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| openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed openstack/ha-guide: DO NOT MERGE: testing bindep-based jobs https://review.openstack.org/282946 | 04:43 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/ha-guide: Imported Translations from Zanata https://review.openstack.org/282955 | 06:00 |
| openstackgerrit | KATO Tomoyuki proposed openstack/ha-guide: Fix typo https://review.openstack.org/282958 | 06:09 |
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| aspiers | hi all | 08:57 |
| aspiers | -> #openstack-meeting | 08:57 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/ha-guide: Fix typo https://review.openstack.org/282958 | 09:43 |
| openstackgerrit | KATO Tomoyuki proposed openstack/ha-guide: Add the command to start and enable RabbitMQ https://review.openstack.org/282558 | 10:02 |
| aspiers | I just filed http://bugs.clusterlabs.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5269 (DoS: valid authkey should be required for takeover of a Pacemaker remote) | 10:09 |
| openstack | bugs.clusterlabs.org bug 5269 in Core "DoS: valid authkey should be required for takeover of a Pacemaker remote" [Normal,Unconfirmed] - Assigned to andrew | 10:09 |
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| aspiers | hey bogdando, you around? | 12:28 |
| aspiers | I just discovered https://review.openstack.org/gitweb?p=openstack/fuel-library.git;a=tree;f=files/fuel-ha-utils;hb=HEAD and was wondering if Mirantis would consider reconverging with https://launchpad.net/openstack-resource-agents | 12:29 |
| bogdando | aspiers, hi | 12:30 |
| bogdando | aspiers, we could being that topic to the fuel irc meeting. AFAIK, there was too much reworked to make things go smooth | 12:31 |
| bogdando | s/bring | 12:32 |
| aspiers | bogdando: I wish the reworking could have happened upstream :-( | 12:32 |
| aspiers | bogdando: yes it might not be smooth but there are still big benefits for everyone to try, so it would be great to bring the topic to the next fuel IRC meeting | 12:32 |
| aspiers | when is the meeting? | 12:32 |
| bogdando | aspiers, btw, the rabbitmq OCF RA was upstreamed (but it is not the one from the resource-agents). We'll maintain the downstream until Fuel switched to the rabbit 3.6.x. | 12:34 |
| bogdando | aspiers, ns_* ones would be nice to follow the upstreaming procedure. They operate in network namespaces. | 12:34 |
| bogdando | neutron_* diverge is just a huge I guess, while the rest, like ceilo*, heat* should be easy thing | 12:35 |
| bogdando | aspiers, https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Fuel#Weekly_meetings | 12:36 |
| aspiers | bogdando: rabbitmq OCF RA does not belong in openstack-resource-agents since it's not OpenStack-specific | 12:37 |
| aspiers | bogdando: but anyway it's very cool that it was upstreamed :) | 12:37 |
| bogdando | yes, I know that infra related things are out of scope :) | 12:37 |
| bogdando | I mean DB, MQ, etc | 12:38 |
| aspiers | right :) | 12:38 |
| aspiers | thanks, I'll try to attend that meeting | 12:38 |
| aspiers | bogdando: ok for me to add that item to the agenda? | 12:39 |
| bogdando | aspiers, yes please | 12:39 |
| aspiers | great, thanks | 12:39 |
| bogdando | after that we could come up with a spec to both upstream and fuel spaces | 12:40 |
| aspiers | done | 12:40 |
| aspiers | bogdando: what kind of spec do you mean? | 12:40 |
| bogdando | but prior to make the specs we should be at the same page and understand how to "merge" efforts. We could brainstorm to figure out basic steps, like making time-flow charts (like those ones http://www.rabbitmq.com/pacemaker.html listed below); CI testing / gating - which places and how (which reference architecture?) | 12:43 |
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| bogdando | aspiers, we follow the common OpenStack specs pattern, here is the repo https://github.com/openstack/fuel-specs | 12:43 |
| bogdando | for complex things with many impacts you may want to have the suchlike for openstack-ha as well | 12:44 |
| bogdando | or just use cross project openstack specs | 12:45 |
| bogdando | like we do for the instances evacuation | 12:45 |
| aspiers | yes, I agree 100% - all very good ideas | 12:45 |
| bogdando | so we have to end up having two mirrored specs to the fuel and openstack cross project specs | 12:47 |
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| bogdando | or we can make only one, for openstack and describe OCF RA options for existing deployment solutions like Fuel and TrippleO?.. | 12:48 |
| bogdando | I'm not sure if cp folks will be happy to read that though | 12:49 |
| bogdando | do deployment frameworks fit into the openstack cp scope? | 12:49 |
| aspiers | bogdando: by time-flow charts you mean those UML sequence diagrams? | 12:52 |
| bogdando | UML? I'm not sure, just a simple things like monitor, start, stop - what do they do | 12:53 |
| aspiers | I mean, are you talking about these diagrams? http://www.rabbitmq.com/img/Rabbitmq_clustering_pacemaker_promote.png | 12:53 |
| bogdando | yup | 12:53 |
| aspiers | yeah, they are UML sequence diagrams | 12:53 |
| aspiers | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sequence_diagram | 12:54 |
| bogdando | nice to know, I have to put that to the docs! :) | 12:54 |
| aspiers | :) | 12:55 |
| aspiers | I agree it would be really great to have similar diagrams to explain how we handle failure modes in the various RAs | 12:55 |
| aspiers | although I wonder how we can find spare time to do that ;-/ | 12:55 |
| aspiers | http://www.rabbitmq.com/pacemaker.html is a really impressive document! | 12:55 |
| aspiers | I wonder who did that, and how they found time | 12:55 |
| bogdando | I did ;) | 12:56 |
| bogdando | as the part of upstreamin | 12:56 |
| aspiers | whoa | 12:56 |
| aspiers | well, congrats :-) | 12:56 |
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| bogdando | thanks | 12:56 |
| aspiers | hehe, you are the doc king ;-) | 12:56 |
| bogdando | yes, I like this | 12:57 |
| aspiers | I agree it is really satisfying to make good docs | 12:57 |
| aspiers | in the past I have done that too | 12:57 |
| aspiers | although at SUSE we are lucky to have a really great doc team | 12:57 |
| bogdando | and finding out they are helping someone | 12:57 |
| aspiers | so usually we can just feed them the right information | 12:57 |
| bogdando | delivers even more | 12:57 |
| aspiers | absolutely, I think a lot of devs often underestimate the importance of good docs | 12:58 |
| aspiers | it can save so much time in the long term, even in the short term | 12:58 |
| aspiers | anyway, back to the convergence / specs discussion | 12:58 |
| aspiers | if we had one upstream spec for each OCF RA area, then it could explain the current differences between upstream and the Mirantis fork, right? | 12:59 |
| aspiers | and then we could form a plan to converge? | 12:59 |
| aspiers | but should it be one spec per RA, or e.g. one for all neutron RAs? | 13:00 |
| bogdando | yes, that works | 13:00 |
| aspiers | or one for each of ns_*, neutron_*, nova_* etc. | 13:01 |
| bogdando | although then we split, specs for nova OCF RA, for example, which place to submit ?.. | 13:01 |
| bogdando | they will stop being cp :) | 13:01 |
| aspiers | I'm not sure, I haven't really worked with specs before | 13:01 |
| aspiers | do they need to be cross-project? I don't know | 13:02 |
| bogdando | you can establish specs space for the openstack-resource-agents | 13:02 |
| bogdando | and put all there | 13:02 |
| bogdando | and just highlight this on the cp meetings | 13:02 |
| bogdando | cuz I'm not sure that is in the cp scope | 13:03 |
| bogdando | (specs) | 13:03 |
| bogdando | btw, ns_* are likely out of the scope - > infra things | 13:03 |
| bogdando | and let's please use Fuel, this has not much to the MOS (Mirantis OpenStack) | 13:04 |
| bogdando | pacemaker things are out of MOS scope | 13:05 |
| bogdando | but they are part of Fuel reference arch | 13:05 |
| bogdando | just nitpicking... | 13:06 |
| aspiers | yeah, specs space makes sense | 13:06 |
| aspiers | I will have to learn how to do that ;-) | 13:06 |
| bogdando | I'd suggest to make one spec per one OCF RA | 13:06 |
| aspiers | yeah, sounds reasonable | 13:07 |
| bogdando | copy paste by 80% but some neutron agentds differs much | 13:07 |
| bogdando | differ | 13:07 |
| aspiers | ok | 13:07 |
| bogdando | if we'' find out they all are almost the same, we could merge few into one leaving only distinct things | 13:07 |
| aspiers | yep | 13:08 |
| aspiers | I need to understand why ns_dns exists | 13:08 |
| aspiers | is that related to neutron's dnsmasq? | 13:08 |
| aspiers | or something else? | 13:08 |
| * bogdando will do git blame and reply :) | 13:08 | |
| aspiers | haha | 13:08 |
| aspiers | wait, you are saying Fuel uses Pacemaker but MOS doesn't? | 13:09 |
| bogdando | well MOS is about OpenStack only | 13:09 |
| aspiers | so MOS is a subset of Fuel? | 13:09 |
| bogdando | Fuel is a deployment framework and reference arch | 13:09 |
| aspiers | sorry, I'm very ignorant of the Mirantis world ;-) | 13:09 |
| aspiers | but better to learn late than never :) | 13:09 |
| bogdando | aspiers, well, it is better to ask to fuel or openstack-dev ML with [Fuel] tag as well | 13:10 |
| aspiers | sure, I'm happy to do that | 13:10 |
| bogdando | it may be just lost if put it to the #fuel | 13:10 |
| aspiers | it could be lost on openstack-dev too ;-) | 13:10 |
| bogdando | we have many responsive folks :) | 13:11 |
| aspiers | that's cool | 13:11 |
| aspiers | TBH I don't understand how anyone reads openstack-dev | 13:11 |
| aspiers | I just filter for a few tags | 13:11 |
| aspiers | have to ignore the rest | 13:11 |
| bogdando | mailman helps | 13:14 |
| aspiers | yeah but I decided to do it client-side (well, via filter rules on my mail server) | 13:14 |
| aspiers | that way I can do regexp filtering :) | 13:14 |
| bogdando | heh | 13:15 |
| aspiers | ahah, I found http://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/developers.html#working-on-specifications-and-blueprints | 13:17 |
| aspiers | I just asked on #openstack-infra | 13:22 |
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