20:10
jeblairlike, how to we communicate to folks who are forming a WG what the process is?20:10
seanhandleyit's easier to instruct people on what to do if, rather than "don't do this if" - because the don't know they're on some controlled path with pitfalls if they take a different route20:11
openstackgerritMerged openstack-infra/project-config master: Zuulv3: capitalize more things  https://review.openstack.org/49400620:11
seanhandleyhmm20:11
seanhandleytbh I don't think I've read any "How to form an OpenStack WG doc" ?20:11
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seanhandleyThough it's been a long day, and I may be wrong20:11
jeblairseanhandley: right.  we wrote a "how to set up a project" guide.  maybe our community needs a "how to set up a WG guide"?  maybe in the project team guide?  (maybe there is one and i missed it?  i've been heads down in some stuff recently...)20:11
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seanhandleyI don't remember seeing one - we just got talking, emailing, chatting on IRC and gained momentum organically20:12
ianwpabelanger: https://github.com/openafs/openafs/blob/master/src/afs/afs_dcache.c#L2892 <- it seems like we got a -4 from the vfs layers, presumably EINTR.  does the actually cause more problems?  who knows20:12
seanhandleywe set up a project so we could create specs for the work we want to do20:12
seanhandleyI suspect it's the kind of thing that happens infrequently enough for anyone to have really nailed down the UX20:13
ianwclarkb: does xenial come with a different afs?  although, most of that code hasn't changed for 20 years it seems20:13
seanhandleyjeblair: I need to head off (it's getting late in the UK and I have to travel tomorrow)20:14
jeblairseanhandley: ya.  and i mean, we don't want to layer too much bureaucracy on it.  so maybe we can make a short section in the ptg we can point folks to.20:14
jeblairseanhandley: ok, i should have this set up in just a few more minutes20:14
jeblairseanhandley: good night!20:15
pabelangerianw: that is a cinder volume right?20:15
seanhandleythanks jeblair - catch you later o/20:15
clarkbianw: jeblair and mordred grok that stuff best20:16
openstackgerritMerged openstack-infra/infra-specs master: Move zuul_split to completed  https://review.openstack.org/48242220:18
fungiit's a shame russ doesn't hang out in irc, or we could feed him all sorts of interesting openafs debugging cases20:19
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jeblairianw: i'm not sure20:19
jeblairbut we can check20:19
jeblairianw: 1.6.15 vs 1.6.720:20
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ianwpabelanger: hmm, good point --> afs's layers to vfs to volume mounted via cinder.  that's some layers...20:21
ianwsprinkle a little kvm/xen throughout20:21
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jeblairianw: it's worth entertaining the possibility cause and effect are reversed.  it's possible that the segfault to apache caused EINTR to be returned (as EINTR can be returned when an application gets a signal).20:23
ianwjeblair: true.  we really should switch on sub-second iso timestamps for apache, that syslog format is so annoying20:24
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openstackgerritMerged openstack-infra/project-config master: Add test job for watcher with split tempest plugin  https://review.openstack.org/49037520:25
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ianwpabelanger / clarkb / jeblair : so, in summary, it seems clear something gets apache unhappy (http://paste.openstack.org/show/618438/), which kills transfers and fails jobs.  either apache itself, or afs (possibly due to cache on a cinder volume)20:35
ianwit doesn't seem worth us expending great effort debugging this on trusty20:35
pabelanger#status log created auto hold for gate-tripleo-ci-centos-7-containers-multinode to debug docker.io issues with reverse proxy20:35
openstackstatuspabelanger: finished logging20:35
ianwso i'd propose we swap rax.iad mirror with a xenial based one, and monitor for some time for these issues20:37
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ianwif we're still seeing it, then we can put the effort in to root cause it20:37
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jeblairianw: ++20:39
jeblairianw: does it happen on non-rax servers?20:39
pabelangerianw: so, if we can have yum retry the attempt on broken connection, that would help.  The default is 10 times, I wonder if we need to bump because apache is still down20:40
pabelangerianw: happy to try xenail ++20:40
ianwpabelanger: i think the retry is if it can't connect, more than if it does connect, but gets cut off20:40
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ianwjeblair: i had seen similar things on lon mirror server, but that was also very unhealthy.  i can do a bit of a log audit later20:42
pabelangerianw: right, I would think yum would retry another mirror, if connection broke. But I am gessing20:42
pabelangerguessing*20:42
clarkbianw: oh interesting re possibly on cinder volume20:47
clarkbianw: plan sounds good to me20:47
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clarkbdims: ok I'm looking at it now20:47
clarkbdims: the first thing I look at with this type of failure is did the instance console log show that it ste up an ip address. It did 10.1.0.9. Next I  notice that the server actually was assigned two fixed IPs. 10.1.0.5 and 10.1.0.9 however the intsance only seems to know about 10.1.0.9. If the floating IP attached to the .5 address that may explain it20:52
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openstackgerritJames E. Blair proposed openstack-infra/zuul feature/zuulv3: Test that secrets don't leak into logs  https://review.openstack.org/49401520:54
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clarkbdims: currently trying to track where the fip was attached20:54
dimsthanks clarkb, i got lost (and don't understand this side much)20:55
clarkbdims: maybe you can try to figure out why it got two IPs? that seems like a big since I don't think cirros image supports that20:56
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clarkbdims: and confirmed http://logs.openstack.org/57/493057/12/check/gate-grenade-dsvm-neutron-multinode-ubuntu-xenial/07b8f83/logs/screen-q-svc.txt.gz#_Aug_15_18_08_36_271636 it appears to have attached to the wrong IPs20:56
clarkbdims: grep for 'Lease of 10.1.0.9 obtained, lease time 86400' in the grenade log to see where it picked 10.1.0.9 and not 10.1.0.520:57
dimswill do in a little bit clarkb, thanks for the pointers20:58
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castulohi guys, good afternoon, I am trying to setup my own gerritbot using openstack-infra/gerritbot but I haven't been able to make it work. When I run gerritbot /path/to/my/config it doesn't show any error but it doesn't seem to do nothing, does it create a log file I could look at somewhere?21:03
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openstackgerritGage Hugo proposed openstack-infra/project-config master: Skip integration tests/non-doc jobs for doc only changes  https://review.openstack.org/49401821:12
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openstackgerritGage Hugo proposed openstack-infra/project-config master: Skip integration/non-doc jobs in certain cases  https://review.openstack.org/49401821:17
openstackgerritPaul Belanger proposed openstack-infra/project-config master: NODEPOOL_DOCKER_REGISTRY_PROXY needs trailing slash for docker  https://review.openstack.org/49402121:23
pabelangerclarkb: ianw: mind a +2 / +3 ^, that is our fix to get docker client to properly use mirror21:25
pabelangererr, reverse proxy cache21:25
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openstackgerritSagi Shnaidman proposed openstack-infra/tripleo-ci master: Exclude list for logs collection  https://review.openstack.org/49402221:34
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pabelangerinfra-root: do you all mind adding https://review.openstack.org/492671 do your review pipeline. I'd like to confirm everybody is happy with moving forward on testing the secrets, zuulv3-dev.o.o and tarball uploads21:36
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clarkbpabelanger: just commented on it21:36
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pabelangerclarkb: thanks, fixing21:38
openstackgerritPaul Belanger proposed openstack-infra/project-config master: Create site_zuulv3_dev secret  https://review.openstack.org/49267121:39
pabelangerclarkb: know if you can template hosts ?21:39
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pabelangernever tried myself21:40
clarkbpabelanger: I do not21:40
openstackgerritPaul Belanger proposed openstack-infra/project-config master: Create site_zuulv3_dev secret  https://review.openstack.org/49267121:40
pabelangerclarkb: k, pushed it up to try21:40
clarkbI think it should work because the whole file is jina2'd right?21:40
pabelangerYa, hopefully21:40
clarkbmordred: rcarrillocruz ^ may know21:40
openstackgerritGage Hugo proposed openstack-infra/project-config master: Skip integration/non-doc jobs in certain cases  https://review.openstack.org/49401821:41
clarkbpabelanger: I only see the one file updated21:42
clarkbpabelanger: the secrets content didn't get pushed?21:42
pabelangerclarkb: I pushed 2 patches21:42
clarkboh I commented on 6 not 721:42
clarkbsorry for noise21:42
pabelangernp. thanks for review!21:42
clarkb+2 thanks21:43
* fungi takes a look now that it's filtered through clarkb21:43
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funginot really (i was already starting to look at it), just glad he got to ask confused questions instead of me for a change21:44
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fungineat that we only briefly add and then remove the file so it doesn't stick around indefinitely21:45
fungijust long enough to prime the agent21:46
openstackgerritMerged openstack-infra/project-config master: NODEPOOL_DOCKER_REGISTRY_PROXY needs trailing slash for docker  https://review.openstack.org/49402121:46
fungias an added tinfoil hat measure, should we shred the file before deletion?21:46
fungii know that's not foolproof either, just a bit of added defense-in-depth maybe21:46
pabelangerwe could also do that21:51
clarkbanyone else willing to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/493658/ its a quick one to make our images more easily mangeable21:52
fungilgtm, package name matches what i expected21:52
clarkbfungi: is there more ptg prep we need to be doing? I assume you've given organizers rough room sizes?21:55
clarkbI seem to have lost my ptg ideas etherpad tab21:55
openstackgerritMerged openstack-infra/shade master: Make get_server_console tests more resilient  https://review.openstack.org/49268321:57
fungiclarkb: yeah, that was based on early attendance estimates (which i padded by maybe two just in case)21:57
pabelanger[Tue Aug 15 20:25:51.183969 2017] [core:notice] [pid 9788:tid 140692973217664] AH00051: child pid 11149 exit signal Segmentation fault (11), possible coredump in /etc/apache221:57
pabelangerclarkb: ianw: that was on kna1 mirror21:57
clarkbpabelanger: ianw and we don't use cinder volumes there21:57
fungiclarkb: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/infra-ptg-queens21:57
clarkbfungi: thanks21:58
fungilooks like someone (maybe pabelanger?) added a new possibility regarding py3k support21:58
fungiahh, no, someone else with a similar color to pabelanger but who is not in the pad, maybe21:59
pabelangerya, not I21:59
fungimaybe it was the same person who raised it on the -dev ml21:59
pabelangerhttp://cacti.openstack.org/cacti/graph.php?action=view&local_graph_id=64085&rra_id=all22:00
pabelangercan see where apache died22:00
clarkband that happaned on the larger flavor too right?22:00
pabelangeryes22:01
clarkbdefinitely seems like updating software is probably a good idea then22:01
pabelangerwe also have a swap, I manually created it on that server22:01
clarkbI think rax trips on this more often right so probably est to stick with the plan and upgrade there first22:01
openstackgerritMerged openstack-infra/project-config master: Add acpid to infra images  https://review.openstack.org/49365822:01
clarkbanother thing we can try if that doesn't fix it is using nginx22:01
clarkbor $otherwebserver22:01
clarkbif its some apache specific behavior that triggers it22:02
pabelangerclarkb: clearly we need load balancing now :)22:03
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pabelangerbut ya, xenial and mpm worker(?) is a good next step22:04
fungionly if whatever load balancer we layer in front doesn't even worse problems22:04
fungier, doesn't introduce even worse problems22:04
fungithe upgrade to xenial is also a stab in the dark, sounds like, but it's at least one we'll eventually need to consider anyway22:04
pabelangerfungi: clarkb: ianw: https://review.openstack.org/359278/ would let us generate coredumps22:07
pabelangerdid that a while back when we last had apache dying22:07
clarkbfungi: ya I think the idea there is lets upgrade since we need to anyways then worry about debugging these things if they persists22:07
clarkbbecause otherwise debugging trusty just to upgrade is not worth it22:08
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fungii can't disagree with that22:08
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openstackgerritGage Hugo proposed openstack-infra/project-config master: Skip non-doc jobs in certain cases  https://review.openstack.org/49402722:19
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openstackgerritJeremy Stanley proposed openstack-infra/infra-manual master: Add more content to zuul v3 migration  https://review.openstack.org/48969122:19
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openstackgerritGage Hugo proposed openstack-infra/project-config master: Skip non-doc jobs in certain cases  https://review.openstack.org/49402722:25
openstackgerritGage Hugo proposed openstack-infra/project-config master: Skip integration/non-doc jobs in certain cases  https://review.openstack.org/49401822:26
ianwpabelanger: i think i manually applied something like that on static.o.o?22:31
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clarkbpabelanger: ianw do we need to worry about filling the disk applying that?22:33
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pabelangerclarkb: ya, HDD should be watched, since we'll be create corefiles22:37
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ianwmight be better to hand apply22:44
clarkband do we want to wait until we observe it on xenial too (assuming we do?)22:44
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ianwi think so22:44
ianwi will bring up a iad xenial mirror in about 30 min or so22:45
clarkbsounds ood22:45
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clarkbshould we set max-servers in that region to 0 so that we can move the cinder volume?22:51
clarkbthat is what fungi did in ord I think22:51
fungithat'll keep the warm cache at least22:51
fungimore for the benefit of afs than apache22:51
fungialso, cinder volumeS22:52
fungithe one for afs was already fully utilized, so i added a second volume to each server for apache (unless the rootfs was large enough to accommodate 100gb for afs and 100gb for apache plus the os and whatnot)22:53
clarkbgotcha22:53
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clarkbfungi: I marked the python3 ptg idea helproom I think it fits there as I don't expect we'd hack on getting python 3.6 working that week22:57
fungiagreed, that seems like the best fit22:58
openstackgerritMerged openstack-infra/infra-manual master: Add more content to zuul v3 migration  https://review.openstack.org/48969122:58
fungithough i also don't know that we have much more to say at this point beyond what came up in the ml thread22:59
fungii guess projects that really want to try their jobs on fedora 26 can do so and run with python 3.6 there22:59
clarkbya22:59
fungithough i expect for a lot of those jobs, getting them to run on fedora is the harder part, fixing py36-specific issues much less complicated23:00
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openstackgerritMerged openstack-infra/system-config master: Disable inactive infra-root accounts  https://review.openstack.org/48969823:01
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ianwfungi: if it's "just" tox type tests, i'd think not too hard23:07
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ianwRackspace is migrating the cloud servers listed below from their current location in our DFW datacenter to another location in the DFW datacenter. You are receiving this message because our automatic live-migration tool failed.  -> stackalytics.openstack.org23:15
ianwdo we know about that ^23:15
pabelangernot I, I also can confirm it is down23:15
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mordredjeblair, pabelanger, clarkb: do we have any good examples of how to do a notify in puppet when a specific file changes but the thing we're managing is a git repo?23:19
ianwok, rax thinks it's alive23:19
clarkbmordred: I think you have to do it against the vcsrepo resource23:19
ianwbut on the console it's dead "task xenwatch blocked for more than 120 seconds"23:20
mordredclarkb: what if we add a creates[] on the vcsrepo then do a notify on a corresponding file resource?23:20
openstackgerritMerged openstack-infra/zuul feature/zuulv3: Test that secrets don't leak into logs  https://review.openstack.org/49401523:20
ianwi'm hard rebooting it23:20
mordred"Change has been successfully merged into the git repository by Zuul" ^^ jeblair23:21
clarkbmordred: is creates a param supported by the vcsrepo resource? I don't think it is23:21
mordredhrm, I think you're right23:21
ianwpabelanger: ok, whatever it does, it's doing it now.  do we need it?  was this part of an incomplete transition from the .com domain?23:22
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mordredwhat if we just fo File { depends->vcsrepo, notify->reload ...23:22
* mordred goes to poke for a second23:22
jeblairmordred: i assume we have something like that for zuul/layout.yaml ?23:25
mordredjeblair: not that I can find23:27
mordredoh - I think we notify on layout dir23:27
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openstackgerritAlex Schultz proposed openstack-infra/tripleo-ci master: Revert "Installs openssh packages that try to workaround sshd start problem"  https://review.openstack.org/49403923:28
jeblairmordred: yeah, i think file vs dir is immaterial.  i think you can notify on files or dirs even if they're controlled by vcsrepo23:29
clarkbI think that may be a compile error as there is no resource with that name and type managed by puppet23:29
mordredjeblair: ok - so, in v2 we copy files from the project-config git repo when the git repo changes23:29
jeblairmordred: oh, wait i'm wroing about that -- we copy the dir from vcsrepo into place in etc23:29
clarkbwhat you can do is vcsrepo <- file <- service23:29
jeblairso it's triggering on that copy23:29
mordredyup. then we can notify on that23:29
clarkbwhere puppet copies the file out of the resource23:29
mordredyah23:29
mordredyup23:30
mordredand we're just putting it in /etc/zuul/layout with the other bits23:30
mordredso - this really should just work - other than v2 does start-stop-daemon signal 1 and in v3 we want to do zuul-scheduler reconfigure yeah?23:31
jeblairmordred: no, we haven't written zuul-rcheduler reconfigure yet23:32
jeblairso it's still sighup23:32
jeblairif that's running and not working, it's a bug23:32
mordredah. ok. neat. well - let's see if it's working...23:33
openstackgerritAlex Schultz proposed openstack-infra/tripleo-ci master: Revert "Installs openssh packages that try to workaround sshd start problem"  https://review.openstack.org/49403923:34
openstackgerritPaul Belanger proposed openstack-infra/tripleo-ci master: Revert "Installs openssh packages that try to workaround sshd start problem"  https://review.openstack.org/49404023:35
mordredjeblair: yup. it's working23:37
mordredjeblair: 2017-08-15 20:11:28,676 INFO zuul.TenantParser: Loading previously parsed configuration from openstack-infra/devstack-gate23:37
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