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| aspiers | samP_: I attended the PWG call last night | 10:58 |
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| aspiers | samP_: I updated them on our last VoIP meeting regarding the 4 new user stories, and suggested that these should be submitted as separate user stories | 10:58 |
| aspiers | samP_: then they could be linked from the "Related User Stories" section of the HA VM user story | 10:59 |
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| samP_ | aspiers: hi | 11:15 |
| samP_ | aspiers: Thanks for the comments, I wasnt able to attend the meeting, since it was too early in my zone. | 11:17 |
| aspiers | no problem | 11:17 |
| aspiers | I told the PWG that I thought these were very good and valid use cases | 11:17 |
| samP_ | aspiers: I read your comment on user story | 11:17 |
| aspiers | but I am worried that the HA VM user story is at risk of scope creep | 11:17 |
| aspiers | OK | 11:17 |
| aspiers | I'd prefer to keep the scope smaller, so we can finish it sooner :) | 11:17 |
| aspiers | well, that is not the main reason actually | 11:18 |
| samP_ | yes I do understand | 11:18 |
| aspiers | I think the 4 new user stories have a wider scope than just HA | 11:18 |
| aspiers | and they might overlap with other user stories in OpenStack | 11:18 |
| aspiers | especially in nova | 11:18 |
| samP_ | I think we can link the user stories with more specific use cases and core use case (which is now in review) | 11:20 |
| aspiers | yes | 11:20 |
| samP_ | as you said, first we have to write them down | 11:20 |
| aspiers | I am currently editing the HA VM user story | 11:20 |
| aspiers | I will soon submit a lot of small reviews to improve it | 11:20 |
| aspiers | each change will be very small and simple to review (I hope) | 11:21 |
| samP_ | great | 11:21 |
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| samP_ | aspiers: are your 4 user stories going to connect with current use case? or totally different ones? | 11:26 |
| aspiers | they are your 4 user stories :) | 11:27 |
| aspiers | not mine | 11:27 |
| samP_ | ah.. ok | 11:27 |
| aspiers | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/318431 | 11:27 |
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| samP_ | you mean 4 new user stories we added to current user story.. | 11:28 |
| aspiers | yes | 11:28 |
| aspiers | they are all good, but I don't think any of them are specific to HA VMs | 11:28 |
| aspiers | they all have wider scope | 11:28 |
| aspiers | for reasons I gave in the review | 11:28 |
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| samP_ | your comments make sense. However, I think Kazu's point is keep the requirements for VMHA in the user story. So, it they will satisfied by the final solution. | 11:37 |
| aspiers | which requirements? | 11:38 |
| samP_ | requirements for make it operational | 11:38 |
| aspiers | right, but which ones exactly :) | 11:38 |
| samP_ | I think his most concerns are Capacity Reservation and Failover management | 11:41 |
| aspiers | right, but capacity reservation is not limited to just HA VMs | 11:43 |
| aspiers | it applies in other scenarios too | 11:43 |
| aspiers | so it deserves its own user story | 11:43 |
| aspiers | and the HA VM feature can still be operational without automatic capacity reservation, e.g. via operators proactively monitoring capacity | 11:44 |
| aspiers | and taking manual action accordingly | 11:44 |
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| aspiers | samP_: I think each of these 4 usage scenarios could be converted into very nice independent user stories, with very little overlap on the existing HA VM user story. So I would definitely recommend you guys think about submitting those. That's what I said in the meeting last night, and noone could think of any problems with that approach. | 12:08 |
| aspiers | they don't overlap with each other either | 12:08 |
| aspiers | so I think it could work really nicely | 12:08 |
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| samP_ | I think we have different view point about VMHA. For my understanding, if we try to define what is instance HA, then we must focus on simple user story as you mentioned above. But NTT point of view, we are looking for a product that can provide VMHA with all the operational features. It may be the one project or many. For a Ex: core VMHA done by the pacemaker and mistrial and all the monitoring and reservation part nee | 12:31 |
| samP_ | d to be done with some other projects. In both cases, current missing features will go to different spec in each related projects. Or if there is no project can achieve the features, the we need a new project. So then, come to the original question, do we need to separate the user stories? I somewhat agree to your solution. But then, where is the grand design of VMHA exist? | 12:31 |
| samP_ | I will discuss this with kazu | 12:32 |
| samP_ | Really sorry, but I hv to go AFK for a meeting. I will be back | 12:33 |
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| samP_ | In the mean while I read the comments on the usestory | 12:34 |
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