| mwhahaha | in the past we had issues with centos nodes being scarce when the pipelines were full of xenial jobs | 00:00 |
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| mwhahaha | but that doesn't seem like the case today | 00:00 |
| otherwiseguy | a rule like "all tests have finished, except these non-voting jobs which haven't even queued yet--screw it." :p | 00:00 |
| fungi | yeah, activity levels are low | 00:00 |
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| mwhahaha | well all my puppet jobs cleared out, so might just want to check on those multinode centos nodes | 00:01 |
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| mordred | fungi: kevinbenton missed our earlier discussions (he's caught up now) but left a wonderfully complete response on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/456394/ | 00:03 |
| mordred | fungi: completely with Alice, Bob and Mallory! | 00:03 |
| fungi | hrm, yeah the ones which started are running on regular centos-7 not multi-node so maybe something was squatting those in nodepool for some reason | 00:03 |
| mordred | fungi, kevinbenton: I kind of feel like in addition to the spec (once I update it after today) that this topic deserves a blog post | 00:04 |
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| kevinbenton | mordred: it's definitely worth writing up somewhere | 00:05 |
| fungi | ah, yep, we have some stale ready centos-7-2-node, 3-node and 4-node nodes too. deleting those now | 00:05 |
| kevinbenton | because the threat models definitely change the reasoning about these things | 00:05 |
| kevinbenton | (stupid obvious statement ^^) | 00:05 |
| fungi | yep, always start out asking "what's your threat model?" | 00:06 |
| mordred | I always start out asking "what would fungi think?" | 00:06 |
| kevinbenton | in this particular case, 'MiTM attacks' isn't even a precise enough threat model | 00:06 |
| kevinbenton | which is what caused the confusion :) | 00:07 |
| mordred | yah- MiTM-honeypot and MiTM-agent-forwarding-interception | 00:07 |
| mordred | (and I think that second one needs a better name) | 00:07 |
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| fungi | also i'm unconvinced that getting the host key via a network connection is sensible... what we really lack is a mechanism for individual virtual machine instances to surface data through the api | 00:08 |
| mordred | the honeypot one is especially fun in the cloud world - since it's SUPER easy to spin up a server that is an ubuntu xenial server with nothing on it - and you've got a 90% chance that that's what the person spun up | 00:08 |
| fungi | (which of course comes with its own new and frightening set of security challenges too) | 00:08 |
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| mordred | fungi: you don't think the neutron network agent pinging the port is sufficient? | 00:09 |
| kevinbenton | maybe we can derive a standard for them to spit it out a virtual serial port :) | 00:09 |
| fungi | packet filtering becomes a problem there very quickly, i think | 00:09 |
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| mordred | it does - at least if the person in question has blocked off their inbound ports | 00:10 |
| kevinbenton | fungi: from neutron's perspective we could obviously bypass security groups, but instance level firewalls would always be an issue | 00:10 |
| kevinbenton | we could allow POST to metadata maybe? | 00:10 |
| mordred | although at the moment the spec says we'll just return an error if you have security-group'd or firewalled your ports off | 00:10 |
| fungi | kevinbenton: yeah, we've previously discussed a mechanism to grab it via nova console api calls, but there are some notable openstack deployments who disbale/break that functionality too | 00:10 |
| fungi | which is _almost_ like getting it via virtual serial | 00:11 |
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| fungi | mordred: i _do_ at least agree that neutron has a better chance of being able to reach that socket than nova, fwiw | 00:11 |
| mordred | fungi: ++ | 00:12 |
| mordred | fungi: and the curent proposal is that it's a request theuser makes to hit it | 00:12 |
| fungi | mwhahaha: yep, clearing out the stale centos-7 multinode nodes got those remaining jobs going again | 00:12 |
| mordred | fungi: so if the user has decided they don't want things connecting to their port, they also are likely to not attempt to get neutron to fetch it | 00:13 |
| mordred | one would hope | 00:13 |
| fungi | mordred: if nothing else, i think your proposal is an excellent straw man to get people talking about what the actual options are | 00:13 |
| mordred | fungi: dude. I'm going to have my proposal completely implemented by monday. no more talking ;) | 00:13 |
| fungi | i think it's a problem worth solving, and an example of a more general class of unsolved problem in the current holistic design | 00:14 |
| mordred | yah. I agree - and it's one where a full description of the problem is really only just now fleshing itself out | 00:14 |
| mwhahaha | fungi: cool thanks | 00:15 |
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| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack-infra/shade master: Don't do all the network stuff in the rebuild poll https://review.openstack.org/459025 | 00:16 |
| kevinbenton | fungi, mordred: well we could turn up the implementaiton difficulty and allow the user to specify the source IP that the scan will come from :) | 00:16 |
| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack-infra/shade master: Fix create/rebuild tests to not need a ton of neutron https://review.openstack.org/459026 | 00:16 |
| fungi | at the most fundamental level, "how do i know the instance i'm talking to now is the instance i just booted?" and then from a broader standpoint, "we have ways for openstack to pass data to instances, but no standardized mechanism for openstack to retrieve data from instances" | 00:16 |
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| otherwiseguy | woohoo, some tripleo-ci-centos-7 jobs are starting> :) | 00:16 |
| kevinbenton | otherwiseguy: are you hiding from me in here?!!? :P | 00:17 |
| otherwiseguy | kevinbenton, no! since I want https://review.openstack.org/#/c/458947/1 to be approved, I like to think of it as tracking you down in here :p | 00:18 |
| otherwiseguy | (I see that you voted on it, thanks) | 00:18 |
| otherwiseguy | Apparently that was v1, though. | 00:18 |
| kevinbenton | otherwiseguy: i saw a funky global requirements patch fail downgrading ovsdbapp | 00:19 |
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| otherwiseguy | And I spun a v2 that was a whitespace change because I was trying to fix the gate issue that they just fixed. | 00:19 |
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| otherwiseguy | kevinbenton, huh? weird. | 00:19 |
| kevinbenton | otherwiseguy: I re-approve in exchange for you figuring out what you did here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/458811/ | 00:19 |
| kevinbenton | :P | 00:19 |
| mordred | fungi: don't forget "we do not have any normal way for an instance to make API calls authenticated as the instance" - although zaneb is hammering at that | 00:19 |
| fungi | mordred: yep, i feel like that's closely related | 00:19 |
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| otherwiseguy | kevinbenton, it was proposal bot, not me! | 00:20 |
| mordred | fungi: because if we had a real way for an instance to call API with an instance-specific auth - then it _would_ be reasonable to have things like cloud-init/glean report back a hostkey | 00:20 |
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| fungi | precisely | 00:21 |
| fungi | jeblair: clarkb: pabelanger: for whatever reason, we had four centos-7 nodes in a "used" state according to nodepool predating the maintenance window by half an hour or so, and one each of centos-7-2-node, -3-node and -4-node in a ready state for days. should we be doing any manual node cleanup in future restarts like that? | 00:21 |
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| kevinbenton | why would global requirements bot propose a lower version than is present in global reqs? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/458811/ | 00:22 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jesse Keating proposed openstack-infra/zuul feature/zuulv3: support github pull request labels https://review.openstack.org/444511 | 00:24 |
| kevinbenton | otherwiseguy: oh, i suspect it was just a timing thing with you explicitly bumping setting it here to 0.3.0 https://github.com/openstack/neutron/commit/e6333593ae6005c4b0d73d9dfda5eb47f40dd8da | 00:24 |
| kevinbenton | otherwiseguy: then that triggered proposal bot to downgrade it | 00:25 |
| kevinbenton | otherwiseguy: before this landed https://github.com/openstack/requirements/commit/8d87728e17f33378fd9d09b36f82945248798167#diff-d7d5c6fa7118ea10d88f3afeaef4da77 | 00:25 |
| otherwiseguy | I'm not sure I understand how that would happen, but I trust you. :p | 00:26 |
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| fungi | change 458811 was proposed at 04-21 11:54 | 00:27 |
| fungi | utc | 00:27 |
| fungi | change 458581 merged at 04-21 06:30 utc | 00:27 |
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| kevinbenton | fungi: the interesting part is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/453014/ is the first thing adding ovsdbapp to requirements in neutron | 00:30 |
| kevinbenton | fungi: and it depended on 458581 | 00:30 |
| kevinbenton | using depends-on | 00:30 |
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| kevinbenton | so somehow requirements bot managed to get a snapshot of before global requirements was bumped but after neutron had a requirements.txt file | 00:31 |
| kevinbenton | containing ovsdbapp | 00:31 |
| kevinbenton | even though the Depends-On implied that shouldn't have happened | 00:31 |
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| fungi | i think i know what happened | 00:33 |
| fungi | kevinbenton: otherwiseguy: http://logs.openstack.org/0c/0cdbc81dea03d83d6cb7cf68eb3fde0051c5c807/post/propose-requirements-updates/0049417/console.html#_2017-04-21_11_54_39_953530 | 00:35 |
| fungi | that was triggered by this merge commit: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/requirements/commit/?id=0cdbc81dea03d83d6cb7cf68eb3fde0051c5c807 | 00:35 |
| fungi | it and http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/requirements/commit/?id=584c9ed55ae824ca3efb2dc71a4d35bce5e380f4 landed in rapid succession | 00:36 |
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| fungi | the proposal jobs triggered by each of those started relatively close to one another as a result | 00:36 |
| fungi | and they raced, with the job triggered by the "earlier" commit proposing its adjustment later than the commit which came immediately following it | 00:37 |
| kevinbenton | fungi: well i reckon 584c9ed55ae824ca3efb2dc71a4d35bce5e380f4 realized it didn't have to propose any changes at all | 00:38 |
| fungi | the job for the later change is http://logs.openstack.org/58/584c9ed55ae824ca3efb2dc71a4d35bce5e380f4/post/propose-requirements-updates/09254cf/console.html | 00:38 |
| kevinbenton | fungi: since the commit on the neutron side already had correct requirements | 00:38 |
| fungi | so actually, those jobs didn't race | 00:40 |
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| fungi | the one for the ovsdbapp minimum bump merge commit just didn't propose anything to neutron because it already matched, yeah | 00:42 |
| kevinbenton | ok | 00:42 |
| kevinbenton | mystery solved :) | 00:42 |
| kevinbenton | thanks :) | 00:43 |
| fungi | so the race was between when the manual adjustment was merged to neutron's requirements.txt and when the proposal job for the commit before the ovsdbapp minimum bump ran | 00:43 |
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| fungi | since that job was for a commit prior to the requirement matching, it wanted to downgrade the entry to what it knew from its timeframe | 00:44 |
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| dmsimard | pabelanger: fyi everything related to RDO should be back online now | 16:04 |
| dmsimard | rdoproject.org came back about an hour ago | 16:04 |
| clarkb | pabelanger: ya gearman should stop running jobs if the client side goes away. maybe processes died before they could negotiate everything? | 16:17 |
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| pabelanger | clarkb: not sure. I used our hard reset playbook, maybe we need to try it out a little more | 16:24 |
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| AJaeger | mtreinish, infra-root, is health broken? http://status.openstack.org/openstack-health/#/ reports "The last data in the subunit2sql database, from "2017-04-21T12:32:17.000Z", is >1 day old. There might be an issue with result collection. " | 17:55 |
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| dimak_ | Hello, can someone help me with reviewing https://review.openstack.org/#/c/457469/ please? | 19:12 |
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