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| openstackgerrit | Naohiro Sameshima proposed openstack/glance-specs master: Spec: Supporting the s3 driver again as regular glance store driver https://review.opendev.org/687390 | 02:20 |
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| jokke_ | rosmaita: abhishekk: smcginnis: glance weekly meeting | 14:02 |
| abhishekk | 0/ | 14:03 |
| smcginnis | Thanks for the reminder! | 14:03 |
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| smcginnis | jokke_: Looks like it's in releasenotes/notes/train-final-e09f3fe40592a478.yaml, but I can't figure out yet what it doesn't like about it. | 14:34 |
| jokke_ | configs are in sync | 14:37 |
| jokke_ | I think it was the fixes; empty line after -| | 14:38 |
| rosmaita | jokke_: don't know if you care, but the single backticks give you italics, if you want monospace font for the commands, you need to use `` | 14:39 |
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| jokke_ | if it passess I don't care, if I need to poke it I'll chnge them and try to remember next time, thanks | 14:41 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/glance-specs master: Create specs directory for Ussuri https://review.opendev.org/682543 | 14:41 |
| rosmaita | jokke_: works for me | 14:41 |
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| smcginnis | jokke_: It passed for me after removing the prelude section, so I think it's something there. | 14:55 |
| smcginnis | Fixes were fine. | 14:55 |
| jokke_ | I can't get the build runing locally, can you test for me if it rnders correctly the prelude lines changed as following: | 14:58 |
| jokke_ | prelude: | 14:58 |
| jokke_ | -| | 14:58 |
| jokke_ | to prelude: | | 14:59 |
| smcginnis | jokke_: You can't run tox -e releasenotes? | 14:59 |
| jokke_ | nope, breaks horribly wall of red for some reason | 14:59 |
| jokke_ | I think I have somme prerequisite missing that is not coming from pip | 14:59 |
| smcginnis | What about rebuilding the venv? tox -re releasenotes | 15:00 |
| jokke_ | did not help | 15:00 |
| smcginnis | Huh, weird. | 15:00 |
| jokke_ | tried that as first thing | 15:00 |
| rosmaita | i'll download and take a look | 15:00 |
| smcginnis | I made that change and it looks like that does it ^^ | 15:00 |
| jokke_ | kk ps3 inbound | 15:01 |
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| jokke_ | that should do the trick then | 15:03 |
| jokke_ | ha I'm bit by bit getting the grasp of basics in reno formatting :P | 15:04 |
| smcginnis | It's definitely not always intuitive. | 15:04 |
| smcginnis | Would be nice if the failures actually gave some clues where to look at least. | 15:05 |
| smcginnis | Hmm, we don't have gerrit notificiations in channel for stable patches? | 15:05 |
| smcginnis | Is that on purpose? | 15:05 |
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| efried | o/ glance! | 15:08 |
| jokke_ | I don't know. I think we never did | 15:08 |
| jokke_ | hi efried | 15:08 |
| smcginnis | Uh oh, it's efried. Hide. | 15:08 |
| jokke_ | smcginnis: I put release patch up wiht depends on | 15:08 |
| efried | I'm about to show some dramatic ignorance here. Get comfortable. | 15:08 |
| smcginnis | OK. Depends-on doesn't really work with those, but at last it will be clearly on the radar then. | 15:08 |
| jokke_ | ok, now I'm running like smcginnis adviced | 15:09 |
| efried | (Will wait for current conversation to die down, sorry to interrupt) | 15:09 |
| jokke_ | smcginnis: ok good to know. well at least it has in the commit message the link to the patch we're waiting on | 15:09 |
| jokke_ | efried: no problem. Just trying to get final release notes in to stamp down rc2 and call Train done :P | 15:10 |
| efried | that's WAY more important than my topic | 15:10 |
| jokke_ | efried: unless you found something that breaks the world and we should hold :D | 15:10 |
| efried | not even close | 15:10 |
| jokke_ | so go ahead, we're waiting on zuul atm. | 15:11 |
| efried | okay, it's about what you can/should store in glance | 15:11 |
| efried | is it supposed to be just OS images | 15:11 |
| efried | or could you hypothetically store arbitrary data blobs? | 15:12 |
| jokke_ | nope, we really don't care as long as you're not trying to do conversion or introspection on it | 15:12 |
| efried | I've got a downstream question about using it to store data files, like config files. | 15:13 |
| jokke_ | we don't even check if you claim it to be raw and upload qcow | 15:13 |
| rosmaita | but, an operator could write an import plugin that checks and blocks | 15:13 |
| smcginnis | I've had that same question before. There's definitely some that think glance is only meant for boot images. But really can be anything. | 15:13 |
| smcginnis | You can store your Hello Kitty collection in it so you can get to it from all your instances. | 15:13 |
| smcginnis | :) | 15:13 |
| efried | I want to say that that would be more appropriate for swift. But I guess I don't really know the difference... | 15:13 |
| jokke_ | efried: I can see benefits of the immutability and possible additional metadata. As long as you don't try to boot up those config files (I think you can even make volume ot of them without anything blowing up) :P | 15:14 |
| rosmaita | sounds like you want glare :D | 15:14 |
| efried | perhaps "glance can do anything swift can do, but is designed for big blobs and OS images" but "swift is for small data blobs"? | 15:14 |
| jokke_ | efried: swift doesn't give you the immutability promise and only limited metadata, but true in more general usecase swift would be the way to go | 15:15 |
| efried | tell me more about this "immutability promise" | 15:15 |
| jokke_ | efried: so once image is created, that image-id in general always return you the same bits. There is no way (through the API) to change the payload | 15:16 |
| jokke_ | with normal object store you can rewrite it and no-one really is on your way for that | 15:16 |
| efried | so if I wanted to change an image, there's no way to get the same image-id associated with the new bits | 15:17 |
| jokke_ | so if you put your configs into a tarball, store it in glance and your automation refers to that image id to get that exact tarball, you can be sure you got those exact configs | 15:17 |
| rosmaita | right, you'd have to track it with custom metadata or something | 15:17 |
| efried | gotcha. | 15:17 |
| rosmaita | but, no matter what you store, nova will try to boot it if you ask it to :) | 15:18 |
| efried | heh, right. | 15:18 |
| efried | but both glance and swift I could theoretically access from either the compute node or from within the instance, if I had the proper creds. They're both just APIs. | 15:18 |
| rosmaita | so to answer your question, you *could* put anything into glance, but you *should* only put images | 15:18 |
| jokke_ | efried: realistically no, there is even CVE about the very specific conditions where that might happen | 15:19 |
| efried | oh, interesting. | 15:19 |
| rosmaita | efried: and if you're using swift as the glance backend, would be better off just putting stuff into swift | 15:19 |
| efried | I mean, I would assume I probably shouldn't give my instance access to the same images I give my compute node... | 15:19 |
| jokke_ | efried: correct, about accessing your apis as long as your policies allow that | 15:20 |
| jokke_ | like you can have set of glance-apis to your nova and cinder that can download images and your public facing nodes will not allow that but in general if you have one set of glance-apis with reasonable policies you can do pretty much all operations from anywhere you can access glance from | 15:21 |
| efried | Okay, I think I have what I need for now. Thanks for the help, all! | 15:22 |
| jokke_ | NP | 15:22 |
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| idlemind | Can I build an image for a virtual appliance that requires 2 disk files today? | 16:14 |
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| smcginnis | rosmaita: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/687904/ has passed checks. | 16:45 |
| timburke | this immutability discussion makes me think of one of the areas of active development for swift :-) we're working on a new form of versioning that more closely mirrors what S3 does, and i'm realizing that it may also satisfy some write-once-read-many feature requests i've heard over the years... | 16:50 |
| smcginnis | timburke: That sounds great. | 16:51 |
| jokke_ | idlemind: you would need to define container format for it and make Nova/Cinder understnd it or use 2 images you create volumes from | 17:07 |
| rosmaita | jokke_: +A | 17:08 |
| idlemind | jokke_ thanks, i'm also looking at a guestfish thing to rework the disks into a single qcow | 17:08 |
| idlemind | jokke_ or is it more common to go the container format route when working with these wonderful vm appliance types | 17:09 |
| jokke_ | idlemind: nope not really | 17:09 |
| jokke_ | so if you have a way to smash them together beforehand it will make your lif much easier | 17:09 |
| idlemind | ya i imagine it's becoming less of a problem as more and more stuff is going cloud native | 17:09 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: thanks, we should have RC2== 19.0.0 "soon" (tm) | 17:10 |
| rosmaita | smcginnis: when you say "Deadlines are generally the Thursday of the week on which they are noted", does that mean 23:59 UTC on that Thursday? | 17:11 |
| rosmaita | (asking for a friend) | 17:11 |
| jokke_ | I'm sure it's Thursday where ever release PTL happens to live :D | 17:13 |
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| smcginnis | rosmaita: Thursday's whenever I get too tired to check on things. :D | 17:50 |
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| openstackgerrit | Akihiro Motoki proposed openstack/glance master: PDF documentation build https://review.opendev.org/684150 | 20:03 |
| openstackgerrit | Akihiro Motoki proposed openstack/glance master: PDF documentation build https://review.opendev.org/684150 | 20:04 |
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