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| nikhil | flwang: hi | 01:41 |
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| flwang | nikhil: | 01:46 |
| flwang | hi | 01:46 |
| flwang | hongbin: around? | 01:47 |
| flwang | hongbin_: ^ | 01:47 |
| hongbin_ | yes | 01:47 |
| flwang | hongbin_: would you mind explaining the requirement of zun for glance? | 01:47 |
| flwang | for the image support | 01:47 |
| hongbin_ | sure | 01:47 |
| hongbin_ | The basic is to support layer of images | 01:48 |
| hongbin_ | There are several advanced requirements | 01:48 |
| hongbin_ | Such as configure it as a cache for public docker registry | 01:48 |
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| hongbin_ | Provide a docker registry compatible API | 01:49 |
| hongbin_ | etc. | 01:49 |
| hongbin_ | flwang: ^^ | 01:50 |
| flwang | nikhil: ^ | 01:51 |
| kragniz | what level of support for layers do you need? | 01:53 |
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| kragniz | I mean, you could probably hack something up where each layer is stored as a single glance image | 01:54 |
| hongbin_ | Yes, that will work. | 01:55 |
| flwang | kragniz: instead of hacking, zun is looking for a native support, i think | 01:55 |
| hongbin_ | but it is better to have a holistic support | 01:55 |
| hongbin_ | Maybe it is not just for Zun, magnum also has a similiar requirement | 01:56 |
| kragniz | so adding something to the api where you can request all the ancestors of a layer? | 01:56 |
| hongbin_ | Maybe the API don't need to change | 01:57 |
| hongbin_ | But support a docker image type, that store and retrieve layer of images | 01:57 |
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| nikhil | (I'm listening) | 01:58 |
| kragniz | so when you get that image from glance, you get a copy of all the layers in one go? | 01:58 |
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| hongbin_ | yes | 01:58 |
| hongbin_ | The behavior should be similiar to docker pull | 01:59 |
| nikhil | hongbin: I'm curious if this can be implemented client side? | 01:59 |
| nikhil | I know it's a bit of stretch | 01:59 |
| kragniz | doesn't docker pull request each layer in turn? | 01:59 |
| hongbin_ | nikhil: Yes, it can be implemented in client side, if that is the best approach | 02:00 |
| kragniz | (I've only implemented part of the v1 docker api, so it might be different in v2) | 02:00 |
| flwang | nikhil: but i think we do need some support in glance to maintain the chain/relationship | 02:00 |
| nikhil | The concept of deltas isn't a new thing | 02:00 |
| flwang | i mean the relationship between image layers | 02:01 |
| nikhil | flwang: yes, unfortunately that isn't so easy. It was the very reason I had started pursuing concept of artifacts ;) but only a few understood my insistence | 02:02 |
| kragniz | couldn't it be done using image properties? | 02:02 |
| nikhil | But glare as of today is in no position to support images API | 02:02 |
| flwang | kragniz: +1 | 02:02 |
| kragniz | so each layer has a property that points at its ancestor | 02:02 |
| nikhil | kragniz: that's exactly I was getting at | 02:02 |
| flwang | i prefer to use image properties | 02:02 |
| nikhil | By client side | 02:02 |
| kragniz | like a linked list of deltas | 02:02 |
| nikhil | But | 02:03 |
| flwang | but we need reserved property name | 02:03 |
| nikhil | You have a BIG problem doing that | 02:03 |
| flwang | how BIG is big :) | 02:03 |
| nikhil | ... You need to maintain the images that are in use | 02:04 |
| nikhil | And... | 02:04 |
| nikhil | If you are using something that can't be deleted but someone does (a part of chain), the whole thing comes down | 02:05 |
| nikhil | Think of it as reimplementing git tree logic client side | 02:05 |
| nikhil | Your deletes, updates etc will also need to be aware of the chain | 02:06 |
| flwang | can we support flatten? | 02:06 |
| nikhil | Essentially, a single image is independent entity today | 02:06 |
| nikhil | Layering will call for a change in that concept | 02:07 |
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| flwang | but here, when you delete an image in the chain, you should got a warning | 02:07 |
| kragniz | I mean, if you delete something you need, you're going to have problems | 02:07 |
| flwang | about what will happen | 02:07 |
| flwang | because those users are in the same tenant | 02:07 |
| flwang | and they should know what they're doing, no? | 02:08 |
| nikhil | Who is supposed to verify all that? | 02:08 |
| nikhil | For each delete, we will expect GET calls to the chain | 02:08 |
| hongbin_ | I think users should not be given pemission to delete individual layers. Maybe all layers should be hidden from end-users | 02:08 |
| nikhil | For each GET we will need multiple GETs | 02:08 |
| nikhil | hongbin: yeah, exactly | 02:08 |
| flwang | nikhil: i agree with hongbin_, user can't delete single image in the chain | 02:09 |
| nikhil | Ability to do this is horrendous experience | 02:09 |
| flwang | unless he delete the latest/leaf first | 02:09 |
| nikhil | flwang: yep, and to implement that you need to implement a whole git tree like logic | 02:09 |
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| nikhil | Basically, it's a distributed version control system | 02:10 |
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| nikhil | Because, potentially you can boot something of a nonleaf and create a timeline for that image | 02:10 |
| nikhil | In the worst case, you end up with a complete binary tree | 02:11 |
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| flwang | nikhil: +1 | 02:11 |
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| hongbin_ | I see. That is the reason Glance don't want the docker image support | 02:12 |
| nikhil | hongbin_: I am strongly in favor of this use case | 02:12 |
| nikhil | hongbin_: not exactly | 02:12 |
| kragniz | could you abuse metadefs to describe the images and the layers associated with each? | 02:13 |
| nikhil | hongbin_: it's a very complicated problem but to get it right we need to implement right stuff | 02:13 |
| hongbin_ | nikhil: ack | 02:13 |
| kragniz | hongbin_: I'm not sure what you're gaining by making glance deal with docker images over just using a docker registry instance | 02:13 |
| hongbin_ | kragniz: multi-tenant, keystone, ... | 02:14 |
| kragniz | yeah, actually | 02:14 |
| kragniz | good things to have :) | 02:14 |
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| nikhil | hongbin_: because the concept of delta is not just for docker. I what to see glance Support swarm like logic for servers too. xen has a concept of vdi chain and qcow too... | 02:15 |
| hongbin_ | nikhil: ack. Is there any plan for that? | 02:16 |
| nikhil | We need a version control system and I don't have a good answer for it atm | 02:16 |
| hongbin_ | I see | 02:16 |
| nikhil | hongbin_: the plan was glare :) but due to many reasons I see it failing for images | 02:16 |
| nikhil | hongbin_: I'm hoping we will have better answers in ocata . But I would love to keep this conversation open | 02:17 |
| hongbin_ | nikhil: sure. me as well | 02:18 |
| hongbin_ | nikhil: Actually, it is good that Glance is willing to consider the container use cases | 02:18 |
| nikhil | hongbin_: just fyi, there is a nova spec open that talks about xen based deltas. I don't have a link atm but good read for starters on this conversation | 02:19 |
| nikhil | hongbin_: totally | 02:19 |
| hongbin_ | nikhil: ack | 02:19 |
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| hongbin_ | All. Thanks for sharing the information. It is a productive talk | 02:20 |
| hongbin_ | (will leave for a while) | 02:21 |
| flwang | nikhil: should we plan a session in summit about this? | 02:21 |
| nikhil | flwang: may be :) pre-summit for sure to start off | 02:22 |
| flwang | nikhil: ok, cool | 02:22 |
| nikhil | Thanks for coordinating this flwang very helpful and productive | 02:23 |
| * nikhil goes for some food | 02:24 | |
| flwang | nikhil: thank you for your support :D | 02:25 |
| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/glance: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/348621 | 02:28 |
| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/glance_store: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/348622 | 02:28 |
| hongbin_ | nikhil: Hey. Sorry, another question for you | 02:29 |
| hongbin_ | nikhil: I knew many people suggested Glance to support docker image for years, but it seems the work hasn't been started yet. Is that any reason for that? (For example, lack of resources to do that, many objection within the team, etc.) | 02:31 |
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| flwang | hongbin_: i think just we discussed above, it's hard :) | 02:33 |
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| hongbin_ | flwang: I see | 02:34 |
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| flwang | hongbin_: maybe nikhil has a better answer ;) | 02:36 |
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| nikhil | hongbin_: flwang is right. And in reality it's a bit of both. We may get resources temporarily to complete stuff but having maintainers for that is the biggest challenge | 02:43 |
| nikhil | Right about being hard | 02:43 |
| flwang | nikhil: i mentioned that with hongbin_, i had discussion with Sam(https://twitter.com/sam_alba) 3 years ago about this | 02:47 |
| flwang | and unfortunately, (shame), we didn't make much progress on this | 02:48 |
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| nikhil | :) | 03:31 |
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| gparaskevas | Hello there | 09:24 |
| gparaskevas | i have a quick questio, centos 7 installation with packages | 09:24 |
| gparaskevas | when i systemctl start openstack-glance-api or openstack-glance-registry i get this the logs | 09:25 |
| gparaskevas | glance-registry: ImportError: No module named glance.cmd.registry | 09:25 |
| gparaskevas | glance-registry: ImportError: No module named glance.cmd.api -> when i start the api | 09:25 |
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| gparaskevas | does anyone has any clue? | 09:25 |
| gparaskevas | is that something i can pip install? | 09:26 |
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| Dinesh_Bhor | flaper87: Hi, Could you please take a look at it ? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/280571/ | 15:12 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/glance_store: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/348622 | 15:28 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/glance_store: Remove S3 driver https://review.openstack.org/347620 | 15:45 |
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| openstackgerrit | Niall Bunting proposed openstack/glance: Make signature dependencies optional https://review.openstack.org/284941 | 16:13 |
| openstackgerrit | Niall Bunting proposed openstack/glance: Make signature dependencies optional https://review.openstack.org/284941 | 16:14 |
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| nikhil | thanks for the reviews and merge guys, sigmavirus kairat mike and hemanthm ! much appreciated. | 16:56 |
| nikhil | (ref s3 driver) | 16:56 |
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| sbezverk_ | kairat ping | 17:01 |
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| nikhil | https://review.openstack.org/348980 | 17:45 |
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| openstackgerrit | Mike Fedosin proposed openstack/glance: Glare middlewares https://review.openstack.org/330457 | 18:47 |
| openstackgerrit | Mike Fedosin proposed openstack/glance: Glare engine https://review.openstack.org/330456 | 18:47 |
| openstackgerrit | Mike Fedosin proposed openstack/glance: Glare tests https://review.openstack.org/330459 | 18:47 |
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| openstackgerrit | Mike Fedosin proposed openstack/glance: Glare sqlalchemy DB https://review.openstack.org/330453 | 18:47 |
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| openstackgerrit | Mike Fedosin proposed openstack/glance: Glare simple DB https://review.openstack.org/343787 | 18:47 |
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| hemanthm | nikhil: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/348507/ | 19:07 |
| nikhil | hemanthm: yeas? | 19:08 |
| hemanthm | tests failing on that patch | 19:09 |
| nikhil | hemanthm: oh so the glance_store issues persists I guess | 19:11 |
| nikhil | hemanthm: is that what u were saying? | 19:11 |
| hemanthm | yeah, looks like | 19:11 |
| hemanthm | yes | 19:11 |
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| nikhil | hemanthm: I think its a issuewith mirrors on ubuntu | 19:12 |
| nikhil | because glance docs gate works | 19:13 |
| nikhil | and ubuntu did have issues this week like such | 19:13 |
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| hemanthm | nikhil: yeah, that's possible too | 19:14 |
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| sbezverk_ | nikhil when glance client tries to reach glance api service, it contacts keystone for glance endpoint url and then tries to contact glance api usig that url, is this correct? | 20:16 |
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| nikhil | sbezverk_: it should if env is not set or not passed in by user. and assuming you are referring to client CLI | 20:21 |
| sbezverk_ | nikhil: thank you. correct I was refering to client cli. | 20:23 |
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