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| Adri2000 | hello, yesterday I asked a question about what is supposed to happen when an image still in use by an instance is deleted from glance, and I was probably confused about what is glance vs nova responsability... is glance supposed to "keep" a deleted image somewhere if it's in use by a running instance? or does glance immediately drop the image and it's nova's responsability to keep a copy of that | 13:39 |
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| Adri2000 | image? | 13:39 |
| rosmaita | Adri2000: when nova boots an instance, it downloads the image data to the hypervisor and then boots from the local virtual disk it creates. So if you delete the image, it should have no effect on a running instance | 13:56 |
| rosmaita | Adri2000: but you may not be able to do some nova operations, for instance i think an instance rebuild may require the original image | 13:57 |
| rosmaita | Adri2000: and to answer your question about glance, glance deletes the image when you request it, glance does not keep track of whether an image is in user or not | 13:57 |
| rosmaita | Adri2000: but there is a 'protected' image property you can set to prevent an image from being deleted on the glance side | 13:58 |
| rosmaita | that way, if you have an image in your project that you don't want one of the users in the project to delete by mistake, you have it protected | 13:58 |
| rosmaita | (though of course anyone in your project can set protected:false and then delete the image if they really want to) | 13:59 |
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| jokke_ | also there is some cases when backend tracks the usage and refuses to delete an image that is in use | 14:09 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: do you want that in as is? The schema text looks very very confusing for me | 14:38 |
| rosmaita | jokke_: you mean the description patch? | 14:38 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: yah | 14:39 |
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| rosmaita | i will revise the patch and include a release note if you think it's worth getting in | 14:39 |
| rosmaita | i think the spec-lite needs approval first | 14:39 |
| rosmaita | didn't want to waste time fixing the schema text if you didn't think it was worth getting into stein | 14:40 |
| jokke_ | So bit confused. Is that like metadef thing or actually reserved property? | 14:43 |
| rosmaita | sort of in-between ... we have these 'common image properties' that show up in the schema, most of them are not columns in the 'images' table, but are stored in 'image_properties' table like normal user-specified-properties | 14:44 |
| rosmaita | the idea is that we can have some "standard" properties for interoperability without messing with the images table | 14:45 |
| jokke_ | yeah just reading the spec lite | 14:45 |
| rosmaita | supposed to make us very agile | 14:45 |
| rosmaita | ok | 14:45 |
| jokke_ | makes much more sense than the patch alone | 14:45 |
| rosmaita | yeah, the patch alone is probably very terse | 14:45 |
| jokke_ | lol ... I'm almost tempted to just -2 that spec lite purely because the alternative option :P | 14:46 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/glance_store master: Update master for stable/stein https://review.openstack.org/643990 | 14:51 |
| rosmaita | jokke_: looking -- i don't remember the alternative option | 14:55 |
| jokke_ | just commented on spec lite | 14:56 |
| Adri2000 | rosmaita: thanks for your explanation | 15:00 |
| rosmaita | Adri2000: hth | 15:00 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: actually, hold the press | 15:00 |
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| jokke_ | I do not think we should reserve the description to the common image properties based on our current statement of them. So here is my thinking. This is great user facing prposal, yet we define our useful image properties as "You can set image properties that can be consumed by other services to affect the behavior of those other services." All of our properties are actually something that can be m | 15:05 |
| jokke_ | achine proecessed say by nova or cinder to make a resonable assumption how that image should be processed. Description does not fit into this. | 15:05 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: let me know what you think ^^ | 15:05 |
| rosmaita | it sort of fits if you think of horizon | 15:06 |
| jokke_ | So what can horizon do to alter it's way to process that image if it has freeform description? | 15:06 |
| rosmaita | it's meant to be used by a UI to display tooltips about what the image is good for | 15:07 |
| rosmaita | if it's not there, you don't get a tooltip, that's how it affects the consuming service | 15:07 |
| openstackgerrit | Brian Rosmaita proposed openstack/glance_store master: WIP: Refactor functional tests to use more realistic data https://review.openstack.org/644895 | 15:10 |
| jokke_ | tbh I can't remember when I have last time used Horizon, is horizon actually doing this or is this hypothetical use case? | 15:12 |
| jokke_ | So my point is ... I'm totally pro having description as actual coordinated thing in image. My question is is the properties as based on their definition the right place for that and do we have already something similar in the metadefs? | 15:13 |
| rosmaita | they do it for some resources, that's why it's requested for images | 15:13 |
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| rosmaita | i think the common image properties may also be in the metadefs | 15:14 |
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| rosmaita | not sure this is a good candidate for metadafs because the content is human-readable text | 15:14 |
| rosmaita | metadefs are mostly to allow you to specify enumerations to keep the values consistent | 15:15 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/python-glanceclient master: Update master for stable/stein https://review.openstack.org/644144 | 15:17 |
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| openstackgerrit | Brian Rosmaita proposed openstack/glance_store master: WIP: Refactor functional tests to use more realistic data https://review.openstack.org/644895 | 15:19 |
| jokke_ | yeah just looking our metadefs and this is like a summary for the lazy who don't bother to fill in the metadefs :D | 15:21 |
| openstackgerrit | jacky06 proposed openstack/python-glanceclient master: Update hacking version https://review.openstack.org/641400 | 15:21 |
| rosmaita | jokke_: exactly! | 15:22 |
| jokke_ | I thought somehow this was overlapping with the whole metadefs thing but I think it makes sense | 15:22 |
| jokke_ | The descriptions of the description on the patch itself needs to be rewritten 'though. | 15:23 |
| rosmaita | yeah, are you ok with the suggestion i made? | 15:24 |
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| jokke_ | yeah | 15:33 |
| rosmaita | just saw that, am revising now | 15:34 |
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| openstackgerrit | Brian Rosmaita proposed openstack/glance master: Add description to common image properties https://review.openstack.org/620433 | 15:54 |
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| jokke_ | rosmaita: I need some food ... back in a bit | 16:23 |
| rosmaita | k | 16:23 |
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| imacdonn | Q: am I supposed to submit a change to move my spec(-lite) from "approved" to "implemented", or does some project release process take care of that ? | 16:27 |
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| jokke_ | imacdonn: we can take care of that, np | 16:31 |
| imacdonn | k, thanks | 16:33 |
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| openstackgerrit | Brian Rosmaita proposed openstack/glance-specs master: Spec Lite: Add description field to image https://review.openstack.org/623405 | 21:29 |
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| itlinux | hello guys.. | 23:09 |
| itlinux | I have a strange issue I wonder if anyone can let me know what this means https://snag.gy/SdvwFK.jpg | 23:09 |
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| rosmaita | itlinux: sounds like you are trying to import an image into glance but the glance-direct import method is not enabled -- see https://developer.openstack.org/api-ref/image/v2/index.html#interoperable-image-import | 23:56 |
| itlinux | thanks.. | 23:59 |
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