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| Sam-I-Am | fungi: he made changes, or rax? | 00:07 |
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| Sam-I-Am | fungi: the old path was den->dfw via he, now its den->chi then jumps to zayo to dfw | 00:16 |
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| Sam-I-Am | based on that, i'm guessing he made the change | 00:17 |
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| jroll | fungi: yay! thanks for the update | 00:24 |
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| fungi | Sam-I-Am: rackspace noc adjusted their routing | 00:52 |
| fungi | according to the ticket update anyway | 00:52 |
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| Sam-I-Am | fungi: odd | 00:54 |
| Sam-I-Am | question of who broke what | 00:55 |
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| fungi | it's possible rackspace changed the peers to which they're announcing their prefixes | 00:55 |
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| Sam-I-Am | my guess is he into dfw is shorter by hops, so they did some wrangling to make the longer route more appetizing | 00:56 |
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| fungi | a.k.a. padding | 00:56 |
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| fungi | so also possible | 00:57 |
| Sam-I-Am | yeah, or futzing with pref/med | 00:57 |
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| Sam-I-Am | halfway tempted to poke he to see what they know | 00:58 |
| fungi | yep, or that | 00:58 |
| fungi | i'd be curious | 00:58 |
| Sam-I-Am | they're usually pretty quick | 00:58 |
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| fungi | it's odd, their looking glass showed they were receiving v6 prefixes from rackspace's as12200 at the equinix dallas peering | 00:59 |
| fungi | and it looked from traceroutes like they were trying to forward for them through there | 00:59 |
| fungi | taceroutes from he space were getting to that router, and that router was able to ping v6 addresses through the peer into rackspace dfw | 01:00 |
| fungi | so it really looked like return traffic wasn't making it back across the peering point | 01:01 |
| fungi | traceroutes from the rackspace end got to a rackspace router in equinix dallas if reverse dns is to be believed | 01:02 |
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| Sam-I-Am | according to the lg now, i can get to my rax dfw hosts through he | 01:03 |
| Sam-I-Am | and equinix | 01:03 |
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| Sam-I-Am | yum, a pizza arrive | 01:16 |
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| bookwar | hi, there is this request to renamed project (which is now openstack/fuel-web) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/218179/ - and i can see only if i am not logged it. After login this link gives "The page you requested was not found, or you do not have permission to view this page." message | 09:51 |
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| aspiers | hi all, is the channel topic is out of date now? | 10:15 |
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| fungi | oh, i thought we cleared that | 12:10 |
| fungi | #status ok | 12:10 |
| openstackstatus | fungi: sending ok | 12:10 |
| Clint | you did | 12:11 |
| fungi | bookwar: i can see that change while logged in | 12:12 |
| openstackstatus | fungi: finished sending ok | 12:12 |
| aspiers | where should I report bugs with infra-manual? | 12:12 |
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| aspiers | I couldn't find a suitable looking launchpad project | 12:13 |
| fungi | aspiers: storyboard.openstack.org | 12:13 |
| aspiers | fungi: thanks - I already found that but couldn't see a suitable project there either | 12:14 |
| aspiers | oh, I know why | 12:14 |
| aspiers | I didn't spot that there were 140 projects and a search dialog :) | 12:14 |
| aspiers | thought there were only 10 :) | 12:14 |
| aspiers | hmm, '400: GET /api/v1/projects/search: Unknown argument: "offset"' | 12:14 |
| aspiers | fungi: so I can't search or paginate the project list | 12:15 |
| bookwar | fungi: yes, it is strange, some people can, but me and dburmistrov can not. Could it be related to the fact that dburmistrov is commiter and i am the reviewer of the patch, so our acl's are different from just the viewer role? | 12:15 |
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| *** ChanServ changes topic to "Discussion of OpenStack Developer and Community Infrastructure | docs http://docs.openstack.org/infra/ | bugs https://storyboard.openstack.org/ | source https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/ | channel logs http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-infra/" | 12:15 | |
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| fungi | aspiers: set the page length as high as possible in your preferences | 12:16 |
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| Clint | aspiers: are you `prompt adam1`? | 12:16 |
| aspiers | Clint: yes I am, how on earth did you know that :) | 12:17 |
| Clint | 'cuz i'm `prompt clint` | 12:17 |
| fungi | bookwar: that is indeed strange. i'm checking gerrit logs now for any clues | 12:18 |
| aspiers | Clint: awesome, great to bump into you here :) that takes me back many years | 12:18 |
| Clint | aspiers: time sure flies | 12:19 |
| aspiers | Clint: as you probably remember I wrote that whole theming system | 12:19 |
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| aspiers | and then unfortunately someone reinvented the wheel outside zsh | 12:19 |
| Clint | plenty of people are still using it | 12:19 |
| aspiers | that's good to hear | 12:20 |
| aspiers | I've used `adam2` for 15? 17? years now | 12:20 |
| aspiers | I can't even remember | 12:20 |
| aspiers | but TBH it is due an overhaul | 12:21 |
| aspiers | these days the cool kids are embedding things like git branch names in there | 12:21 |
| aspiers | which I would actually find useful I think | 12:21 |
| Clint | i certainly am | 12:21 |
| Clint | the vcs repo subsystem is pretty good | 12:21 |
| Clint | vcs_info | 12:22 |
| aspiers | I didn't even know about that | 12:22 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/python-jenkins: Update .gitreview for new namespace https://review.openstack.org/236560 | 12:22 |
| aspiers | haven't really done any zsh hacking for years - I guess I reached the "good enough" stage | 12:22 |
| aspiers | somethings still irritate me but not enough to fix them | 12:22 |
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| * Clint nods. | 12:23 | |
| aspiers | fungi: thanks, finally found it: https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/project/721 | 12:23 |
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| aspiers | fungi: so is that 400 error a known issue? can't see it in the storyboard projects | 12:30 |
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| fungi | aspiers: if i log out and back into storyboard and then follow that link i don't get a 400 | 12:39 |
| aspiers | I got it before and after logging in | 12:39 |
| fungi | i expect it's some sort of session-caching bug | 12:39 |
| aspiers | seems 100% reproducible here | 12:40 |
| fungi | development has picked back up on storyboard recently, so maybe Zara or one of the others working on it has some additional details | 12:41 |
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| fungi | bookwar: i added myself as a reviewer on 218179 but am still not getting any errors viewing it | 12:43 |
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| fungi | bookwar: did you perhaps have that change open in your browser from before the repo was moved and haven't closed and reopened it? gerrit's frontend is implemented as a monolithic single-page javascript app and tends to cache a lot of things you wouldn't normally expect | 12:45 |
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| bookwar | fungi: hm, might be, i just tried from a private window and it works now, i'll check once more | 12:47 |
| bookwar | thanks | 12:47 |
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| openstackgerrit | venkatamahesh proposed openstack/python-jenkins: Change repositories from stackforge to openstack https://review.openstack.org/236700 | 12:52 |
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| aspiers | here's another storyboard bug ... "401: GET /api/v1/projects/721: No error details available." | 13:43 |
| aspiers | weird | 13:43 |
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| openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Resort jenkins/jobs/projects.yaml https://review.openstack.org/236710 | 16:03 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ethan Lynn proposed openstack/requirements: Add python-senlinclient to global requirements https://review.openstack.org/227158 | 16:08 |
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| AJaeger | infra-root, please review 236710 and tell me whether the alphabetical sorting is fine. Would be nice to get this in quickly if you agree... | 16:12 |
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| openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Resort jenkins/jobs/projects.yaml https://review.openstack.org/236710 | 16:55 |
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| openstackgerrit | Monty Taylor proposed openstack-infra/devstack-gate: Always copy clouds.yaml to jenkins user https://review.openstack.org/236716 | 16:56 |
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| mordred | AJaeger: it's fine by me | 17:07 |
| mordred | fungi: think we need to get any more opinions? | 17:07 |
| fungi | nope | 17:08 |
| mordred | done. +3 | 17:08 |
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| mordred | fungi: double +A even! | 17:08 |
| nibalizer | aww im too late! | 17:10 |
| mordred | nibalizer: you can still add a +A | 17:12 |
| nibalizer | hahah | 17:12 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config: Resort jenkins/jobs/projects.yaml https://review.openstack.org/236710 | 17:14 |
| openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Sort zuul/layout.yaml alphabetical https://review.openstack.org/236719 | 17:14 |
| AJaeger | mordred, fungi: And here's the patch for zuul/layout.yaml ^ | 17:15 |
| AJaeger | mordred, fungi: Thanks for approval! | 17:15 |
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| AJaeger | nibalizer: you have another chance with 236719 ;-) | 17:22 |
| AJaeger | infra-root, if 236719 sorts zuul/layout.yaml, would be great to get this one in quickly as well if you agree. Thanks! | 17:24 |
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| nibalizer | AJaeger: kk | 17:27 |
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| openstackgerrit | Bharat Kumar Kobagana (BharatK) proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Refactoring GlusterFS jobs https://review.openstack.org/236727 | 18:30 |
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| openstackgerrit | Dave McCowan proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Add Project Marshal https://review.openstack.org/234530 | 18:40 |
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| AJaeger | clarkb, the dependent change of your https://review.openstack.org/#/c/234510/1 has merged,feel free to self +A to trigger the merge when you want | 18:46 |
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| nibalizer | AJaeger: ah i went to brunch sorry. ill review after | 18:55 |
| AJaeger | nibalizer: no worries... Thanks! | 18:55 |
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| aspiers | hi AJaeger :) | 19:07 |
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| AJaeger | hi aspiers, did you manage to file a bug for infra-manual or have you given up and sent a change instead? ;) | 19:08 |
| aspiers | I filed two | 19:08 |
| aspiers | I would file a change if I knew the answer | 19:08 |
| aspiers | or maybe it was just one, I can't remember | 19:08 |
| aspiers | I filed one for storyboard too | 19:08 |
| aspiers | AJaeger: I'm thinking about emailing openstack-dev proposing a new top-level category in reference/projects.yaml for HA, what do you think? | 19:08 |
| AJaeger | aspiers: you mean a tag? | 19:09 |
| AJaeger | aspiers: one of these: http://governance.openstack.org/reference/tags/index.html | 19:09 |
| * fungi assumes he means a new official project-team | 19:09 | |
| aspiers | no I don't | 19:09 |
| aspiers | right | 19:09 |
| aspiers | a toplevel entry in projects.yaml | 19:09 |
| fungi | those top-level entries are teams of people working on some joint effort | 19:10 |
| aspiers | which yes, corresponds to a team | 19:10 |
| AJaeger | aspiers: so a complete new official project team... | 19:10 |
| aspiers | I'm not sure it makes sense, but I don't see any other team which openstack-resource-agents could belong under | 19:10 |
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| aspiers | AJaeger: I'm not sure if you saw https://review.openstack.org/#/c/236227/ ? | 19:10 |
| aspiers | and also it's not clear to me whether something in the Big Tent *has* to be in this file or not | 19:11 |
| aspiers | that's what I filed the bug about | 19:11 |
| AJaeger | aspiers: I haven't yet... | 19:11 |
| aspiers | https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2000382 | 19:11 |
| aspiers | http://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/creators.html#add-new-repository-to-the-governance-repository also seems to be missing a link to a complete list of valid tags and their meanings | 19:12 |
| AJaeger | aspiers: let's catch up tomorrow, I'll can give you some more details - but not right now... | 19:12 |
| aspiers | I assume I can find that if I google it | 19:12 |
| AJaeger | http://governance.openstack.org/reference/tags/index.html | 19:12 |
| aspiers | right | 19:13 |
| aspiers | I'll submit a review to fix that | 19:13 |
| AJaeger | thanks | 19:13 |
| openstackgerrit | Tom Cammann proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Add doc8 job to run doc8 testing https://review.openstack.org/235854 | 19:13 |
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| AJaeger | aspiers: ping me tomorrow if you like to chat/talk, please... | 19:14 |
| * AJaeger will quick add comments to your hcange | 19:15 | |
| aspiers | AJaeger: consider yourself pinged | 19:15 |
| aspiers | :) | 19:15 |
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| * AJaeger will call aspiers at 7am his time ;) | 19:16 | |
| aspiers | haha | 19:16 |
| * aspiers will not answer :) | 19:16 | |
| fungi | aspiers: some of your questions may be answered by the project team guide maintained by the technical committee (if you're looking for conceptual rather than implementation detail answers) | 19:17 |
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| AJaeger | aspiers: http://docs.openstack.org/project-team-guide/ | 19:17 |
| aspiers | fungi, AJaeger: thanks I'll read that! | 19:17 |
| fungi | the point of the infra manual is more how to interact with the infrastructure we maintain to support the project, while the project team guide is a lot more of the background on why we have certain processes, conventions and cultural norms | 19:18 |
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| aspiers | Maybe I'm missing something but I can't find the answers I'm looking for in the Project Team Guide; in fact it's raising even more questions :-) | 20:46 |
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| aspiers | Specifically, do the projects in https://github.com/openstack/governance/blob/master/reference/projects.yaml represent the whole of the Big Tent, or just a subset? | 20:46 |
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| aspiers | That guide also says "Every OpenStack project has a PTL who's elected at the end of every cycle", but IIUC in the Big Tent model that's not true for a lot of projects - right? | 20:47 |
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| mordred | aspiers: it is still correct | 20:49 |
| aspiers | Or is the confusion here that there are two "levels" of project? i.e. the top-level entries in reference/projects.yaml represent a project team (which implies projects such as "Neutron" etc.) | 20:49 |
| aspiers | but then there are sub-projects under Neutron | 20:49 |
| mordred | yes. project != git repo | 20:49 |
| mordred | project == entry in projects.yaml | 20:49 |
| mordred | every one of those has an elected PTL | 20:49 |
| mordred | how that project organizes itself can vary | 20:50 |
| aspiers | thanks, that makes sense | 20:50 |
| mordred | \o/ | 20:50 |
| * mordred has done something useful :) | 20:50 | |
| aspiers | well, sort of ;-) | 20:50 |
| aspiers | but I still don't know whether I should be aiming to add my new project there | 20:50 |
| aspiers | (where "my" and "new" are fairly misleading words ...) | 20:50 |
| mordred | what's 'your' project? | 20:50 |
| aspiers | https://launchpad.net/openstack-resource-agents | 20:50 |
| aspiers | it's specifically for OpenStack, but it spans all existing projects | 20:51 |
| aspiers | and the only "bucket" which would make sense for it is "HA" | 20:51 |
| mordred | hrm. interesting question | 20:51 |
| aspiers | I can't see any existing project team in that file which would be suitable | 20:51 |
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| aspiers | but creating a new team (and associated PTL elections) is probably too heavyweight | 20:52 |
| aspiers | as per https://github.com/madkiss/openstack-resource-agents/issues/22#issuecomment-149041590 | 20:52 |
| mordred | well ... so you can just start off adding the git repo without dealing with projects.yaml Big Tent things | 20:52 |
| aspiers | yeah that's what I figured and have done | 20:53 |
| mordred | woot | 20:53 |
| aspiers | still waiting for reviews though ;-) | 20:53 |
| mordred | past that - I'd honestly think an OpenStack Pacemaker project or something would not be ridiculous | 20:53 |
| lifeless | harlowja: so I think we want a github repo for funcsigs | 20:53 |
| mordred | I mean, we have openstack puppet and openstack chef and openstack ansible projects | 20:53 |
| aspiers | "still" as in, since yesterday evening so I'm not exactly complaining ;-) | 20:53 |
| mordred | :) | 20:53 |
| lifeless | harlowja: do you happen to have an org hanging around? | 20:53 |
| lifeless | harlowja: I could put it under the testing-cabal org | 20:54 |
| aspiers | ajaeger already found one bug which I've fixed | 20:54 |
| mordred | aspiers: I do agree that "HA" seems to broad, given the different approaches to that | 20:54 |
| mordred | but the existence of pacemaker resource agents is a valuable thing | 20:54 |
| aspiers | mordred: true, "OpenStack Pacemaker project" makes way more sense than "OpenStack HA project" | 20:54 |
| aspiers | I'd be happy to submit a review adding that | 20:55 |
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| aspiers | I could email openstack-dev first if you think that's worthwhile, although it seems all the gurus are listening on here anyway :) | 20:55 |
| mordred | cool | 20:55 |
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| mordred | aspiers: I'd actually hold off a bit | 20:56 |
| aspiers | we could discuss in Tokyo | 20:56 |
| mordred | the Big Tent applications are currently looking for projects to exist for a little bit | 20:56 |
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| mordred | so just getting your current infra patch landed and rolling with it for a bit is a great first step | 20:56 |
| aspiers | I also wanted to propose an #openstack-ha IRC channel, and an "[HA]" subject tag for the mailing lists | 20:56 |
| aspiers | ok sure, that makes sense | 20:57 |
| aspiers | although in this case, the repo has existed since 2012 | 20:57 |
| aspiers | and has been referenced by the official OpenStack HA guide for a very long time too | 20:57 |
| aspiers | so it's not really a new project at all | 20:57 |
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| aspiers | I'm just revitalizing it and applying the OpenStack standards of project management | 20:58 |
| aspiers | (since the maintainer left the OpenStack world) | 20:58 |
| aspiers | but there's certainly no rush for the governance stuff :) | 20:59 |
| aspiers | OTOH, having #openstack-ha and "[HA]" sooner rather than later would be very nice :) | 21:00 |
| aspiers | although I suppose there's a similar argument for #openstack-pacemaker and "[pacemaker]" | 21:00 |
| aspiers | OK I'll stop thinking aloud and spamming the channel now | 21:00 |
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| mordred | aspiers: it's good aloud thinking | 21:02 |
| aspiers | :) | 21:03 |
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| lifeless | mordred: since you're around. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/235506/ | 21:06 |
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| mordred | lifeless: done | 21:29 |
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| lifeless | mordred: thanks | 21:42 |
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| jhesketh | Morning | 22:06 |
| mordred | morning jhesketh ! | 22:06 |
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| jhesketh | o/ | 22:06 |
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| ruagair | o/ | 22:29 |
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| tonyb | lifeless: are you able to look at: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/235536/ context in: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-October/077226.html (and follow ups) | 22:36 |
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| lifeless | tonyb: I can't +2 stable | 22:50 |
| tonyb | lifeless: Ah okay. | 22:50 |
| tonyb | lifeless: thanks anyway :) | 22:51 |
| lifeless | sorry :/ | 22:51 |
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| ruagair | morning gus. | 23:09 |
| openstackgerrit | Ian Wienand proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Fix devstack repo path in bashate job https://review.openstack.org/236750 | 23:13 |
| gus | ruagair: yo. | 23:13 |
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| anteaya | gus: hey there | 23:16 |
| gus | anteaya: hey :) | 23:17 |
| anteaya | mordred: if you are about, I would really appreciate some help reviewing this stack: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/project:openstack-infra/yaml2ical+owner:tonyb+status:open,n,z | 23:17 |
| anteaya | gus: looking forward to seeing you in tokyo | 23:17 |
| anteaya | mordred: I want a feature in irc-meetings to be able to skip a meeting and have it show up as skipped in meetings page yaml | 23:18 |
| anteaya | this will allow me to actually skip a third party meeting rather than having to chair them during summit | 23:18 |
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