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| openstackgerrit | wangxiyuan proposed openstack/glance master: CI check https://review.openstack.org/566206 | 02:56 |
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| openstackgerrit | Abhishek Kekane proposed openstack/glance master: DNM: Fix scrubber failure https://review.openstack.org/566262 | 09:42 |
| abhishekk | jokke_, you around? | 09:43 |
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| openstackgerrit | Abhishek Kekane proposed openstack/glance master: DNM: Fix scrubber failure https://review.openstack.org/566262 | 09:57 |
| jokke_ | abhishekk: yup | 09:58 |
| abhishekk | jokke_, good time to discuss for multi-store specs? | 09:59 |
| jokke_ | can you give me like 10 min before? | 10:02 |
| abhishekk | jokke_, yes | 10:04 |
| jokke_ | cool I'll be right back | 10:04 |
| abhishekk | ok | 10:07 |
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| jokke_ | ok, sorry for that ... so what's on your mind? | 10:24 |
| abhishekk | so I have uploaded a new patch for the spec | 10:25 |
| abhishekk | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/562467/5/specs/rocky/approved/glance/multi-store.rst | 10:25 |
| abhishekk | where I have proposed to deprecate stores and default_store config option and introduce new options, enable_backends and default_multi_store | 10:26 |
| abhishekk | Also recommended to add new store like, add, get, delete etc and old will be removed after the end of deprecation period | 10:28 |
| abhishekk | * new store api's | 10:28 |
| jokke_ | Just a sec ... I'm reading the latest changes you made to the spec | 10:28 |
| abhishekk | yep | 10:29 |
| jokke_ | thanks for the details there. Even I do understand what the problem is ;P | 10:29 |
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| abhishekk | :D | 10:29 |
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| jokke_ | ok, so I do see one thing I'm not sure how to tackle yet, but lets go through first what you had on your mind ... so what exactly you wanted talk about? | 10:34 |
| abhishekk | I wanted to talk about should we use same default_store option and remove the choices option from it to avoid failure which I have mentioned? | 10:35 |
| abhishekk | 2. I am keeping old code as it is which will be removed after deprecation period is over | 10:36 |
| abhishekk | 3. Or still we should go in earlier way which I posted in PS 4? | 10:37 |
| jokke_ | ok, so we definitely want to have some default store there to keep the user experience as seamless as possible | 10:37 |
| jokke_ | for those users who does not care where their image lives, we should not expect them to specify the store as they haven't needed to do so far | 10:38 |
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| jokke_ | so there needs to be the operator preferred store if you wish where the images will land if the user does not specify which store they want to use | 10:39 |
| jokke_ | and I think it needs to be mandatory to set to keep the user experience | 10:39 |
| jokke_ | I hope that makes sense | 10:40 |
| abhishekk | So if default_store is not set then it should be the first store from the enable_backends ? | 10:40 |
| jokke_ | no I think it always needs to be set | 10:40 |
| abhishekk | So if not set then error will be ok? | 10:41 |
| jokke_ | because specially if the config option is dict we never know what the first one happens to be | 10:41 |
| abhishekk | jokke_, that is correct | 10:41 |
| jokke_ | we want the operators to specify one store and that being consistent even if they happen to add more stores etc | 10:41 |
| jokke_ | like they had done until now | 10:42 |
| jokke_ | so it really doesn't change anything | 10:42 |
| abhishekk | then current proposal sounds good? if not set by the operator then it will raise error? | 10:42 |
| jokke_ | even if you had only one store enabled you still had to specify the default | 10:42 |
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| jokke_ | I'm fine with that | 10:43 |
| abhishekk | in current case if operator doesn't sepcify the it takes default as file | 10:43 |
| jokke_ | it does? | 10:43 |
| abhishekk | yes | 10:43 |
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| jokke_ | and what happens if file store is not in the enabled stores list? | 10:43 |
| jokke_ | does it just barf? | 10:43 |
| abhishekk | that I haven't checked ;) | 10:44 |
| abhishekk | https://github.com/openstack/glance_store/blob/master/glance_store/backend.py#L58 | 10:44 |
| jokke_ | yeah | 10:45 |
| jokke_ | so it's mentioned there that the store needs to be enabled, but I'm not sure either how it behaves if it's not | 10:46 |
| abhishekk | I will check that behavior on monday during my time | 10:46 |
| jokke_ | and the second question you had about the old code and deprecation, we will need to maintain the backwards compatibility for the glance_store API until the deprecation and removal | 10:47 |
| jokke_ | which might be pain | 10:47 |
| abhishekk | So for that, I think I will write totally new code and add deprecation comment to the code | 10:48 |
| abhishekk | old code I mean | 10:48 |
| jokke_ | that likely is the easiest approach | 10:48 |
| jokke_ | which brings us to my concern | 10:49 |
| abhishekk | tell me | 10:49 |
| jokke_ | for upgrade migration path. Say cloud get upgraded to the new code how in earth do we deal with the migrations of the locations from the old stores to the new ones? | 10:50 |
| jokke_ | say operator wants to use 3 rdb stores instead of just one | 10:50 |
| jokke_ | how we make the decision which of the 3 stores that image record actually belongs to | 10:50 |
| jokke_ | same with if the operator decides to change the store-id/name of the store | 10:51 |
| jokke_ | 'cause we obviously need to facilitate this somehow in the db end | 10:51 |
| abhishekk | 2nd one will be really a mess | 10:51 |
| abhishekk | 1st case we can handle with easy way out | 10:52 |
| abhishekk | but second one we should not allow and document the same? | 10:52 |
| abhishekk | For 1st one, if existing user is using ceph backend say ceph1 and now he added two new backends ceph2 and ceph3 then he should mention ceph1 as default store so that he will be able to download his earlier images | 10:54 |
| jokke_ | I'm not sure if not allowing it is just good enough ... I bet that will raise quite a bit of resistance .. | 10:54 |
| abhishekk | then, we need to provide one utility tool to take care of that | 10:54 |
| jokke_ | no I mean if existing user uses the rdb driver and they move to ceph1, ceph2 and ceph3 ... they all uses the same driver but different backend | 10:55 |
| jokke_ | how do we deal about that in the locations records | 10:55 |
| abhishekk | that what I am saying | 10:56 |
| abhishekk | see the existing backend is ceph with rbd driver which will now become ceph1 and operator will add two new ceph backends ceph2 and ceph3 | 10:57 |
| jokke_ | I don't think it's realistic assumption to expect all the operators to stick with their old backend as default forever just because they have some legacy images | 10:57 |
| jokke_ | there is no continuation path what so ever for deprecating that old store | 10:58 |
| jokke_ | as it will get all the new images per default | 10:58 |
| abhishekk | what's the problem in mentioning old store as a default one? | 10:59 |
| jokke_ | one option would be to have that utility code, like glance-manage doing the translation on the operator's request | 10:59 |
| abhishekk | because we are going to provide a facility to upload the image to specified backend | 10:59 |
| jokke_ | well say the operator moves to ceph1 ceph2 ceph3 .... year down the line they want to deprecate ceph1 and change the default to ceph4 to bleed to ceph1 empty for removal on natural image lifecycle | 11:00 |
| abhishekk | yes, that will be one option to have a utility function in glance-manage which will update the location metadata for existing images | 11:00 |
| abhishekk | jokke_, understood | 11:01 |
| jokke_ | they won't be able to set the default away from ceph1 as the code depends the old store being default | 11:01 |
| abhishekk | jokke_, got it | 11:01 |
| jokke_ | the other option would be likely quite messy as well but we could walk through all the rdb stores when the image is requested and update the location record on access when we figure out in which store it actually lives in | 11:02 |
| abhishekk | So we can provide two utility function, 1 for updating existing images and 2 for if operator wants to change the store identifier | 11:02 |
| jokke_ | my main point is, we need to have some plan how to do this | 11:02 |
| abhishekk | 2nd option will hit the performance | 11:03 |
| jokke_ | it will delay the first access of the old style location a bit | 11:04 |
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| abhishekk | I will work on second approach which you have suggested | 11:05 |
| jokke_ | but it would be easier migration for everyone and I think possibly more resilient in case some error is made | 11:05 |
| abhishekk | yep | 11:05 |
| jokke_ | It just might be quite pain to do | 11:05 |
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| abhishekk | yes | 11:06 |
| jokke_ | so it was just an idea I wanted to throw out there as an option. My main point is the whole migration path from old to new is not taken into account in the spec at all | 11:06 |
| jokke_ | so we need to have some plan documented and discussed there | 11:06 |
| abhishekk | I have hit this, but I thought mentioning the old store as default will solve the problem ;) | 11:07 |
| abhishekk | Ok, so on monday I will add this in the specs | 11:08 |
| jokke_ | thanks ... did you have something else on the specifics or is this sufficient for you to move forward and I'll just wait for the new revision next week? | 11:09 |
| abhishekk | jokke_, please add these concerns on the specs for the record | 11:09 |
| abhishekk | jokke_, I guess at the moment this is sufficient | 11:10 |
| jokke_ | ok, will do | 11:10 |
| abhishekk | thank you for your time :D | 11:10 |
| jokke_ | always | 11:10 |
| jokke_ | now go and enjoy weekend with the family ;D | 11:11 |
| jokke_ | it's getting late for you | 11:11 |
| abhishekk | jokke_, thank you :D | 11:11 |
| abhishekk | have a nice weekend | 11:11 |
| jokke_ | U2 | 11:11 |
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| rabel_ | hi there. which permission needs to be set for a role in policy.json in order to allow system-wide member-update? | 14:20 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/glance_store master: Fix wrong links in glance_store https://review.openstack.org/557919 | 14:32 |
| rabel_ | seems to be hardcoded in authorization.py . so system-wide member-update is only for admins. am i correct? | 14:34 |
| rosmaita | rabel_: what do you mean by system-wide member update? | 14:39 |
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| rabel_ | rosmaita: glance member-update for member projects without having any role assigned in that project | 14:41 |
| rabel_ | to create some kind of "image admin" role | 14:42 |
| rabel_ | btw: image membership cannot be handled via horizon, right? | 14:43 |
| rosmaita | rabel_: you are correct that a user must either be an admin or in the project that's an image-member in order to change the member status ... the policy file only governs whether the user can make the member-update call or not. | 14:43 |
| rosmaita | rabel_: do not know about how/whether horizon does image sharing or not | 14:44 |
| rabel_ | rosmaita: ok, thank you! | 14:45 |
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| rosmaita | smcginnis, jokke_ : around? | 15:09 |
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| smcginnis | rosmaita: I am now for a little bit. What's up? | 15:20 |
| rosmaita | two quick doc reviews for you | 15:21 |
| smcginnis | Oh good, those are easy ones. :) | 15:21 |
| rosmaita | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/565782/ | 15:21 |
| rosmaita | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/358946/ | 15:21 |
| smcginnis | Looking... | 15:21 |
| rosmaita | it's friday, don't want to give you anything too tough | 15:21 |
| rosmaita | thanks | 15:22 |
| smcginnis | Wow, that's an old one. | 15:22 |
| rosmaita | yeah | 15:22 |
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| smcginnis | Easy peasy | 15:25 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/python-glanceclient master: Update property keys document https://review.openstack.org/565782 | 15:35 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/glance master: [api-ref] "Show images" should be changed to "List images" https://review.openstack.org/358946 | 16:44 |
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| openstackgerrit | Brian Rosmaita proposed openstack/glance master: DNM: Fix scrubber failure https://review.openstack.org/566262 | 17:26 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: now here for a moment. How is it looking? | 17:53 |
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