| stevelle | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/217282 -- basically looking at two years from first patch set to the soonest release. OpenStack! :) | 00:01 |
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| tovin07 | dharinic, hi | 04:25 |
| dharinic | tovin07: Hi. | 04:25 |
| tovin07 | can you take look at this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/316799/ | 04:25 |
| tovin07 | I see your comment and replied 2 weeks ago | 04:26 |
| dharinic | tovin07: I was asking why you had admin context in the PS. | 04:27 |
| tovin07 | yes | 04:27 |
| tovin07 | It is required by messaging driver (only) in OSprofiler | 04:27 |
| dharinic | tovin07: I will have to dig in more. Will do so first thing tomorrow and leave a response. | 04:28 |
| dharinic | Thank you for the reminder tovin07 | 04:29 |
| tovin07 | Thank you :D | 04:29 |
| dharinic | :) | 04:30 |
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| rosmaita | Courtesy meeting reminder on #openstack-meeting-4: ativelkov, cpallares, flaper87, flwang1, hemanthm, jokke_, kragniz, lakshmiS, mclaren, mfedosin, nikhil_k, Nikolay_St, Olena, pennerc, rosmaita, sigmavirus24, sabari, TravT, ajayaa, GB21, bpoulos, harshs, abhishek, bunting, dshakhray, wxy, dhellmann, kairat, aavraham, alex_bash | 13:59 |
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| jcook | dharinic hemanthm ^ | 14:12 |
| dharinic | Thank you jcook. | 14:14 |
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| rosmaita | i don't recall what it is we were going to discuss | 15:01 |
| hemanthm | I think I should read the new guidelines before saying too much | 15:01 |
| jokke__ | microversions -2, done :) | 15:01 |
| rosmaita | oh, right | 15:01 |
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| rosmaita | yeah, the guidelines are still under development | 15:01 |
| rosmaita | but will be closed soon | 15:01 |
| hemanthm | but essentially, my concern is that we often seem to miss the line between what's API and what's our implementation of the API | 15:01 |
| stevelle | I don't know that I can represent jokke__'s objections to microversions but I understand it to be, when reduced absurdly, to "hey look, it's a foot gun!" | 15:02 |
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| stevelle | hemanthm: not sure I follow | 15:03 |
| stevelle | are you suggesting we have bugs in the api implementation? | 15:03 |
| jokke__ | stevelle: we do ... they get discovered pretty much monthly basis | 15:04 |
| stevelle | jokke__: :) | 15:04 |
| hemanthm | stevelle: maybe I'm getting very philosophical but what is OpenStack? Is OpenStack a set of APIs and a reference implementation of those APIs? | 15:04 |
| stevelle | If OpenStack is what we publish at release time then they are features, not bugs. | 15:05 |
| jokke__ | hemanthm: no, the definition very clearly states that to be able to call it OpenStack you need to run the code provided by specific project (ref defcore) | 15:05 |
| rosmaita | jokke__ is correct about that | 15:05 |
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| stevelle | the undefined corners matter a lot | 15:06 |
| jokke_ | stevelle: we're not microsoft either ... buggy behavior is bug regardless if it's released or not | 15:06 |
| stevelle | not gonna defend microsoft's software, but they are right to not break APIs often. | 15:06 |
| jokke_ | stevelle: well that's why we have left lots of those bugs unfixed | 15:07 |
| jokke_ | as the impact would have been too big | 15:07 |
| stevelle | no disagreement | 15:07 |
| jokke_ | but difference bentween won't fix and invalid when closing bug is quite significant | 15:08 |
| hemanthm | I don't have a strong opinion yet on the microvesions stuff but I'd like to understand why jokke_ is against them. | 15:08 |
| stevelle | I don't want microversions either, but that is because I don't want to maintain all the steps | 15:08 |
| hemanthm | The overhead is too large I guess | 15:09 |
| stevelle | if we make fewer steps, my objections melt. like say once every 2 to 4 cycles | 15:09 |
| jokke_ | just to clarify to anyone who does not see my point yet. We do barely have the manpower to maintain our current code. The amount of rendundant code microversions would force us to write and complexity it brings is just unbearable for this team | 15:09 |
| hemanthm | +1 | 15:10 |
| jokke_ | and due to the stability aspect in OpenStack, I'm not willing to "Lets try this and see how it goes" | 15:10 |
| jokke_ | as there will be no turning back | 15:11 |
| jokke_ | ever | 15:11 |
| stevelle | so, you can undo microversions in the next major version bump is what I hear | 15:11 |
| jokke_ | stevelle: if and only if we get to deprecate and remove the old major API versions as well | 15:12 |
| stevelle | that is how I plan to argue in support of the "don't change stuff" alternative | 15:13 |
| stevelle | the trick then is how we get defcore to allow us to drop old majors | 15:14 |
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| rosmaita | i think the nova model is that they will never have a major version bump | 15:16 |
| rosmaita | and they're pretty much the arbiters of what microversions means in openstack | 15:16 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: for now | 15:16 |
| rosmaita | (just throwing that out there) | 15:16 |
| jokke_ | and they have the manpower to deal with that duplication and redundancy for now | 15:16 |
| rosmaita | yeah, i'm not disagreeing with you | 15:17 |
| stevelle | that is true, which is how we know we can't afford to risk that code bloat and overhead | 15:17 |
| stevelle | the simplest solution is to not change the v2 API | 15:17 |
| stevelle | (with the exception that the import flow is already green lit) | 15:18 |
| stevelle | let's get the crucial parts of this correct now, paying attention to return codes and the like | 15:18 |
| jokke_ | stevelle: so if the tag definition goes through, we don't need to worry about rushing those | 15:19 |
| jokke_ | as we just won't be asserting that tag | 15:20 |
| jokke_ | and that will give us quite a bit of freedom to do the right thing | 15:20 |
| stevelle | that can be true, but doesn't change the fact that we shouldn't be constantly tweaking the api | 15:20 |
| jokke_ | I do agree and disagree | 15:20 |
| jokke_ | we should not change the api, I don't see as much of a problem extending it | 15:21 |
| stevelle | when we tweak the api, do it infrequently and get it right. | 15:21 |
| jokke_ | ++ | 15:21 |
| stevelle | and even then I'd argue for lumping the changes up | 15:21 |
| stevelle | so there is only one release every 4 cycles where and API change might occur | 15:22 |
| stevelle | set cadence for predictability | 15:22 |
| jokke_ | I don't see that happening, but I do see your point | 15:22 |
| stevelle | ofc that's not enforceable and none of us will be working on glance then to even shake our canes at the youngins | 15:23 |
| jokke_ | :D | 15:23 |
| * jokke_ wonders if rosmaita dropped the mic already | 15:23 | |
| rosmaita | (sorry, i've been in searchlight meeting) | 15:24 |
| rosmaita | (give me a few min to scroll back) | 15:24 |
| stevelle | I'll stop talking for a bit and wait to see what hemanthm and others have to add | 15:25 |
| rosmaita | it's a complicated situation | 15:26 |
| rosmaita | (duh!) | 15:26 |
| rosmaita | i had some arguments in the really early patches on that api guideline | 15:27 |
| rosmaita | but as the conversation there has developed, it's pretty much going to be argeed that | 15:27 |
| rosmaita | if you want to make API changes, you have to use microversions | 15:28 |
| rosmaita | (if you want the tag) | 15:28 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: so that makes it really simple and easy | 15:29 |
| hemanthm | stevelle: I subscribe to the idea that API shouldn't change frequently. But, I do agree with jokke_ that it's a lot of overhead for us | 15:29 |
| rosmaita | and, there's no compelling reason to have the tag, except that if the point of the tag is to make openstack stable, then all the "core" projects have to assert it | 15:29 |
| rosmaita | but, without dev-power to throw at microversioning, i don't see us doing it | 15:30 |
| rosmaita | so, if we don't make aPI changes, we can have the tag without microversions | 15:30 |
| jokke_ | next step is then that the crying starts why glance is not asserting the tag, first there is community goal to assert it, so we don't; then there comes TC involved with resolution and so we don't and I have absolutely no problem defending that stand from our side | 15:30 |
| hemanthm | rosmaita: we also lost our diverse affiliation tag for the same reason | 15:31 |
| rosmaita | yeah, during the last cycle i heard that a log, "why don't you have microversions yet?", like they were well-defined and easy to implement | 15:31 |
| stevelle | we lost that because we are too heavy on rackspace in ocata | 15:32 |
| stevelle | I checked last night | 15:32 |
| rosmaita | stevelle: did you run the script? | 15:32 |
| hemanthm | stevelle: yes, but that's because we lost folks from other companies | 15:32 |
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| stevelle | I'll stop reviewing things to skew things back | 15:32 |
| stevelle | rosmaita: it wasn't even close, we were clearly over | 15:33 |
| jokke_ | I'll do the opposite | 15:33 |
| rosmaita | the diversity tag is not that important! | 15:33 |
| rosmaita | yeah, jokke_ we need RH contribuitions | 15:33 |
| rosmaita | :) | 15:33 |
| jokke_ | nope ... we're well established project | 15:33 |
| hemanthm | it isn't, I'm saying the lack of contributors is apparent and losing diverse affiliation tag is one evidence of it | 15:33 |
| stevelle | it is a health indicator, maybe not a terribly accurate one though | 15:33 |
| jokke_ | the diversity tag is way more important for the fresh projects to assure their existance even if that one company pulls out | 15:34 |
| jokke_ | hemanthm: yes, that is very true | 15:34 |
| rosmaita | yeah, but if rackspace had pulled the plug on upstream dev, glance would be in big trouble atm | 15:34 |
| stevelle | exactly | 15:35 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: in big trouble, yes, disappearing in a cycle, most likely not | 15:35 |
| rosmaita | yeah, we could just repackage ocata as "pike" | 15:36 |
| rosmaita | and "pike" as "queens" | 15:36 |
| jokke_ | pretty much :D | 15:36 |
| rosmaita | wonder when people would catch on? | 15:36 |
| jokke_ | few bug fixes here and there | 15:36 |
| jokke_ | rosmaita: they would be super happy as the API was finally stable | 15:36 |
| jokke_ | ;) | 15:37 |
| hemanthm | cool, then we are not doing tasks? :) | 15:37 |
| rosmaita | we could assert the tag, anyway! | 15:37 |
| jokke_ | LOL | 15:37 |
| rosmaita | no, no, this is all hypothetical talk | 15:37 |
| rosmaita | everyone get back to work! | 15:37 |
| jokke_ | indeed ... and I'm happy that it is so | 15:37 |
| jokke_ | so lets get back to changing our API (IIR work) and I have some overhead to take care of as well | 15:41 |
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| rosmaita | ok, cool | 15:45 |
| rosmaita | my feeling is that there's nothing to add to the API stability guidelines patch ... my reason for bringing it up at the meeting is that my feeling could be ocata-api-change-fatigue. so i wanted people to be aware of its existence in case they had something helpful to add | 15:46 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/glance master: Remove the remaining code after glare-ectomy https://review.openstack.org/446985 | 19:55 |
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| bjornar_ | I do not understand this: | 21:49 |
| bjornar_ | MissingRequiredOptions: Auth plugin requires parameters which were not given: auth_url | 21:49 |
| bjornar_ | this is stable/ocata | 21:49 |
| bjornar_ | I mean, all docs I can find say that auth_url is deprecated.. | 21:50 |
| dharinic | bjornar_: Are you using the swift_store_config_file? | 21:55 |
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| bjornar_ | no.. | 22:04 |
| bjornar_ | makes absolutely no sense to me | 22:05 |
| dharinic | Assuming you are using swift, I think you are missing swift_store_auth_address | 22:17 |
| bjornar_ | its not swift | 22:17 |
| bjornar_ | I just find this hard to understand, as auth_url says deprecated in config, but apparently keystone auth_type password uses auth_url for something.. | 22:17 |
| dharinic | deprecated is not removed bjornar_ | 22:18 |
| dharinic | You must be missing something required with respect to that.. | 22:18 |
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| openstackgerrit | Alexander Bashmakov proposed openstack/glance master: Fix and enable two funcitonal tests on py35. https://review.openstack.org/436161 | 22:33 |
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| bjornar_ | So what am I supposed to set for auth_type ? user_token? | 22:44 |
| bjornar_ | but how can it be deprecated _and_ required? | 22:46 |
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