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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/glance: Add swift_store_cacert to config files and docs https://review.openstack.org/145095 | 13:54 |
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| sigmavirus24 | FWIW, I just started a quick discussion in #openstack-infra that I might move to the mailing list later about the glance_store release next week | 15:04 |
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| kragniz | sigmavirus24: sounds neato | 15:05 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/glance_store: Add capabilities to storage driver https://review.openstack.org/137416 | 15:05 |
| sigmavirus24 | https://github.com/openstack/requirements/blob/master/global-requirements.txt#L35 It was already capped in stable/juno | 15:06 |
| ativelkov | oh, that's good. | 15:07 |
| ativelkov | But then - if we release Stuart's fix with a new version - we'll have to change this cap | 15:08 |
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| sigmavirus24 | ativelkov: we'll have to change the cap then before we fix that so the tests will pass but the problem is that we will have to have a patch to /requirements and make the patches dependent | 15:12 |
| sigmavirus24 | Thankfully we can now do that with jeblair's upgrades to zuul | 15:12 |
| ativelkov | yup | 15:12 |
| * ativelkov has to update semver patch to depend on requirements change, thanks for reminding | 15:13 | |
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| mfedosin | sigmavirus24, hey! just want to know your opinion about sorting api in glance. I want to say in the spec that we should support both syntax for now for multiple keys, but later old one is going to be deprecated. is that correct? | 15:40 |
| sigmavirus24 | mfedosin: so the idea is to use the new sorting syntax going forward in all projects (or at least that's the API-WG's hope for that guideline) | 15:40 |
| sigmavirus24 | So I'm not sure we should be adding support for multiple sort keys in the first place | 15:41 |
| sigmavirus24 | Unless that's already described by an existing (accepted) spec, I'm not sure if we should add it at this point. I've been trying to make up my own mind on that before commenting to that effect though =P | 15:41 |
| * sigmavirus24 can waffle better than IHOP on some things | 15:41 | |
| kragniz | sigmavirus24: that statement doesn't make a lot of sense unless you've been to the US a few times | 15:42 |
| sigmavirus24 | kragniz: good point | 15:43 |
| sigmavirus24 | Also IHOP is a pancake place so it still doesn't make sense even then | 15:43 |
| kragniz | ikr | 15:43 |
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| mfedosin | kragniz, or until you have google to search for it ;) | 15:44 |
| kragniz | I forgot one could google for these things | 15:44 |
| kragniz | pretty glance colors have merged! | 15:44 |
| mfedosin | kragniz, sigmavirus24 okay :) just remember you're talking with non native speaker and it need some time for me to decrypt your messages :D | 15:47 |
| sigmavirus24 | Yeah sorry | 15:47 |
| mfedosin | nevermind :) | 15:47 |
| sigmavirus24 | I can't make up my mind on some things | 15:47 |
| sigmavirus24 | On the one hand, we'd have consistency with some other APIs | 15:48 |
| mfedosin | but about current situation with sorting... | 15:48 |
| sigmavirus24 | On the other hand it'd be nice to gently nudge people towards the new style sorting syntax | 15:48 |
| mfedosin | in glance now we have multiple sorting keys | 15:48 |
| sigmavirus24 | That merged already? | 15:48 |
| * sigmavirus24 missed that | 15:48 | |
| mfedosin | yep, long time ago | 15:48 |
| mfedosin | last year | 15:49 |
| mfedosin | and client support's not provided yet | 15:49 |
| mfedosin | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/120727/ | 15:50 |
| mfedosin | sigmavirus24, so I think I have to mention this in the spec. | 15:54 |
| mfedosin | And also I want there will be 2 sorting syntax for some time with fully supported multiple keys and dirs. | 15:54 |
| sigmavirus24 | Ah. I thought for some reason the API and client didn't support either | 15:54 |
| sigmavirus24 | mfedosin: so yeah a deprecation path should be mentioned but I don't think we should remove the older style until v3 | 15:55 |
| sigmavirus24 | Like, not even based on cycles, just like Glance API v3 will remove the old sort_dir/sort_key syntax | 15:55 |
| mfedosin | sure, I agree with that | 15:55 |
| sigmavirus24 | Because I don't think we should remove it before then | 15:55 |
| sigmavirus24 | glanceclient's deprecation path can (and should) be different because I don't know when (if ever) we'll release 1.0 | 15:56 |
| sigmavirus24 | technically 1.0 would be the only time we could semantically remove --sort-key --sort-dir | 15:56 |
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| kragniz | sigmavirus24: the current release should really be 1.xx | 15:56 |
| kragniz | we're not unstable | 15:56 |
| mfedosin | btw, do we need 2 specs for server and client separately or we can merge them in one? | 15:56 |
| sigmavirus24 | kragniz: true. SemVer does say that before 1.0 nothing really is stable and we can break stuff haphazardly but that said, I don't like doing that personally | 15:57 |
| sigmavirus24 | mfedosin: that's a good question. I would think one spec should cover them both | 15:57 |
| sigmavirus24 | I think there's a section in specs for covering client impact | 15:57 |
| mfedosin | yes, there is - will write about impact there | 15:58 |
| mfedosin | btw, is the new release going to be called Liberty? | 16:00 |
| kragniz | mfedosin: it is | 16:02 |
| kragniz | much sadness | 16:02 |
| kragniz | it could have been lizard | 16:02 |
| mfedosin | Love is better. We might have Love Summit in May :D | 16:03 |
| kragniz | the puns with Love are good | 16:04 |
| kragniz | but lizards are always better | 16:04 |
| * mfedosin hopes P release will be Pride | 16:05 | |
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| nikhil_k | we can always hope for 'Mars' | 16:05 |
| kragniz | Q is going to be interesting... | 16:06 |
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| mfedosin | I'm for Queen | 16:07 |
| kragniz | mfedosin: it needs to be something related to the location of the summit for that release cycle | 16:09 |
| sigmavirus24 | M for Mercury | 16:09 |
| sigmavirus24 | Q for Queen | 16:09 |
| sigmavirus24 | It'll be hilariously excellent | 16:09 |
| sigmavirus24 | So Q will be in London | 16:09 |
| sigmavirus24 | M will be somewhere related to Mercury or thermometers | 16:09 |
| sigmavirus24 | DONE | 16:09 |
| kragniz | I'm good with that | 16:09 |
| sigmavirus24 | Planning summit location around preferred cycle names | 16:09 |
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| mfedosin | +1 | 16:09 |
| kragniz | we need a summit over here | 16:09 |
| sigmavirus24 | kragniz: too bad K isn't for Kilt, could have had it in scotland instead of Paris =P | 16:10 |
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| d0ugal | sigmavirus24: +! | 16:18 |
| d0ugal | +1! | 16:18 |
| sigmavirus24 | d0ugal: to what? | 16:19 |
| d0ugal | sigmavirus24: a summit in Scotland :) | 16:19 |
| sigmavirus24 | :D | 16:19 |
| sigmavirus24 | I would love to get over there. I hear it's gorgeous | 16:19 |
| kragniz | well that's decided now! | 16:19 |
| * sigmavirus24 also wishes we'd summit in Iceland | 16:19 | |
| d0ugal | That would be cool too | 16:19 |
| sigmavirus24 | I'd take 2 weeks vacation after the summit for that | 16:20 |
| kragniz | I've never actually been to scotland | 16:20 |
| sigmavirus24 | Scotland could be Q too | 16:20 |
| sigmavirus24 | (Queen of Scots =P) | 16:20 |
| d0ugal | hah | 16:21 |
| * d0ugal lives in Scotland | 16:21 | |
| kragniz | d0ugal: I would never have guessed :P | 16:21 |
| d0ugal | :) | 16:21 |
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| sigmavirus24 | nikhil_k: ping? | 16:39 |
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| kragniz | mfedosin: I don't think advocating link shorteners in commit messages is a good thing | 16:59 |
| mfedosin | kragniz, what's the solution then? | 17:03 |
| mfedosin | I don't like shorteners either, since there may be kind of rick rolls :) | 17:05 |
| kragniz | mfedosin: either let it slide, or manually line wrap it | 17:05 |
| nikhil_k | sigmavirus24: be back in a few mins | 17:06 |
| sigmavirus24 | nikhil_k: no worries. it was time sensitive and it expired =P | 17:06 |
| kragniz | nikhil_k: thoughts? (when you get back) | 17:06 |
| sigmavirus24 | rosmaita: sorry we still didn't get any traction on that spec | 17:06 |
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| rosmaita | sigmavirus24: i am not looking forward to writing this email! | 17:07 |
| rosmaita | do you mind if i send you a draft to look over first? | 17:08 |
| sigmavirus24 | rosmaita: go for it | 17:08 |
| mfedosin | kragniz, what do you think about "[2]http://goo.gl/X5o1oz The Performance Impact of Using dict() Instead of {} in CPython 2.7 by Doug Hellman" ? | 17:10 |
| kragniz | I just don't like link shorteners for anything long-living | 17:11 |
| sigmavirus24 | == kragniz | 17:11 |
| sigmavirus24 | Every link will rot | 17:11 |
| sigmavirus24 | That's like the 2nd law of the internet | 17:12 |
| sigmavirus24 | Link shortners mean that there's one extra point of failure that can rot before the link itself and no one will know what that original link should be | 17:12 |
| mfedosin | I remember only 34th :) | 17:12 |
| sigmavirus24 | Yeah let's not go there now | 17:12 |
| mfedosin | btw, what the reason to include links in commit messages? | 17:14 |
| sigmavirus24 | mfedosin: so people looking through the history can easily find the justification? | 17:21 |
| sigmavirus24 | Otherwise, commit messages would be "Performance boost in fizbuzz because I think so" | 17:22 |
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| sigmavirus24 | Further, if we're suddenly caring about performance now, why aren't we doing real profiling | 17:22 |
| kragniz | sigmavirus24: because unverified micro optimizations are the way forward! | 17:24 |
| sigmavirus24 | kragniz: They're "verified" in the context of only working with dictionaries | 17:25 |
| mfedosin | I don't think users care about commit messages and links inside - this link mostly for reviewers who approve commit | 17:25 |
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| kragniz | mfedosin: it's for people who look back at that commit to work out why the change was made | 17:25 |
| mfedosin | but what if Doug will decide to change the address and move in .me zone? then it will be rubbish in commit message | 17:26 |
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| kragniz | sigmavirus24: in the isolated case, yes | 17:28 |
| sigmavirus24 | kragniz: yep | 17:28 |
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| sigmavirus24 | mfedosin: then doug does that and people who read that commit message afterwards are stranded and we can all blame dhellmann ;) | 17:29 |
| mfedosin | dhellmann, could you shorten this link a little bit (http://doughellmann.com/2012/11/12/the-performance-impact-of-using-dict-instead-of-in-cpython-2-7-2.html) ? because it does not fit in the commit message (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/143843/) | 17:34 |
| sigmavirus24 | mfedosin: I hope you're joking | 17:36 |
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| mfedosin | it was my last idea what we suppose to do :) | 17:37 |
| mfedosin | of course it's a joke | 17:38 |
| sigmavirus24 | Yeah that wasn't obvious over IRC | 17:38 |
| sigmavirus24 | You had me worried for a second there =P | 17:38 |
| mfedosin | okay, I'll include smiles next time :D | 17:39 |
| sigmavirus24 | I think kragniz's suggestion to hardwrap the links is a good one | 17:41 |
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| mfedosin | sigmavirus24, my idea (expect asking Doug Hellman to make this link shorter) is to provide a shorten variant with the description nearby, using which users could find in google all the necessary information, even if the link would change. | 17:51 |
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| sigmavirus24 | mfedosin: I already expressed my distaste for link shortners | 18:57 |
| sigmavirus24 | I still think the better solution is to introduce a hard break | 18:57 |
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