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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/i18n master: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/488000 | 04:19 |
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| openstackgerrit | Frank Kloeker proposed openstack/i18n master: Fix small typo in about.rst https://review.openstack.org/488314 | 07:33 |
| eumel8_ | just wondering, there is no https://docs.openstack.org/i18n/latest/de/index.html build in the morning | 07:35 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/i18n master: Imported Translations from Zanata https://review.openstack.org/488325 | 07:53 |
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| amotoki | eumel8_: I think de translation was not merged yet at that time. | 08:51 |
| amotoki | eumel8_: a translation import with de translation has just been merged 50 minutes ago | 08:52 |
| amotoki | eumel8_: looking at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/488325/, german version of the guide was successfully built. | 08:54 |
| amotoki | let's wait one more day. | 08:54 |
| eumel8_ | ok, thx. amotoki | 08:56 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/i18n master: Fix small typo in about.rst https://review.openstack.org/488314 | 09:03 |
| eumel8_ | thx | 09:06 |
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| robcresswell | ianychoi: Im not sure if amotoki mentioned or not, but we tagged Horizon Pike-3 (Feature Freeze) about 12 hours ago | 09:40 |
| robcresswell | ianychoi: So now we have about 2 weeks of RC1, then HardStringFreeze. | 09:41 |
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| ianychoi | robcresswell, thanks a lot for kind update! :) | 12:52 |
| robcresswell | ianychoi: No problem; thought it would be good to let you know :) | 12:52 |
| ianychoi | robcresswell, :) And eumel8 submitted https://review.openstack.org/#/c/487936/ for translate checksite. If it seems difficult to use it within this cycle, I think I18n team will use eumel8's unufficial deployment for Horizon translation review | 12:54 |
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| ianychoi | eumel8, sorry but can I postpone today 14:00 UTC discussion to 14:30 UTC or 15:00 UTC? | 12:56 |
| eumel8 | 15:00 UTC I'm fine | 12:58 |
| ianychoi | Thank u see you soon :) | 12:59 |
| eumel8 | thx ianychoi :) | 12:59 |
| eumel8 | thx rob :) | 13:06 |
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| ianychoi | eumel8, hi: FYI - https://docs.openstack.org/i18n/latest/de/ (note that it publishes about 2-3 hours after the patch merges) | 14:59 |
| eumel8 | hahaha :) | 15:01 |
| eumel8 | 76% ;) | 15:02 |
| eumel8 | but I'm here, ianychoi | 15:04 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, hi :) | 15:05 |
| eumel8 | hi | 15:06 |
| ianychoi | I am trying to write in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/i18n_ptl_guide | 15:07 |
| eumel8 | ok, I'm there | 15:08 |
| ianychoi | I have written briefly in the Etherpad | 15:12 |
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| eumel8 | some task are already explained in I18n guide, I saw. | 15:14 |
| eumel8 | during translating, I mean ;) | 15:15 |
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| ianychoi | Aha | 15:15 |
| ianychoi | Yep translating I18n guide itself is very good - haha | 15:16 |
| ianychoi | Hmm, any suggestions for current writing in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/i18n_ptl_guide ? Or questions? | 15:21 |
| eumel8 | np, go ahead | 15:21 |
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| eumel8 | about the string freeze, let me recap: We are now in soft string freeze. That means, master branch in Zanata can translate for the next release now? | 15:23 |
| ianychoi | Yep - for Horizon and Horizon plugin projects | 15:24 |
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| ianychoi | + projects which have stable versions in Zanata | 15:27 |
| eumel8 | ok, in 2 weeks hard string freeze is coming (where are the info?). Now you move the master branch in Zanata to stable-pike? | 15:27 |
| eumel8 | and inform the people before and after that, of course | 15:27 |
| ianychoi | yep :) | 15:28 |
| ianychoi | Hard StringFreeze is mentioned in https://releases.openstack.org/pike/schedule.html | 15:28 |
| ianychoi | But the actual schedule might be different to projects | 15:28 |
| ianychoi | In Zanata, there are project groups: https://translate.openstack.org/version-group/list | 15:29 |
| ianychoi | And https://translate.openstack.org/version-group/view/pike-dashboard-translation/projects currently points out master version of translation sources | 15:30 |
| eumel8 | yes, then release is coming .... one week later you move stable-pike to master? | 15:30 |
| eumel8 | that means, one week after release the developement of the next release starts in master? | 15:32 |
| ianychoi | For me, 1) I see https://translate.openstack.org/version-group/view/pike-dashboard-translation/projects and 2) I see the existence of stable branch in project repositories (e.g., http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/horizon/refs/ ), 3) change master -> stable/[branch] version for the target document | 15:32 |
| ianychoi | Of course, 3) can be created from master to stable-[branch] version. | 15:33 |
| eumel8 | ok, then I think I got it | 15:34 |
| eumel8 | information about releases in openstack-dev? | 15:35 |
| eumel8 | I remember the release comitee was in Atlanta and released the version during PTG | 15:35 |
| ianychoi | Aha... | 15:37 |
| ianychoi | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-announce/2017-February/002004.html | 15:39 |
| ianychoi | https://twitter.com/doughellmann/status/834424296600633348 | 15:39 |
| ianychoi | https://twitter.com/tcarrez/status/834425952553881600 | 15:39 |
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| ianychoi | (I cannot find relevant notices in openstack-dev - too many e-mails) | 15:40 |
| eumel8 | ok, I take it in my notes: follow the right people ;) | 15:41 |
| ianychoi | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-February/112889.html | 15:41 |
| ianychoi | This one? | 15:41 |
| eumel8 | ok | 15:44 |
| eumel8 | very good summary for PTG work | 15:45 |
| ianychoi | Thank you :) | 15:45 |
| eumel8 | I think I have to learn a lot. | 15:46 |
| ianychoi | No worries. It is difficult for PTL to do all the activities | 15:46 |
| ianychoi | Many people help a lot for I18n team and they are also kind to I18n team | 15:47 |
| ianychoi | Now I need to do 1) Surveying PTG attendance 2) Notifying StringFreeze and 3) Explaining how Doc migration affects | 15:48 |
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| ianychoi | For 1) https://docs.openstack.org/project-team-guide/ptl.html#before-the-ptg briefly describes | 15:49 |
| eumel8 | but this release thing with string freezes and branching was my biggiest issue | 15:49 |
| eumel8 | now it's clear for me | 15:49 |
| eumel8 | and hopefully there are people to help ;) | 15:49 |
| ianychoi | I have been communicating with PTG organizers and I need to expand to Etherpad with call for participation in PTG | 15:50 |
| ianychoi | For 2) great and I18n team did this for several cycles so there might be no problem :) | 15:50 |
| eumel8 | next thing is this extra ATC calculation | 15:51 |
| ianychoi | And for 3) I need to explain - for example, networking-guide in openstack-manuals (master) disappeared and docs.openstack.org/draft/draft-index.html no longer exists | 15:51 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, aha yep - it means how to get stats? | 15:52 |
| eumel8 | first of all how to get stats | 15:52 |
| ianychoi | About Line 59 in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/488228/1/doc/source/project-maintenance.rst | 15:53 |
| ianychoi | (I have not fully read this yet) | 15:54 |
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| eumel8 | what you mean in 6.1? | 15:55 |
| eumel8 | on etherpad | 15:55 |
| ianychoi | Aha | 15:55 |
| ianychoi | Let me have some seconds to explain more.. | 15:56 |
| eumel8 | of course | 15:57 |
| ianychoi | First of all, there is no location where who are ATCs and who are not ATCs | 15:58 |
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| eumel8 | ok | 15:59 |
| ianychoi | By Foundation Law's definition, ATCs are the contributors who submit patch(es) to official projects within latest two cycles | 15:59 |
| ianychoi | Currently, still, I18n team proposes as extra ATCs since we cannot provide Infra team now who are translators >= 300 words | 16:00 |
| ianychoi | Now PTL proposes as extra ATCs, but it requires to make translation_team.yaml up to date | 16:01 |
| ianychoi | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/i18n/tree/tools/zanata/zanata_users.py => This is current script to retrieve the list of translators but it relies on web crawling methods, not APIs | 16:02 |
| ianychoi | AFAIK newer version of Zanata supports to get list of translators using Zanata API but I have not investigated it too much in this cycle | 16:03 |
| eumel8 | ok, good task for me | 16:04 |
| ianychoi | I hope that I18n team will find better methods how to retrieve who are ATCs by translation contribution and tell Infra team | 16:04 |
| ianychoi | on future cycle(s) and then proposing as extra ATCs might not be needed then | 16:04 |
| eumel8 | then you manage that manually? | 16:05 |
| ianychoi | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/483452/ is a manual step :) | 16:05 |
| ianychoi | And also https://review.openstack.org/#/c/488226/ is a manual step in i18n repo | 16:05 |
| eumel8 | ok, I added the links in etherpad to review later | 16:07 |
| ianychoi | +1 :) | 16:08 |
| ianychoi | Actually, in fact, I think extra ATCs are for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/451625/ | 16:09 |
| ianychoi | Zanata development team helps a lot for I18n team so the team members definitely deserves as extra ATCs | 16:10 |
| eumel8 | okay, lot's of information for extra ATC topic, thx | 16:11 |
| ianychoi | And I have shared all stats through https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/I18nTeam/ATC_statistics | 16:12 |
| ianychoi | But it might be optional. You can just copy & paste to Google Spreadsheet and add link on the wiki document (I personally prefer to convert to wiki table formats) | 16:13 |
| eumel8 | great | 16:14 |
| eumel8 | whats with albertomolina in pike? | 16:14 |
| ianychoi | albertomolina? | 16:15 |
| eumel8 | Not a Foundation member | 16:15 |
| eumel8 | few more | 16:15 |
| ianychoi | Aha | 16:15 |
| ianychoi | In https://review.openstack.org/#/c/483452/ , fungi said to me that extra ATCs should be a Foundation member | 16:16 |
| ianychoi | And told new API to search Foundation member like https://openstackid-resources.openstack.org/api/public/v1/members?filter[]=group_slug==foundation-members&filter[]=email==alb.molina@gmail.com | 16:16 |
| ianychoi | It means that translators who contributed >=300 words (translation+reviews) but who are not Foundation Members will not be regarded at ATCs | 16:17 |
| eumel8 | but to register in Zanata you need a OpenStack-ID, isn't it? | 16:18 |
| ianychoi | fungi said to me that it can be possible without a Foundation member | 16:20 |
| eumel8 | could be | 16:20 |
| eumel8 | ok | 16:20 |
| ianychoi | Now I think two additional things might influence: | 16:20 |
| ianychoi | 1) The user can change from Foundation member to Community member after she/he has Zanata ID | 16:20 |
| ianychoi | 2) The user changes her/his e-mail address but Zanata has previous e-mail address so the Foundation membership validation failes | 16:21 |
| ianychoi | I have no idea how to change e-mail address in Zanata but fungi tells that the user needs to contain all the e-mail information (e.g., secondary e-mail, third e-mail) on her/his Foundation account | 16:22 |
| eumel8 | ok | 16:22 |
| eumel8 | thats true | 16:23 |
| eumel8 | have you contact to such users? | 16:23 |
| ianychoi | Let's just inform and maintain I18n contributor guide with proper documentation | 16:24 |
| eumel8 | ok | 16:24 |
| ianychoi | Zanata admin can retrieve the e-mail address by Zanata ID | 16:24 |
| ianychoi | Please do if you would like to contact :) | 16:25 |
| ianychoi | I have not contacted with them | 16:25 |
| eumel8 | just a question ;) | 16:25 |
| ianychoi | I see :) | 16:25 |
| eumel8 | and just wondering they work and wouldn't have an ATC code | 16:26 |
| eumel8 | but that could be | 16:26 |
| ianychoi | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/483452/1/reference/projects.yaml@a753 | 16:27 |
| ianychoi | For example, Vladimir Sokolov proposes patches via Gerrit but Vladimir is not a Foundation member | 16:28 |
| ianychoi | ATC codes are the benefit definitely but we do not say much voices with this | 16:29 |
| eumel8 | ok, I see | 16:29 |
| eumel8 | you manage the mailinglist i18n also? | 16:31 |
| ianychoi | Yep Daisy added me the admin: http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-i18n (on the bottom - guoyingc at cn.ibm.com, ianyrchoi at gmail.com ) | 16:31 |
| ianychoi | Previously, Kato-san was in admin but it seems that he removed his admin status | 16:32 |
| eumel8 | ok, mailman, easy going | 16:32 |
| ianychoi | Yep it is easy :) | 16:32 |
| eumel8 | I would also remove all previous admins :) | 16:33 |
| ianychoi | Haha you would to become super admin? :) | 16:33 |
| ianychoi | For me, I prefer to list more number of admins if possible | 16:34 |
| ianychoi | Actually it might not be PTL main activities and since Daisy is I18n team founder, I wanted to stay her as much as possible | 16:34 |
| eumel8 | of course, but I didn't heart anything from Daisy or Kato-san. | 16:34 |
| eumel8 | ok, thats a point | 16:35 |
| ianychoi | For Kato-san, I don't know. I did not remove his admin status | 16:35 |
| eumel8 | we need an i18n alumni corner ;) | 16:35 |
| ianychoi | It seems that he remove his admin status by himself | 16:35 |
| ianychoi | s/remove/removed | 16:35 |
| ianychoi | And for IRC meeting, you can change time if you want: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/380998/ | 16:38 |
| ianychoi | According to http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-docs/2017-July/010079.html , some official teams do less number of IRC meetings | 16:39 |
| eumel8 | is there a list when #openstack-meeting is occupied? | 16:39 |
| ianychoi | Finding better communication ways suitable for I18n team would be our homework and in our to-do lists I think | 16:39 |
| ianychoi | In openstack-infra/irc-meetings repo, there is a script which checks whether the proposed meeting time conflicts with other meeting times or not | 16:40 |
| ianychoi | And there are also other IRC channels like #openstack-meeting-3 and so on | 16:40 |
| ianychoi | i18N-team-meeting.yaml file has all the info | 16:41 |
| ianychoi | Oh sorry | 16:41 |
| ianychoi | http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/irc-meetings/tree/meetings | 16:41 |
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| ianychoi | I think Doug mentioned status e-mails since e-mail is also open protocol :) | 16:46 |
| ianychoi | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/ => This is the homepage rendered from openstack-infra/irc-meetings repository | 16:47 |
| eumel8 | I'm fine with IRC and all the comfortable bots here. Other groups have webex meetings. You have to lead the meeting, writing protocol, writing email with summaries ... all that is done in IRC | 16:48 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, yep but AFAIK official project teams do IRC meetings | 16:48 |
| eumel8 | ok | 16:49 |
| ianychoi | Hmm it is hard to tell... but anyway communication is more important than formats | 16:52 |
| ianychoi | Let's try to find nice balance points with communication & format (e.g., open protocol) aspects | 16:52 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, haha - it seems that PTL has lots of tasks... it might be, but it can be distributed by assigning roles to i18n team members. | 16:55 |
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| eumel8 | ok, I'm fine with that communication. Depends really on the situation and hopefully we will have a good team work in the future. | 16:55 |
| ianychoi | If you and others are fine, I would like to stay cross project liaisons roles to other projects | 16:55 |
| eumel8 | ianychoi: you tried it. | 16:56 |
| ianychoi | +1 :) | 16:56 |
| eumel8 | to spread the tasks | 16:56 |
| eumel8 | but it was not all sucessful because people have no time or no interests. | 16:56 |
| ianychoi | Yep, more precisely, tried to define roles and how the roles can be spreaded to others | 16:56 |
| eumel8 | we talked about it in Boston | 16:57 |
| ianychoi | For example, String Freeze managers, IRC meeting chairs, and so on | 16:57 |
| eumel8 | yes! | 16:57 |
| eumel8 | that was a good choise and I would try it again | 16:58 |
| ianychoi | For example, Docs team assigns who triage Launchpad bugs | 16:59 |
| eumel8 | how many active members are there? | 16:59 |
| ianychoi | But I18n team has less number of launchpad bugs, I have not clarified such roles in I18n team | 16:59 |
| ianychoi | In Docs team? or I18n team? | 17:00 |
| eumel8 | docs team | 17:00 |
| ianychoi | Still many people are active :) | 17:00 |
| eumel8 | still good :) | 17:01 |
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| eumel8 | ah, you wanted to talk about docs release cycle | 17:01 |
| eumel8 | is there anything important? | 17:01 |
| ianychoi | Now, doc migration has made some changes - I am not sure whether it will also change or not, but Docs team previously had stable branch about one month after release | 17:03 |
| ianychoi | Then I18n team started to translate stable version of documents in Zanata | 17:03 |
| ianychoi | And, previously, 1) I18n team translated documents 2) The translated documents links were available through https://docs.openstack.org/draft/draft-index.html 3) I18n team members go to the document from the draft page 4) If language coordinators agree that it deserves to publish in language landing page, language landing page will have the link for the document | 17:06 |
| ianychoi | But.. https://docs.openstack.org/draft/draft-index.html page disappeared. I18n team needs to define how to review translated documents I think, since for I18n team, translation review effort needs to be emphasized | 17:07 |
| eumel8 | ok, and all docs are similar? | 17:08 |
| ianychoi | The docs I mentioned are in openstack-manuals | 17:08 |
| ianychoi | And other docs are similar except i18n contributor guide | 17:08 |
| ianychoi | For i18n contributor guide, just >=75% translation publishes translated documents | 17:09 |
| eumel8 | that means the release specific docs | 17:09 |
| ianychoi | There is no release spectific docs now except openstack-manuals repo still currently | 17:09 |
| ianychoi | Release note translation might be special.. | 17:10 |
| ianychoi | All release note translation resources are managed in master branch | 17:10 |
| ianychoi | And translated release notes can be published by translating just one release | 17:11 |
| eumel8 | ok | 17:12 |
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| ianychoi | https://docs.openstack.org/releasenotes/horizon/ja/index.html | 17:13 |
| ianychoi | There is Japanese release note translation for Horizon :) | 17:13 |
| ianychoi | Oh also German: https://docs.openstack.org/releasenotes/horizon/de/index.html | 17:13 |
| eumel8 | yes | 17:14 |
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| eumel8 | since ocata also in German ;) | 17:14 |
| ianychoi | :) | 17:14 |
| eumel8 | I think Docs team will trigger I18n if something should change in Zanata branches | 17:15 |
| ianychoi | Docs team is being decentralized... and I think Docs-I18n cross project liaison can do this role | 17:16 |
| ianychoi | You can do it of course but I can do it also :) | 17:16 |
| eumel8 | ok, I think I've heart enough today :) | 17:18 |
| ianychoi | And.. for proposing i18n-core, although I have not received more replies from existing cores, I would like to stay current I18n cores and add Robert Simai to I18n core | 17:18 |
| ianychoi | Let's re-consider i18n core ships (e.g., how it is dealt) later but deciding such coreship is usually once within a cycle usually as far as I know | 17:19 |
| eumel8 | Robert is also under the blanket. I asked him about PTL and I never heart from him ;) | 17:20 |
| ianychoi | I shared possible i18n core candidates to current cores | 17:21 |
| ianychoi | and Robert is only one who gave one more aggrement | 17:21 |
| eumel8 | really? | 17:21 |
| eumel8 | but only to you | 17:21 |
| ianychoi | and you :) | 17:22 |
| eumel8 | when? | 17:22 |
| ianychoi | I remember that you mentioned that Robert is a good candidate for core | 17:22 |
| ianychoi | "Robert for example is a good candidate" | 17:23 |
| eumel8 | yes, he was very active in the past. But all things are change. Depends how long the companies support OpenStack community work. | 17:23 |
| eumel8 | maybe he has a new position or other work at SuSE | 17:24 |
| ianychoi | Aha.. | 17:25 |
| eumel8 | we will see | 17:25 |
| eumel8 | 30 % of work are advertising | 17:26 |
| ianychoi | :) | 17:26 |
| ianychoi | I think there is no reason not to encourage new i18n cores | 17:26 |
| ianychoi | But.. among the candidates, IMO Robert has been the most active | 17:27 |
| eumel8 | sure, Robert + Andreas | 17:29 |
| ianychoi | Andreas definitely helps a lot | 17:30 |
| ianychoi | He does not translate into German :) | 17:31 |
| eumel8 | he has the knowledge about all the scripts and is sitting in the infra-team | 17:31 |
| ianychoi | He stays lots of time in other IRC channels - #openstack-doc and #openstack-infra and when I ask questions, he always answers very kindly | 17:32 |
| eumel8 | maybe a new PTL candidate there ;) | 17:32 |
| ianychoi | He supports all I18n activities. Let's try to more encourage I18n activities from translation contribution. | 17:32 |
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| ianychoi | It is really an important point :) | 17:33 |
| eumel8 | aquire more people is one of my targets | 17:35 |
| ianychoi | +1 :) | 17:35 |
| ianychoi | For me, PTL activities are really helpful to me - now I better see how a number of official teams interact each other and I could see deeper things on other projects | 17:37 |
| ianychoi | One thing I really wanted to do but I failed is to learn more on puppet in infra-side :) | 17:38 |
| ianychoi | I wanted to better use puppet like eumel8 :) | 17:38 |
| eumel8 | I don't like puppet anymore. Use the good old shell script and you're fine | 17:39 |
| ianychoi | Now I can briefly manipulate Jenkins scripts but for puppet, it is still difficult to investigate in | 17:39 |
| ianychoi | Haha | 17:39 |
| ianychoi | I really wanted also because I am the one who would like to deploy ask.openstack.org/ko-KR | 17:40 |
| eumel8 | there are too many changes in puppet. You have version 2.8 in ubuntu 12.04, then puppet 3, 3.5, 3.8, 4 ... now 5. All versions with other features and the implementaion depends more and more on the version what you use. | 17:42 |
| ianychoi | Aha.. | 17:43 |
| eumel8 | same thing in ansible. It's much better for task management but beware if you use the wrong ansible version | 17:43 |
| ianychoi | Thanks :) | 17:43 |
| ianychoi | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/community/2016-September/001663.html -> The discussion was in community mailing list almost one year ago, but I still want to do :) | 17:44 |
| eumel8 | ah, I forgot puppetdb. If you love some pain with bootstrapped server under the same name but different machine and connection problems to puppetdb - you're welcome ;) | 17:45 |
| ianychoi | :) | 17:47 |
| ianychoi | And FYI: https://youtu.be/uKyLtJsjrQw?t=1586 | 17:47 |
| ianychoi | Foundation came to OpenStack Days Korea 2017 and emphasized translated user survey :) | 17:48 |
| eumel8 | hahaha, the same like German OpenStack Days. Congrates! :) | 17:49 |
| ianychoi | I received the video today and have uploaded to there (This is why I am busy now - I am also active in Korea user group) | 17:49 |
| eumel8 | we know :) | 17:49 |
| eumel8 | published today, wow | 17:49 |
| ianychoi | Yep :) | 17:50 |
| ianychoi | Thank you for taking time today! | 17:51 |
| eumel8 | thanks so much for all the explanation, ianychoi | 17:51 |
| eumel8 | when is the time for the PTL election? | 17:52 |
| ianychoi | From Aug 1 for nomination: https://governance.openstack.org/election/ | 17:53 |
| ianychoi | If there is only one candidate by Aug 9, then the one candidate will be next PTL without votes | 17:54 |
| ianychoi | The candidacy needs to be submitted through openstack/election repo and shared through openstack-dev, openstack-docs and openstack-i18n mailing lists. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/425775/ might be a good reference | 17:55 |
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| eumel8 | ok | 17:57 |
| eumel8 | added the links in etherpad | 17:57 |
| ianychoi | And also http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-i18n/2016-March/001934.html | 17:57 |
| ianychoi | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/224408/2/candidates/mitaka/I18n/Ying_Chun_Guo.txt | 17:57 |
| amotoki | discussion on PTL and the future of i18n is being discussed. yay! | 17:57 |
| ianychoi | amotoki, :) | 17:58 |
| ianychoi | amotoki, you would like to run for I18n PTL for the next cycle? :) | 17:58 |
| ianychoi | (Although I know that you are very busy with lots of OpenStack contributions) | 17:58 |
| amotoki | I can, but if someone has more passion on translation it would be nice. | 18:00 |
| eumel8 | hahaha :-) | 18:00 |
| ianychoi | amotoki, and, if you have time, I would like to listen to you about adding i18n core(s), as I previously shared to all existing cores | 18:01 |
| ianychoi | amotoki, and.. will u go to Denver PTG? (Sorry, I would not attend to next PTG unfortunately) | 18:01 |
| amotoki | i still have interest on UI translation, but drastic changes several time makes me feel more difficult on docs translation. | 18:02 |
| amotoki | perhaps I will be at Denver with 90% | 18:02 |
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| ianychoi | Good. Yep, drastic changes on Docs affect documentation translation | 18:02 |
| ianychoi | user-guide and networking-guide was well translated to Japanease | 18:03 |
| ianychoi | I am a little bit afraid that translated document might also disappear by removing in a master branch | 18:03 |
| amotoki | regarding networking-guide, the past drastic refactor in stable branches took my motivation away. I lost 30% from 100% translations :-( | 18:04 |
| ianychoi | I remember it and Docs team promised not to backport into stable branches | 18:05 |
| ianychoi | for such drastic changes | 18:05 |
| amotoki | yeah, we discussed after that | 18:05 |
| ianychoi | I think networking-guide was migrated to http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/neutron/tree/doc/source/admin | 18:06 |
| ianychoi | To support translation on http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/neutron/tree/doc/source/admin would be a good idea? | 18:06 |
| amotoki | yes, perhaps i will focus on maintaining the upstream doc, for example merging the networking part of admin guide into the networking guide. | 18:07 |
| ianychoi | Then the doc http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/neutron/tree/doc/source/admin will also have stable version of documentation? | 18:07 |
| amotoki | I think we first need to explore what kind of documentation translation is translator friendly | 18:07 |
| amotoki | a big PO file prevent us from having good progress. | 18:08 |
| amotoki | even if we translate a lot, the percentage grows slowly... | 18:08 |
| ianychoi | For me, distributed PO files into different projects made me difficult to translate documents | 18:08 |
| amotoki | so, we might be better to consider how to organize POT files like per-guide? | 18:09 |
| ianychoi | For this, definitely better to consider | 18:09 |
| amotoki | it would be nice if we have some better dashboard which track per-guide translation progress across projects. | 18:10 |
| ianychoi | I was thinking how to support install-guide translation in multiple repositiries | 18:10 |
| amotoki | do you have an idea on how to get translation progress from Zanata API? | 18:10 |
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| amotoki | will it recovered near future, or is it gone forever? | 18:16 |
| amotoki | *be recovered* | 18:16 |
| ianychoi | replaced to https://docs.openstack.org/pike/index.html | 18:16 |
| ianychoi | For Docs team's perspective, Docs team wants to remove draft step and master contribution will publish into next release documents | 18:17 |
| ianychoi | But draft-index.html pages had translated draft documents | 18:17 |
| amotoki | ah, so we can have something like /<lang>/pike/... or /pike/<lang>/.... and puslish translated version | 18:17 |
| ianychoi | For them, we need to decide where draft translated document links need to be located | 18:18 |
| ianychoi | >=75% (messages) will publish translated documents, and previously, only qualified documents were available at language landing pages | 18:19 |
| amotoki | I am not sure we need to hide some draft document into a hidden page. | 18:20 |
| amotoki | now openstack-manuals repo has nice yaml file to describe project status | 18:20 |
| ianychoi | Oh, really? I have not noticed it | 18:20 |
| amotoki | and it can support translation status (like release or draft) | 18:20 |
| amotoki | fyi http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/openstack-manuals/tree/www/project-data | 18:21 |
| ianychoi | Aha.. I need to see them :) | 18:22 |
| amotoki | am going to bed. night!! | 18:23 |
| ianychoi | Personally, I am also okay to make draft translated documents available | 18:23 |
| ianychoi | The one thing I would like to find is how to encourage translation reviews | 18:24 |
| ianychoi | This is why I18n team really wanted to implement translate checksite for Horizon | 18:24 |
| amotoki | yes :) | 18:24 |
| ianychoi | But.. hmm, for Docs, Docs team now tends to remove draft pages | 18:24 |
| ianychoi | Documentation might be treated differently for translation reviews? | 18:25 |
| amotoki | some mark like "draft" or a dedicate section in a same page looks okay to me | 18:25 |
| ianychoi | Aha.. then, adding status into the yaml file as like "Draft" or "Reviewed" might be a good idea | 18:26 |
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| ianychoi | amotoki__, haha good night :) | 18:28 |
| ianychoi | eumel8, good night! | 18:29 |
| eumel8 | good night, ianychoi! | 18:29 |
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