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| eumel8 | Hello! | 13:00 |
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| eumel8 | #startmeeting OpenStack I18n Office Hour | 13:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Thu Apr 26 13:01:19 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is eumel8. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 13:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 13:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: OpenStack I18n Office Hour)" | 13:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'openstack_i18n_office_hour' | 13:01 |
| jpich | Hello! | 13:04 |
| eumel8 | fun fact: it's running cats | 13:04 |
| eumel8 | hello jpich, welcome to I18n Office Hour :) | 13:04 |
| jpich | :) | 13:05 |
| eumel8 | no rain in Dublin, says the weather service | 13:08 |
| jpich | got some drizzle over lunch, better than the hail+sun yesterday though | 13:08 |
| eumel8 | sounds like April. But from my feeling the summer is still over because we had over 30 degrees last weekend. | 13:10 |
| jpich | ! | 13:10 |
| jpich | Last weekend was nice over here too but not 30C-nice ;) | 13:11 |
| eumel8 | Ireland I associate as the best winter vacation ever ;) | 13:12 |
| jpich | "best" - I'm glad :-) | 13:13 |
| jpich | With the next PTG is in Denver again maybe that means the next-next one will be in Dublin again too 0=) | 13:14 |
| eumel8 | Ohara Ale awaits us. There are still a lot of pubs to investigate | 13:16 |
| tosky | Denver :/ | 13:17 |
| amotoki | hmmm..... I cannot track i18n meeting logs under http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_meeting/ ..... | 13:18 |
| eumel8 | I would skip the second Denver visit. I heard the train issues are solved there, but I prefer a European co-located event as midcycle for I18n | 13:18 |
| eumel8 | amotoki: last one is from 2018-04-19, which was last week | 13:19 |
| amotoki | how are the train issues solved? | 13:19 |
| jpich | amotoki: Probably http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_office_hour/2018/ this time | 13:20 |
| amotoki | eumel8: so http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#I18N_Team_Meeting is no longer correct | 13:20 |
| eumel8 | amotoki: the railroad crossing are now saver, so it's not required to make noices. | 13:20 |
| amotoki | almost all folks around me in Japan are trying to book other hotels now... | 13:21 |
| amotoki | eumel8: do we have any information from the foundation stuffs on this? | 13:22 |
| eumel8 | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-April/129564.html | 13:23 |
| amotoki | thanks! I didn't notice that paragraph. | 13:23 |
| eumel8 | jpich: thanks for the link. Office Hours is only around the Summit. Will see later if we switch back to team meetings or make the Office Hours permanent | 13:25 |
| jpich | yep | 13:26 |
| amotoki | my suggestion is just to continue to use the same meeting name so that we can track all logs in a same folder. | 13:26 |
| amotoki | regardless of meeting modes | 13:26 |
| eumel8 | normaly Office Hours are not recorded | 13:27 |
| amotoki | really? | 13:27 |
| jpich | it depends on the team | 13:27 |
| jpich | I see another few "office hours" under eavesdrop for meetings | 13:27 |
| amotoki | the keystone team used "office hours" as a meeting name but they switched back to continue the same name. | 13:28 |
| amotoki | the meeting bot now logs all meetings in all channels. | 13:28 |
| eumel8 | I only know TC and there is no recording | 13:29 |
| eumel8 | I think there is no chair required for such kind of things | 13:29 |
| amotoki | keystone and QA teams use 'office hours' | 13:30 |
| amotoki | sorry for bothering you on a meeting name | 13:31 |
| amotoki | go aheda | 13:31 |
| jpich | Mistral records theirs | 13:31 |
| eumel8 | it's just for highlight something later. Of course there are the regular channel logs | 13:33 |
| tosky | ehm, metadiscussion on the discussion aside, I have a question that I think I already asked quickly during the PTG | 13:34 |
| tosky | we are going to split (before Rocky) the sahara repository in two parts (sahara and sahara-plugins) and we will need to copy the translations | 13:34 |
| eumel8 | yes, I remember | 13:34 |
| tosky | I don't know how internally zanata works, but I think that zanata would just drop the messages no more relevant from the old and new file | 13:35 |
| ianychoi | hello | 13:35 |
| tosky | so just to refresh my memory: is the above idea correct? Apart from marking the new repository as translatable, should we do anything else? | 13:36 |
| eumel8 | hello ianychoi | 13:36 |
| amotoki | tosky: i think there are two ways. | 13:36 |
| amotoki | tosky: the one is to upload translations manually for the new repo. it requires admin priv of zanata. | 13:36 |
| amotoki | tosky: the other way is to use translation memory. | 13:37 |
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| amotoki | in the second approach, translators need to recover translations manually but they can use good suggestions based on the transaltion memory, so it would be simpe enough | 13:37 |
| ianychoi_phone | I am traveling personally so my response might be slow | 13:37 |
| amotoki | what they need is to click, click, and click on zanata. | 13:38 |
| tosky | amotoki: I know the second way (I did it in other projects), I was thinking about a way to not rely on each translator/translation team | 13:38 |
| tosky | so nothing is lost immediately after the split | 13:38 |
| tosky | of course if it's more complicated for admins, it's not really a choice :) | 13:39 |
| eumel8 | tosky: how are the sizes? is this a 50:50 split? | 13:39 |
| tosky | eumel8: that's a good question and I can't answer right now; is there an easy way to simulate the message extraction locally? | 13:40 |
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| eumel8 | we're talking about 22 pages to translate in Zanata | 13:40 |
| eumel8 | let me check the git repo | 13:41 |
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| eumel8 | #link https://translate.openstack.org/iteration/view/sahara/master/documents?docId=sahara%2Flocale%2Fsahara | 13:43 |
| eumel8 | tosky: ok, it seems you have only talk to me, because it's only German translation on master ;-)) | 13:44 |
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| tosky | eumel8: oh :D | 13:44 |
| tosky | so whatever it's easier for you | 13:45 |
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| amotoki | can I add another topic? | 13:47 |
| eumel8 | amotoki: sure | 13:47 |
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| amotoki | I noticed Japanese users refer to translated documents in older releases | 13:48 |
| amotoki | in https://docs.openstack.org/ja/ | 13:48 |
| ianychoi_phone | Sorry my Internet is unstable | 13:48 |
| ianychoi_phone | amotoki: some language people prefer to stay older releases. How about Japanese? | 13:49 |
| amotoki | we have translated documents in older releases without any version information. | 13:49 |
| -amotoki- looking for actual example | 13:49 | |
| amotoki | this is an example https://docs.openstack.org/ja/user-guide/ | 13:50 |
| amotoki | the content was old and it is based on the content before doc-migration. | 13:50 |
| amotoki | I wonder how we should handle this kind of things. | 13:51 |
| ianychoi_phone | Aha.. docs team decided to stay older documents and tranlated documents | 13:51 |
| ianychoi_phone | Maybe adding some release information on language landing pages would be good? | 13:52 |
| amotoki | but I think all documents should be versioned. | 13:52 |
| amotoki | I think we agreed to use /mitaka/ja/ or /ja/mitaka/ | 13:52 |
| eumel8 | tosky: I would say: split the repo, we setup new project in Zanata, I will upload the German po file and the other languages with < 5 % translations comes from the Translation Memory or there are newcomer to translate Sahara in other languages. The rest will Oslo and Zanata manage automatically. | 13:52 |
| -amotoki- I am not sure which one we selected. | 13:52 | |
| ianychoi_phone | User guides were published without versioning I thonk | 13:53 |
| ianychoi_phone | Some guides like Admin guides, user guides, ha guides publish only at master | 13:53 |
| amotoki | it is true, but the user guide was split out into projects | 13:53 |
| amotoki | so they are now completely obsolete | 13:53 |
| eumel8 | #link https://docs.openstack.org/de/ | 13:54 |
| amotoki | don't we move them to /ocata/ (if doc-migration happened in pike) | 13:54 |
| eumel8 | maybe you can read it, we have different versions of install guide linked there | 13:54 |
| amotoki | google find non-linked existing documents | 13:55 |
| amotoki | I believe URL with releases are much clearer than URLs without release info. | 13:56 |
| ianychoi_phone | I think it might be worth finding out which docs (including translated docs) are obsolete. | 13:56 |
| amotoki | eumel8: install guide was versioned since before doc-migration | 13:56 |
| tosky | eumel8: ack, thanks | 13:57 |
| ianychoi_phone | For obsolete docs, moving to the prev release comparing to last updated would be nice | 13:58 |
| ianychoi_phone | For translated docs, it seems a little bit complicated - maybe more search on which release is based would be needed | 13:58 |
| amotoki | can anyone move this forward? | 14:00 |
| ianychoi_phone | Would it be possible to retrieve all the content from files.openstack.org/docs ? | 14:01 |
| eumel8 | I don't got it right. Maybe have to think about it. | 14:01 |
| ianychoi_phone | Retrieving all the content and investigation would be needed I think | 14:02 |
| eumel8 | ianychoi: catch your prefered infra guy and he can make ls -LR on the machine :) | 14:03 |
| ianychoi_phone | eumel8: Nice suggestion :) | 14:05 |
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| amotoki | ls -lR locally seems the only way | 14:09 |
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| ianychoi_phone | Agreed | 14:10 |
| amotoki | actually I am not translating docs at all. I just bridge what I am asked on translated contents. | 14:14 |
| amotoki | bye, going to another meeting. | 14:14 |
| eumel8 | ok | 14:14 |
| ianychoi | amotoki, bye :) | 14:14 |
| eumel8 | will close the Office Hour | 14:14 |
| ianychoi | okay | 14:15 |
| eumel8 | #endmeeting | 14:15 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack goes multilingual! | I18n & L10n channel" | 14:15 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Thu Apr 26 14:15:18 2018 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:15 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_office_hour/2018/openstack_i18n_office_hour.2018-04-26-13.01.html | 14:15 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_office_hour/2018/openstack_i18n_office_hour.2018-04-26-13.01.txt | 14:15 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/openstack_i18n_office_hour/2018/openstack_i18n_office_hour.2018-04-26-13.01.log.html | 14:15 |
| eumel8 | it's wrong link so we want to use the old name later or switch to the new one | 14:15 |
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| amotoki | eumel8: which link do you mean? | 14:17 |
| eumel8 | amotoki: eavesdrop ^^ - we talked about it | 14:36 |
| amotoki | eumel8: got it. | 14:37 |
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| eumel8 | https://twitter.com/eumel_8/status/989516479472328705 | 14:50 |
| eumel8 | celebrate a little bit a new OpenStack language set \o/ | 14:50 |
| jpich | Nice! | 14:57 |
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