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| jeblair | sdague: did you make this? http://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/developers.html#quick-reference | 00:01 |
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| jeblair | sdague: zuul change aprvd; fungi: once it merges we might want to restart to pick it up | 00:02 |
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| pleia2 | jeblair: he did, source is here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/File:Code_review.svg | 00:03 |
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| jeblair | pleia2: cool thanks | 00:04 |
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| jeblair | heh, firefox's svg rendering is not quite right (some arrows point the wrong way) | 00:04 |
| anteaya | ha ha ha | 00:05 |
| pleia2 | chrome doesn't do much better, I just download it and open with inkscape, don't bother looking at it in the browser | 00:05 |
| clarkb | jeblair: appears to happen in chromium too | 00:05 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/zuul: Fix KeyError: 'sortKey' https://review.openstack.org/138099 | 00:05 |
| jeblair | sdague, fungi: ^ | 00:05 |
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| fungi | jeblair: i'm cool with restarting zuul, though there's a pretty steady churn of activity for the moment | 02:15 |
| fungi | i can check back in a while and see if it's let up some | 02:15 |
| jamielennox | anyone know if you can do a gerrit search for outdated reviews? does it set a label or something? | 02:16 |
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| fungi | jamielennox: you can search on time ranges, if that's what you're looking for | 03:19 |
| fungi | jamielennox: see the "age" term at https://review.openstack.org/Documentation/user-search.html#_search_operators | 03:20 |
| jamielennox | fungi: i've got a couple of reviews with a +2 on them that i didn't realize were blocked because they were dependant on an outdated review | 03:20 |
| jamielennox | i couldn't find anything in gerrit docs to figure out if i could search for those cases | 03:20 |
| fungi | jamielennox: depends on what you mean by outdated i guess (the parent change has moved on and the child change wasn't rebased onto it?) | 03:21 |
| jamielennox | fungi: exactly | 03:21 |
| fungi | i don't know of a search term for that specifically, no. sorry! | 03:21 |
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| jamielennox | fungi: yea, i couldn't find anything - thanks for the help | 03:22 |
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| fungi | jamielennox: there are probably ways you could dig it out of the api with multiple dependent calls and some parsing, but that's more work than it's likely worth | 03:24 |
| pradhan_ | Hi, I am trying to understand thirdparty CI testing,Could anyone please help me on few queries like where these third party systems are hosted? How the tests are triggered on thirdparty systems? | 03:25 |
| jamielennox | fungi: yea, i was hoping for something i could bookmark - that's ok, just need to check on older reviews more | 03:25 |
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| Murad | do anybody have an idea how to do post build execution in jenkins job builder, or how to force executing builder after the job fails ? | 06:54 |
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| waynr | Murad: I think this is what you | 07:01 |
| waynr | re asking for http://ci.openstack.org/jenkins-job-builder/publishers.html#publishers.trigger-parameterized-builds | 07:01 |
| Murad | Thanks Wayn, so I can understand that there is no way to do this in same job without triggering another one? | 07:02 |
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| waynr | hmm i might misunderstand what you are asking | 07:04 |
| waynr | do you want to trigger another job as a build step of the current job? | 07:05 |
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| Murad | I just need to execute something (builder, or shell code) whether the job fails or succeeed | 07:06 |
| waynr | well a job can have multiple builders | 07:06 |
| waynr | the "builders" key on a job has as its value a list of buildes which can be any valid type of builder | 07:07 |
| Murad | yes but if a builder failed, execution will not complete | 07:07 |
| waynr | just ensure your first builder always returns success | 07:08 |
| waynr | for instance if the first builder is a shell script ensure that the last thing it does is return 0 | 07:08 |
| waynr | er, exit 0 | 07:08 |
| Murad | hmmm, can I tell the next builder that previous one failed but overriden by exit 0 ? | 07:09 |
| waynr | if the first builder is a trigger of another job configure it to not cause the current job to fail if it fails | 07:09 |
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| waynr | you can write to a parameters file and pass the parameters from that file to another job executed as a build step using http://ci.openstack.org/jenkins-job-builder/builders.html#builders.trigger-builds | 07:11 |
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| openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed openstack-infra/infra-manual: Core revier: Add +-2, approval https://review.openstack.org/138177 | 07:12 |
| waynr | it sounds like you might want some kind of conditional job execution | 07:12 |
| Murad | Thank you very much Wayn, | 07:14 |
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| Murad | your answers was very helpfull | 07:14 |
| openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed openstack-infra/infra-manual: Add WIP section to core.rst https://review.openstack.org/138163 | 07:15 |
| waynr | glad to hear it | 07:15 |
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| hyakuhei | Is there anyone around who can take a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138066 - trying to get Ephemeral PKI added to Stackforge | 09:00 |
| hyakuhei | Just needs another +2 | 09:00 |
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| AJaeger | hyakuhei, I'm around but gave already my +2 ;) The other infra cores will go over the patches as time permits | 09:05 |
| hyakuhei | Hey AJaeger yeah I appreciate you taking the time. I know everybody's busy, we're just keen to get this landed and start working on it more openly :) | 09:06 |
| AJaeger | hyakuhei, infra started a sprint yesterday for 48 hours, review will pick up again in 30 hours. Can it wait that long? | 09:07 |
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| hyakuhei | It can but I did promise folks they could start playing with it this week and there's a lag to get the other stuff, gerrit groups, bots etc working | 09:14 |
| hyakuhei | I was hoping because it's a super simply change someone could take a quick poke but if it must wait then it must wait :) | 09:14 |
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| AJaeger | hyakuhei, let's see whether SergeyLukjanov, sdague or fungi can review and approve https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138066 | 09:16 |
| hyakuhei | That would be awesome! | 09:17 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config: Attempting to add Anchor - the ephemeral PKI system to stackforge. https://review.openstack.org/138066 | 09:55 |
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| hyakuhei | Thanks guys! | 09:58 |
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| jogo | heyongli: ping | 10:19 |
| jogo | heyongli: having some PCI tests running would be great | 10:20 |
| jogo | heyongli: once you have a few tests working, we should talk about where it makes the most sense for those tests to live | 10:21 |
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| zhiyan | Hi AJaeger! quick ask: how can I verify my change on project-config is proper before i push it up for your reivew? | 12:55 |
| zhiyan | thanks | 12:55 |
| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack-infra/infra-manual: Add Project Creator's Guide section https://review.openstack.org/138094 | 12:56 |
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| AJaeger | zhiyan, you can run tox locally. Just execute all tox targets, or run simply "tox" | 13:12 |
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| anteaya | jogo: thank you | 13:54 |
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| anteaya | jogo: I don't know if you know but heyongli is the intel person charged with setting up nfv testing | 13:54 |
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| anteaya | jogo: so I am grateful for your help | 13:59 |
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| nfedotov | Hello all! Does somebody know what is going to happen with latest "account requests" in Third-party-requests mailing list? There is review "Third-party self service account creation - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/137240". | 14:05 |
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| nfedotov | I mean. Will somebody behind the Third-party-requests create accounts or we should wait until the review is merged? | 14:10 |
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| openstackgerrit | Nikita Konovalov proposed openstack-infra/python-storyboardclient: Initial Cookiecutter Commit. https://review.openstack.org/138090 | 14:15 |
| fungi | nfedotov: thanks for the reminder--i need to send a heads up to the third-party-announce mailing list about coming changes and apologizing that we're behind on the pending requests (which are about to become unnecessary hopefully some time this week) | 14:15 |
| nfedotov | fungi:no problem. Thank you too! | 14:16 |
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| dtantsur | Hey Infra! Could someone please review/approve small change to gerritbot? https://review.openstack.org/137136 | 14:47 |
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| mtreinish | fungi: did you get an answer to your e-r question from yesterday? | 14:55 |
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| mtreinish | you shouldn't have to change any e-r code, just the update queries if you're changing any bug numbers | 14:56 |
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| fungi | mtreinish: oh, it doesn't look for them to be associated with a particular project? even easier | 14:57 |
| mtreinish | fungi: yeah it does the lookup by bug number. I think there might be a check if it's part of a project in the openstack group, or that could have just been the functional test lemme double check | 14:58 |
| sdague | it's not a code check | 14:58 |
| sdague | it might be a tests check | 14:58 |
| sdague | we assume people are vaguely sane | 14:59 |
| mtreinish | sdague: ok, then yeah I put that in the functional query test then | 14:59 |
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| mtreinish | I remember writing the code to do that lookup and figuring out how weird it was to do in launchpadlib | 14:59 |
| Kiall | Heya.. Any chance I can get a second review against? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/137506/ - Adding a new gate job to the Designate repo, has a single +2 already.. Thanks :) | 15:00 |
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| sdague | fungi: so, we could probably add storyboard support in if you like. | 15:00 |
| mtreinish | sdague: there's no python api | 15:00 |
| fungi | sdague: for the moment, it's additional complication since a lot of those bugs turn into bugs against various integrated projects still tracked in lp | 15:01 |
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| sdague | fungi: gotcha, ok | 15:02 |
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| sdague | is there a plan for a storyboard python client coming? | 15:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | Thomas Goirand proposed openstack-dev/pbr: Packagers vs package maintainers https://review.openstack.org/138394 | 15:19 |
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| openstackgerrit | Nikita Konovalov proposed openstack-infra/python-storyboardclient: Initial Cookiecutter Commit. https://review.openstack.org/138090 | 15:34 |
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| openstackgerrit | Nikita Konovalov proposed openstack-infra/python-storyboardclient: Addind apiclient from oslo incubator https://review.openstack.org/138091 | 15:35 |
| openstackgerrit | Nikita Konovalov proposed openstack-infra/python-storyboardclient: Setting up base classes https://review.openstack.org/138092 | 15:35 |
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| tchaypo | *reads alternate meeting time thread* | 15:41 |
| tchaypo | *gets very confused* | 15:41 |
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| tchaypo | *realises it’s the infra alternate meeting time thread which started a few hours before the tripleo alternate meeting time thread* | 15:41 |
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| derekh | lol | 15:41 |
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| derekh | Hmm, lo looks like the weekly meeting will be in Alaska, | 15:43 |
| derekh | doodle changed "IRC" to a link to google maps, which is an airport in Alaska | 15:44 |
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| anteaya | tchaypo: what infra alternate meeting time? | 15:48 |
| tchaypo | s/alternate/additional/g | 15:49 |
| anteaya | derekh: awesome, how very helpful | 15:49 |
| anteaya | tchaypo: the third-party additional meeting thread? | 15:49 |
| * tchaypo goes back to read again | 15:49 | |
| openstackgerrit | Davanum Srinivas (dims) proposed openstack/requirements: Update to latest oslo libraries (utils/i18n/vmware) https://review.openstack.org/138407 | 15:49 |
| anteaya | yeah, the timing of having two choose meeting time threads is confusing | 15:49 |
| tchaypo | Yes, that one. | 15:50 |
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| anteaya | which is why I work as hard as I can to only have one type of election discussion happening on the mailing list at a time | 15:50 |
| tchaypo | Sorry, I think I stopped reading around “additional meeting” so the [openstack-infra] stuck in my mind | 15:50 |
| anteaya | having two different kinds of election on the mailing list at the same time was bound to confuse people | 15:50 |
| tchaypo | *nods* | 15:50 |
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| anteaya | tchaypo: yeah, well it did cc to infra so I can understand the thought process | 15:51 |
| tchaypo | I wish I’d sent my email last week when this came up, instead of dithering for days… or that I’d seen yours before I sent mine | 15:51 |
| anteaya | no dithering allowed | 15:51 |
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| anteaya | and yeah, didn't mean to step on your brain space here | 15:51 |
| anteaya | sorry about that | 15:51 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/infra-manual: Fix typo https://review.openstack.org/138275 | 15:54 |
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| nibalizer | we're sprinting today yes? | 16:01 |
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| fungi | all day! yesterday too | 16:01 |
| fungi | see /topic | 16:01 |
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| ttx | fungi: what's the appropriate way to request a repo rename ? | 16:03 |
| nibalizer | fungi: yea i got busy yesterday, couldn't really help | 16:03 |
| openstackgerrit | Dmitry Teselkin proposed openstack-infra/zuul: Whitelist for gerrit events https://review.openstack.org/137634 | 16:03 |
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| openstackgerrit | Dmitry Teselkin proposed openstack-infra/zuul: Whitelist for gerrit events https://review.openstack.org/137634 | 16:04 |
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| fungi | ttx: we add it to the infra team weekly meeting agenda | 16:05 |
| fungi | ttx: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Upcoming_Project_Renames | 16:05 |
| ttx | ok will do (openstack-infra/gerrit-powered-agenda -> openstack-infra/yaml2ical) | 16:05 |
| fungi | ttx: we have a couple we're discussing today in the meeting i think | 16:05 |
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| anteaya | ttx and offer a patch to project-config with the rename, or delegate (I can do that if you wish) | 16:07 |
| ttx | anteaya: that would be great if you could post it, yes. Probably won't have time to look into it before meeting today, so will miss the boat | 16:08 |
| ttx | anteaya: I added a placeholder to https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Upcoming_Project_Renames | 16:09 |
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| anteaya | ttx okay so yaml2ical is your desired name | 16:11 |
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| ttx | yes, that's what the module has been renamed to | 16:11 |
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| anteaya | it has already been renamed? | 16:11 |
| ttx | (nothing gerrit-specific about it, and we need it pypi-compliant) | 16:11 |
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| ttx | the module in the repo was renamed yes | 16:11 |
| ttx | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136427/ | 16:12 |
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| ttx | was previously called 'arbiter' | 16:12 |
| anteaya | ah okay got it | 16:12 |
| anteaya | thanks | 16:12 |
| ttx | (which did not match repo name either :) | 16:12 |
| anteaya | awesome | 16:12 |
| ttx | but now we need it on pypi to use it in jobs | 16:12 |
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| ttx | simpler if every name is aligned | 16:13 |
| anteaya | wonderful | 16:13 |
| anteaya | it is simplier | 16:13 |
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| ttx | bah, call ended early, so I can post it myself after all | 16:20 |
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| anteaya | awesome, then I can review | 16:22 |
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| openstackgerrit | Anita Kuno proposed openstack-infra/infra-manual: Adds instructions for new developers to use sandbox https://review.openstack.org/104951 | 16:27 |
| openstackgerrit | Clark Boylan proposed openstack-infra/infra-manual: Document the management of feature branches https://review.openstack.org/138200 | 16:28 |
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| mattt | anyone able to help register a new irc channel? | 16:35 |
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| dteselkin | Hi | 16:40 |
| anteaya | mattt: you register the channel yourself and then give infra access if you want logging and so on: http://ci.openstack.org/irc.html#access | 16:40 |
| mattt | anteaya: issue we're having is someone is sitting in the channel, but the channel itself is unregistered | 16:41 |
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| mattt | anteaya: and we're unable to register it with them in the channel | 16:41 |
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| jroll | mattt: if they won't hand over ops, you'll likely need to grab freenode staff in #freenode | 16:41 |
| sigmavirus24 | anteaya: and that person idles in #openstack-dev too | 16:41 |
| dteselkin | I've created a patchset to implement whitelist filtering in zuul, and fixed tests. Could someone take a look please? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/137634 | 16:41 |
| sigmavirus24 | jroll: tried that already too heh | 16:41 |
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| jroll | lame | 16:42 |
| sigmavirus24 | stupid. not lame. | 16:42 |
| anteaya | mattt: that is a freenode issue then | 16:42 |
| anteaya | we have no ability to help you there | 16:42 |
| anteaya | you need to talk to freenode folks and appeal to them | 16:43 |
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| anteaya | ttx any thoughts on the publish to pypi job? | 16:44 |
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| ttx | anteaya: mentioned in the commit message that it would come in a subsequent change | 16:44 |
| anteaya | I should read that | 16:45 |
| anteaya | you did so | 16:45 |
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| anteaya | okay I have +2 and set as wip | 16:46 |
| anteaya | can you add the url to the meeting agenda? | 16:46 |
| openstackgerrit | Clark Boylan proposed openstack-infra/system-config: Document new third party self service accounts https://review.openstack.org/137240 | 16:46 |
| anteaya | we can't merge the patch until the rename window | 16:46 |
| mattt | anteaya: we asked in #freenode, and they suggested we "contact the openstack group contact and get back to them.", we assumed that was someone in here | 16:46 |
| clarkb | fungi: ^ addressed | 16:46 |
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| anteaya | mattt: if infra has the ability to remove people from freenode channels so that you can register the channel, I don't know about that ability | 16:49 |
| clarkb | anteaya: I think we are being asked to ask freenode to do the removal | 16:49 |
| mattt | anteaya: i imagine they want someone to validate our reasonings for taking over the channel | 16:49 |
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| fungi | thanks clarkb! | 16:49 |
| clarkb | since the channel is likely in our namespace | 16:49 |
| mattt | clarkb: bingo | 16:50 |
| clarkb | do we know what the channel is/ | 16:50 |
| mattt | clarkb: #openstack-ansible | 16:50 |
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| clarkb | and do we know why the lurker won't jump ship? | 16:50 |
| mattt | i've pinged them over the course of about a week, no response | 16:50 |
| sigmavirus24 | serverascode___: seems to be in here too | 16:51 |
| sigmavirus24 | Maybe they'll respond to a ping here | 16:51 |
| mattt | i DMd them to be sure, but still no response | 16:51 |
| mattt | tho to be fair the DM was only about an hour ago | 16:51 |
| jeblair | oh, i can help with #openstack-ansible | 16:51 |
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| sigmavirus24 | jeblair++ | 16:51 |
| jeblair | i'm the freenode group contact for #openstack-* | 16:51 |
| Kiall | clarkb: can I bug you for a review on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/137506/ ? New gate job for Designate, hoping to have it enabled before merging some code it'll be testing... | 16:52 |
| mattt | jeblair: that'd be great, thank you | 16:52 |
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| hughsaunders | storyboard seems to be 500ing on openid login | 16:52 |
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| clarkb | Kiall: fungi should that job be experimental before it is non voting gating? | 16:53 |
| clarkb | because non voting gating is silly | 16:53 |
| Kiall | clarkb: ++, PS1 included a comment saying it'll change to voting ASAP | 16:53 |
| Kiall | PS2* | 16:53 |
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| anteaya | great | 16:53 |
| clarkb | Kiall: have you tested the job locally? | 16:54 |
| Kiall | clarkb: I just don't want to land it and block other reviews while we get a better sense of stability for it | 16:54 |
| anteaya | serverascode___: why wouldn't you respond to their queries curtis? | 16:54 |
| Kiall | Yep, It should be fine.. But a few days of running ingate would make me comfortable :) | 16:54 |
| clarkb | Kiall: I guess I am just concerned that we are skipping the step of make it work before running it a lot. I am fine with that if you have made it work locally | 16:55 |
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| fungi | Kiall: oh, i missed that somehow but i agree with clarkb... if you want to see how stable it is you can do that with a check-only job. you'll need to edit layout.yaml to set it to voting anyway so can just add it to the gate pipeline at the same time | 16:55 |
| openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed openstack-infra/infra-manual: Add WIP section to core.rst https://review.openstack.org/138163 | 16:56 |
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| Kiall | Humm - I'll make it easier and just make it voting right now .. We have enough core on to fasttrack any fixes for gate blockers ;) | 16:56 |
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| fungi | Kiall: that's the spirit | 16:57 |
| Kiall | (and we're not in the integrated gate, so only hurts us) | 16:57 |
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| fungi | Kiall: it's an effective way to prioritize development effort too ;) | 16:57 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kiall Mac Innes proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Add Designate BIND9 DSVM Job https://review.openstack.org/137506 | 16:57 |
| Kiall | fungi / clarkb: Done.. | 16:58 |
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| fungi | krotscheck: !!! i'm consistently getting an internal server error authenticating to storyboard (which means hopefully i can provide some good debugging info) | 16:59 |
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| fungi | hrm... can anybody else log into storyboard? i see other users' sessions throwing the same exception in the logs | 17:03 |
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| clarkb | fungi: hughsaunders indicated 500s too. I am testing with my ccount now | 17:03 |
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| krotscheck | Checking | 17:04 |
| fungi | looks like it lost contact with the trove instance about 15 minutes ago | 17:04 |
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| jeblair | fungi: i failed with a 500 | 17:04 |
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| clarkb | I haven't failed yet but it doens't look happy | 17:04 |
| krotscheck | hrm. | 17:04 |
| clarkb | oh losing DB would do that I imagine | 17:04 |
| jeblair | it was pretty quick for me after return from lp | 17:04 |
| krotscheck | yeah, db fall down go boom. | 17:04 |
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| jeblair | does not sound like the subtle bug we were looking for :/ | 17:05 |
| clarkb | there it goes, I didn't get an lp redirect the first attempt | 17:05 |
| jeblair | telnet <dbhost> 3306: telnet: Unable to connect to remote host: Connection refused | 17:06 |
| jeblair | answers pings | 17:06 |
| fungi | i'm checking to see if rackspace has opened a ticket to let us know they're doing things | 17:07 |
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| fungi | nothing. opening one now | 17:08 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config: Add Designate BIND9 DSVM Job https://review.openstack.org/137506 | 17:09 |
| fungi | crappity. their dashboard indicates that db instance is shut down/shutting down | 17:09 |
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| fungi | i'm going to try to restart it | 17:09 |
| clarkb | gl | 17:09 |
| fungi | it switched to a restarting status | 17:09 |
| jeblair | if that works, i guess we should open a ticket and ask wherefore shut down db instance? | 17:10 |
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| fungi | i'm starting that in parallel | 17:10 |
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| krotscheck | Urm, did that flush our data? | 17:14 |
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| jeblair | krotscheck: instance is still down afaict | 17:14 |
| fungi | i've opened rackspace ticket 141202-ord-0003970 under our openstackci tenant | 17:14 |
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| fungi | after several minutes it switched back from "Restarting" to "Shut Down" again | 17:15 |
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| krotscheck | I’m just concerned that the database was corrupted. | 17:16 |
| krotscheck | Or lost | 17:16 |
| fungi | jroll: phschwartz: JayF: ^ know anybody on the rackspace trove operations team hanging out in irc? | 17:16 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: so i assume the error is being masked by either the storyboard api server or the ui...i wonder if it ought to throw more of a fit in this case. | 17:16 |
| jeblair | krotscheck: we have a db backup system, if we aren't using it for storyboard, we probably should start doing so now. | 17:16 |
| krotscheck | The API layer should definitely throw sane exceptions, I agree. | 17:17 |
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| jeblair | krotscheck: i believe we are _not_ using it for storyboard. i will whip up a change to enable it. | 17:17 |
| krotscheck | Yeaaah. | 17:17 |
| fungi | worst case, i do have a database dump from not long ago in my homedir, plus we can rerun the imports for infra bugs from lp to get a lot of it back | 17:18 |
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| krotscheck | Oh good | 17:18 |
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| fungi | oh, actually the dump in my homedir is just specific tables | 17:18 |
| fungi | so maybe not | 17:18 |
| krotscheck | hrm. | 17:18 |
| krotscheck | Well, let’s hope the server’s not fubar. | 17:18 |
| fungi | ahh, yeah, i was only dumping the users table. sorry :/ | 17:19 |
| fungi | this just appeared moments ago (since i last checked): https://status.rackspace.com/index/viewincidents?group=13 | 17:20 |
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| fungi | "Our Cloud engineers are investigating connectivity issues impacting a subset of databases in our DFW data center. During this time, customer databases affected by this may experience intermittent availability issues." | 17:20 |
| openstackgerrit | James E. Blair proposed openstack-infra/system-config: Add database backups to storyboard https://review.openstack.org/138445 | 17:20 |
| trinaths1 | Hi | 17:21 |
| krotscheck | Wow, taht was easy. | 17:21 |
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| openstackgerrit | James E. Blair proposed openstack-infra/system-config: Add system backups to storyboard https://review.openstack.org/138447 | 17:22 |
| jeblair | and for extra paranoia ^ | 17:22 |
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| clarkb | jeblair: out of curiousity, are we properly migrating the private key associated with those users when we rebuilt gerrit? | 17:23 |
| fungi | oh, also i noticed over the weekend that we never approved the puppet change to consistently set our uids, and have built several new servers since then which will need similar renumbering manually applied now :( | 17:25 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/storyboard-webclient: Fixed refresh token. https://review.openstack.org/138174 | 17:25 |
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| zaro | morning | 17:25 |
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| openstackgerrit | Anita Kuno proposed openstack-infra/infra-manual: Adds a link for new developers to use sandbox https://review.openstack.org/104951 | 17:30 |
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| JayF | fungi: trove being cloud dbs, right? | 17:30 |
| JayF | fungi: I don't have a direct contact on that team anymore, but if you file a ticket and give me the number I'll prod the appropriate people | 17:31 |
| fungi | JayF: yeah, though it looks like they've since become aware of the issue | 17:31 |
| fungi | JayF: thanks for the offer though! | 17:31 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/system-config: Add database backups to storyboard https://review.openstack.org/138445 | 17:32 |
| openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack/requirements: Pin oslo.concurrency < 0.3.0 until hacking H302 is fixed https://review.openstack.org/138454 | 17:32 |
| mriedem | sdague: ^ | 17:32 |
| chmouel | can someone help me cut a pypi release for stackforge project? | 17:32 |
| sdague | yeh, I don't want to do that without a conversation with dhellman | 17:32 |
| jeblair | clarkb: no idea we should check | 17:33 |
| jeblair | fungi: oh no! | 17:33 |
| clarkb | chmouel: sure | 17:33 |
| mriedem | sdague: sure, it's just there | 17:33 |
| jeblair | i have registered #openstack-ansible and normalized its access | 17:33 |
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| clarkb | mattt: ^ | 17:33 |
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| fungi | jeblair: i'll try to identify and clean those up some time in the next day or two so we can get that merged and behind us | 17:33 |
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| chmouel | clarkb: i thnk there was a wiki page but i can't find it anymore, any chances you know where it is? | 17:34 |
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| jeblair | fungi: cool, thanks | 17:34 |
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| clarkb | chmouel: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/GerritJenkinsGit#Tagging_a_Release you want to make sure that the project is registered on pypi first, openstackci is an owner, and that the proper release and taralls jobs are in place for your project | 17:35 |
| chmouel | clarkb: i think mordred already all of it and with https://review.openstack.org/#/c/133951 | 17:35 |
| clarkb | https://pypi.python.org/pypi/dox/9f33ae5 looks good though that version number may cause problems for people installing | 17:36 |
| clarkb | that can be sorted out independently if it is an issue | 17:36 |
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| Kiall | Humm - Is one of the pypi mirrors bust? https://jenkins06.openstack.org/job/gate-designate-pep8/262/console | 17:37 |
| iccha | hey SlickNik pointed me to this channel, anyone seeing cloud databases issues with storyboard? | 17:38 |
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| krotscheck | iccha: Yep | 17:38 |
| iccha | krotscheck: is it in dfw? | 17:38 |
| krotscheck | iccha: I believe so. | 17:39 |
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| fungi | iccha: see http://status.rackspace.org/ | 17:39 |
| mattt | clarkb: yay, thanks ! | 17:39 |
| iccha | krotscheck: ya we are having an outage and our ops are working on it right now. fungi | 17:39 |
| fungi | iccha: whatever is happening in dfw has the trove db for it offline right now | 17:39 |
| iccha | should be resolved quickly | 17:39 |
| chmouel | clarkb: ah nice! so i can just tag/push it 0.1 or something and that would get automatically into pypi? | 17:39 |
| clarkb | Kiall: yup, looks like bandersnatch synced the index page but not the wheel again... | 17:39 |
| fungi | iccha: awesome--thanks!@ | 17:39 |
| vponomaryov | guys update of oslo libs broke gates | 17:40 |
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| jesusaurus | clarkb: again? is that something that happens somewhat frequently? | 17:40 |
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| clarkb | vponomaryov: yes in several different ways \o/ | 17:40 |
| clarkb | jesusaurus: yes | 17:40 |
| jesusaurus | :( | 17:40 |
| clarkb | jesusaurus: its a bug they won't fix | 17:40 |
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| clarkb | because you know | 17:40 |
| clarkb | fixing hard bugs is not worth it | 17:40 |
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| clarkb | jesusaurus: I think it is a race in how it does syncing | 17:41 |
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| clarkb | jesusaurus: basically it says I have new stuff, updates packages, then updates index page | 17:41 |
| jesusaurus | i dont understand why people have so much trouble writing pypi mirroring tools, but im not quite motivating to try writing my own yet | 17:41 |
| fungi | clarkb: https://bitbucket.org/pypa/bandersnatch/issue/51 again i guess? | 17:41 |
| clarkb | fungi: looks like it | 17:41 |
| clarkb | because it updates packages first then the index page well the index page can be extra updated | 17:42 |
| fungi | clarkb: no download failure in the log then i take it | 17:42 |
| clarkb | but your packages are stale | 17:42 |
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| clarkb | fungi: I am about to hop on and check | 17:42 |
| dstufft | jesusaurus: because PyPI mirroring protocol is a pile of shit | 17:42 |
| dstufft | it's basically wget --mirror with some smarts | 17:42 |
| clarkb | dstufft: but since your index pages are not versioned they are prone to those races | 17:42 |
| clarkb | which means that mirroring tools themselves must ensure consistency | 17:43 |
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| clarkb | but bandersnatch is lazy and has no interest in that | 17:43 |
| dstufft | I'm not a bandersnatch maintainer so idk | 17:43 |
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| dstufft | I want to replace the whole mirroring protocol with some transactional | 17:43 |
| clarkb | dstufft: thats basically the story I was told on that bug | 17:43 |
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| fungi | clarkb: i think 51 is just in a "i don't know why this is broken state" unlike the earlier bugs we opened about it going ahead and updating the index after a tarball/wheel download failure | 17:43 |
| dstufft | computers are the worst | 17:44 |
| dstufft | I think I know why 51 happens | 17:45 |
| clarkb | fungi: oh do I need to go write down what is happening? | 17:45 |
| clarkb | I know why it happens | 17:45 |
| clarkb | you upload two package files whcih updates a single index page | 17:45 |
| dstufft | no | 17:45 |
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| clarkb | yes that is racy | 17:45 |
| fungi | i wonder if this happens when a bandersnatch sync is in progress and the upload is registered into the index between when the index is parsed to see what needs downloading and when the index content itself is updated | 17:45 |
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| clarkb | and we trip over it because we upload sdist and whl for all the things | 17:45 |
| dstufft | the problem is PyPI does two queries | 17:46 |
| dstufft | one to fetch a list of files, one to fetch the latest serial | 17:46 |
| clarkb | fungi: I think sdist is uploaded first, bandersnatch says let me get sdist, it then says let me get index. by then whl has been uploaded | 17:46 |
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| clarkb | which means whl is on index but has not been synced as an actual package | 17:46 |
| clarkb | but I defer to dstufft | 17:46 |
| fungi | clarkb: in the case of logilab-common yesterday there was only a tarball, but it still got skipped | 17:46 |
| dstufft | if bandersnatch hits the json endpoint and the wheel gets uploaded between the first query and the second | 17:47 |
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| dstufft | or whatever file | 17:47 |
| dstufft | then the serial associated with that json response will be wrong | 17:47 |
| clarkb | looking at the log my description is exactly what happens | 17:47 |
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| clarkb | http://paste.openstack.org/show/143710/ thats it for oslotest | 17:48 |
| dstufft | clarkb: what you're describing should be fixed automatically on the next run of bandersnatch | 17:48 |
| fungi | dstufft: except it's not | 17:48 |
| dstufft | because that's not the underlying problem | 17:48 |
| dstufft | :D | 17:48 |
| fungi | dstufft: oh, what clarkb's describing would get fixed on a subsequent run, right | 17:48 |
| dstufft | PyPI has "serial" numbers | 17:48 |
| dstufft | it's just a montonically increasing number that increments for every change that happens | 17:49 |
| clarkb | fungi: so the fix for this is to have it redo? | 17:49 |
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| fungi | dstufft: however what you're describing would persist on subsequent runs because bandersnatch thinks it already got everything it needed for that previous serial | 17:49 |
| clarkb | so they are both bugs then | 17:49 |
| clarkb | because fixing on the next run is a poor excuse | 17:49 |
| fungi | clarkb: either a full mirror refresh or manually install the missing files | 17:49 |
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| clarkb | hrm full refresh is probably worht it to catch anything else that has been derped | 17:50 |
| dstufft | fungi: right, because thinking about it, I'm 99% sure there's a race condition in PyPI where you'll get the wrong serial with a certain response | 17:50 |
| fungi | clarkb: sad thing is, we already did a full refresh ~27 hours ago | 17:50 |
| dstufft | we probably need to opena transaction with a different isolation level | 17:50 |
| jkt | I managed to get Zuul + TH running and integrated with KDE's Gerrit, and it's already being used by a one real project (which happens to be mine, sure) | 17:50 |
| jkt | so I wanted to say thank you for these tools :) | 17:50 |
| fungi | jkt: thank you for your help improving those tools | 17:51 |
| jeblair | jkt: yaaay! | 17:51 |
| clarkb | fungi: how long did it take per server? | 17:51 |
| fungi | clarkb: i wasn't the one to start it so i don't know exactly, but ~2-3 hours | 17:52 |
| clarkb | also where are these todo and state files | 17:52 |
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| clarkb | ok I will copy files in I suppose then also set up a full sync | 17:52 |
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| jkt | the most limitting things was that we don't have Swift yet, so there's an SCP of the build log to a shared log aggregator machine | 17:53 |
| openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed openstack-infra/infra-manual: Add section about cross-project dependencies https://review.openstack.org/138272 | 17:53 |
| fungi | jeblair: krotscheck: iccha: looks like our storyboard database is up again | 17:54 |
| jkt | I'm also wondering whether there's some way of intercepting the "job not registered" error from within Zuul, and bring up a VM instance on demand | 17:54 |
| iccha | awesome fungi ! | 17:54 |
| fungi | iccha: thanks for the fast fix? | 17:54 |
| fungi | s/?/!/ | 17:54 |
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| jkt | that way I won't have to keep around X well-speced VMs for all of the X build environments we need | 17:54 |
| openstackgerrit | Kevin Carter proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Added gerritbot to openstack-ansible channel https://review.openstack.org/138461 | 17:55 |
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| tykeal | anteaya: may I inquire as to what we might still need to do to get the OpenDaylight CI voting rights re-established? | 17:55 |
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| jeblair | jkt: i'd like to have an option in zuul to just go ahead and enqueue that job and then have a timeout (configurable but maybe 1 hour or so?) and only fail it if it doesn't start within the timeout | 17:56 |
| clarkb | ok oslotest is on all four mirrors now | 17:56 |
| jeblair | jkt: if we did that, then if you are using nodepool, it will get the signal to spin one up | 17:56 |
| clarkb | I am going to figure out how to do full syncs on them now | 17:56 |
| dstufft | clarkb: ftr I don't particularly like the "eventually consistent" aspect of bandersnatch | 17:57 |
| jeblair | jkt: NOT_REGISTERED is mostly there to keep you from getting stuck due to a typo in the config file, but we have a job that checks our config file now and that is much less likely | 17:57 |
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| fungi | dstufft: when it comes to mirroring protocols, "eventually consistent" means "randomly broken" | 17:58 |
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| jkt | jeblair: I don't have nodepool yet; last time I checked it, it needed Jenkins to see "pressure" on the # of nodes, right? | 17:58 |
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| jkt | jeblair: but what you're saying would indeed give me a building block for that feature, yup | 17:58 |
| clarkb | fungi: do you know where the state and todo files are? | 17:58 |
| clarkb | fungi: or are they misnamed? there is a status and generation file | 17:59 |
| dstufft | clarkb: status and generation are the files you want to delete IIRC | 17:59 |
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| dstufft | fungi: I agree yea | 17:59 |
| jeblair | jkt: no actually it just needs zuul's gearman. we intend on using it with TH when we start using TH. i don't _think_ it needs jenkins, but we might have missed something (since we don't use it that way) | 17:59 |
| dstufft | fungi: in the ~future~ the mirror protocol 2.0 won't allow it | 17:59 |
| dstufft | fungi: but time :( | 17:59 |
| jeblair | jhesketh, mattoliverau: are you using nodepool with th, or just long-running slaves? | 18:00 |
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| anteaya | tykeal: you need to get edgar to tell me that you should have voting rights | 18:00 |
| anteaya | emagama that is | 18:00 |
| fungi | clarkb: yeah, those (i think the instructions i found said delete stats and also todo if it exists but didn't mention generation) | 18:00 |
| jeblair | jkt: if it accidentally requires jenkins, we should be able to fix that fairly easily | 18:00 |
| fungi | er, status | 18:00 |
| tykeal | anteaya: ah, ok. | 18:00 |
| dstufft | fungi: clarkb I think generation is a new file that lets a bandersnatch upgrade trigger a full refresh if something changes | 18:00 |
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| mestery | Hey infra folks, hoping I can get someone's time for a review of a stackforge project creation, needs one more +2. Thanks! https://review.openstack.org/#/c/136854/ | 18:01 |
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| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack-dev/hacking: Allow import redirections https://review.openstack.org/138462 | 18:02 |
| clarkb | ok those files are both moved out of the way | 18:02 |
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| fungi | krotscheck: interestingly, looks like maybe some data was only partially written? i have this new story with a broken task ("Project not found") | 18:02 |
| fungi | krotscheck: https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2000045 | 18:02 |
| clarkb | on all 4 mirrors so things should converge on working | 18:02 |
| fungi | krotscheck: oh, i'm finding more with project not found | 18:02 |
| krotscheck | fungi: I see a project | 18:02 |
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| anteaya | mestery: we are infra-manual sprinting today, I will add that to tomorrow's review list | 18:03 |
| mestery | anteaya: Thanks so much for the response! | 18:03 |
| anteaya | np | 18:03 |
| fungi | krotscheck: https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/project/list only lists 10 projects for me | 18:03 |
| fungi | krotscheck: i wonder if that table got rolled back or something | 18:04 |
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| krotscheck | fungi: I’m seeing 64 | 18:04 |
| clarkb | isn't innodb ACID? | 18:04 |
| clarkb | are we using innodb? | 18:04 |
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| krotscheck | fungi: Could you check your profile and see what your page size is set to? | 18:04 |
| fungi | krotscheck: aha, that was it | 18:05 |
| mordred | clarkb: yes. it is. but that if we're not doing multi-statement transactions, part of the write could get applied and not another | 18:05 |
| fungi | krotscheck: apologies, i was thrown because the ui just doesn't mention that there were additional results beyond my configured query limit | 18:05 |
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| fungi | krotscheck: and now i see a project for that story too | 18:06 |
| fungi | i wonder... | 18:06 |
| clarkb | mordred: so commiting a transaction doesn't do what I think it does? | 18:06 |
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| clarkb | clearly we should all just use mongodb becaue then we will expect data loss | 18:06 |
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| fungi | krotscheck: interestingly, switching my page limit back to 10 didn't cause that task to go back to "no project found" so maybe something odd with query caching? | 18:07 |
| mordred | clarkb: committing a transaction does EXACTLY what you expect it to do | 18:08 |
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| krotscheck | fungi: Likely - cached result could have been left around. | 18:08 |
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| mordred | clarkb: but if you do "BEGIN; insert; COMMIT; BEGIN; insert; *crash*" then you will wind up with the first statement written and not the second | 18:08 |
| krotscheck | btw, fungi - we’ve got a caching fix in the queue that’ll make things a lot faster for page loads. | 18:09 |
| fungi | mordred: clarkb: krotscheck: yeah, so i no longer think i was seeing corruption or rollback. more likely something odd with how it got queried | 18:09 |
| clarkb | mordred: gotcha | 18:09 |
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| clarkb | ok I have confirmed that bandersnatch is doing things. /me is going to context switch now | 18:12 |
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| clarkb | dstufft: (and I hate asking this), if we were to put a sleep between package artifact uploads how long of a sleep would it have to be to fix this issue? longer than the period of our bandersnatch cron? | 18:13 |
| dstufft | clarkb: don't think it has anything to do with that | 18:13 |
| dstufft | _any_ upload to pypi in between those two queries will do it | 18:14 |
| dstufft | i think | 18:14 |
| clarkb | dstufft: the difference here is they both reside on the same index | 18:14 |
| clarkb | dstufft: so when that index is synced you are broken broken | 18:14 |
| dstufft | right but that's not what confuses bandersnatch | 18:14 |
| clarkb | you are inonsistent rather than just being behind | 18:14 |
| fungi | dstufft: clarkb: yeah, i think the issue is that if we're in the middle of a bandersnatch sync when a file gets uploaded, we miss retrieving that file but update to the index which links it | 18:14 |
| clarkb | any upload can do it but in most case you would just be behind | 18:15 |
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| clarkb | maybe behind forever | 18:15 |
| clarkb | but not inconsistent | 18:15 |
| dstufft | wait which issue are we talking about | 18:15 |
| clarkb | dstufft: the issue of uploading a wheel and an sdist, the index updating for both, but bandersnatch only syncing one | 18:15 |
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| fungi | clarkb: i think what's happening there is that one of them got uploaded before the bandersnatch sync looked for files to download and the other got uploaded after that but before bandersnatch updated the index | 18:16 |
| dstufft | clarkb: there are a number of ways that can happen, some of which you can't control | 18:16 |
| dstufft | um | 18:17 |
| clarkb | fungi: right, so to work around that we could sleep in theory between uploads of artifacts for the same project | 18:17 |
| dstufft | if you upload a file between when bandersnatch fetches the json and when bandersnatch fetches the index | 18:17 |
| dstufft | that'll cause it | 18:17 |
| clarkb | dstufft: yes that is exactly what I was saying is happening :) | 18:17 |
| clarkb | its racy | 18:17 |
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| fungi | clarkb: except it still doesn't particularly help since the file could be uploaded between when bandersnatch looks for new files and when it pulls the new index | 18:17 |
| dstufft | yes, that'll fix on the next run of bandersnatch | 18:18 |
| dstufft | the only way to actually fix that is to make a lock | 18:18 |
| clarkb | fungi: not if the sleep is longer than the period of bandersnatch runs | 18:18 |
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| clarkb | dstufft: yes the proper way to fix it would be with the mirroring itself | 18:18 |
| fungi | clarkb: i don't understand. we can trigger this with a single file upload. there would be nowhere to sleep | 18:18 |
| dstufft | so that you don't upload when bandersnatch is updating | 18:18 |
| dstufft | no | 18:18 |
| clarkb | fungi: we can? | 18:18 |
| dstufft | the single file thing is different | 18:18 |
| clarkb | ya I don't think single file uploads are this issue | 18:18 |
| dstufft | ok wait | 18:18 |
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| dstufft | here's how bandersnatch works, it hits a JSON endpoint to get a list of files to download, it downloads those files, then it downlaods the index.html | 18:19 |
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| dstufft | as part of that there is a serial number that gets returned in the HTTP responses that tells it what "version" of PyPI a particular document is from | 18:20 |
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| dstufft | there are two issues at play here | 18:20 |
| dstufft | one is: the JSON is returning data for serial X, but it's claiming it's for serial X+1, thus bandersnatch won't see anything that was added in the +1 because it thinks it already synced that | 18:20 |
| dstufft | so if X+1 added a file (wheel, single file, whatever), you'll never get that | 18:21 |
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| dstufft | the other issue is that there is a race condition, if you add a new file between when it gets the list of files and when it downloads the index.html, the index.html will reference a file that doesn't exist | 18:22 |
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| dstufft | that one willl be fixed on the enxt run of bandersnatch | 18:22 |
| clarkb | dstufft: gotcha, so we have definitely hit both then | 18:22 |
| clarkb | because the first race is the one we just hit | 18:23 |
| clarkb | and I have seen instances of the second via failed jobs and checkign aginst logs after file exists | 18:23 |
| clarkb | I am guessing second is harder to trip since the timing is more exact | 18:23 |
| dstufft | (the second one can also happen in a slightly different way, bandersantch "fails soft", so if it fails to download a particular file it'll keep going and even update the index.html, failures like PyPI throws a 503, the connection breaks, whatever) | 18:23 |
| fungi | dstufft: got it. so the first issue you describe is happening when we upload two files, or potentially when two different projects just happen to upload separate files which we roll up into a single sync | 18:23 |
| dstufft | fungi: yea | 18:23 |
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| fungi | which explains what we saw for logilab-common then | 18:24 |
| dstufft | there's nothing y | 18:24 |
| dstufft | er | 18:24 |
| fungi | they uploaded a tarball around the same time as another project, and we only downloaded one of them | 18:24 |
| dstufft | there's nothing y'all can really do to fix the first issue, that's just a problem in PyPI that i'll see about fixing here shortly | 18:24 |
| clarkb | dstufft: is the first a bug on the pypi side then? | 18:24 |
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| clarkb | rgr | 18:24 |
| dhellmann | was any of this caused by all of the oslo releases coming so close together? | 18:25 |
| dstufft | I need to see about wrapping those two queries in a transaction or not | 18:25 |
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| fungi | that's definitely the more debilitating issue for us since it persists indefinitely until we fix it manually on every mirror we run | 18:25 |
| clarkb | dhellmann: I think it just meant that the 1/10 chance of hitting this was more likely to be tripped | 18:25 |
| clarkb | or whatever the chance is | 18:25 |
| dstufft | dhellmann: it could have happened if you uploaded files between when bandersnatch fetched the JSON andw hen the index.html change was fetched | 18:25 |
| dhellmann | dstufft: ok, we released a bunch of libraries today, and some may have happened simultaneously | 18:26 |
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| dstufft | I think the second issue can be fixed in bandersnatch without making any major changes to bandsnatch just be re-ordering the operations | 18:26 |
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| dstufft | if bandersnatch downloads the index.html file first, but _doesn't_ put it into place (store the data in memory or wahtever), then downloads files, then drops the index.html into place, then deletes any files | 18:26 |
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| jroll | fungi: no, don't know who works on trove here, sorry | 18:26 |
| dstufft | that should stop the "we uploaded something in between the json and the fetching of the index.html problem" | 18:27 |
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| clarkb | dstufft: ++ | 18:27 |
| fungi | jroll: it's recovered now anyway. thanks! | 18:27 |
| dstufft | because the race codnition will be "you might use an older index.html but have extra package files that aren't references yet but will be referenced on the next run of bandersnatch" | 18:27 |
| jroll | awesome :) | 18:27 |
| dstufft | instead of "you might have an index.html that points to files that doesn't exist yet" | 18:27 |
| clarkb | dstufft: yup much much better | 18:28 |
| dstufft | (although the race condition will still happen for _deletes_, but those are muchless likely to happen) | 18:28 |
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| clarkb | ya deletes are far less frequent. I am happy making this better for the 99% case | 18:28 |
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| dstufft | https://bitbucket.org/pypa/bandersnatch/issue/53/index-out-of-sync-with-files is probably the pypi side issue | 18:29 |
| dstufft | a new upload would trigger a new serial number so it would force past the issue | 18:29 |
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| dstufft | clarkb: fungi you might make the issue less likely to happen if you upload the wheel first | 18:33 |
| dstufft | well | 18:33 |
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| dstufft | less likely to cause problems | 18:33 |
| dstufft | if you upload sdist than wheel, you might be missing the wheel file | 18:34 |
| dstufft | and pip prefers the wheel file | 18:34 |
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| clarkb | dstufft: ya that would be another possible work around | 18:34 |
| dstufft | if you upload wheel than sdist, you might be missing the sdist, but pip prefers the wheel file | 18:34 |
| clarkb | I will propose that now | 18:34 |
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| openstackgerrit | Clark Boylan proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Upload wheels before sdists https://review.openstack.org/138478 | 18:42 |
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| clarkb | fungi: jeblair dstufft ^ so many hacks | 18:42 |
| dstufft | https://bitbucket.org/pypa/bandersnatch/issue/54/reverse-the-race-condition-to-make-it-less | 18:42 |
| dstufft | I made an issue for y'all | 18:42 |
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| fungi | dstufft: clarkb: thanks! | 18:42 |
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| clarkb | dstufft: t | 18:42 |
| clarkb | er ty | 18:43 |
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| fungi | clarkb: worth noting on 138478, it's more likely that a project has sdist working but bdist wheel broken for configuration reasons. the earlier order allowed tarball uploads to work even if the wheel upload subsequently broke and caused the job to fail | 18:45 |
| fungi | i'm not opposed, it's just a behavior change we need to keep in mind | 18:46 |
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| clarkb | fungi: those projects should be switched to the tarball upload only job | 18:46 |
| clarkb | fungi: we can sort that out as we run into it I guess | 18:46 |
| fungi | agreed | 18:47 |
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| mriedem | looks like the oslotest 1.3.0 pypi issue has already been cleared up? | 18:52 |
| clarkb | mriedem: should be | 18:52 |
| clarkb | mriedem: I ninja synced the wheel then triggered a full mirror sync | 18:52 |
| mriedem | k, just updating e-r | 18:52 |
| mriedem | thanks | 18:52 |
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| jhesketh | Morning | 18:55 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/infra-manual: Core revier: Add +-2, approval https://review.openstack.org/138177 | 18:55 |
| openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack-infra/elastic-recheck: Add query for missing oslotest bug 1398500 https://review.openstack.org/138483 | 18:56 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1398500 in openstack-ci "HTTP error 404 while getting oslotest-1.3.0" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1398500 | 18:56 |
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| anteaya | morning jhesketh | 18:57 |
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| clarkb | meeting time | 19:00 |
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| fungi | yay! | 19:00 |
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| jogo | anteaya: good to know. heyongli: I am excited to see the new tests | 19:46 |
| anteaya | jogo: well that is just it, I'm not sure he has new tests | 19:47 |
| anteaya | my understanding was he doesn't know how new tests get into the workflow | 19:47 |
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| anteaya | so if he is to write them, he might need some guidance from you on how to get them into the flow so his ci can use them | 19:48 |
| anteaya | that was my take away from his question but I could be wrong | 19:48 |
| jogo | anteaya: that is my understanding as well | 19:48 |
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| jogo | anteaya: and based on what exactly the tests will do we can find a home for them | 19:49 |
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| anteaya | great | 19:49 |
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| anteaya | yesterday he showed up in about 3 hours from now | 19:49 |
| anteaya | he might again today, would you be around? | 19:50 |
| anteaya | jogo: ^ | 19:50 |
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| clarkb | nibalizer: mordred http://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2014/11/24/5 fwiw | 19:54 |
| clarkb | also update your dockers | 19:54 |
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| mtreinish | fungi, clarkb: with jeepyb is there a way to have update_bug handle changes to a project when it's not the same name as the repo | 19:54 |
| mtreinish | I'm thinking about tempest-lib because we use the tempest lp tracker for everything | 19:55 |
| openstackgerrit | Davanum Srinivas (dims) proposed openstack/requirements: Update to latest hacking https://review.openstack.org/138507 | 19:55 |
| clarkb | mtreinish: yes you set the group value to the lp name | 19:55 |
| nibalizer | clarkb: ouch | 19:55 |
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| dims | any requirements-core folks around? please help with 138507 | 19:56 |
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| fungi | mtreinish: set groups: tempest for tempest-lib in gerrit/projects.yaml (project-config repo) | 19:57 |
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| scottda | Hi Infra Team. I see that the #openstack-cinder channel is not archived here: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/ | 19:58 |
| scottda | What can we do to get archiving working? | 19:58 |
| AJaeger_ | scottda: bring it up at the next cinder meeting and get a resolution for archiving. | 19:59 |
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| scottda | ok, thanks | 19:59 |
| AJaeger_ | If there's consensus by the cinder team, it's easy to setup with a change to the project-config repo | 19:59 |
| AJaeger_ | scottda: many projects rejected public logging for their channels | 19:59 |
| scottda | cool. I'm putting it on the Agenda now. | 20:00 |
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| sdague | dims: we really don't need that | 20:01 |
| clarkb | wow board meeting, tc meeting, sprint ETOOMANY options | 20:01 |
| clarkb | I suppose mordred and jeblair are likely in the first two so I should keep sprinting | 20:01 |
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| dims | sdague: trying to figure out why https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138463/ is still failing | 20:02 |
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| dims | sdague: gate-nova-pep8 specifically, should have picked up latest hacking | 20:02 |
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| jogo | anteaya: I won't it will be 1AM local time for me | 20:03 |
| fungi | yeah, board meetings arbitrarily scheduled during the same timeslot as the standing tc meetings do not make for an increased number of tc members paying attention to board stuff... hopefully that's not by design | 20:03 |
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| anteaya | jogo: in 3 hours time? | 20:03 |
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| jogo | anteaya: yes, it is 10PM in Israel | 20:04 |
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| anteaya | ah | 20:05 |
| anteaya | how long are you in israal? | 20:05 |
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| jogo | anteaya: until tomorrow night -- I was here over thanksgiving break for a wedding | 20:05 |
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| anteaya | jogo: nice, I hope you had/are having a good time | 20:05 |
| jogo | anteaya: I did, thanks for asking, it was a fun wedding | 20:06 |
| anteaya | awesome | 20:07 |
| anteaya | :D | 20:07 |
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| clarkb | jhesketh: fungi jeblair you know what I am going to put jenkins07 in shutdown mode now | 20:07 |
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| clarkb | and restart it today. it will be the guinea pig | 20:08 |
| jeblair | clarkb: k | 20:08 |
| openstackgerrit | Davanum Srinivas (dims) proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Print pip freeze before running tox https://review.openstack.org/138514 | 20:08 |
| mtreinish | fungi, clarkb: cool thanks, I think I already have that set in projects.yaml | 20:08 |
| clarkb | I cannot log into the jenkinses | 20:08 |
| clarkb | anyone else want to test that? | 20:08 |
| clarkb | I tried 07 and jenkins.o.o | 20:08 |
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| clarkb | SEVERE: No service element found to match the ClaimedID / OP-endpoint in the assertion. | 20:10 |
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| mtreinish | yeah everything works as expected, it was just a bit slower than I thought | 20:11 |
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| clarkb | mtreinish: logging into jenkins? | 20:11 |
| mtreinish | clarkb: sorry, no I was still talking about update_bug :) | 20:12 |
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| mtreinish | logging into jenkins.o.o worked fine for me fwiw | 20:13 |
| clarkb | mtreinish: thanks | 20:13 |
| clarkb | must be something with my account? | 20:13 |
| openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed openstack-infra/infra-manual: Use "procedures" for creators.rst https://review.openstack.org/138470 | 20:13 |
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| clarkb | morganfainberg: ^ you know openid any idea what that might mean? | 20:14 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/elastic-recheck: Add query for missing oslotest bug 1398500 https://review.openstack.org/138483 | 20:14 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1398500 in openstack-ci "HTTP error 404 while getting oslotest-1.3.0" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1398500 | 20:14 |
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| fungi | clarkb: i too get "Failed to login: Discovered information verification failed." | 20:18 |
| openstackgerrit | Elizabeth K. Joseph proposed openstack-infra/infra-manual: Add source repo to footer https://review.openstack.org/138520 | 20:18 |
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| fungi | clarkb: also we still need a zuul restart. i fell asleep before getting around to it last night | 20:19 |
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| clarkb | Igot into jenkins.o.o but still no luck on 07 | 20:19 |
| fungi | clarkb: i get the same error on 01 | 20:19 |
| clarkb | mtreinish: can you try 07 and 01 | 20:19 |
| fungi | i logged into 04 just fine | 20:20 |
| mtreinish | clarkb: 07 worked for me, I'll try 01 now | 20:20 |
| mtreinish | clarkb: 01 failed with: http://paste.openstack.org/show/143792/ | 20:20 |
| openstackgerrit | Elizabeth K. Joseph proposed openstack-infra/infra-manual: Add source repo to footer https://review.openstack.org/138520 | 20:20 |
| clarkb | mtreinish: ya thats what I get | 20:21 |
| clarkb | so your account is not magical | 20:21 |
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| fungi | 02 works for me, 03 fails | 20:21 |
| mtreinish | oh well, it was nice while it lasted :) | 20:21 |
| clarkb | I wonder if lp openid is derping behind a load balacner? | 20:21 |
| fungi | perhaps it's $RANDOM | 20:21 |
| fungi | yeah, that | 20:21 |
| clarkb | and so source depends on what you hit on backend | 20:21 |
| clarkb | gerrit is fine because its source is constant | 20:21 |
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| clarkb | anteaya: please link that etherpad when ou are ready to have others look at it | 20:23 |
| clarkb | I think the doc change is just about ready to go in | 20:23 |
| clarkb | so announcing is next step | 20:23 |
| anteaya | great | 20:23 |
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| anteaya | open an etherpad for which to put some stuff | 20:23 |
| clarkb | doc change needs jeblair review and I suppose he may get to that after meetings | 20:23 |
| anteaya | I will do that | 20:23 |
| anteaya | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/third-party-accounts-are-self-serve | 20:24 |
| anteaya | here comes content | 20:24 |
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| openstackgerrit | Elizabeth K. Joseph proposed openstack-infra/infra-manual: Add source repo to footer https://review.openstack.org/138520 | 20:28 |
| openstackgerrit | Clark Boylan proposed openstack-infra/infra-manual: Re-approval of change as alternative to recheck https://review.openstack.org/138204 | 20:29 |
| anteaya | rough outline | 20:30 |
| jeblair | jogo: yeah, we have a rename event happening this saturday (announcement should go out soon), so that might be a good time to move hacking into openstack/ | 20:30 |
| anteaya | do fill in as you see fit | 20:30 |
| clarkb | anteaya: I will look as soon as the current crop of doc sprint stuff is off my plate | 20:30 |
| jeblair | sdague: i agree that devstack warrants more planning/notice, so we should probably not aim to include it on saturday :) | 20:31 |
| sdague | jeblair: yeh | 20:31 |
| jogo | jeblair: cool. I don't have any opinion on what namespace hacking should live in, so anything is fine with me. | 20:31 |
| fungi | it's like ripping off a band-aid | 20:31 |
| anteaya | clarkb: fair enough | 20:32 |
| anteaya | clarkb: mostly I created a landing page for real content to happen | 20:32 |
| anteaya | I'm not married to anything I wrote there | 20:32 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/storyboard-webclient: Enable HTTP Caching on resources. https://review.openstack.org/136149 | 20:33 |
| morganfainberg | clarkb: hm? Just reading back scroll was getting lunch. | 20:34 |
| morganfainberg | Also. RAIN IN LA! Yay!! | 20:34 |
| sdague | hmmmmm | 20:34 |
| anteaya | morganfainberg: yay | 20:34 |
| sdague | so here's an interesting fact | 20:34 |
| sdague | apparently ceilometer is not atomically coupled to swift for upgrade | 20:34 |
| sdague | s/not/now/ | 20:34 |
| clarkb | morganfainberg: jenkins openid with lp is failing in weird ways | 20:35 |
| clarkb | there is an error logged in scrollback from jenkins and i have no idea what that means | 20:35 |
| sdague | possibly impated by our non overlapping oslo.utils usage | 20:35 |
| jogo | sdague: that sounds fun | 20:35 |
| morganfainberg | clarkb: weird | 20:35 |
| sdague | dhellmann: you up for helping sort this out? | 20:35 |
| sdague | because this is a new issue | 20:35 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/infra-manual: Use "procedures" for creators.rst https://review.openstack.org/138470 | 20:36 |
| morganfainberg | clarkb: let me take a look at the scrollback here in a moment. | 20:36 |
| sdague | I guess we could also disable ceilometer in grenade | 20:37 |
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| morganfainberg | anteaya: https://twitter.com/mdrnstm/status/539881252468572160 | 20:40 |
| sdague | dhellmann: so this looks like fall out from version caps, not having overlapping supported versions of libraries causes issues | 20:40 |
| openstackgerrit | Sean Dague proposed openstack-infra/devstack-gate: disable ceilometer in grenade runs https://review.openstack.org/138528 | 20:40 |
| sdague | that's maybe a work around, but I have no idea if that will work | 20:41 |
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| sdague | btw, everything is currently blocked on this | 20:41 |
| openstackgerrit | Clark Boylan proposed openstack-infra/infra-manual: Require PyPI credentials when registering projects https://review.openstack.org/138529 | 20:41 |
| openstackgerrit | Clark Boylan proposed openstack-infra/infra-manual: Add infra contact info in creators doc https://review.openstack.org/138530 | 20:41 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jeremy Stanley proposed openstack-infra/infra-manual: Add release management content https://review.openstack.org/138206 | 20:46 |
| morganfainberg | clarkb: looking through the Java impl, it is looking like the service is is null, so not matching the requested assertion's SP. | 20:47 |
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| clarkb | morganfainberg: so the response coming back from lp is leaving out a field? and jenkins is puking? | 20:47 |
| morganfainberg | clarkb: afaict this happens if there is a mismatch on the SP's requested identifier and what the SP is actually looking for. | 20:47 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/infra-manual: Add source repo to footer https://review.openstack.org/138520 | 20:47 |
| openstackgerrit | James E. Blair proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Added gerritbot to openstack-ansible channel https://review.openstack.org/138461 | 20:47 |
| openstackgerrit | James E. Blair proposed openstack-infra/project-config: Add #openstack-ansible to accessbot https://review.openstack.org/138534 | 20:47 |
| clarkb | morganfainberg: what is an SP? | 20:47 |
| morganfainberg | clarkb: or LP is leaving out a field | 20:47 |
| morganfainberg | Service provider. | 20:47 |
| morganfainberg | Eg Jenkins in this case is the SP. | 20:48 |
| clarkb | gotcha | 20:48 |
| morganfainberg | So there might be a mismatch between what is requested when going to LP and what Jenkins is looking for. | 20:48 |
| morganfainberg | Host name? / address? Eg Jenkins looking for "local host" incorrectly. *i think* | 20:49 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config: Fix spelling of OpenStack in the project descriptions of Gerrit https://review.openstack.org/138388 | 20:49 |
| morganfainberg | This looks to be specific error wise to the Java impl, so I'm making some creative leaps. | 20:49 |
| morganfainberg | (The text of the error that is) | 20:50 |
| clarkb | ya | 20:50 |
| clarkb | and it works in some cases | 20:50 |
| morganfainberg | Some hosts vs other hosts? | 20:50 |
| clarkb | so our theory was maybe load balancing is hitting bad backends | 20:50 |
| clarkb | morganfainberg: well jenkins.o.o didn't work for me, then it worked for mtreinish then it worked for me | 20:50 |
| morganfainberg | Yeah. That would be my guess based on the error | 20:50 |
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| morganfainberg | A few of the backends are looking for the wrong SP. but the initial request is valid (or inverse of that, bad on initial request) | 20:51 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/infra-manual: Fill out running jobs with zuul section https://review.openstack.org/138209 | 20:52 |
| morganfainberg | Though my guess is if the initial request was bad, you'd be redirected to the wrong place all together. | 20:53 |
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| clarkb | well it knows I am logged in and what groups I belong to | 20:54 |
| clarkb | so the remote side seems to get enough info | 20:54 |
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| clarkb | maybe they are not rewriting some header or similar on the return path for packets to jenkins? | 20:54 |
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| morganfainberg | Perhaps. | 20:54 |
| morganfainberg | It def sounds like some backends are wonky | 20:54 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/infra-manual: Require PyPI credentials when registering projects https://review.openstack.org/138529 | 20:54 |
| openstackgerrit | Matt Riedemann proposed openstack-infra/elastic-recheck: Add query for grenade/ceilometer/oslo/swift bug 1398561 https://review.openstack.org/138535 | 20:54 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1398561 in swift "pkg_resources.VersionConflict: oslo.config 1.5.0 is installed but oslo.config>=1.4.0,<1.5 is required by ['ceilometer']" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1398561 | 20:54 |
| clarkb | jeblair: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/137240/ would be a good one to review hwen you have a minute | 20:55 |
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| jeblair | clarkb: +2 should i +3? | 20:58 |
| clarkb | jeblair: I think we can +3, then get announcement out today and work on groups tomorrow | 20:59 |
| clarkb | unless you want to have groups in place, then announcement then docs | 20:59 |
| clarkb | I think we can move forward because new accounts should not be voting so they can just use that process | 20:59 |
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| jeblair | clarkb: moving forward as you suggest seems sound | 21:00 |
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| jeblair | clarkb: let's mention this in the cross project meeting too | 21:01 |
| SergeyLukjanov | jeblair, fungi, clarkb, gerrit maintenance announcement http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-December/052031.html | 21:01 |
| clarkb | jeblair: ++ | 21:01 |
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| fungi | thanks SergeyLukjanov! | 21:04 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | fungi, so, I'm going to make an etherpad with all comands before saturday | 21:04 |
| mattoliverau | Morning | 21:04 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/infra-manual: Add release management content https://review.openstack.org/138206 | 21:05 |
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| clarkb | ok looking at third party account announcement etherpad now | 21:06 |
| fungi | SergeyLukjanov: sounds good--i look forward to reviewing it | 21:06 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/elastic-recheck: Add query for grenade/ceilometer/oslo/swift bug 1398561 https://review.openstack.org/138535 | 21:07 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1398561 in swift "pkg_resources.VersionConflict: oslo.config 1.5.0 is installed but oslo.config>=1.4.0,<1.5 is required by ['ceilometer']" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1398561 | 21:07 |
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| SergeyLukjanov | fungi, thx | 21:09 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/system-config: Document new third party self service accounts https://review.openstack.org/137240 | 21:11 |
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| clarkb | anteaya: how does that look? the links I added should work as soon as post jobs for ^ run | 21:12 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config: Add #openstack-ansible to accessbot https://review.openstack.org/138534 | 21:18 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config: Added gerritbot to openstack-ansible channel https://review.openstack.org/138461 | 21:19 |
| dims | sdague: what are the new guidelines for updating oslo lib versions in global requirements? (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138407/) | 21:19 |
| sdague | dims: I don't know, but I don't think that's going to work | 21:19 |
| dims | hehe, fair enough. trying to figure out how/when we should log reviews | 21:20 |
| clarkb | ya you can't | 21:20 |
| clarkb | at the very least it should be one dep per review | 21:20 |
| sdague | per project meeting - someone needs to actually sort out a coherent requirements model of the world | 21:20 |
| sdague | otherwise we need to go and revert the caps | 21:20 |
| dims | clarkb: i don't think that's the problem | 21:20 |
| clarkb | dims: its part of it | 21:21 |
| clarkb | because it means you can't stagger in | 21:21 |
| sdague | but more importantly, I think not having overlap is going to cause craziness | 21:21 |
| clarkb | also everyone knows that by virtue of the > you get the new versions | 21:22 |
| clarkb | you don't need that change to use the new versions | 21:22 |
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| clarkb | you only need it if you need new features | 21:22 |
| dims | sdague: one reason i logged that was to make sure i can update nova so that the minesweeper CI would run the correct/new version of oslo.vmware | 21:22 |
| clarkb | dims: it should by default because > | 21:23 |
| sdague | yeh, we need to stop uplifting | 21:23 |
| dims | clarkb: checking | 21:23 |
| sdague | if you want a specific CI to test a specific version, just pip install that in advance | 21:23 |
| sdague | as long as it's compatible, it's fine | 21:23 |
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| dhellmann | clarkb: but we also want to express the requirements when we add new features to libraries, so while we don't always need to raise the min sometimes we really do | 21:23 |
| sdague | requirements is a bounding box | 21:23 |
| dhellmann | and apparently now we can't? | 21:24 |
| clarkb | dhellmann: right you onl need that if you need the features | 21:24 |
| dhellmann | did I make the caps too low? | 21:24 |
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| clarkb | dhellmann: you don't need it for say minesweeper to do a thing | 21:24 |
| dhellmann | clarkb: right, which is something we'll be having, so we need to make it work | 21:24 |
| sdague | dhellmann: well it looks like the current policy is that there is no overlap between supported oslo.config for juno and kilo, for instance | 21:24 |
| sdague | sorry, oslo.utils | 21:24 |
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| sdague | that's that current proposal | 21:24 |
| sdague | if that is true.... you've just made upgrades terrible | 21:25 |
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| sdague | because now all services have to upgrade at once | 21:25 |
| dhellmann | well, I don't know if that's true | 21:25 |
| clarkb | sdague: or install in per service venvs | 21:25 |
| sdague | sure, or never use a linux distro | 21:25 |
| sdague | so we can have that argument separately | 21:26 |
| dhellmann | yeah, I don't care about any of that, I just want to understand how to ratchet the requirements up | 21:26 |
| sdague | but having no overlap means you've now coupled everything to everything | 21:26 |
| dhellmann | do we go move the cap on the stable branch first, for example? | 21:26 |
| clarkb | dhellmann: bumping it up means that during an upgrade you have to shutdown everything, upgrade everything, then start things | 21:26 |
| dims | clarkb: devstack does not do "-U" to pull the latest from what i can tell - http://208.91.1.172/logs/121956/16/devstacklog.txt.gz | 21:27 |
| clarkb | dims: it doesn't need to | 21:27 |
| dhellmann | clarkb: I promise you I understand the problem. Can we talk about the fix? | 21:27 |
| clarkb | dims: if you do a fresh install which ou should because crazy otherwise | 21:27 |
| clarkb | dims: then you always get the latest thing | 21:27 |
| clarkb | dhellmann: that is the fix | 21:27 |
| dhellmann | clarkb: so we never change the requirements ever again and depend on pip to do the right thing and the distros to somehow know which version we really want? | 21:27 |
| clarkb | I really don't think there is any other way around it if we accept lifting cross project dependencies across releases | 21:27 |
| clarkb | dhellmann: no | 21:28 |
| clarkb | dhellmann: you just say you can't upgrade in the way sdague wants to upgrade | 21:28 |
| clarkb | document how to upgrade | 21:28 |
| clarkb | and move on | 21:28 |
| fungi | dhellmann: i think our lockstep-avoidance guarantee is per major release, so should be able to use some combination of juno stuff and kilo stuff for as long as both juno and kilo are supported | 21:28 |
| dhellmann | clarkb: ok, well, I'm not sure that's really an answer either | 21:28 |
| dhellmann | fungi: right, that's what I'm thinking -- maybe we raise the caps on juno | 21:28 |
| sdague | dhellmann: so that means uncapping right? | 21:28 |
| dhellmann | sdague: not completely | 21:29 |
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| dhellmann | sdague: maybe those should be <= instead of < | 21:29 |
| clarkb | it means you should cap only on incompat barriers | 21:29 |
| dhellmann | and then the min for kilo is this first set of releases | 21:29 |
| notmyname | when are the changes to testing being implemented? | 21:29 |
| dhellmann | clarkb: we capped because we couldn't predict where those would be | 21:29 |
| dhellmann | so maybe we do uncap, and then just add caps when things break | 21:29 |
| clarkb | dhellmann: sure, so I described how to fix this with those requirments | 21:30 |
| clarkb | I personally am a fan of never capping | 21:30 |
| clarkb | because knowing when you are broken and fixing it is btter | 21:30 |
| dhellmann | clarkb: I will send the screamers to talk to you | 21:30 |
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| clarkb | they already scream at me | 21:30 |
| dhellmann | cool | 21:30 |
| sdague | clarkb: if you give me force push authority to requirements to fast fix things, I'm sort of ok with that | 21:30 |
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| dhellmann | what fix are you applying? | 21:30 |
| clarkb | notmyname: what changes to testing? sorry don't know that I have enough context | 21:30 |
| fungi | part of this is projects wanting to have hard dependencies on new features of libraries rather than degrading gracefully. yes the latter is more work, but makes for a far smoother upgrade | 21:31 |
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| notmyname | clarkb: the one sdague proposed to limit what's tested against what | 21:31 |
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| dhellmann | fungi: that's true | 21:31 |
| notmyname | *ones | 21:31 |
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| clarkb | notmyname: they have been going in piece by piece | 21:31 |
| fungi | "take advantage of this new feature" should ideally happen at least a release prior to "no longer work without this new feature"\ | 21:31 |
| clarkb | so a lot of the client stuff is done and now I think some changes are up to do eg swift and other servers | 21:31 |
| notmyname | kk | 21:32 |
| notmyname | thanks | 21:32 |
| sdague | notmyname: mostly it needs reviews - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/137184/ | 21:32 |
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| sdague | clarkb / fungi you guys could review it :) | 21:32 |
| fungi | sdague: guess what change i just started reviewing ;) | 21:32 |
| sdague | :) | 21:32 |
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| * fungi is event driven | 21:32 | |
| dhellmann | sdague: should I propose a revert of the cap patch in stable/juno requirements? | 21:32 |
| sdague | dhellmann: I don't know. Honestly, this is probably dragon #1 | 21:33 |
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| notmyname | sdague: we've got 3 core and one contributor from swift who have added a +1 to that patch. what else can we do to help it along? :-) | 21:33 |
| sdague | we still don't have a volunteer on driving this right? | 21:33 |
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| dhellmann | sdague: driving the requirements thing? I thought we were doing that. | 21:33 |
| clarkb | notmyname: we are sprinting today and yestday and had holiday so mostly just need to not be swamped with other things | 21:33 |
| sdague | dhellmann: I'm very much not | 21:34 |
| notmyname | clarkb: unpossible! | 21:34 |
| dhellmann | sdague: ok, well then we should just have kept doing alpha releases I guess, because it was working even if everyone hates the letter 'a' | 21:34 |
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| clarkb | no alphas come with other problems. I think we have two very concrete solutions here | 21:35 |
| sdague | I kind of feel like there needs to be a spec about all these implications, because the whole picture is hard to keep in ones head, especially the upgrade implications | 21:35 |
| clarkb | which are "stop capping because caps are terrible" or "only support forklift upgrades" | 21:35 |
| dhellmann | sdague: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138546/ | 21:35 |
| sdague | clarkb: ok, so in this particular case there was a grenade work around from grizzly that was hurting us - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138538/ | 21:36 |
| sdague | but it exposes an issue with the fact that we do install / uninstall oslo.config a couple of times due to the incompatibilities | 21:36 |
| clarkb | sdague: and you avoid that by uncapping | 21:37 |
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| clarkb | or at least being flexible enough in caps that you can move forward | 21:37 |
| sdague | clarkb: sure | 21:37 |
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| clarkb | if however the cap is literally for juno>=1.0,<1.1 for kilo>=1.1,<1.2 you have basically said only forklifts are allowed | 21:38 |
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| sdague | right | 21:38 |
| sdague | that's the thing we can't have | 21:38 |
| clarkb | since we only ever allow going from N-1 to N you have to do at least juno>=1.0,<1.2 kilo>=1.1,<1.3 and so forth | 21:38 |
| sdague | right | 21:39 |
| fungi | i think part of the problem is that we moved forward with the assumption that we could add new features or api-breaking changes in libs but we haven't yet gotten sufficient tests into place which insure we're insulated from them, nor solutions implemented to solve things like the client library dual-use issue | 21:39 |
| clarkb | that certainly makes things worse | 21:39 |
| fungi | new features are fine if we have jobs which prevent other libraries used in the stable test chain from implementing hard dependencies on them | 21:40 |
| fungi | and we need to consider "adds new requirement" as an api breaking change i think | 21:40 |
| clarkb | they are also fine as long as we are backward compat for N-1 | 21:40 |
| fungi | since python packaging doesn't really have a solid implementation for optional requirements | 21:40 |
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| fungi | well, i think arbitrarily growing the requirements list for stable releases indicates a hole we haven't properly plugged | 21:41 |
| clarkb | I don't | 21:41 |
| clarkb | because you ahve to deal with bugs | 21:41 |
| clarkb | and that means requirements updates | 21:42 |
| clarkb | in somewhat arbitrary ways beacuse python | 21:42 |
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| fungi | except we _very_ rarely add new requirements to fix a stable-backport bug. most of the time they're creeping in because a new version of a lib wants them to implement some new feature | 21:42 |
| clarkb | agreed, I think you need to handle both things | 21:43 |
| clarkb | which is :/ | 21:43 |
| fungi | even then, i don't think adding a new dependency is really a sane solution to provide for a stable backport. distros can't really consume that "fix" | 21:44 |
| clarkb | it is if they already have it packaged | 21:44 |
| clarkb | it would be a machinery fix that would have to accomodate distros | 21:44 |
| fungi | okay, that's a valid point... | 21:44 |
| fungi | however, far more scrutiny needed over stable requirements changes | 21:45 |
| sdague | so the crux of this is we don't really have a "how do you upgrade openstack" policy. We have a minimum amount of upgrade functionality as enforced by whatever is in grenade, but it's definitely minimal | 21:45 |
| clarkb | sdague: yup | 21:45 |
| sdake | anyone have ideas of what is going on with oslo.test | 21:45 |
| sdake | http://logs.openstack.org/80/138280/6/check/gate-magnum-python27/a0d4afe/console.html | 21:45 |
| clarkb | sdake: yes bandersnatch failed to update it beacuse lol | 21:45 |
| clarkb | now fixed | 21:45 |
| sdake | cool so the gate should be working now? It just failed about 10 seconds ago | 21:46 |
| clarkb | oh its happening again? | 21:46 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/infra-manual: Re-approval of change as alternative to recheck https://review.openstack.org/138204 | 21:46 |
| clarkb | clearly I should read the logs | 21:46 |
| sdake | seems tto be | 21:46 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/infra-manual: Add infra contact info in creators doc https://review.openstack.org/138530 | 21:46 |
| sdague | clarkb: well there were more things released | 21:46 |
| sdake | HTTP error 404 while getting http://pypi.IAD.openstack.org/packages/py2.py3/o/oslotest/oslotest-1.3.0-py2.py3-none-any.whl#md5=8bbde802d5a2beb79efe5752b9349b22 (from http://pypi.IAD.openstack.org/simple/oslotest/) | 21:46 |
| sdake | I think that is the crux of it | 21:46 |
| clarkb | WTF | 21:47 |
| sdague | sdake: if you click on the date on the left you get an anchor | 21:47 |
| clarkb | fungi: so I have a shell open that clearly shows the whl is ther | 21:47 |
| clarkb | fungi: but a new ls says its gone | 21:47 |
| clarkb | is it possible the full sync synced us back to broken? | 21:47 |
| clarkb | that would be AWESOME | 21:47 |
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| clarkb | but its only missing on iad | 21:48 |
| jeblair | oh right, i was going to afs this week :/ | 21:48 |
| jeblair | <sigh> plans | 21:48 |
| sdake | sdague could you clarify - I dont understand | 21:49 |
| clarkb | I am going to rewget for now | 21:49 |
| fungi | clarkb: you | 21:49 |
| fungi | er | 21:49 |
| sdague | sdake: http://logs.openstack.org/80/138280/6/check/gate-magnum-python27/a0d4afe/console.html#_2014-12-02_21_39_36_777 | 21:49 |
| clarkb | so whl is back on iad mirror | 21:49 |
| fungi | you're sure you added it manually on iad and then after the full sync it was missing again? | 21:49 |
| clarkb | fungi: I have scrollback I can copy pasta | 21:50 |
| clarkb | but ya | 21:50 |
| fungi | no need, just confirming i understood what you were saying | 21:50 |
| fungi | so... yeah. weird. i have not seen that before | 21:50 |
| fungi | was there another oslotest release maybe? | 21:50 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-dev/pbr: Packagers vs package maintainers https://review.openstack.org/138394 | 21:51 |
| clarkb | basically it went `ls #file missing ; wget file ; ls #file there ; mv generation and status file ; check sync is running ; ls # this is the one I just ran file is missing` | 21:51 |
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| sdague | fungi: can you promote 138538,1 | 21:52 |
| sdague | that should unwedge us | 21:52 |
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| fungi | sdague: checking | 21:53 |
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| fungi | sdague: done | 21:54 |
| sdague | thanks | 21:54 |
| clarkb | the other 3 mirrors haven't done that | 21:54 |
| sdague | I'm about to drop off for the evening. However as seen in the first round of test results, that will resolve the current issue that all projects are bouncing off of. | 21:55 |
| notmyname | fungi: clarkb: thanks :-) | 21:55 |
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| sdake | sdague where the is the control to make that yellow box? | 21:56 |
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| clarkb | though iad i the only one that seems "caught" up | 21:56 |
| sdague | it's based on the dates | 21:56 |
| mtreinish | sdake: the timestamps are links to do that | 21:56 |
| sdake | got it | 21:56 |
| sdague | so every line with the same timestamp gets highlighted | 21:56 |
| sdake | would be sweet if I could click over it and it set the url | 21:56 |
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| sdake | anyway work for later ;-) | 21:56 |
| sdague | patches welcomed :) | 21:56 |
| sdague | os-loganalyze project | 21:57 |
| dstufft | fungi: clarkb so | 21:57 |
| clarkb | I don't think we want that project getting any user input fwiw | 21:57 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/project-config: adjust swift testing definitions to things that actually test swift https://review.openstack.org/137184 | 21:57 |
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| dstufft | fungi: clarkb remember the PyPI side error condition I talked about? | 21:57 |
| clarkb | beacuse it will hopefully be swiftified at some point | 21:57 |
| clarkb | dstufft: ya | 21:57 |
| sdague | clarkb: it's all javascript | 21:57 |
| clarkb | sdague: I guess I didn't grok "set the url" then | 21:57 |
| sdague | so being backend swift wouldn't impact it | 21:57 |
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| sdague | set the url after # | 21:58 |
| dstufft | that response gets cached, so fastly can cache a JSON representation that includes an OLD set of data with a NEW serial | 21:58 |
| sdague | which is in page nav | 21:58 |
| dstufft | I think it gets cached for like a day or so | 21:58 |
| clarkb | dstufft: \o/ | 21:58 |
| dstufft | clarkb: so if it's cached, it's entirely possible that you have bandersnatch deleting the .whl file | 21:59 |
| sdake | sdague I'd love to help, but my webfu is not good :( | 21:59 |
| dstufft | because the JSON says it shouldn't exist | 21:59 |
| sdake | I can barely handle all this newfangled rest api stuff | 21:59 |
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| clarkb | dstufft: rgr | 21:59 |
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| openstackgerrit | James E. Blair proposed openstack-infra/infra-manual: Add instructions to set team owners in LP https://review.openstack.org/138558 | 22:00 |
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| dstufft | clarkb: https://i.imgur.com/QKgd7ld.png not an entirely wrong graph of how this all works | 22:01 |
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| clarkb | sdague: I parsed as make a friendlier url. now I reparse as set highlight on lines I want | 22:01 |
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| clarkb | and yes should do that | 22:01 |
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| clarkb | jeblair: fungi pleia2 SergeyLukjanov jhesketh https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/third-party-accounts-are-self-serve any more feedback on that? | 22:02 |
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| * clarkb notes that the ci.openstack.org third party page has not updated yet. the post queue is backed up | 22:02 | |
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| clarkb | and jenkins07 refuses my auth | 22:04 |
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| anteaya | ah was wondering about the delay, didn't dig though | 22:04 |
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| jeblair | clarkb: i think we need some instructions on what project release members will do | 22:04 |
| clarkb | oh good point | 22:04 |
| jeblair | clarkb: we may need to create the groups first, then send this announcement | 22:05 |
| jeblair | otherwise that may be confusing :) | 22:05 |
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| clarkb | do we? | 22:05 |
| clarkb | I dunno maybe we do. Mikal is a smart person, but saying there will be a group when there is no group is probably not good | 22:05 |
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| anteaya | mikal: so do we have enough feedback to say nova-drivers will deal with this? | 22:06 |
| anteaya | and we can name them in the email? | 22:06 |
| clarkb | anteaya: no | 22:06 |
| anteaya | okay | 22:06 |
| clarkb | anteaya: I am not going to special case anything right now | 22:06 |
| anteaya | ah okay | 22:06 |
| clarkb | I think its better to just get it does with -release groups since everyone has one of those | 22:06 |
| clarkb | ok so if I am going to create groups first I should think about that. | 22:07 |
| clarkb | jeblair: fungi anteaya I don't think manage-projects is the right place for that | 22:07 |
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| clarkb | jeblair: fungi anteaya or is it and we create that group for all projects? | 22:07 |
| jhesketh | clarkb: will look shortly | 22:07 |
| anteaya | clarkb: hmmm, good question | 22:08 |
| anteaya | I don't know | 22:08 |
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| clarkb | we can make it a projects.yaml property | 22:08 |
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| clarkb | with two pieces of info, the name of the voting group, and the name of the group that owns the voting group | 22:09 |
| clarkb | let me see what that looks like | 22:09 |
| clarkb | or we can manage it by hand | 22:09 |
| anteaya | I was picuring by hand, but let's see how ugly it looks as a change | 22:09 |
| * anteaya is trying to use her words correctly | 22:09 | |
| sdague | clarkb: one last thing before I drop, can we confirm that hacking 0.9.4 is being used in the unit tests? - https://jenkins03.openstack.org/job/gate-nova-pep8/9271/console | 22:10 |
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| clarkb | sdague: http://pypi.ord.openstack.org/simple/hacking/ its not there so no | 22:11 |
| dims | clarkb: would this help print the pip freeze? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138514/ before we run pep8? | 22:11 |
| sdague | clarkb: hmmm... how long does it take to get there? | 22:11 |
| jeblair | clarkb: why do we have project-testers and project-testers-voting? | 22:12 |
| clarkb | jeblair: we don't we should only have the -voting group | 22:12 |
| clarkb | jeblair: that was the decision in last weeks meeting at least | 22:12 |
| clarkb | sdague: should get there when bandersnatch catches up | 22:13 |
| jeblair | clarkb: ok, etherpad did not get updated :) | 22:13 |
| clarkb | jeblair: no we switched to the docs change | 22:13 |
| mikal | anteaya: I think clarkb just answered for me? | 22:13 |
| mtreinish | sdague: heh, the last 2 times I pushed new releases of something fungi had to manually sync a region's mirror to get things working | 22:13 |
| fungi | clarkb: i don't get the manage-projects question... shouldn't we just amend the relevant project acls (i suppose we guess at which ones those are and then people can adjust their own acls to add new ones as needed)? | 22:13 |
| sdague | clarkb: ok, I blocked some other work arounds based on the assumption that release fix was going to be quick | 22:13 |
| sdague | because that's also breaking the world :) | 22:14 |
| clarkb | fungi: that only solves part of the problem. we need to set ownership to not be self owned then add the group to the larger voting ci group | 22:14 |
| jeblair | fungi: i don't think we would expect people to ajust these acls, instead it should all be group based | 22:14 |
| clarkb | fungi: and I was just going to start with that then people can adjust acls | 22:14 |
| clarkb | if they want | 22:14 |
| jeblair | clarkb: what adjustment would they want to make? | 22:14 |
| fungi | jeblair: er, the acls are per-project because the groups are per-project, right? | 22:15 |
| clarkb | jeblair: if they want to restrict the group of voters to only their group | 22:15 |
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| anteaya | mikal: it appears so | 22:15 |
| clarkb | jeblair: right now its all voting ci voting wherever | 22:15 |
| clarkb | which is status quo before and after proposed changes | 22:15 |
| jeblair | clarkb: oh, i thought that was the point of all this :) | 22:16 |
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| clarkb | the point is to make it so that I don't have to answer 50 emails a week | 22:16 |
| jeblair | clarkb: where can i read the most recent version of the entire proposal? :) | 22:16 |
| mikal | anteaya: but yes, my take on it is that at least 4/6 nova-drivers are on board with using that group as the third party ci control group for nova | 22:16 |
| clarkb | jeblair: in the docs change you approved | 22:16 |
| fungi | i assume (perhaps wrongly) that there needs rto be a transitional period where members of the existing blanket voting group will be left in place and then per-project groups will need to be populated by the ptls or their delegates based on which systems they expect to see voting on those projects | 22:16 |
| mikal | If that just means the group clarkb creates has nova-specs-core (the actual group name) in it, then that would be an easy solution | 22:16 |
| clarkb | it covers permissions there | 22:16 |
| anteaya | mikal: thanks I will stow that information until it can be abused in the proper way | 22:16 |
| anteaya | mikal: my thanks to you and the responding 4/6 | 22:17 |
| mikal | NP | 22:17 |
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| mikal | anteaya: we'll get more responses when the other two wake up... Its late in the UK IIRC. | 22:17 |
| jeblair | clarkb: your docs change doesn't address this | 22:17 |
| anteaya | kk | 22:17 |
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| clarkb | it should under permissions let me go read | 22:17 |
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| clarkb | oh I see it didn't talk about voting everywhere vs voting on specific projects | 22:18 |
| notmyname | did I see someone talking earlier about the ceilometer dependency bug? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bug/1398561 | 22:18 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1398561 in swift "pkg_resources.VersionConflict: oslo.config 1.5.0 is installed but oslo.config>=1.4.0,<1.5 is required by ['ceilometer']" [Undecided,New] | 22:18 |
| clarkb | we did cover that in the meeting though | 22:19 |
| clarkb | basically nothing changes immediately. everyone can vote everywhere. then over time projects could set up exclusive permissions for verified +/-1 on their project | 22:19 |
| jeblair | clarkb: wow, i think that's backwards | 22:19 |
| clarkb | its what we said in the meeting.. | 22:20 |
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| clarkb | the important bit is we are minimizing the diff | 22:20 |
| jeblair | clarkb: where? i've been trying to find where we talked about that in the meeting | 22:20 |
| openstackgerrit | Sean Dague proposed openstack-infra/elastic-recheck: add query for hacking vs. oslo.concurrency https://review.openstack.org/138560 | 22:20 |
| clarkb | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2014/infra.2014-11-25-19.01.log.txt 19:04 | 22:21 |
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| jeblair | clarkb: that's just a link to the start of the meeting | 22:21 |
| clarkb | and a timestamp | 22:21 |
| jeblair | i've been reading it for 5 minutes and can't find that decision | 22:21 |
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| jeblair | clarkb: the timestamp is the start of the meeting | 22:22 |
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| clarkb | http://paste.openstack.org/show/143840/ | 22:22 |
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| clarkb | fungi: agreed ; jeblair: that seems reasonable | 22:22 |
| jeblair | clarkb: yeah, then we had like 20 minutes where we talked about revising everything | 22:22 |
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| clarkb | that wasn't revised | 22:22 |
| clarkb | revisions were don't need a non voting group | 22:23 |
| clarkb | and talk about who should own the voting groups | 22:23 |
| fungi | so the idea was that we could implement self-service account creation now, but add groups to give projects control over granting them voting rights | 22:23 |
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| fungi | newly created accounts won't be getting voting rights straight away anyway | 22:24 |
| clarkb | then later 9:25:22 <jeblair> clarkb: that sounds good; easy enough to change, especially since there's no complicated acls (yet) | 22:24 |
| fungi | which gives the projects some time to sets the members they want in those groups | 22:24 |
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| fungi | so the two things happen in parallel, but one isn't explicitly waiting on the other | 22:25 |
| clarkb | that is in response to ownership but falls into line on not changing acls upfront | 22:25 |
| jeblair | the word "exclusive" never appears in the irc log | 22:25 |
| clarkb | jeblair: no it was refering to what I said in the etherpad | 22:25 |
| clarkb | jeblair: which maybe should have been more explicit | 22:25 |
| jeblair | clarkb: right, but as we've recently learned, most of the info in the etherpad was superceded and is currently wrong | 22:25 |
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| clarkb | but not that | 22:26 |
| jeblair | trying to keep all this straight over an outdated etherpad, a meeting log, and a docs change is quite frustrating | 22:26 |
| clarkb | I understand I should've kept an up to date etherpad with running changes | 22:26 |
| jeblair | let's try to get it back on track | 22:26 |
| clarkb | I have an arrow pointing to the bit in the current etherpad. Before we go on though do people think that updating the ACLs upfront is something we should do? | 22:27 |
| clarkb | and if so what is the argument for that? | 22:27 |
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| jeblair | i want to take a different approach | 22:27 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack-infra/elastic-recheck: add query for hacking vs. oslo.concurrency https://review.openstack.org/138560 | 22:28 |
| jeblair | i believe that the end state of this system should be that each project manages who can vote on it (exclusively) | 22:28 |
| jeblair | there may be intermediate steps, but do we agree that is the end goal? | 22:28 |
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| clarkb | that was never a goal for me no. My goal was to maintain current level of "service" with self serve accounts | 22:28 |
| clarkb | I think that if we want that to be an eventual end goal it is completely independent of the work here | 22:29 |
| jeblair | clarkb: who grants global voting permissions then? | 22:29 |
| jeblair | clarkb: that's currently us. | 22:29 |
| clarkb | jeblair: in proxy for the projects | 22:29 |
| clarkb | jeblair: the projects say yes make that account voting | 22:29 |
| clarkb | so we would just be removing the proxy | 22:29 |
| fungi | i saw separate project control over voting rights as an eventual end goal, with the expectation that whatever we do next shouldn't make that harder to achieve (and ideally should make it easier) | 22:29 |
| clarkb | I certainly have never made something voting without the projects go ahead | 22:29 |
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| fungi | clarkb: except indirectly you have, since making something voting in the current situation allows it to vote on all projects when we only really consulted one | 22:30 |
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| clarkb | fungi: right, we sort of hand waved and made people be nice | 22:30 |
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| clarkb | and when they weren't we disabled them | 22:30 |
| jeblair | and that's one of the problems we want to solve | 22:30 |
| clarkb | sure, but we can solve that later | 22:31 |
| jeblair | that's a significant source of the 50 emails a day burden you mentioned | 22:31 |
| clarkb | I don't want to couple these things together otherwise its twice as much work | 22:31 |
| jeblair | clarkb: i'm not sure it is | 22:31 |
| fungi | i see making people voting/non-voting and having to disable them because they accidentally voted on things they weren't expected to as things we can avoid wasting our time on in the future, if this is done right | 22:31 |
| clarkb | jeblair: it sort of is because there is an event horizon involved withthat | 22:31 |
| clarkb | jeblair: where once we cross over third party ci breaks until we fix it | 22:31 |
| clarkb | maintaining status quo doesn't have that problem | 22:32 |
| clarkb | it is a smoother transition | 22:32 |
| jeblair | clarkb: we can create voting groups for all projects, pre-populate them, and turn management of them over to project-release groups | 22:32 |
| fungi | we should be able to have a transitional period where the all-projects and per-project permissions for vervy -1..+1 are acumulative, right? | 22:32 |
| fungi | er, cumulative | 22:32 |
| clarkb | fungi: yes that exactly the situation I want | 22:32 |
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| jeblair | or we could do it that way | 22:32 |
| jeblair | and say that after a certain date, we remove the global ones | 22:33 |
| fungi | that would allow the projects to populate those groups so that we don't have to | 22:33 |
| * fungi is all for less work for us | 22:33 | |
| jeblair | i think that having an intermediate state with exclusive acls is something that we should strongly avoid (it's very confusing and will make a mess) | 22:33 |
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| jeblair | i also think that if we just pre-populated the groups, then it's pretty straightforward from the get-go -- you want a system to stop voting, you remove it | 22:34 |
| jeblair | (otherwise we have a period where removing something from the voting group does nothing) | 22:34 |
| clarkb | jeblair: right thats the situation I describe | 22:34 |
| clarkb | I guess I am no longer sure about why there is confusion | 22:34 |
| clarkb | the acls come later | 22:34 |
| clarkb | control over who votes comes now | 22:34 |
| jeblair | clarkb: what instructions would you give the current members of $project-release ? | 22:35 |
| fungi | so the questions i think need answering there are 1. for which projects do we create these groups, and 2. which accounts go in each group? i can see a couple possible ways forward on each | 22:35 |
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| clarkb | jeblair: add and remove members of the project-voting-testers group as appropriate for your project voting requirements | 22:35 |
| jeblair | clarkb: but they do not need to be added in order to vote and removing them will not disallow them from voting | 22:36 |
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| clarkb | jeblair: yes they do | 22:36 |
| clarkb | why wouldn't they need to be added to vote? | 22:36 |
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| clarkb | fungi: for 1. would start with projects that have third party ci voting against them. Was going to build a list via gerrit comment scraping | 22:37 |
| jeblair | clarkb: because you are proposing that the current voting group remain in effect? | 22:37 |
| openstackgerrit | Anita Kuno proposed openstack-infra/infra-manual: Creates a sandbox repo tutorial https://review.openstack.org/138195 | 22:38 |
| clarkb | fungi: for 2. which accounts go in which to start would be based on the scrape, then would be up to individual projects | 22:38 |
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| clarkb | jeblair: but only as a collection point for the subgroups | 22:38 |
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| clarkb | there would be no direct members after the initial move | 22:38 |
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| clarkb | this is the thing that makes existing acls work | 22:39 |
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| anteaya | nova, neutron, cinder (which programs do we create this) | 22:39 |
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| clarkb | at this point we have mostly the same thing we have today | 22:39 |
| clarkb | then we can worry about exclusive acls and so on | 22:39 |
| clarkb | at least that was my plan | 22:39 |
| clarkb | I wanted this to be about self service accounts, not a complete ACL overhaul to do a thing we want in that space | 22:39 |
| fungi | clarkb: yep, options seemed to be that, or going by who had registered their accounts and which projects they were testing in the wiki, or shotgun the current membership to each group and let the teams remove the members they didn't care about | 22:39 |
| jeblair | clarkb: that's fine, except that if we're going to the projects and asking them to take on work, then we need to be more careful | 22:40 |
| jeblair | i'm okay with us changing our workflow, i'm not okay making it confusing to projects, or going to them more than once with a change like this | 22:40 |
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| clarkb | we wouldn't need to go to them more than once | 22:40 |
| anteaya | mmedvede: where are you located? | 22:41 |
| jeblair | clarkb: can you outline the steps of this process on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/third-party-openid-accounts ? | 22:41 |
| clarkb | once all the groups are happily managed by individuaul projects we can just add in the exclusive verified acls and everything will continue to work | 22:41 |
| jhesketh | clarkb, anteaya: that self-service announce email lgtm :-) | 22:43 |
| fungi | clarkb: i think exclusive will mean that we give them individual control over whether zuul can -1..+1 as well, yeah? | 22:43 |
| anteaya | jhesketh: thanks, we are just discussing it | 22:43 |
| jeblair | fungi: which we are absolutely not going to do :) | 22:44 |
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| fungi | perhaps exclusive is less useful, and simply clearing out the global voting third-party ci group is the answer to that | 22:44 |
| fungi | when the time comes to flip that switch | 22:44 |
| clarkb | fungi: hrm it might | 22:45 |
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| clarkb | fungi: agreed exclusive not what we want | 22:45 |
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| clarkb | instead clear out global reqs | 22:45 |
| jeblair | clarkb: did i add the acl step in the right place? | 22:46 |
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| clarkb | I think one line lower is slightly better but its fine there | 22:47 |
| clarkb | even better with strikethrough | 22:47 |
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| clarkb | oh I see no in my plan it happens at arbitrary point in the future | 22:48 |
| clarkb | because I don't think we need both things at the same time | 22:48 |
| jeblair | yeah, i'm pushing for right now because i don't think the interim time is useful | 22:48 |
| clarkb | its useful for getting self service accounts working right now | 22:48 |
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| clarkb | and separately worrying about ACLs | 22:48 |
| jeblair | i think as long as we have that list of who votes where, we can just make the groups, give them acls, then drop the global third party voting group | 22:48 |
| jeblair | oh i see | 22:49 |
| jeblair | okay, yeah, my line about acls did not belong in your plan | 22:49 |
| jeblair | i think now i understand yours | 22:49 |
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| jeblair | but i'm still going to advocate for mine -- because i think in yours we have a period where the behavior of the project-testers-voting group is not what we want it to finally be | 22:50 |
| clarkb | it isn't, but it is essentially the behavior we have today | 22:50 |
| jeblair | clarkb: we have to tell people that adding a system to project-testers means adding it to all projects, and then come back later and say, now we made it for each project | 22:50 |
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| fungi | so i saw clarkb's plan as separate (but related) changes announced at separate times first to the third-party testers, then to the project leads | 22:50 |
| jeblair | fungi: that makes sense | 22:51 |
| jeblair | so basically we don't tell the release team about the new group they manage until later | 22:51 |
| jeblair | the problem is that the ci docs now say that they should ask $project team for voting rights | 22:51 |
| * anteaya notes that it is k-1, so for screaming from third party now is the time, rahter than xmas or k-2 | 22:51 | |
| jeblair | which means we are telling them | 22:51 |
| fungi | where the alternative proposal is all at once, with a deadline to get things shaped up in the project-specific groups before voting stops being globally permitted | 22:51 |
| clarkb | jeblair: well we already said ask them in the past | 22:52 |
| clarkb | I guess that is why I think this is a valid intermediate step. Nothing really changes other than being able to get an account via openid | 22:52 |
| fungi | right, current established process is ask project teams for voting rights, and have those teams tell us to add/remove them | 22:52 |
| clarkb | then we refine | 22:52 |
| jeblair | clarkb: we're changing what we're asking project drivers to do | 22:52 |
| anteaya | clarkb: we said do that, but they didn't and the projects having been keeping up either | 22:53 |
| jeblair | clarkb: currently we ask them to tell us "yes". you're going to ask them to add systems to a group that gives them global voting rights. we want them to add them to a group that gives them local voting rights. | 22:53 |
| clarkb | jeblair: but that yes is in proxy the same thing | 22:53 |
| jeblair | clarkb: i do not want to have to explain that to people | 22:53 |
| clarkb | I guess I don't really get the distinction there (other thanthe mechanism) | 22:53 |
| jeblair | clarkb: because we either tell them we're changing the process twice or we lie to them | 22:54 |
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| clarkb | the process doesn't change for the "drivers" though | 22:54 |
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| jeblair | i don't want to say "add systems to this group and it will give them global voting rights, so be careful. but next week we'll make it so that it only gives them local voting rights" | 22:54 |
| clarkb | it only changes twice once each for different people | 22:54 |
| fungi | i agree that we should go from current (teams ask us to add/remove) process to desired (teams directly add/remove for only the projects in their control) process | 22:54 |
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| clarkb | er sorry doesn't change twice for the drives | 22:55 |
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| clarkb | jeblair: oh I don't think we need to say be careful | 22:55 |
| clarkb | because thats status quo | 22:55 |
| jeblair | i think we can go straight to the end goal without any more work overall | 22:55 |
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| clarkb | it will just take longer for self service accounts | 22:56 |
| clarkb | which we can do | 22:56 |
| fungi | i think there is some assumed lag for voting rights with newly-created ci accounts anyway | 22:56 |
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| clarkb | fungi: right but we are already a month or so behind | 22:56 |
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| clarkb | anyways I need to eat since I haven't done that yet. I am fine doing it either way. My intent was to get self service accounts done asap though | 22:57 |
| jeblair | i feel like we can still do this this week | 22:57 |
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| fungi | i still think within the next day or two is doable | 22:57 |
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| fungi | i also have a 100 lb television to hang about 6' up a wall, so afk for a bit | 22:58 |
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| jeblair | the really critical thing is to decide on what the group name is. project-testers-voting, project-voting-testers, (i've seen both) or just project-testers? | 22:59 |
| clarkb | maybe project-ci if we want to stick with semi existing standards | 23:00 |
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| fungi | "voting" is redundant i think | 23:02 |
| anteaya | project-testers-voting implies to me there is a non-voting group somewhere | 23:02 |
| clarkb | right, it wasn't before but now is | 23:02 |
| clarkb | anteaya: ya | 23:02 |
| anteaya | I'm for project-ci | 23:02 |
| anteaya | we have trained them to respond to ci | 23:03 |
| anteaya | would be a shame to bring the undefined -testers into the verbage | 23:03 |
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| clarkb | ok oslotest is up to date everywhere, bandersnatch appears to be up to date, and hacking has arrived now | 23:06 |
| clarkb | so mirrors are at least temporarily happy and with that lunch | 23:06 |
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| anteaya | any objections if I put project-ci in the etherpad? | 23:13 |
| * anteaya hears no objections and makes the change | 23:14 | |
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| clarkb | jeblair: one question on your plan | 23:19 |
| clarkb | and if that works then I can start figuring out how to scrape the info about votes that we need | 23:19 |
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| openstackgerrit | Anita Kuno proposed openstack-infra/infra-manual: Adds a link for new developers to use sandbox https://review.openstack.org/104951 | 23:33 |
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| clarkb | looks like I can get the info I need from gerrit api unauthenticated | 23:36 |
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| anteaya | yay | 23:37 |
| anteaya | I'm interested in what you find | 23:37 |
| clarkb | so just need a small python script to iterate over all the changes | 23:37 |
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| heyongli | jogo, anteaya , the test cases and our log server is setting up, and will be avaliable to get logs showing on internet soon, maybe ready end of today. | 23:46 |
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| anteaya | heyongli: well done | 23:47 |
| anteaya | heyongli: so do you have an ip allocated yet? | 23:47 |
| heyongli | yeah, | 23:47 |
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| heyongli | our ci had to allocted another ip before all jekins can working. for now, just log server could be show up there. | 23:48 |
| anteaya | well as long as you are no longer blocked | 23:48 |
| anteaya | I always feel sorry for folks doing ci in china since you are behind at least the china firewall | 23:49 |
| anteaya | plus any corporate firewalls | 23:49 |
| heyongli | and the jekins servers and test machines is running on privately now, but we could move on now, anteaya | 23:49 |
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| anteaya | and our testing system was not designed with firewalls in mind | 23:49 |
| anteaya | it being open source and all | 23:49 |
| anteaya | heyongli: okay good, glad you can make progress again | 23:50 |
| anteaya | heyongli: any sign of shane wang at all? | 23:50 |
| heyongli | anteaya, yeah, we are working on all firewall, and proxys | 23:50 |
| anteaya | adrian's email said it would be the two of you | 23:50 |
| anteaya | heyongli: you could give a talk on dealing with firewalls | 23:50 |
| anteaya | :D | 23:50 |
| anteaya | heyongli: is it just you then? | 23:50 |
| anteaya | no shane? | 23:50 |
| heyongli | anteaya, most of time i'm on the channel, | 23:51 |
| anteaya | heyongli: okay, I won't expect him then | 23:51 |
| heyongli | and another guy, juso will be there also, shane is our boss, too busy, sometimes comver me. anteaya | 23:51 |
| anteaya | ah alright | 23:51 |
| anteaya | makes sense then | 23:51 |
| anteaya | I'll look for you then when I have questions | 23:51 |
| heyongli | anteaya, another guy is jyuso, also register it's nick and seting up a znc server. | 23:52 |
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| heyongli | shane_wang | 23:52 |
| anteaya | awesome, tell jyuso to say hello when he is around | 23:53 |
| heyongli | shane_wang,this nickname is own by our boss | 23:53 |
| heyongli | anteaya, sure | 23:53 |
| anteaya | I see shane isn't online at the moment | 23:53 |
| anteaya | okay are you subscribed to the openstack-dev mailing list? | 23:53 |
| heyongli | jyuso, is the guy who does most of hard work, setting up all of jekins server and ci env. | 23:54 |
| heyongli | anteaya, definitely, we do | 23:54 |
| heyongli | anteaya, and i will setting up a fileter for infra mails. | 23:54 |
| anteaya | great | 23:54 |
| anteaya | so reply to this thread please: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-December/051901.html | 23:55 |
| anteaya | and reply with a time that works for jyuso as well | 23:55 |
| anteaya | we need to find a time for a third party meeting that works for you | 23:55 |
| heyongli | ok, let's me check | 23:56 |
| anteaya | jhesketh is in australia and will be able to make a good percentage of the meetings | 23:56 |
| anteaya | depending on his social calendar | 23:56 |
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