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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Release Bot proposed openstack/glance stable/victoria: Update .gitreview for stable/victoria https://review.opendev.org/754018 | 09:13 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Release Bot proposed openstack/glance master: Add Python3 wallaby unit tests https://review.opendev.org/754025 | 09:13 |
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| abhishekk | jokke, rosmaita, smcginnis, dansmith glance weekly meeting in 5 minutes at #openstack-meeting | 13:55 |
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| jokke | fungi: just out of curiosity have you written wrapper for all the posix file commands as well, like do you do something like `linux file move --from /current/path --destination /new/path` or do you use the separate mv command for it? | 15:02 |
| jokke | :P | 15:03 |
| dansmith | jokke: if the mv command had vastly different syntax and behaviors from the cp command, I'm sure they would | 15:03 |
| fungi | jokke: i use a single shell, which has builtin command implementations for file operations, so i don't need a separate mv binary | 15:03 |
| jokke | interesting | 15:04 |
| fungi | if i absolutely *need* /bin/mv it's there, but i hardly ever use it because my unified shell (bash) provides its own | 15:04 |
| * abhishekk in another meeting | 15:04 | |
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| fungi | okay, i lied, bash doesn't have its own mv builtin, but the argument for all the builtins it does have which shadow common binary names is valid ;) | 15:07 |
| jokke | that's been my personal problem with osc (which I've put aside as much as possible when we've had these discussions) I'm strong advocate of dedicated tools for a job. I'm one of those people who still thinks systemd is very bad idea. | 15:07 |
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| dansmith | jokke: we can't be friends | 15:08 |
| jokke | dansmith: I've noticed :P | 15:08 |
| dansmith | I'm majorly in favor the right tool for the job, but when one tool does the job of several better than the one, it's time to concede defeat | 15:08 |
| jokke | I don't see any reason why my init should be massive bloat that does anything from getting my hw configured to doing name resolution running on pid 0 | 15:09 |
| dansmith | (that goes for systemd not osc) | 15:09 |
| fungi | i'm not a big fan of systemd either, but to equate those is to suggest that people who want to see openstack as an integrated software platform are the same as people who want to see their operating system as one unified platform. maybe it's similar, but i'm not so sure | 15:09 |
| dansmith | fungi: we can't be friends either apparently | 15:10 |
| * dansmith needs new friends | 15:10 | |
| fungi | friends are overrated ;) | 15:10 |
| jokke | fungi: I think it's more or less the current business culture as well "We don't want to invest someone actually to know what they are doing, we rather just have the cleaning lady manage our cloud when she doesn't have desks to wipe" | 15:10 |
| dansmith | fungi: lately, friends can get you killed, so..yeah | 15:11 |
| fungi | we do call openstack a "cloud operating system" sometimes, so maybe osc and systemctl are parallels | 15:11 |
| fungi | oaktree would have been the systemd parallel | 15:11 |
| fungi | but that never got off the ground | 15:11 |
| jokke | What we need to do, is to have Nova proxying the API calls for _all_ the rest of the services so we can have totally unified experience for people like Monty too who just prefers to use curl :P | 15:12 |
| fungi | jokke: that business culture is not a far cry from the one i used to exist in, where the sysadmins got to wipe desks and sweep floors when servers weren't catching fire | 15:12 |
| fungi | (also they wanted to pay us more like they would cleaning staff) | 15:13 |
| dansmith | rosmaita: having not looked at any code yet, I'm struggling to think of ways this tenant-is-owner thing would be wound up tight for osc in a problematic way | 15:13 |
| jokke | fungi: IKR but it's much cheaper nowadays to hire them cleaning ladies that operators, so pushing the culture to babysit the ignorant is better for business | 15:13 |
| rosmaita | dansmith: look at how they handle image sharing | 15:14 |
| fungi | besides, monty gets to use oracle cloud these days ;) | 15:14 |
| jokke | devcleanerops (tm) | 15:14 |
| dansmith | rosmaita: right, but are you talking about *sharing* an image, or just looking at an image that has been shared? | 15:14 |
| jokke | fungi: right, I'm curious to bump into him some day and hear his thoughts ... sometimes perspective is helpful as well | 15:15 |
| rosmaita | dansmith: well, 'image add project' kind of makes an assumption about what will happen | 15:16 |
| rosmaita | i remember leaving comments on the review about this that didn't have much effect | 15:16 |
| jokke | rosmaita: it obviously adds your project code from git to the image you're about to upload to your cloud | 15:16 |
| rosmaita | well, you can store *anything* in glance if you don't use import | 15:17 |
| jokke | very true | 15:18 |
| jokke | we used to have this helath check script which took the benefit of that as it just uploaded few bytes as one step to verify the whole chain worked | 15:19 |
| dansmith | rosmaita: we have format inspection in the upload chain now, so we could enforce format in the same way | 15:20 |
| jokke | there was no need to spend time, storage and bandwidth for that as the whole operation was super quik if everything worked as it should | 15:20 |
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| zigo | How does one uploads a sparse file to file / rbd ? | 20:04 |
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