Tuesday, 2015-05-19

clarkbhttps://jenkins04.openstack.org/job/os-brick-tarball/1/console is the tarball failure from earlier00:00
clarkblooks like the tag didn't show up so it broke00:00
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jogolifeless: I can start testing hacking with flake8 2.4.1 but I think the best case for getting a fix out for hacking is 2 hours00:01
jogoand your patch is no good00:01
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clarkbthingee: https://pypi.python.org/pypi/os-brick/0.1.100:02
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clarkbthingee: I had to manually retrigger the tarball build then the upload job, unsure why the tarball build failed the first time around. I am going to shove that console log in a paste somewhere so we can look at it00:02
lifelessjogo: we don't need a hacing release00:03
lifelessjogo: we just need teh g-r change00:03
jogolifeless: that won't work. hacking isn't auto synced in00:03
lifelessdhellmann: he wanted to understand, and he does now00:03
lifelessjogo: doesn't matter00:03
jogoand nothing directly depends on flake800:03
lifelessjogo: oh00:03
thingeeclarkb: thanks!00:03
jogoin other words if you land that patch to g-r it won't get applied anywhere in any test job00:03
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clarkbos-brick-tarball failure log is at http://paste.openstack.org/show/227533/00:03
lifelessjogo: ok so - pbr>=0.11,<2.000:04
lifelessjogo: thats what we need in hacking00:04
lifelessjogo: to unwedge00:04
lifelessjogo: yes, got that00:04
lifelessjogo: I'm with you now00:04
jogolifeless: that is it? that should be easy00:04
Kennando we have a options for pbr failure ? seems many jenkins failed for that00:05
lifelessKennan: we're discussing already, please see the backscroll. Its in progress00:05
Kennanlifeless: yes noticed https://review.openstack.org/#/c/183930/00:06
Kennanbut seems still someone not agree00:06
lifelessjogo: assuming that thats the only conflict yes00:06
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lifelessjogo: hacking master has <2.0 in it already00:07
openstackgerritRussell Bryant proposed openstack-infra/project-config: networking-ovn: move from stackforge/ to openstack/  https://review.openstack.org/18415900:07
lifelessjogo: so if we can release master as 0.10.200:07
lifeless...00:07
jogolifeless: testing that out now00:07
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jogowhat is a dependency that I can install to test breaking things00:08
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lifelessjogo: pbr ?00:08
jogolifeless: pbr + ?00:08
lifelessjogo: [what do you mean]00:08
lifelessjogo: to reproduce the gate prolem?00:09
jogolifeless: an oslo library that isn't capped00:09
jogoyes00:09
jogoor has a higher cap rather00:09
lifelessjogo: pip install hacking00:09
lifelessjogo: then00:09
lifelessjogo: pip install pbr==1.0.000:09
lifelessjogo: -> boom00:09
lifelessjogo: then pip install /path/to/hacking00:09
lifelessjogo: -> fixed00:09
jogoanything I can add to hacking's venv to trigger a fail perhaps?00:10
jogotrying things in hacking's tox venvs00:10
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jogoso I can validate a fix00:10
jogoI think I know actually ...00:10
lifelesspip install pbr==0.600:11
lifelessjogo: that will make master hacking fail too00:11
lifelessjogo: or 0.10.800:11
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lifelessjogo: how are you trying to test it? like 'tox'? or jus tmanually...00:14
jogorunning something inside of tox00:14
lifelessjogo: ok, so you'll need to edit tox.ini00:14
jogosomething like  hackin$ tox -evenv "pip install oslotest; flake8"00:14
clarkbjhesketh: I know you are summiting for the log at http://paste.openstack.org/show/227533/ doesn't seem to show up at logs.o.o and it should be served via swift. If you have any ideas on why that may be that would be great00:14
lifelessjogo: but honestly its going to be self defeating00:14
clarkbjhesketh: otherwise I will likely spend some time tomorrow digging into and debugging that00:15
lifelessbecause tox's job is to get working deps in place00:15
jogolifeless: see ^00:15
lifelessjogo: however, "pip install pbr==0.10.8; flake8" should do it00:15
lifelesssince hackings trunk constraint is >=0.1100:16
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jogolifeless: I am looking for something that will get fixed once I move to pbr>=0.11,<2.000:16
jogobased on hacking 0.10.1 source not trunk00:16
jogotrunk cannot be used for 0.10.200:17
lifelessjogo: ok, so to break hacking 0.10.1, do "pip install pbr==1.0.0; flake8"00:17
* sigmavirus24 can confirm ^00:17
clarkbjhesketh: I am going to guess that something to do with post vs gate/check pipelines is at fault00:17
jogogreat00:17
clarkbjhesketh: but reading the parameters fed to both I don't see anything odd00:18
clarkbOH! I wonder if it sat in the post queue so long that the swift parameters were no longer valid?00:18
jogolifeless: creating a hacking 0.10.x branch now00:19
lifelessjogo: we can't release master as 0.10.2?00:19
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lifelessjogo: (I'm presuming not based on your making a branch :))00:19
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jogolifeless: because we made a rule stricter00:20
jogowhich is not backwards compatible00:20
lifelessk00:20
jogomerge 6c4761d5471ec1f7cec471b80a83906a4d7ee51300:20
lifeless?00:21
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jogoI819d2069f169cabd1fcf333057a80790678e3745 is the offending patch00:21
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lifelessjogo: oh ok00:22
lifelessjogo: anyhow, what next; do you need anything from me?00:22
lifelessjogo: should I send a mail about this now?00:22
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clarkbjogo: does that happen before we merged the pbr update?00:23
clarkbif not you could just tag the pbr update00:23
clarkbbut making a branch is good too so don't let me stop that00:23
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jogoclarkb: that patch happened before any pbr update00:23
fungilifeless: jogo: clarkb: i'm back to the part of the facility with working network again... need me to assist? i was going to watch the hp lightning talks but if you need help i'm happy to prioritize that00:23
jogoit was the first thing after the 0.10.100:24
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jogolifeless: I may need a hand in a moment not sure00:24
jogofungi: ^00:24
clarkbfungi: I don't think so, aiui jogo is making a branch then a release and all will be well00:24
clarkbjogo: I am here00:24
jogolifeless: if you could not hit send on the email for another 5 minutes or so00:24
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fungiif you don't need in-person hacking help, i can just pitch in from 208 for now00:25
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_2_kathiahola00:25
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jogofungi: well I am still in SF so in person would be hard00:26
fungijogo: aha, i thought you were here00:26
jogohttps://review.openstack.org/184160 https://review.openstack.org/18416100:26
jogoto open the branch00:26
jogofungi: I had a personal thing today, so arrive early tommorrow00:27
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jogothose two patches should be enough to get the 0.10.x branch functional00:27
jogonext patch will be to change the pbr reqs00:27
jogohopefully that doesn't fail do to g-r or something00:28
clarkbjogo: we need a third change to use the right version of pbr00:28
clarkbjogo: it shouldn't g-r is smart about that00:28
lifelessclarkb: that is 'next patch' I think00:29
lifelessclarkb: but neds the branch first ?00:29
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clarkbthe branch exists now, it is called 0.10.x00:30
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sdagueI heard there is a break?00:31
lifelesssdague: yeah, nearly unwound00:31
sdagueok00:32
lifelesssdague: pbr 1.0 installed because nova had merged the <2.0 spec change; flake8 used pkg_resources to load hacking as a plugin00:32
jogoclarkb: correct on all counts -- https://review.openstack.org/18416300:32
lifelesssdague: but hacking 0.10.1 had the <1.0 spe00:32
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lifelesssdague: so flake8 throws00:32
lifelesssdague: we're just prepping to send a mail about it soon00:32
jogoclarkb: if that passes all the tests we can merge it and release hacking 0.10.200:32
jogolifeless: ^00:33
sdaguewell, if you need any review help, let me know00:33
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lifelesssdague: https://review.openstack.org/184163 we believe :)00:33
clarkbjogo: cool, stack has my _200:33
clarkber +200:33
jogosince the change from 0.10.1 is just the pbr change I am very confident that we won't break other things from 0.10.1 to 0.10.200:33
clarkbyup agreed00:33
clarkbshould be very safe00:33
sdagueok, +A00:33
sdagueI just looked at that stack, seems sane00:34
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jogothanks00:35
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clarkbI get the sense we may want to rebalance our min-ready node counts if we don't have enough ready nodes during the summit00:37
clarkbbut we can fix that post summit00:37
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sdagueok, last change has passed check, so it should flip to gate soon00:38
sdagueso you should be about 10 minutes from being able to tag00:38
* jogo gets ready to tag the release00:38
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jogolifeless: once I tag the release and we are sure this fixes things it will be safe to email I think00:40
lifelessjogo: I wasn't going to email saying ixed00:40
lifelessjogo: I was going to email saying 'this may happen, this is what it is, this is what we're doing'00:40
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lifelesssdague: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/183930/ would be nice to merge too00:41
lifelesssdague: though its not a gate thing00:41
sdaguelifeless: ... looking00:41
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sdaguejogo: you have a more long term plan for that instead?00:42
lifelesssdague: we've changed flake8 to use require=False00:42
clarkbgreghaynes: last image is built so you should be all set00:42
lifelesssdague: but since we have to release hacking anyway to get the new flake8, this alternative hacking change is smaller00:43
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sdaguelifeless: ok, I don't quite have this whole thing in my head right now. So I'd rather not make this change unless we need it if there is another path to resolve. And we can circle back on this during a non summit week if we want a different longer term change.00:43
lifelesssdague: ack00:44
lifelesssdague: that is really just to unbreak the pip-resovler job00:44
lifelesssdague: which flagged that our requirements are not satisfyable today00:44
greghaynesclarkb: \O/ ty00:44
openstackgerritJoe Gordon proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Make hacking-python34 gating  https://review.openstack.org/18416500:44
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jogosdague: yeah we can further unwind things later00:46
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jogolifeless: 0.10.2 pushed00:49
lifelessjogo: \o/00:49
lifelessok, I'll mail now00:49
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jogolifeless: go for it, locally testing nova with new hacking00:50
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jogolifeless: and just as expected, it worked :)00:52
greghaynesclarkb: success!00:53
Kennanlifeless: so this new release would make jenkins work ?00:54
lifelesssent00:54
jogolifeless: this was actually a very good time to break the gate, no one is developing00:55
Kennansomone still developing :-(00:56
jogofewer people are developing*00:56
jogoKennan: yes00:56
jogothe pep8 job failures should be fixed00:57
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Kennanjogo: ok good to know00:58
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tchaypojogo: I’m trying to find what sends the data about the gate job success/fail to graphite01:07
tchaypodo you know where that happens?01:07
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clarkbtchaypo zuul sends it01:08
greghaynesclarkb: search for statsd in zuul01:09
clarkbtchaypo ^01:09
greghayneser, right01:09
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jogotchaypo: infra is a borg hive mind01:20
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openstackgerritMerged openstack-infra/project-config: Make hacking-python34 gating  https://review.openstack.org/18416505:09
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openstackgerritfumihiko kakuma proposed openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: Add retry configuration for command.  https://review.openstack.org/18402906:15
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openstackgerritRussell Bryant proposed openstack-infra/project-config: networking-ovn: move from stackforge/ to openstack/  https://review.openstack.org/18415906:31
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openstackgerritfumihiko kakuma proposed openstack-infra/puppet-jenkins: Add retry configuration for jenkins-jobs command  https://review.openstack.org/18286806:37
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openstackgerritfumihiko kakuma proposed openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: Add retry configuration for command.  https://review.openstack.org/18402907:58
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openstackgerritEtienne BESSON proposed openstack-infra/project-config: move watcher project to stackforge repository  https://review.openstack.org/18420708:53
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openstackgerritEtienne BESSON proposed openstack-infra/project-config: move project to stackforge/watcher  https://review.openstack.org/18414910:05
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openstackgerritIlya Tyaptin proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Add functional test job for ceilometer  https://review.openstack.org/18422310:48
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AJaegerjogo: thanks for the hacking backports!11:16
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asilenkov_Hello there! I have a question about OpenStack Infra (hudson-openstack) robot -> https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1352208 - it reopened this bug without any commit or information. I wonder how could this be possible )11:46
openstackLaunchpad bug 1352208 in Fuel for OpenStack "Zabbix deployment incompatibility with granular architecture" [High,In progress] - Assigned to Dmitry Ilyin (idv1985)11:46
asilenkov_Also I can't see any related activity in request attached few comments above (11:47
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katyaferventHi all!11:54
katyaferventIs it possible for disable job for one patch? we have circle dependencies here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/184196/ and here https://review.openstack.org/#/c/183101/11:55
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katyaferventgate-murano-devstack-dsvm should be disabled in 184196. how it's can be done?11:56
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AJaegerkatyafervent: that's not possible.11:57
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AJaegerkatyafervent: Please discuss with clarkb once he's awake (later today) - or come back after the summit and discuss with the team on what is possible.11:57
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openstackgerritEtienne BESSON proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Create new stackforge project watcher. Watcher takes advantage of CEP and ML algorithms/metaheuristics to improve physical resources usage through better VM placement.  https://review.openstack.org/18414912:20
katyaferventAJaeger, thank you12:23
openstackgerritAndreas Jaeger proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Create new stackforge project watcher  https://review.openstack.org/18414912:30
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clarkbasilenkov_ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/170237/ got a new patchset and fixes the bug so the bug status was updated. Its not wont fix if you are fixing it12:48
clarkbkatyafervent you need to make one change forward and backward conpatible, make second change then cleanup original as necessary using proper deprecation cycle for the cleanup12:49
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asilenkov_^^clarkb ok I see now. But I can't see this request in comments in LP bug.13:09
asilenkov_nvm ty13:10
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vaidy_riljeblair, ping13:39
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openstackgerritDarragh Bailey proposed openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: Wrap file objects with codecs to handle unicode  https://review.openstack.org/18393913:48
openstackgerritDarragh Bailey proposed openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: Reformat xUnit publisher help  https://review.openstack.org/18358513:50
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openstackgerritDarragh Bailey proposed stackforge/python-jenkins: Provider helper classes for plugin data management  https://review.openstack.org/15431614:07
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openstackgerritSam Thursfield proposed openstack-infra/gear: Handle SIGINT correctly in Client.waitForServer()  https://review.openstack.org/18426415:05
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openstackgerritSam Thursfield proposed openstack-infra/gear: Allow setting a timeout for Client.waitForServer()  https://review.openstack.org/18426515:12
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openstackgerritElena Ezhova proposed openstack-dev/pbr: Remove self.pre_run calls in packaging.py  https://review.openstack.org/18427315:49
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lifelesshows the gate etc ?16:02
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openstackgerritMatthew Treinish proposed openstack-infra/subunit2sql: Use setuptools extras for graphing requirements  https://review.openstack.org/18427816:09
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mtreinishlifeless: ^^^ if you get a sec I'd appreciate your opinion on that. Trying to use extras16:12
clarkblifeless: I think master is happy again but stable branches need some hacking releases on the older releases too16:12
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lifelessclarkb: can you +2 +A https://review.openstack.org/#/c/184273/ ?16:13
lifelessmtreinish: looking16:13
lifelessclarkb: (there was a testr-glue regression) in pbr16:13
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clarkblifeless: looking16:15
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clarkbseems like pyflakes should catch that, in any case its an easy thing to approve16:17
mtreinishlifeless: thanks16:17
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lifelessmtreinish: of course, we haven't had the discussion about 'are extras ok' yet:)16:18
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mtreinishlifeless: heh, fair enough. But, it fits what I was looking for. It's simple enough to revert if we decide not to use them16:20
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lifelessmtreinish: there's a pip bug where pip install .[graph] won't work yet16:20
lifelessmtreinish: and update.py doesn't know about extras yet16:20
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lifelessmtreinish: but thats all I know about so ar16:21
lifelessfar16:21
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mtreinishwell subunit2sql g-r synced so I don't really have to worry about update.py16:21
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lifelessmtreinish: https://github.com/pypa/pip/issues/123616:21
mtreinishbut the pip bug sounds annoying16:21
lifelessmtreinish: subunit2sql *isn't* or *is* ?16:22
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mtreinishisn't16:22
lifelesshttps://github.com/pypa/pip/pull/278516:22
lifelessah16:22
* mtreinish wants to blame his stupid gen2 x1 carbon keyboard16:22
lifelessso it probably should be locked downin some fashion16:22
lifelessbut thats one of the things we need to work through16:23
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mtreinishsure16:24
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vaidy_jeblair, ping16:32
vaidy_hi16:32
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clarkblifeless: looks like pbr itself may fail the hacking version check16:33
vaidy_the gate-rally-pep8 seems to be failing continuously16:33
clarkblifeless: I am looking to see if the update is trivial and if it is already proposed16:33
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vaidy_any idea??16:33
clarkbvaidy_: its the hacking issue, there is mail on the list about it16:33
clarkbvaidy_: but basically oyu need to either make sure ou use the fixed version of hacking or relax your pbr version16:34
vaidy_clarkb, sorry i am not in the mailing list16:34
vaidy_clarkb, i mean i am not subscribed to the mailinglist16:34
clarkbvaidy_: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-May/064362.html thats the start of the thread on the archive16:34
lifelessclarkb: trolololol.16:35
lifelessclarkb: thanks16:35
clarkblifeless: pretty much16:35
lifelessclarkb: also, /wrists. But mainly trololololol.16:35
clarkblifeless: I think it has to do with how we explicitly install . in pbr testing so its self testing but have somehow managed to break that in a subtle way16:36
openstackgerritElena Ezhova proposed openstack-dev/pbr: Bump new hacking version  https://review.openstack.org/18428516:36
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openstackgerritElena Ezhova proposed openstack-dev/pbr: Remove self.pre_run calls in packaging.py  https://review.openstack.org/18427316:36
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clarkblifeless: oh I see it, we install old hacking, let me see how bad updating that is, otherwise we can wait for fixes on the older hacking releases16:37
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clarkblifeless: looks like we may be passing latest hacking so I will just push that change up16:41
lifelessclarkb: cool16:41
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openstackgerritClark Boylan proposed openstack-dev/pbr: Update hacking to 0.10.x series  https://review.openstack.org/18429016:42
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lifelessclarkb: hammered16:45
lifelessclarkb: now, why didn't update.py tell us bout that16:45
clarkblifeless: I think pbr may not be in the projects list inside of openstack/requirements which is what we use in the job to update reqs16:45
clarkblifeless: that is likely a bug given ^16:46
lifelesslooking16:46
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clarkblifeless: https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/requirements/tree/projects.txt it is not there16:46
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lifelessnothing ffrom openstack-dev is16:46
lifelessoh no16:46
lifelesshacking is16:46
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lifelessbtw16:48
lifelesskerberos is failing to wheel16:48
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lifelesshttp://logs.openstack.org/52/124652/4/check/check-pbr-installation-dsvm-upstream/c9f06b0/console.html#_2015-05-16_22_30_19_24716:48
lifeless(showing pip moving on past :))16:48
lifelesssdague: ^16:48
openstackgerritlifeless proposed openstack/requirements: Add pbr to synchronised projects.  https://review.openstack.org/18429316:48
clarkblooks like we are missing a dev lib16:49
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lifelesswe need a bindep file there16:49
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vaidy_clarkb, then the jenkins server needs to be hacked with the latest pbr16:49
clarkblifeless: I expect fungi to get that in place shortly after the summit (it is very close)16:49
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lifelessvaidy_: ?16:50
fungiclarkb: yep16:50
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vaidy_lifeless, http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-May/064362.html16:50
vaidy_lifeless, regarding the gate-pep8 failures16:51
lifelessvaidy_: still not getting your point (I wrote that email :))16:51
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vaidy_lifeless, i mean when i submit the patch the jenkins should take care of the pbr rite? in the hp cloud16:51
vaidy_lifeless, correct me if i am wrong16:52
lifelessvaidy_: Which patch? What does HP cloud have to do with the hacking update?16:52
vaidy_lifeless, i am facing this issue in rally too16:53
vaidy_check this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/179739/16:53
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openstackgerritlifeless proposed openstack-dev/pbr: Add kerberos deps to build the kerberos wheel.  https://review.openstack.org/18429416:54
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lifelessvaidy_: it is controlled by your test-requirements.txt file16:55
openstackgerritDarragh Bailey proposed openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: Fix Builder.update_job() on Python 3  https://review.openstack.org/17223816:55
lifelessvaidy_: you need 0.10.2 or a new 0.9.x release that hasn't happened yet.16:55
vaidy_lifeless, ok16:55
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lifelessvaidy_: try using 0.10.2 locally, and if its clean (or easy to fix) then you can just update your test-requirements.txt to match whats in global-requirements.txt in the requirements repository16:56
openstackgerritDarragh Bailey proposed openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: Wrap file objects with codecs to handle unicode  https://review.openstack.org/18393916:56
vaidy_lifeless, ok16:56
lifelessvaidy_: also you probably want to make rally be synchronised with requirements, since you have a stale dependency constraint there16:56
lifelessclarkb: so we might need to fold these all together16:56
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lifelessclarkb: ah actually the kerberos one is advisory, so we're ok16:57
lifelessclarkb: though we should land it16:57
clarkblifeless: ya  Ithink hacking update gets in first then the others should all go in16:57
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lifelessclarkb: hah https://review.openstack.org/#/c/184285/16:57
vaidy_lifeless, let me talk to boris-4216:58
lifelessclarkb: we both missed it :)16:58
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clarkblifeless: I did skim the list, :(16:58
lifelessclarkb: (its a dep of the pre_run thing)16:58
clarkblifeless: we can merge that one instead16:58
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clarkb(more fair to the person that actually fixed things)16:58
lifelesso no, that person added it after the first one bounced16:58
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lifelessvaidy_: is elena on IRC ?16:58
vaidy_lifeless, let me check16:59
clarkboh also that doesn't match global requirements so maybe we should use mine (or update the other)16:59
clarkbwe need it to match to make your change to add enforcement happy16:59
vaidy_lifeless, dont think so16:59
lifelessclarkb: yeah16:59
lifelessyours will go in soon, waiting on tempest17:00
clarkbkk17:01
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fungijeblair: looks like a few oslo contributors might have use for pbx.openstack.org? http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-May/064361.html17:06
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clarkbfungi: does that render super left aligned for you? I am noticing that I have no marging at all on the left and makes reading hard17:07
clarkbusing chromium17:07
lifelessjogo: lets talk about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/183930/17:07
fungiclarkb: the list archive page?17:08
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jeblairclarkb: yes it does for me17:08
fungii see the same in ff, yes17:08
jeblairfungi: shall i respond to that or are you doing so?17:08
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fungijeblair: i can, though didn't know if you had specific recommendations not yet present on the wiki17:09
clarkbI wonder if mailman updated templates? or maybe browsers started treating the css differently? ( this is not my area of knowing things )17:09
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fungiclarkb: my bet is that we're linking css from www.o.o and it changed17:10
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jeblairfungi: nope, just followed wiki.  might want to suggest they pick a conf number != 600017:10
fungiwill do! thanks jeblair. replying to that thread now17:11
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reazemAJaeger: Should I wait for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/183170/ ? Or do I have to ask now?17:14
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jeblairclarkb, fungi, nibz: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/yvr-infra17:17
jeblairthat's my schedule for today17:17
jeblairi can bridge those for anyone who wants...17:17
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jeblairwe can keep updating that pad for later days, or if we need to split up for anything17:18
jeblairand actually the javascript one would be good to have coverage in: http://libertydesignsummit.sched.org/event/a865773cc1b491dd90d218fd638d8700#.VVte07xonVM17:18
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jeblairmordred, pleia2, fungi: ^17:19
fungithanks. trying to get to etherpad.o.o and sched.org from the front of the keynotes is not happymaking for me at the moment17:20
clarkbjeblair: someone else just responded to your gerrit thread saying they have the same issue17:20
clarkbjeblair: so its not just us \o/17:21
StevenKwifi in the keynote is not happymaking17:21
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jeblairclarkb: excellent timing17:21
fungiclarkb: yeah, and with gerrit 2.11, so presumably not fixed by newer patches yes17:21
fungier, yet17:21
StevenKMy laptop says three bars, but my phone says zero.17:21
fungioh, 2.11 has the same git as 2.10.3, in 2.10.4 jgit is newer17:22
lifelessnew pip incoming later today17:22
jeblairfungi: wow i need a diagram17:23
jeblairi appear to be 3 feet from a wifi transceiver with line of sight17:25
jeblairfungi: ttx must be blocking your signal ;)17:26
StevenKHaha17:26
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StevenKI am the middle of a mass people, poor wifi17:26
fungijeblair: it could also just hate me17:26
pleia2javascriot thing is during my panel :\17:27
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lifelessgnar tempest17:27
mordredjeblair: I'm going to js17:27
fungii'm happy to be in any session which needs infra coverage, so if that's js then i'm game17:27
fungialso i think krotscheck is planning to be there17:27
lifelesshttp://logs.openstack.org/90/184290/1/check/gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-src-pbr/3e9001c/console.html#_2015-05-19_17_25_57_42217:28
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fungiso i can take it as another opportunity to give him a hard time17:28
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openstackgerritDarragh Bailey proposed openstack-infra/git-review: Switch to requests to support proxying of 'https'  https://review.openstack.org/18017817:28
pleia2I think krotschexk is running it :)17:29
jeblairpleia2: ah yeah, that panel looks cool.  i don't think you should miss it.  :)17:29
pleia2jeblair: thanks :)17:30
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jeblairmordred: k, i added you to that list; i don't know that anyone needs that audio-bridged so i don't think you'll need to do that unless someone asks17:32
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mordredjeblair: where you now?17:33
jeblairmordred: row 2 seat 217:33
openstackgerritlifeless proposed openstack-dev/pbr: Remove self.pre_run calls in packaging.py  https://review.openstack.org/18427317:33
mordredah17:34
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fungido we need an infra rep in either design or ops summit 101 sessions?17:38
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jeblairfungi: ttx said that he and anne do the design 101 session.  it would be a good thing for our new infra folks to attend17:42
openstackgerritDarragh Bailey proposed openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: Separate out custom yaml tags into separate classes  https://review.openstack.org/18037017:42
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jeblairi'd go if it weren't for the py3 session17:42
* crinkle is stuck in puppet session all day, sorry :/17:42
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fungiagreed, new infra peeps who are available would definitely benefit from going17:43
jeblaircrinkle: you're the infra coverage for the puppet session :)   (which is unfortunately a whole-day conflict with the cross-project sessions)17:44
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openstackgerritDarragh Bailey proposed openstack-infra/jenkins-job-builder: Support lazy resolving of include yaml tags  https://review.openstack.org/6358018:03
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pelixfungi jeblair zaro: if you fancy reviewing something for JJB while you're not completely snowed under in Vancouver, https://review.openstack.org/183488 would be a good candidate since tests on python 3.4 fail without it.18:05
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* anteaya is in user notifications as is mordred18:08
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clarkbpelix: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/181364/7 passed python3.4 too, what changed?18:09
* mordred is going to push for imap18:09
clarkbmordred: not pop?18:09
mordredclarkb: shared folders + seen flags + idle == kinda perfect for this18:10
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clarkbmordred: one big issue with it is you have to poll or drain the battery on your phone (which may or may not be a problem for openstack)18:11
greghaynesPlease no openstack on phones18:11
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clarkbgreghaynes: in the area of user notifications ocnsuming them on a portable device makes sense to me18:12
clarkb"tell my phone when you are done building my new application so I can go eat dinner now"18:13
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greghaynesclarkb: yea yea, its a neat concept18:13
scottdaInfra team, what is the launchpad tag for infra bugs?18:13
greghaynescurrent situation is kind light years from that though18:13
greghayneser, kind of18:13
scottdaAnd is infra the right place to log a bug for missing git hook?18:13
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clarkbscottda: missing git hook?18:14
clarkbwe don't use git hooks other than the one git review installs for you18:14
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scottdaok, thanks.18:15
clarkbscottda: can you provide more info though? curious to know what the issue is18:15
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jeblairclarkb: audio ok?18:16
scottdaI merged a patch that had "Closes-Bug: 1454407"18:16
openstackbug 1454407 in Cinder "cinderclient no longer honors --endpoint-type" [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1454407 - Assigned to Scott DAngelo (scott-dangelo)18:16
clarkbjeblair: yup thanks18:16
scottdaBut since it is missing the pound/hash sign '#' it didn't get linked to the launchpad bug automatically18:16
jeblairclarkb: atherpad is on screen; chat should work18:17
clarkbjeblair: thanks, I have it up18:17
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scottdaSo, I'm not sure if that causes further issues besides linking the patch and bug. But I thought a git hook to parse for that would save me from my own errors (and possibly others)18:18
openstackgerritGeorge Peristerakis proposed openstack-infra/system-config: Moved the server class settings out of the eavesdrop class  https://review.openstack.org/18430518:18
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clarkbscottda: so I don't think thats the problem18:18
clarkbscottda: it should accept the # or without the #. In general git hooks are a problem because they are not automatically installed (for good reason) so you can't expect everyone to use them18:19
clarkbscottda: so lets figure out why this broke and fix that instead18:19
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scottdaok, sounds good.18:19
clarkbhttps://launchpad.net/~cinder-bugs/+members#active thats the group that the hudson user needs to be in and is in that group so thats not the issue18:20
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openstackgerritMerged openstack-infra/project-config: Create new stackforge project watcher  https://review.openstack.org/18414918:21
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clarkbscottda: https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/jeepyb/tree/jeepyb/cmd/update_bug.py is the script gerrit runs to update the bugs fwiw18:23
clarkbI am about to look in logs18:23
tchaypoit makes me sad when people give out github links instead of git.openstack.org links18:23
tchaypois that just me?18:23
clarkbbut need to pay attention to design sessions so won't do a lot more debugging right now. If you do want to submit a bug against jeepyb on storyboard.openstack.org we can keep track there18:23
clarkbscottda: ^18:23
scottdaok, will do18:23
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fungitchaypo: it makes at least every one of us who spend our valuable time running git.o.o sad, yes18:24
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scottdaclarkb: https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/200026618:28
scottdathanks18:28
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openstackgerritMerged openstack-infra/project-config: Make `networking-midonet` tempest test vote  https://review.openstack.org/18256018:30
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clarkbscottda: that change doesn't show up in a grep of the gerrit logs, usually when the bug update scripts fails it tracebacks, so I think that script ran "successfully" at least as far as gerrit was concerned18:32
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clarkbscottda: so likely an issue in the script or with launchpad18:33
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openstackgerritMerged openstack-infra/tripleo-ci: Replace ci.o.o links with docs.o.o/infra  https://review.openstack.org/18330618:34
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scottdaok. Is it possible there was a gerrit restart or something similar at the time of the merge that might have cause this? Just guessing...18:35
openstackgerritMerged openstack-infra/project-config: New stackforge project: puppet-surveil  https://review.openstack.org/18316818:38
openstackgerritMerged openstack-infra/project-config: Surveil ACL: pushSignedTag requires surveil-release  https://review.openstack.org/18317018:38
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clarkbscottda: I don't think so, I expect there to be a logic bug somewhere18:42
clarkbwe haven't restarted gerrit for a while18:42
openstackgerritMerged openstack-infra/project-config: Grant sahara-ci group permissions to verify all sahara repos  https://review.openstack.org/18198818:42
anteayayay for not having to restart gerrit in a while18:42
openstackgerritMerged openstack-infra/project-config: Add non-voting coverage job to sahara check pipeline  https://review.openstack.org/18205918:42
scottdacool. I'll stop with my wild guesses now.18:42
flip214clarkb: perhaps I'm just unlucky, but I see quite a few CI runs give FAILURE because the devstack setup didn't work out - "hash checksum mismatch", pip failures, and other transient things.18:43
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flip214shouldn't such things be retried, instead of failing the (completely unrelated) commit?18:44
anteayaflip214: have you a url for a patch where you see this?18:44
tchaypoAre we running the meeting this week?18:45
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anteayatchaypo: most meetings are cancelled this week18:45
anteayaincluding the infra meeting18:45
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flip214anteaya: here's a "git call failed: [git clone' git://git.openstack.org/openstack/nova.git '/opt/stack/nova]'" http://144.76.193.39/ci-artifacts/178573/5/Devstack-Standalone-ISER-ISCSI-PROTOCOL/console.log.gz18:47
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anteayathis log is from almost 2 weeks ago18:48
anteayahave you got something recent?18:48
anteayahave you a url for the patch where the above log was a comment?18:49
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flip214anteaya: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/178573/ had the "apt-get update" problem.18:51
flip214but I can't find it anymore, some of the test results give me a 404.18:51
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flip214and I didn't try it again because I wanted to ask a few points here in YVR.18:51
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anteayaif the test results are less than 1 month old and give you a 404, I need to know which accounts are in taht situation, all accounts have to have 1 month of logs18:52
anteayaflip214: asking points of view are great18:52
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flip214http://logs.openstack.org/73/178573/5/check/check-grenade-dsvm/c8f5530/logs/grenade.sh.txt.gz has a  die 66 '[Fail] Couldn'\''t ping server'18:53
flip214anteaya: are you here in YVR?18:53
anteayayes18:53
anteayadevstack setup fails for multiple reasons18:54
anteayaincluding not being able to clone repos and other things18:54
anteayawe have no 'one size fixes all' for this issue for third party cis18:54
anteayathis actually was the motivation for the 'toggle ci' button in the gerrit gui18:55
anteayaso that comments of failures which need to be ignored can be hidden18:55
anteayadoes that make sense18:55
flip214anteaya: 404 is with "CloudByte CI check" for the above gerrit review18:55
flip214anteaya: TBH, I wouldn't even ALLOW to report a failure if something that is not related to the change causes the problem.18:56
openstackgerritMerged openstack-dev/pbr: Update hacking to 0.10.x series  https://review.openstack.org/18429018:56
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flip214but to determine what is related is hard.18:56
flip214may I meet you after lunch, to go through a few points?18:56
anteayaI confirm the May 7th logs from cloudbyte ci 404s for me18:56
flip214for example at the tables around 219?18:57
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anteayawe can try that sure18:57
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jeblairpbx 6000 is open to the func testing session18:58
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flip214thanks a lot, will be there from 1:30 on. The guy with the red backpack.18:58
clarkbputting the etherpad for the session on the etherpad of jeblair's list18:58
jeblairclarkb: oh thx forgot about that :)18:59
clarkbjeblair: the next one and the js one don't have an etherpad on the wiki yet but will populate those that do18:59
anteayaflip214: I'm female and have a bright orange shirt today18:59
anteayaflip214: after lunch is a bit vague, can we select a time?19:00
jeblairclarkb: oh hrm.  thanks.19:00
anteayaclarkb: what is the etherpad of jeblair's list?19:00
clarkbanteaya: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/yvr-infra19:00
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jeblairanteaya: and is in channel topic19:01
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anteayaah the bridge etherpad19:01
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clarkbI was watching etherpad during the first set of sessions too, slightly worried about memory use but its not gone crazy so hopefully we are ok19:01
clarkbotherwise it looks happy19:01
anteayajeblair: I found that in the channel topic, thank you19:01
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anteayayay for happy etherpads19:02
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anteayaflip214: you said 1:30 sorry I missed it the first time19:03
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BobBallI'm struggling with pip... Trying to install my package (which depends on pyrax, which depends on a bunch of other things inclubing PBR) while respecting the already-installed components, where oslo depends on PBR != 1.0 but the pip install in a new virtualenv installs PBR 1.019:07
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BobBallTried to pip install -r with my requirments + global-requirements but they both reference paramiko as top level requirements which pip doesn't like19:08
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anteayaBobBall: not ignoring you but we are all in sessions, including clarkb, expect a lag in getting a reply that is useful19:09
BobBallof course19:09
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anteayathanks19:10
fungietherpad.o.o has been surprisingly solid so far19:11
flip214anteaya: no problem, thanks for helping, will see you then!19:11
anteayaflip214: yay19:11
anteayaflip214: sounds good, thanks19:11
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anteayafungi: the first yay was for solid etherpad.o.o19:11
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openstackgerritMerged openstack-infra/project-config: Add functional test job for cinderclient  https://review.openstack.org/18252819:12
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openstackgerritMerged openstack-infra/puppet-diskimage_builder: Replace ci.o.o links with docs.o.o/infra  https://review.openstack.org/18325119:14
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openstackgerritMerged openstack-infra/puppet-openstackci: Replace ci.o.o links with docs.o.o/infra  https://review.openstack.org/18327819:16
openstackgerritMerged openstack-infra/project-config: Added create permission to release group for project nova-solver-scheduler  https://review.openstack.org/18316719:16
openstackgerritMerged openstack-infra/project-config: Update networking-ovn job  https://review.openstack.org/18310019:16
tchaypoBobBall: FWIW, anything in the requirements.txt will override any refernces to the same name later on19:18
tchaypoBobBall: but it’s not clear to me what your problem is exactly, so I’m not sure if that’s helpful19:19
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openstackgerritAndrea Frittoli  proposed openstack-infra/elastic-recheck: Add query for bug 1456771  https://review.openstack.org/18431319:22
openstackbug 1456771 in OpenStack Compute (nova) "Failure prepping block device in the gate" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/145677119:22
BobBallif I have pip install -r openstack-citrix-ci/requirements.txt -r /opt/requirements/global-requirements.txt pip complains about a duplicate reference to paramiko as it is in both requirements files (but versions do exist that satisfy both)19:22
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asselinanyone want to recommend an irc app for android?19:29
lifelessBobBall: yes, don't do that. Ok, why were you doing that ?19:29
clarkbasselin: I use connectbot to ssh to where I have weechat running in screen19:29
anteayamordred: have some irc android app suggestions for asselin?19:29
clarkbasselin: andchat is barely useable19:29
clarkbbut give it a go if looking for native application19:30
BobBall*grin* I need a new pacakge installed for my 3rd party CI to upload some logs to swift - it depends on pyrax which depends on python-novaclient which depends on PBR.  If I install in a virtualenv I get PBR 1.0 which conflicts with packages installed outside of the virtualenv19:30
clarkbBobBall: we do it without pyrax and the script is available19:31
BobBallI've tried various combinations of using site pacakges or not and installing different things for the requirements but can't figure out the requirement that works :(19:31
clarkbBobBall: you may want to look into use our script19:31
BobBalluploading to swift using your scripts doesn't support setting the encoding-type which means the logs aren't useful for downloading19:31
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BobBallNeed a change in swift middleware to enable that19:32
fungii can't imagine that would be tough to add19:32
clarkbBobBall: it should set the encoding type just fine19:32
BobBallit sends content type yes but doesn't pass the encoding type through19:32
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tchaypoBobBall: when you say that it “conflicts” - what form does the conflict take?19:33
clarkbhrm and you want to host directly from swift? thats probably where my disconnect is, we pass it through apache19:33
BobBallAnyway; my use of pyrax to upload to swift has been working fine until yesterday - when I assume that something was released?19:33
clarkbbut ya adding it should be simple19:33
tchaypois the problem just that you would prefer to have the same version everywhere?19:33
tchaypoyes, 1.0.0 was released yesterday :)19:33
clarkb* pbr 1.0.019:33
BobBall*grin*19:33
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BobBalltchaypo: http://paste.openstack.org/show/228506/19:36
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BobBalltchaypo: Longer paste at http://paste.openstack.org/show/228508/ showing PBR being installed.  I assumed that I could fix it by using the site packages however doing so I get a different error with requests versions19:38
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tchaypoBobBall: yuck.19:40
BobBallYuck with what I'm doing or what's happening?19:40
tchaypowhat’s happening :)19:40
tchaypoalso for pip not doing dependency resolution..19:40
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BobBallAh ok.  Shame.  I was hoping I was doing something obviously rubbish.19:40
tchaypohttps://github.com/pypa/pip/issues/98819:40
tchaypothere’s a thread on -dev - http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-May/064362.html19:42
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asselin_Clarkb thanks19:43
tchaypobut I don’t think that’s exactly the same as what you’re seeing19:43
BobBallMy head hurts from pip...19:43
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tchaypoaccording to the longer paste you provided19:44
tchaypoit looks like the requirements are coming from from -r openstack-citrix-ci/requirements.txt19:44
tchaypoas a quick hack - could you try adding “pbr<1.0.0” as the very first line of that file?19:44
BobBallyup19:44
BobBallOhhh - simple.  Why didn't I think of that.19:44
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tchaypobecause you assume pip will do something sensible?19:44
asselinBobBall, flip214 anteaya some of us will meet in caf near entrance around 119:45
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tchaypoI’m not certain if it’s going to work, but I think it’s worth trying :)19:45
anteayaasselin: working lunch, okay let's do so19:45
asselinfrom krtaylor: "I'll try to get a table between the main doors and the food service, in the front of the lunch hall on the lowest level."19:46
tchaypoActually looking further down the log19:46
tchaypofrom python-novaclient>=2.13.0->pyrax->-r openstack-citrix-ci/requirements.txt (line 5)19:46
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clarkbsdague: dtroyer if you get a moment, looks like devstack renamed/moved some functions? http://logs.openstack.org/98/178398/1/experimental/check-tempest-dsvm-neutron-multinode-full/c93ab05/console.html.gz#_2015-04-28_21_23_08_28219:46
tchayposo putting pbr above the existing line 5 should be sufficient19:46
clarkbbut no rush I am going to get lucnh now as are you I expect19:47
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BobBallSuccessfully installed Babel-1.3 PrettyTable-0.7.2 ecdsa-0.13 iso8601-0.1.10 keyring-5.3 mock-1.0.1 msgpack-python-0.4.6 netaddr-0.7.14 netifaces-0.10.4 os-diskconfig-python-novaclient-ext-0.1.2 os-networksv2-python-novaclient-ext-0.25 os-virtual-interfacesv2-python-novaclient-ext-0.19 oslo.config-1.11.0 oslo.i18n-1.6.0 oslo.serialization-1.5.0 oslo.utils-1.5.0 paramiko-1.15.2 pbr-0.11.0 pycrypto-2.3 pygerrit-0.2.4 pyrax-1.9.4 python-k19:48
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BobBallBetter19:48
BobBallw00t19:49
BobBallThat worked19:50
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BobBallgood for short term fix19:50
BobBallthanks.19:50
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flip214anteaya: so you're downstairs now? just so that I'm not waiting up here.20:09
asselin_flip214: we're in the caf20:10
asselin_We doesn't include anteaya20:11
flip214asselin_: I'll try to find you... southwest corner, right?20:11
flip214hrmpf.20:11
asselin_Near entrance and first coffee station20:11
flip214in front of the superuser ads?20:11
flip214look, can you just paste the exact coordinates, please?  ;P20:12
ekarlsowhat's a way to convert the uuid of a tenant without - to one with - ?20:13
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flip214anteaya: and while I'm ranting about other people's CI, http://publiclogs.emc.com/vmax_ostack/EMC_VMAX_ISCSI/519/console.html says Could not resolve host: git.openstack.org20:14
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flip214Honestly, I've got a feeling that these CI is much too fragile. Much too many points that can go wrong, and so the probability that *something* goes wrong is getting nearer and nearer to 1.020:15
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dtroyerclarkb: I'm not sure what is going on there yet, the file appears to be in place at http://logs.openstack.org/98/178398/1/experimental/check-tempest-dsvm-neutron-multinode-full/c93ab05/console.html.gz#_2015-04-28_21_22_58_02820:29
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mordredasselin_: I use weechat on my phone20:34
flip214anteaya: I guess you're not coming up to 219 anymore, so I'll go down now.20:37
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haypolifeless, tchaypo : hum, i see pbr 1.0 error in glance_store tests: http://logs.openstack.org/04/184304/1/check/gate-glance-python27/a9278fa/testr_results.html.gz20:40
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dstuffto.O20:58
dstufftwhat in the world is the openstack gates doing that hits PyPI's search20:58
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clarkbusing pip?20:59
jeblairsdk session online21:00
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clarkbjeblair: I am on the bridge, thanks21:00
jeblairclarkb: and i linked the etherpad in the other etherpad21:00
clarkbawesome21:00
fungialso someone just tipped me off, at lunch, cffi 1.0.0 today21:00
fungiso... fun!21:00
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clarkbfungi: exciting21:01
clarkbI can probably poke at that if necessary21:01
openstackgerritIlya Shakhat proposed openstack-dev/pbr: Remove self.pre_run calls in packaging.py  https://review.openstack.org/18427321:01
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nibzjeblair: wow this just totally works, i am impressed21:02
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dstufftclarkb: pip install doesn't use PyPI's search21:03
dstufftclarkb: pip search does though21:03
funginibz: the pbx?21:03
clarkbdstufft: where are you seeing pypi's search in use?21:03
nibzfungi: yes21:03
dstufftclarkb: dunno, someone raised a ticket on pypi saying they were21:03
dstufftclarkb: https://bitbucket.org/pypa/pypi/issue/286/search-functionality-broken21:03
dstufftclarkb: they said the bug affected nova gates21:03
obulpathiIt affected Poppy21:04
dstufft(to be clear, I don't think it's wrong or anything, I'm just curious what you're using it for)21:04
obulpathihttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/181119/21:04
funginibz: it's worked for a very, very long time... just hardly ever gets used. but this was the primary purpose for which it was deployed (remote design summit participation)21:04
clarkbdstufft: I have no idea where it is being used and do not think we use it21:04
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clarkbobulpathi: can you expand on that? I am not immediately seeing how that is realted21:05
obulpathifungi: clarkb: Poppys (OpenStack CDN) build is breaking because of this21:05
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obulpathiwe use a package called taskflow21:06
clarkbobulpathi: where is it breaking?21:06
obulpathiand for some reason, it does not get installed21:06
clarkbthe change you have linked appears to have failed for valid test reasons21:06
clarkbobulpathi: where?21:06
obulpathihttp://logs.openstack.org/42/183642/1/check/gate-poppy-python27/4bc91a4/console.html21:06
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obulpathiif yo usearch for taskflow21:06
obulpathiERROR: Failure: ImportError (No module named taskflow.jobs)21:06
clarkb(thats a different change fwiw)21:06
obulpathiok21:07
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obulpathilet me check it21:07
obulpathithanks clarkb21:07
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lifelesso/21:08
clarkbalso these requirements are almost unreadable21:08
haypolifeless: hey, did you see https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1456800 ? pbr 1.0 issue in glance21:08
openstackLaunchpad bug 1456800 in Glance "issue with pbr 1.0 release" [Undecided,New]21:08
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clarkbobulpathi: a quick check doesn't show you installing taskflow via your requirements21:08
lifelesshaypo: no, was eating21:09
obulpathiyes,21:09
haypolifeless: wait, what? you eat instead of fixing all bugs? :-D21:09
obulpathiin the module installation list taskflow was not being installed21:09
clarkbobulpathi: so this is completely different than any project even though pbr is in use :(21:09
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lifelesshaypo: thats a glance bug21:09
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clarkbobulpathi: and reading the tox.ini I am certain taskflow isn't being installed and thats due to requirements not pypi21:10
obulpathiclarkb: we have taskflow in requirements21:10
obulpathibut it is not getting installed21:10
clarkbobulpathi: you don't21:10
haypolifeless: could you please help me to understand which dependency requires pbr < 1.0? glance installs "pbr>=0.11,<2.0"21:10
clarkbobulpathi: there is a file with that in the name but I am not seeing where it gets included21:10
obulpathihmm .. interesting21:11
clarkbobulpathi: if you can show the require path that would be helpful to me but I am not seeing it21:11
lifelesshaypo: I've commented in the bug21:11
clarkbobulpathi: also I would highl recommend undoing all of this special sauce, its just complexiy that prevents debugging in situations like this21:11
obulpathiclarkb: now that you say, I see that the file is not included in requiremetns.txt21:11
clarkbobulpathi: the deps are almost undecipherable21:11
lifelesshaypo: remember that list of Trying: - oslo.db etc releases constrain pbr to < 1.021:11
obulpathiclarkb: have all requiremetns in just one file?21:12
lifelessand I don't think dhellmann would want to release the world to work around this in the short term.21:12
clarkbobulpathi: yes21:12
clarkbobulpathi: so that you can actually see and understand what you require21:12
haypolifeless: i'm unable to reproduce the issue locally :-(21:12
obulpathicool ... let me talk to the other people in project21:12
clarkbobulpathi: and so that you can trim your setup.py down to the standard pbr setup.py21:12
haypolifeless: should i modify glance to install pbr < 1.0 ?21:13
lifelesshaypo: no, the test should be changed, IMO.21:13
obulpathiclarkb: ok. thanks for your help :)21:13
tchaypohaypo: thanks21:14
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tchaypohaypo: looking into that - the only error I’m seeing there is that something still has a dependency on pbr<1.0.021:15
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tchaypohaypo: but i see this has already been discussed21:16
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lifelessmorganfainberg: there is a requests disk cache module21:18
haypolifeless, tchaypo : i just wrote https://review.openstack.org/184326 for glance21:18
lifelesscool21:19
morganfainberglifeless: yeah that was a thought.21:19
morganfainberglifeless: that one or dogpile w/ file backing21:20
morganfainberglifeless: both are good options to look at21:20
dstufftpip uses cachecontrol for requests21:20
dstufftwe've had minimal problems21:20
lifelessmorganfainberg: maybe, but cachecontrol for requests is better as you'll have more folk familiar with it21:20
lifeless:)21:20
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dstufft(pip using something generally means it gets used in the strangest of ways)21:20
morganfainberglifeless :)_21:20
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morganfainberglifeless: yep lots of options.21:21
dstufftthat being said, we do have a bug via pylockfile >:[21:21
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ekarlsoman ,searching eavesdrop logs using elasticsearch seems fun :)21:22
fungicachecontrol relies strictly on http headers though, sounds like?21:23
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openstackgerritJoe Gordon proposed openstack-dev/hacking: Fix a typo  https://review.openstack.org/18433121:24
openstackgerritJoe Gordon proposed openstack-dev/hacking: Expand depends documentation in readme  https://review.openstack.org/18433221:24
openstackgerritJoe Gordon proposed openstack-dev/hacking: Document the reasoning behind general hacking rules  https://review.openstack.org/18433321:24
fungiflip214: i'm hearing that you're looking for documentation on writing jobs to test your cinder driver. do you have any more specific details on what you're trying to accomplish?21:25
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jogopushing out hacking 0.9.6 to fix 0.9 branch21:30
flip214fungi: can I talk to you in person?21:30
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flip214anteaya: I don't know why, but somehow our talk digressed into a "I don't want to" rant that was *not* what I wanted to talk to you about.21:30
flip214What I originally wanted was to sit down with you and write down what's necessary to go forward.21:31
anteayaflip214: okay we can try again21:31
flip214sorry if that came across in some wrong way.21:31
anteayaah great, I think perhaps including fungi would be a good idea here21:31
openstackgerritMerged openstack/requirements: Add sphinxcontrib-blockdiag  https://review.openstack.org/18288021:31
flip214I guess you're right and I vented some frustration at you, perhaps because you're a listener from -infra ;/21:31
flip214where are you two?21:32
clarkbjogo: cool, let me know if there are things I can help with that stuff21:32
anteayaflip214: I'm in the javascript talk, fungi is in the sdk talk21:32
dstufftfungi: cache control by default relies on http headers21:32
anteayafungi: some context: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/178573/21:32
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dstufftfungi: there's the ability to have heuristics to determine caching not via headers21:32
flip214anythink planned afterwards?21:32
flip214*anything21:32
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dstufftfungi: https://cachecontrol.readthedocs.org/en/latest/custom_heuristics.html21:33
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flip214or when do you have time?21:33
anteayaflip214: yes, and venting is good - I totally understand needing to vent especially around testing drivers21:33
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anteayaI do try to listen, the fortunate part is I am one of a team of listeners, or at least we try to21:34
fungiflip214: possibly. i don't get a lot of breaks between design sessions, and a lot of those are spent checking in to make sure we haven't overwhelmed clarkb by leaving him to deal with stuff by himself ;)21:34
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fungiflip214: but i can definitely get you links to documentation and explain any questions you have21:34
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clarkbfungi: things have gone well so far (now I have done it)21:34
fungii definitely don't have free time to run a tutorial though21:35
fungiclarkb: awesome--thanks for holding down the fort21:35
clarkbetherpad seems to continue to be happy21:35
openstackgerritMerged openstack-dev/hacking: Fix a typo  https://review.openstack.org/18433121:35
fungiyeah, i'm pleasantly surprised21:35
anteayaclarkb: \o/21:35
clarkbI got jenkins out of the way yesterday, so only other things have been image builds and pbr release21:35
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fungidstufft: thanks--we were talking about caching solutions for the openstackclient future designs, so cachecontrol came up as a possible option there21:36
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flip214fungi: so, when/where can I take some minutes of your time? tomorrow during lunch? you eat and talk, and I write?21:37
dstufftfungi: fwiw the maintainer of cachecontrol is now employed by rackspace21:37
dstufftI forget what he's doing there21:37
dstufftprobably something openstack-y21:37
dstuffthe's also awesome and was really great when we were integrating cachecontrol into pip21:37
clarkbfungi: jeblair with image uilds done https://review.openstack.org/#/c/184111/ _should_ be safe but I totally understand if you don't want to find out midsummit21:38
openstackgerritMerged openstack-infra/devstack-gate: Add Heat to features.yaml  https://review.openstack.org/18312621:38
dstufftoh hey elarson is in here too :D21:38
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tchayposo if we wanted to build something like http://jogo.github.io/gate/ for the stable checks21:42
tchaypowell, we can use the periodic-stable jobs perhaps, but other than that I can’t see anything in graphite (or by extension, anything in what zuul sends to statsd) that shows if a rest ran on master or on stable/kilo or stable/juno..21:42
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clarkbtchaypo: correct statsd does not distinguish by branch21:43
clarkbits by job21:43
clarkband by zuul pipeline21:43
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tchaypowould it be useful for us to be able to distinguish by branch?21:44
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tchaypoit seems hard to track tests on stable branches without it21:44
clarkbI am not sure it would be, there is a reason we mix them together into the same pipeline, we have to in order to do the upgrade test properly21:44
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clarkbso kilo vs master in gate-tempest-dsvm-full doens't seem like a super important distinction to me21:44
tchaypo*changes rooms*21:45
clarkbtchaypo: its just as easy as master? are you trying to answer specific questions?21:45
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sigmavirus24dhellmann: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/179877/21:46
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fungidstufft: yep, i was just getting more details from sigmavirus24 about that during the break21:47
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tchaypoclarkb: how about I step back a bit21:49
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dstufftoh hey21:52
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dstufftcffi 1.0 final released21:52
sigmavirus24hi21:52
dstufftif you modify cryptography to use the new APIs, cryptography imports in 0.017s instead of 1.070s and uses 25MB less memory21:52
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lifelessnice21:53
sigmavirus24dstufft: that's awesome21:53
haypodstufft: "25MB less memory" wow cool21:53
clarkbdstufft: so thats something that pyopenssl will need to do?21:53
dstufftclarkb: No, PyOpenSSL just imports from cryptography, once cryptography releases a version that uses the new APIs it'll just take advantage of it21:53
haypothere was a patch to restrict pyopenssl to < 0.14 to avoid the cffi memory issue21:53
clarkbdstufft: gotcha21:54
dstufftreaperhulk says he's hoping to have a PR up to cryptography to switch to the new APIs later this evening21:54
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clarkbyou mean new apis from cffi not new apis in cryptography? I think I grok now21:55
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dstufftclarkb: yes21:55
dstufftthe old APIs still exist in cffi 1.0 and they still act as they did in cffi < 1.021:56
clarkbgotcha21:56
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dstufftit should also remove the explodey thing21:56
dstufftif you're using the new ones21:56
dstufftsince with the new ones cffi just outputs a .so that you import directly using the standard old Python import system21:57
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tchaypolifeless: http://www.theagileelephant.com/dunbars-numbers-and-organising-for-social-business/ and http://www.socialsciencespace.com/2013/11/robin-dunbar-on-dunbar-numbers/ talk about the levels; dunbar describes the “15” level as being roughly “close friends"21:59
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clarkbtchaypo: the point I was trying to make is that the jobs are jobs centric not branch centric because we run the same jobs against different branches, so if you want to look at branch specific things you likely need different data entirely22:00
openstackgerritfumihiko kakuma proposed openstack-infra/puppet-jenkins: Add retry configuration for jenkins-jobs command  https://review.openstack.org/18286822:00
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clarkbtchaypo: and doing that is important to cover the upgrade cases22:01
clarkb(so it is intentional)22:01
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elarsondstufft: I'm everywhere22:04
tchaypoclarkb: before i got distracted by changing rooms I was about to go back to something jogo said a few weeks ago.. but now I’m sitting next to him, so I’ll try to chat to him directly22:05
elarsondstufft: you wouldn't happen to know how to load a .a via cffi would you?22:05
dstufftelarson: well you wouldn't load a .a, you could link against a .a though22:06
lifelesstchaypo: thank you22:06
lifelesstchaypo: I was just looking for tht :)22:06
dstufftelarson: and it'd be, um however you'd do it in distutils I think. Not sure off the top of my head22:06
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lifelesselarson: I suspect you can't, since its not a shared library, and cffi isn't a linker22:07
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fungiyeah, i was lunching with reaperhulk and he mentioned it as well (he was the one who pointed me to the new cffi release i mentioned earlier)22:08
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elarsonlifeless, dstufft: ok, so it sounds like I might need a little bit C then. thanks!22:09
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lifelesselarson: erm wy ?22:09
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elarsonlifeless: I wanted a good reason to try cffi and I'm interested in a http/2 server so I thought it might be fun to do something with h2o as a library with py thon22:10
elarsons/py thon/python22:10
lifelesselarson: h2o should build a so, no?22:10
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clarkbthe summit generates ~1mbps of etherpad data22:19
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anteayaclarkb: yay us22:20
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flip214anteaya resp. fungi: sorry for asking again, but when can I get a few minutes of your time?22:29
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fungiflip214: not sure. my breaks are mostly spent with continuance of design discussions followed by dashing to the next session22:32
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jeblairclarkb: looks like i'm off duty for the next hour22:32
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clarkbjeblair: yup gonna hop off the pbx server for a bit myself, should be back for your next session22:32
clarkbjeblair: thanks for doing this22:32
zaroclarkb: gah, did you notice this? https://gerrit-review.googlesource.com/#/c/67973/22:33
jeblairclarkb: okay; np -- see anything in the next slot you need?22:33
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fungii'm planning to head to the security ops session next22:33
clarkbzaro: no, but those tests are broken if that breaks them22:33
lifelessdstufft: I can't make heads or tails of that bug claiming nova jobs use pip search22:33
zaroclarkb: agree, i'll need to try again with fixes to those tests.22:34
dstufftlifeless: *shrug* I'm not worried about it, was just confused what in the world it would be using search for22:34
dstufftlifeless: in other news, the new search did break pip's tests D:22:34
openstackgerritMerged openstack-dev/pbr: Remove self.pre_run calls in packaging.py  https://review.openstack.org/18427322:34
lifelessdstufft: lol22:34
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zaroclarkb: at least we know that it is very likely to land :)22:34
flip214fungi: thanks, but I guess you'll want to participate there.22:35
clarkbzaro: its kind of amazing that they don't have CI that would catch that though22:35
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clarkbzaro: but yes good to know they generally like the idea22:35
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flip214Perhaps I'll just be in the convention center tomorrow from 0800 on, so that we can find some time before the summit, during lunch, or similar.22:35
zaropelix: yeah that needs to get in! i'll try to find time to reiew22:36
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zaropelix: would like to get these python-jenkins landed then do a release, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/184114/ & https://review.openstack.org/#/c/184119/22:38
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lifelessok pbr 1.0.1 is up22:39
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lifelessthat should fix the folk hitting setup.py testr issues22:40
anteayaclarkb: this etherpad is having an issue: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/liberty-neutron-gaps-concerns22:40
clarkbfungi: ^ you looking at it too?22:40
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clarkblooks like etherpad may have restarted22:41
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clarkbanteaya: pad is there now, looks like it restarted, not sure if fungi did that (I didnt)22:41
anteayaokay thanks22:41
anteayait is continually reconnecting, hopefully it levels out22:41
anteayanope still reconnecting22:41
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anteayais it just connecting and reconnecting22:42
anteayanonstop22:42
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Clintmore than one pad seems to be affected22:42
Guest38176true ^22:42
mordredyah - still breakingish22:42
flip214anteaya: I get22:42
flip214An error occured while loading the pad22:42
flip214Error: The module at "ep_etherpad-lite/static/js/colorutils" does not exist. in https://etherpad.openstack.org/static/js/require-kernel.js (line 596)22:42
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anteayaClint: what is the url of the etherpad you are having an issue with22:43
clarkbanteaya: Clint I don't think its a per etherpad issue22:43
crinkleI'm having trouble with etherpad.o.o itself22:43
Hunneryeah, global22:43
clarkbalso when it restarted the logs don't show any reason for why22:43
clarkbthere is currently no service running at all22:43
clarkband its back22:43
crinkle\o/22:43
ClintAn error occured while loading the pad22:44
ClintReferenceError: require is not defined22:44
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ClintTypeError: pad.collabClient is null in https://etherpad.openstack.org/javascripts/lib/ep_etherpad-lite/static/js/pad.js?callback=require.define at line 253'22:44
anteayastill connecting and reconnecting22:44
clarkblooks like possibly a DB issue?22:45
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anteaya:(22:45
anteayawhat are you seeing?22:45
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fungiclarkb: my battery died in the last session so just catching back up now that i have power again22:45
clarkbSyntaxError: Unexpected end of input at Socket.<anonymous> (/opt/etherpad-lite/etherpad-lite/src/node_modules/ueberDB/node_modules/mysql/lib/Connection.js:82:28)22:45
flip214anteaya: try to force-refresh in your browser.22:45
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clarkband its dead again22:46
anteayaflip214: 50322:46
anteayayeah22:46
anteaya:(22:46
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clarkbso I think we are in a looping break it loop22:46
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fungiyeah, dmesg says it keeps bouncing over and over22:46
clarkband it seems that the mysql connection seems to explode22:46
Clintit's ooming?22:47
anteayaclarkb: do we need someone from rax to check their end?22:47
clarkbanteaya: not yet22:47
clarkbClint: I don't think so22:47
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anteayakk22:47
fungiif it's oom, it's not kernel oom22:47
clarkbdmesg is not showing OOM ya22:48
clarkbhttp://paste.openstack.org/show/228687/22:48
clarkbthat appears to be what is breaking it22:48
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fungino idea if node.js does its own memory management and kills processes which exceed it but seems unlikely22:48
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clarkbyou can see it does a graceful shutdown right after that error22:48
ClintJSON-PROBLEM sounds menacing22:49
fungior i could as soon as a i get a browser running again22:49
clarkbfung wget http://paste.openstack.org/raw/228687/22:49
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fungii got it up and running now22:50
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fungiand yeah, that's ugly22:50
clarkbits possible that the data in the db is in a way that it doesn't like it?22:51
Clintis that json truncated in the error output or in the db?22:51
clarkbbut it basically hits that and shuts down22:51
clarkbClint: unknown22:51
flip214anteaya: a 503 is better than a javascript loop. much more environmentally friendly, for example ;=22:51
clarkbgiven its an unexpected end of input would not be surprised its that way in the db22:52
* clarkb fires up a mysql client and pretends to understand this apps schema22:52
fungii was going to say i'll see if i can find that row, but better if someone not on conference wireless did that22:52
clarkbtables in etherpad-lite: store, describe store; key, value22:53
Clinthaha22:53
clarkbso I guess I am looking for value like something in that json?22:53
clarkbfungi: ^ I think you have spent time in this db, is that what you would do?22:54
Clint"Service Catalog Standardization" should be somewhat unusual22:54
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gothicmindfoodclarkb: not sure if it helps, but timrc has done some Gozer etherpad rescue from what I remember, too. he might know things(tm)22:54
flip214clarkb: that schema makes for a much faster "drop database" ;/22:54
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fungiclarkb: that's what i would look for, yes22:55
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fungiand yes, etherpad uses mysql as if it were bdb22:55
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fungi(or insert hipster kv store implementation here for those too young to remember bdb)22:56
clarkbselect * from store where value like "Service Catalog Standardization"; that isn't returning very quickly22:56
fungiit won't. the number of rows is insane22:56
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Clinti can't imagine you have an index on value22:56
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fungiit prefixes the key names to do some typing22:57
fungibut i don't recall the particular key namespacing scheme it uses22:57
Clintdoes mysql like work without wildcards?22:57
clarkbfungi: sounds like they should use >1 table :P22:58
fungiuh, yeah22:58
clarkbClint: I have no idea22:59
jeblairi think it's restarting22:59
jeblairin a loop22:59
clarkbjeblair: yup, its hitting the error at http://paste.openstack.org/raw/228687/ then restarting22:59
jeblairat least, tailing the (non-timestamped) upstart logs for it, it is outputting the same thing periodically23:00
fungiwhere key like "pad:%" might help23:00
fungithat at least limits it to pad content rows23:00
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jeblairgot it; i won't slow down mysql anymore by doing my own thing; waiting for results from clarkb23:01
jeblairclarkb, Clint: right you would need to put % before and after that substring23:02
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clarkbselect * from store where key like "pad:%" AND value like "%Service Catalog Standardization%"; is an error /me learns him a sql23:02
jeblairwe have the pad name; can we get from that to a key? or reduced set of keys?23:03
Clinthttps://appolo85.wordpress.com/2010/03/22/first-steps-understanding-etherpad/23:03
fungioh, the pad name is in there? then it's key="pad:PadName"23:03
Clint^ not useful but claims 43 tables23:03
clarkbClint: ya thats the old schema23:03
Clintso they improved it into single k-v table, great23:04
fungiClint: etherpad was replaced by something called etherpad-lite (rewritten in node.js) which was later renamed to etherpad23:04
Clintaha23:04
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flip214 well, at least it still uses 2 fields in that table. could as well be one field that has the key as prefix...23:04
jeblairclarkb: quote 'key'23:04
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jeblairmysql> select count(*) from store where 'key'="pad:service-catalog-cross-project-vancouver";23:05
Guest38176with backquotes?23:05
jeblairthat's 0 :(23:05
fungioh, hah. key is a reserved name23:05
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mgagneWHERE `key`='blah'23:05
jeblairyeah backquotes sorry23:05
jeblairmysql> select count(*) from store where `key`="pad:service-catalog-cross-project-vancouver";23:06
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jeblairthat returns 123:06
fungiselect store.value from store where store.key="pad:service-catalog-cross-project-vancouver";23:06
clarkbthats it23:06
fungier, yeah23:06
clarkband it is indeed bad json23:06
jeblairwant to save a copy and delete row?23:06
clarkbjeblair: ya not sure we can do much else23:06
Clintso the value is the entire pad?23:06
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clarkbClint: ya23:07
fungiyeah, we should stop etherpad solidly, dump the db, delete that row, then try starting it again23:07
jeblairclarkb: you want to do that ^ ?23:07
clarkbor rather than delete the row replace it with { atext: {text: "" }} ?23:07
clarkbya stopping etherpad service now23:07
jeblairclarkb: i lean toward delete row23:07
jogoclarkb: I guess just ping me if it breaks. Next step is to unbreak the 0.8.x gate23:07
fungii'll also point out i've not had great luck altering pad content in the past, but it's definitely the next thing i'd try23:08
clarkbjogo: ok23:08
clarkbjeblair: ok too23:08
jogotchaypo: see the source code, its stupidly simple23:08
jogotchaypo: https://github.com/jogo/jogo.github.io/tree/master/gate23:08
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jogotchaypo: and play with http://graphite.openstack.org/23:08
clarkbservice is stopped, mysqldump is running23:09
clarkbDELETE FROM store WHERE `key`="pad:service-catalog-cross-project-vancouver"; will be run post db dump23:10
dstufftwho releases pylockfile? That's an oslo lib, is that dhellmann ?23:10
jeblairclarkb: lgtm23:10
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fungialso that pad was for a session which just ended so i don't think anyone's still editing it. we can try dumping the cleaned-up content into a new pad once this is resolved and give annegentle a heads up23:11
fungi(well, i know for sure nobody's editing it now, but point being i doubt anyone will be trying to continue to edit it once we bring ep back up)23:11
tchaypojogo: yeah, that’s the easy part23:12
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tchaypojogo: the hard part (at the moment) is that the only useful data i see in graphite is the periodic checks23:12
jogotchaypo: yup that is the hard part23:13
jeblairtchaypo: i think we still need to have zuul emit the shared change queue name in its statsd output keys23:13
jogotchaypo: or when a patch is proposed to stable23:13
bkeroclarkb: curious, how big is the resulting dumpfile?23:13
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jeblairthat's like a one-liner23:13
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clarkbbkero: gzipped its ~300something MB23:13
clarkbok dbdump is complete23:14
clarkband I need backticks above?23:14
clarkbrunning the delete now if no one objects23:14
* anteaya doesn't object23:14
* Clint doesn't object23:14
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jeblairclarkb: yes backticks.  go for it.23:15
clarkbdone 1 row affected, starting service back up again23:15
rbradfor  clarkb: backticks are only needed for reserved words in MySQL. key is a reserved word.23:15
clarkbaha!23:15
openstackgerritMikhail S Medvedev proposed openstack-infra/puppet-project_config: Allow specifying repo ref as a class parameter  https://review.openstack.org/18435323:16
clarkbservice is up I am tailing logs23:16
Clintworks for me23:16
rbradforI always propose that projects do not use reserved words so backticks can be eliminated. they are just painful.23:16
anteayaclarkb: thank you!23:16
jeblairyeah pads lgtm23:17
fungibkero: last night's mysqldump for it, uncompressed, is ~2.4gib23:17
bkerofungi: Huh, that's a decent chunk of plaintext.23:17
clarkbits almost like they committed a transaction without having properly flushed the json out to mysql23:17
anteayaclarkb: any idea what caused the bad json blob in that pad?23:17
clarkbanteaya: no23:17
clarkbanteaya: but next step for me is to look in the logs before we exploded23:17
flip214y23:17
anteayakk23:17
clarkbanteaya: hopefully I find the problem23:17
anteayaclarkb: go you!23:17
fungithough we do know it was annegentle's pad for the session before now which was the victim of the corruption23:18
jeblairalso, potential improvement to eplite: don't crash on loading invalid json23:18
clarkbok db dump is in ~root/clarkb-db-dumps if rooters want to poke at it23:18
anteayathat is something23:18
clarkbjeblair: +100023:18
tchaypojogo: jeblair: want to get together to talk about this some time this week? I’d love to take advantage of being here to get enough state in my head to be able to do something useful when I head back to the other side of the world23:18
Clintyeah, it really should handle that more gracefully23:18
jeblairand the entire value for the bad pad is in the paste23:19
fungithere's a lot of things it should handle more gracefully23:19
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jeblair(as in, the paste is not truncated)23:19
Clintclearly someone should rewrite it in erlang23:19
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clarkbjeblair: yup23:19
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jogotchaypo: works for me23:20
jeblairtchhappy to!23:20
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jeblair<sigh>tchaypo: ^23:21
jeblair(i am in a pwifi-poor spot)23:21
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jeblairi'm just going to stop typing and watch float planes.  i'm only good at one of those things.23:21
tchaypojeblair: i like watching float planes23:23
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clarkbok grepping that pad name in the logs doesn't show any other errors before we ran into that one23:23
clarkbthere is a 20 second gap between an client leaving and that happening23:23
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clarkbour best bet may be to ping the etherpad-lite maintainers, ask them what the best way to get them a 2.4GB db dump is along with the chunk of logs that covers this issue and see what they can figure out?23:24
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clarkb(seems like a very bad thing for etherpads to corrupt themselves hopefully they are interested in debugging)23:24
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clarkbsorry its only ~330MB compressed so thats less bad, we can just swift it for them or tarballs.o.o23:24
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clarkbfungi: ^23:25
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clarkbI am looking their their issue tracker now23:25
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/requirements: Add os-testr to global requirements list  https://review.openstack.org/17026823:25
clarkbhttps://github.com/ether/etherpad-lite/issues/2522 its that bug23:26
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clarkblooks like its mysql naive and breaks :(23:26
clarkbwell at least we know what caused the problem, don't use 4 byte utf8 values23:26
clarkbanteaya: ^23:26
clarkb(thats sort of a terrible thing to tell users but should get us through the summit)23:27
clarkbrbradfor: ^ seems they break all the rules :)23:27
jeblairyeah, also, please no one test that in production :)23:27
clarkbjeblair: when is your next session?23:28
jeblairclarkb: 12 min23:28
clarkbdanke /me pops out for a short bit now that fire is out23:28
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clarkbmordred: if you are around maybe we can investigate switching the character set on etherpad-dev? I assume we can change that without etherpad-lite knowing23:32
clarkbthough possible we will break the migration that they use to switch the character sets once this is fixed23:32
HunnerEmilienM: http://bloodrizer.ru/games/kittens/#23:32
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clarkbleft a comment that being able to handle that without restarting the server would be nice23:35
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jeblairback on the conf bridge23:36
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fungiclarkb: sorry, was afk dashing between sessions. reading the bug now23:37
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clarkbjeblair: and yes lets not test in production, we can use -dev if we need to23:39
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clarkbmordred: maybe you can explain why a utf8 character set that isn't actually utf8 exists23:40
fungithat is indeed a nasty bug23:41
mordredclarkb: it's because utf8 is both weird and has bugs in mysql23:41
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mordredthat's one of the things we fixed in drizzle23:42
SpamapS:(23:42
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* SpamapS is still grieving Drizzle. ;)23:42
openstackgerritDoug Hellmann proposed openstack-infra/release-tools: Make get_last_tag work on OS X  https://review.openstack.org/18435623:43
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fungii wonder whether etherpad would be happier with an actual kv store backend rather than mysql? no clue what the migration would look like though23:46
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anteayaclarkb: thank you23:47
clarkbI think we can use redis, my guess is any move like that would be done with a custom migration though23:48
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fungithough i suppose that's one place their braindead sql schema ends up being helpful23:49
clarkbthough their FAQ still recommends mysql23:49
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clarkbfungi: maybe you can ask them if that is still up to date?23:50
clarkbI am sad that we didn't catch this in the month before the usmmit, note to self create utf8 test pad on every upgrade23:50
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fungiclarkb: well, i try to limit my contact with mclear to coordinating cve requests23:51
fungibut we can ask in the bug report23:51
* fungi doesn't want to risk getting roped deeper into the ep dev community23:52
clarkb:)23:53
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fungimy grasp of javascript is insufficient to get too far into it, and my time is insufficient to solve that failing on my part ;)23:53
anteayaso 4 byte utf8 values would be chinese characters?23:53
fungianteaya: sure, or many other things23:54
anteayaother language characters?23:54
* anteaya is reading http://stackoverflow.com/questions/17680237/mysql-four-byte-chinese-characters-support23:54
fungigenerally unusual glyphs, and also less common glyphs from languages which have tons of glyphs (such as chinese)23:54
clarkbthey are "supplementary characters"23:55
anteayaah okay thank you23:55
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