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| dangtrinhnt | hyunsikyang, looks like tojuvone is on his way to the conference | 02:34 |
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| dangtrinhnt | not sure if we can have the team meeting today | 02:34 |
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| hyunsikyang | Ok :) Let me know | 02:59 |
| dangtrinhnt | +1, trying to contact Tomi nơ. | 03:00 |
| dangtrinhnt | *now | 03:00 |
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| tojuvone | Hi all, updated the meeting agenda for today: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Fenix#Meetings | 03:32 |
| dangtrinhnt | tojuvone, got it. Thanks. | 03:32 |
| tojuvone | Meeting in 2min | 04:58 |
| dangtrinhnt | 6AM UTC should be in 1h? or is it because of the daylight saving thing? | 04:59 |
| tojuvone | oh.. | 05:00 |
| tojuvone | sorry | 05:00 |
| tojuvone | so let's wait one hour still :) | 05:00 |
| dangtrinhnt | no prob. tojuvone, I can start now. :) | 05:01 |
| tojuvone | Yes, we had the daylight saving change.. | 05:01 |
| tojuvone | Ok, let's do it now as I am ready too | 05:01 |
| dangtrinhnt | okie | 05:01 |
| tojuvone | #startmeeting Fenix | 05:01 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Apr 8 05:01:46 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tojuvone. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 05:01 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 05:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: Fenix)" | 05:01 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'fenix' | 05:01 |
| tojuvone | #topic status | 05:02 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "status (Meeting topic: Fenix)" | 05:02 | |
| tojuvone | Greetings from ONS.. | 05:02 |
| tojuvone | ONS demo went very well | 05:03 |
| dangtrinhnt | awesome | 05:03 |
| tojuvone | There was a lot of comments that we need Fenix and big companies to visit and see demo | 05:03 |
| tojuvone | Yes, people might be doing rolling upgrades, but nobody has our interaction with VNF | 05:03 |
| dangtrinhnt | hyunsikyang hi, are you there? | 05:03 |
| tojuvone | and is needed | 05:03 |
| tojuvone | oh yes, hyunsikyang | 05:05 |
| hyunsikyang | yes | 05:05 |
| hyunsikyang | Hi | 05:05 |
| tojuvone | hyunsikyang, Hi, are you able to be in meeting now? My basd we started 1hour early | 05:06 |
| hyunsikyang | Yes | 05:06 |
| hyunsikyang | I can | 05:06 |
| tojuvone | great :) So was having status fro ONS, will continue.. | 05:06 |
| hyunsikyang | okie | 05:06 |
| tojuvone | Still have not composed more than this video | 05:07 |
| tojuvone | #link https://youtu.be/NsNBtLA-18I | 05:07 |
| tojuvone | So this is with sound the upgrade demo | 05:07 |
| dangtrinhnt | +1 cool | 05:07 |
| tojuvone | From the ONS presentation experience, I see there is need of doing a video that explains Fenix | 05:07 |
| hyunsikyang | Great:) | 05:07 |
| tojuvone | Planning to do that soon. Using some new slides and maybe including the live demo at the end. | 05:07 |
| tojuvone | It will be very important for those from ETSI and new people and to make the case for the whole industry | 05:08 |
| tojuvone | The VNF interaction and standard way of doing it | 05:08 |
| tojuvone | Any question from the ONS, or shall I continue to further status? | 05:09 |
| hyunsikyang | I don't have for ONS | 05:09 |
| dangtrinhnt | No. Please go ahead. | 05:09 |
| tojuvone | ok.. | 05:10 |
| tojuvone | Demo related changes to Fenix are under review: https://review.openstack.org/648613 | 05:10 |
| tojuvone | However that is purely the Fenix part. There is a lot of more related the actual DevSTack upgrade | 05:10 |
| tojuvone | I would come to that in next topic | 05:10 |
| dangtrinhnt | ok, will try to review it today. | 05:11 |
| tojuvone | So, I would still have one status item from me.. | 05:11 |
| tojuvone | dangtrinhnt, great :) | 05:11 |
| tojuvone | While I have been discussing with ETSI, there is one thing I realized in ONS | 05:11 |
| tojuvone | With VNF there should be grouping of all different VMs and some constraints to this group | 05:11 |
| tojuvone | Like how many VMs at least need to be alive always (this should be dynamically updated for current situation) | 05:12 |
| tojuvone | So, I realize we should not discuss to have this by any means a change to Nova | 05:12 |
| tojuvone | Otherwise we loose the ability of Fenix to work on any cloud | 05:12 |
| tojuvone | Yes, this possible to have in Nova, but then proxied through Fenix, so VNF have only single access point | 05:12 |
| tojuvone | This basically is extending the Affinity / AntiAffinity groups | 05:13 |
| tojuvone | And definition will be coming from ETSI specs | 05:13 |
| tojuvone | So this is my opinion to have in Fenix any comments? | 05:14 |
| tojuvone | I will come later to this anyhow as there will be more of ETSI work later in the meeting | 05:15 |
| tojuvone | so there is place to discuss later in PTG | 05:16 |
| hyunsikyang | Where is discuss channel? | 05:16 |
| hyunsikyang | what channel you use for this discussion? | 05:16 |
| dangtrinhnt | Need to think more about this. Btw, tojuvone, my visa application has been rejected. | 05:17 |
| hyunsikyang | I need a more detail information for this. I understood briefly now. but I need more detail info. | 05:17 |
| tojuvone | hyunsikyang, I come back to that in last topic. Meanwhile I have had one meeting with ETSI people | 05:17 |
| tojuvone | dangtrinhnt, oh, that is too bad :( is that final or are can you still get it? | 05:18 |
| hyunsikyang | Oh... sad to hear that | 05:18 |
| dangtrinhnt | It's final :( have to cancel everything. | 05:18 |
| hyunsikyang | what happen? | 05:18 |
| dangtrinhnt | Not sure why, I have all the document, financial support, flight ticket, invitation letter etc. the woman at the embassy just told me that I'm not qualified. | 05:20 |
| hyunsikyang | I think that purpose of your visit is definitely clear.. | 05:20 |
| hyunsikyang | humm... | 05:20 |
| dangtrinhnt | sure | 05:20 |
| JangwonLee_ | Hi | 05:20 |
| tojuvone | Knew there is a problem with Chinese to US, but not for others | 05:20 |
| tojuvone | JangwonLee_, hi :) | 05:21 |
| hyunsikyang | He is my coworker :) | 05:21 |
| dangtrinhnt | maybe because I'm a Vietnamese but living in Korea. | 05:21 |
| dangtrinhnt | anyway | 05:21 |
| tojuvone | It is also now something looked with other open source communities to see where events could be kept | 05:21 |
| tojuvone | so nobody would have problems of going | 05:21 |
| dangtrinhnt | anyway, still can working from remote :) | 05:22 |
| dangtrinhnt | ok, let's get back to the topic. | 05:22 |
| hyunsikyang | Ok | 05:22 |
| tojuvone | dangtrinhnt, yes, we should seek to have a remote connection | 05:22 |
| tojuvone | ok, getting back.. | 05:22 |
| tojuvone | I actually completed my status and getting back to that ETSI.. stuff later in meeting | 05:23 |
| dangtrinhnt | That's great. | 05:24 |
| tojuvone | dangtrinhnt, Do you have any status to tell? | 05:24 |
| hyunsikyang | Ok. I also intereted in ETSI discussion. watinig your update. | 05:24 |
| dangtrinhnt | Nothing except for tomorrow I will kick off the Telemetry team for the Train cycle. Hopefully will find some directions for Ceilometer, AODH. If you guys wanna have some input for Fenix-AODH relationship, put it here #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/telemetry-train | 05:25 |
| tojuvone | dangtrinhnt, great :) | 05:26 |
| hyunsikyang | good :) | 05:26 |
| hyunsikyang | dangtrinhnht, | 05:27 |
| tojuvone | Surely we have the needed alarm config, but still I do not know it needs changes to those projects | 05:27 |
| hyunsikyang | and tojubone | 05:27 |
| hyunsikyang | can we make a blueprint for Fenix AODH? | 05:27 |
| tojuvone | becasue it is about if use Fenix | 05:27 |
| hyunsikyang | It is fisrt step for tacker integration? | 05:28 |
| hyunsikyang | ! | 05:28 |
| tojuvone | and there is also the possibility to get rid of the AODH as mandatory piece | 05:28 |
| dangtrinhnt | ok | 05:28 |
| tojuvone | VNFM could also subscribe to Fenix directly and that might be better for generic thing on different clouds | 05:29 |
| dangtrinhnt | It makes sense | 05:29 |
| tojuvone | and what is in Ceilometer / AODH now, already works for Fenix use case | 05:30 |
| hyunsikyang | you mean that VNFM get the alarm form Fenix directly? | 05:30 |
| tojuvone | As long as Ceilometer/AODH makes release :) | 05:30 |
| dangtrinhnt | tojuvone, I'll try :) | 05:30 |
| tojuvone | hyunsikyang, Yes, it might be future improvement | 05:30 |
| hyunsikyang | Yes. | 05:30 |
| tojuvone | dangtrinhnt, +1 | 05:30 |
| hyunsikyang | So, whatif, we use AODH for tacker integration, we try to start it first | 05:31 |
| dangtrinhnt | I found that there are still lots of interest in Telemetry so I don't think it gonna be a problem. | 05:31 |
| dangtrinhnt | hyunsikyang +1 | 05:31 |
| tojuvone | Yes, we go with this for now. There is nothing yet to replace the AODH for any means | 05:31 |
| hyunsikyang | OK:) | 05:32 |
| tojuvone | Just that I see it more generic to be without it at some point | 05:32 |
| hyunsikyang | Yes of course. | 05:32 |
| tojuvone | so great dangtrinhnt is working on these project :) | 05:32 |
| hyunsikyang | It is better than specific... | 05:33 |
| dangtrinhnt | ok, so I have no more comment on this. | 05:33 |
| tojuvone | ok, thanks | 05:34 |
| tojuvone | hyunsikyang, any status to report? | 05:34 |
| hyunsikyang | I have. | 05:34 |
| hyunsikyang | Fisrt item is AODH issue. but, we discussed it already.. | 05:35 |
| hyunsikyang | So we will make a plan for it first, | 05:35 |
| hyunsikyang | And the second one is blueprint. | 05:35 |
| hyunsikyang | I updated blue print, please check it again:) | 05:35 |
| tojuvone | hyunsikyang, I will look today :) | 05:36 |
| hyunsikyang | Thanks:) | 05:36 |
| tojuvone | ok, so we can continue that in gerrit then | 05:37 |
| dangtrinhnt | +1 | 05:37 |
| hyunsikyang | +1 | 05:38 |
| tojuvone | moving on then I guess | 05:38 |
| tojuvone | JangwonLee_, Do you have anything? | 05:38 |
| JangwonLee_ | Nope. ok. | 05:39 |
| tojuvone | if not I could say some on csatari behalf | 05:39 |
| dangtrinhnt | sure, please. | 05:40 |
| tojuvone | So he has done some documentation for us and might continue some later | 05:40 |
| tojuvone | And he is helping me with ETSI | 05:41 |
| dangtrinhnt | cool | 05:41 |
| tojuvone | and still... coming to that in last topic | 05:41 |
| dangtrinhnt | ok | 05:42 |
| tojuvone | so, would more to next topic to get meeting in time.. | 05:42 |
| tojuvone | #topic Testing | 05:42 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Testing (Meeting topic: Fenix)" | 05:42 | |
| tojuvone | Demo had many changes we need that needs a way to "upstream" | 05:42 |
| tojuvone | ONS Demo had new action plugins to upgrade DevStack | 05:42 |
| tojuvone | It changes Queens and rocky DevSTack scripts | 05:42 |
| tojuvone | It needed changes to DevStack target, node specific configs and scripts | 05:43 |
| tojuvone | It also had huge changes to Doctor testing scripts, to be able to run multitenant and on Contoller | 05:43 |
| tojuvone | I would like to share this, but I haven't figured out how. Maybe by building it to Fenix test? | 05:43 |
| tojuvone | Current problem is also that do we really want to have OpenStack upgrade in our context? | 05:43 |
| tojuvone | It takes currently one hour and proper implementation with more than one controller even more | 05:43 |
| tojuvone | I mean; Fenix can be utilized for any maintenance use case, but implementing those might be overkill? | 05:43 |
| tojuvone | But, OpenStack upgrade is still the thing for the community? | 05:44 |
| tojuvone | Should we have this one case as example or use just dummy action plugins in testing? | 05:44 |
| tojuvone | Dummy plugins would test Fenix itself as sanity, OpenStack upgrade is something else? | 05:44 |
| tojuvone | Thoughts? | 05:44 |
| hyunsikyang | Dummy also not bed to show the fenix works. but if we find a simple action to show the fenix work efficiently.. it is good. | 05:45 |
| tojuvone | Yes, maybe "dummy" as normal gerrit job... | 05:45 |
| hyunsikyang | I will think about it and tell it here. | 05:46 |
| tojuvone | but a way to show also the OpenStack upgrade | 05:46 |
| tojuvone | or to have the openstack upgrade too, as non voting? | 05:46 |
| dangtrinhnt | Other projects still working on a neat way to upgrade so Fenix is a great solution I guess. | 05:47 |
| dangtrinhnt | non-voting for now until we make it to work, I guess. | 05:47 |
| tojuvone | yes, but still I think I shoudl have all that hacked DevStack thingy in Fenix repo if test with it | 05:47 |
| dangtrinhnt | For testing we can setup some special testing configuration for Fenix vs OpenStack | 05:47 |
| tojuvone | yes, I think there shoudl be 2 environments we can run with gerrit patches then | 05:48 |
| dangtrinhnt | zuul support that as fas as I know. | 05:48 |
| tojuvone | voting one with dummy action plugins | 05:48 |
| tojuvone | and non voting that upgrades OpenStack | 05:48 |
| tojuvone | dangtrinhnt, great. I also do not know yet anything about the zuul, so it will be learning curve to make that automation | 05:49 |
| tojuvone | ok, I think there is a plan then :) | 05:49 |
| tojuvone | anythign else on this, or moving on? | 05:50 |
| hyunsikyang | I am done | 05:50 |
| dangtrinhnt | please, move on. | 05:50 |
| tojuvone | #topic Summit and PTG | 05:51 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Summit and PTG (Meeting topic: Fenix)" | 05:51 | |
| tojuvone | Open Infrastructure summit: Fenix - Rolling Maintenance and Upgrade forum session April 30th | 05:51 |
| tojuvone | Planning page: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DEN-fenix-forum-brainstorming | 05:51 |
| tojuvone | Have to work on this. Problem is mostly that have to tell about Fenix.. | 05:51 |
| tojuvone | but have time for project updates and discussion | 05:51 |
| tojuvone | Straight forward otherwise | 05:51 |
| dangtrinhnt | +1 | 05:52 |
| hyunsikyang | I will join this meeting:) | 05:52 |
| tojuvone | Maybe it shall help as I am working on those slides to have a video to explain Fenix | 05:52 |
| hyunsikyang | +1 | 05:52 |
| tojuvone | So should be able to show it faster | 05:52 |
| hyunsikyang | good:) | 05:53 |
| tojuvone | ok, so PTG then.. and now comes the ETSI thing | 05:53 |
| tojuvone | Fenix PTG: May 4th | 05:53 |
| tojuvone | PTG planning page: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DEN2019-fenix-PTG | 05:53 |
| tojuvone | Have to work this also. Can prioritize some there, but it is hard to fore see do we have more developers or not | 05:54 |
| tojuvone | Hard to know what is possible in Train and how much and when get to ETSI specific changes | 05:54 |
| tojuvone | but.. | 05:54 |
| tojuvone | That is not the only Fenix PTG session | 05:54 |
| tojuvone | There should also be ETSI FEAT03 discussion with Fenix | 05:54 |
| tojuvone | This means there is 2 Fenix PTG sessions. Expecting 1h + 1h or so. | 05:55 |
| tojuvone | csatari will help in organizeing the ETSI discussion | 05:55 |
| dangtrinhnt | +1 | 05:55 |
| tojuvone | and in that session it will be discussed of those "VM gouping" that I was telling about | 05:55 |
| tojuvone | VM grouping | 05:55 |
| tojuvone | To Nova or Fenix or FEnix, but proxied to Nova | 05:56 |
| tojuvone | Among discussing all other details of FEAT03. Should Fenix be changed accordingly, or the specfications in ETSI | 05:57 |
| tojuvone | That will be a tons of fun :) | 05:58 |
| tojuvone | Exciting | 05:58 |
| dangtrinhnt | Proxied to Nova means Nova still have to do the job? As fas as I understand, Nova has its own way of rolling upgrade. https://docs.openstack.org/nova/latest/user/upgrade.html | 05:58 |
| dangtrinhnt | I | 05:58 |
| dangtrinhnt | I'm more of changing Fenix than ETSI | 05:58 |
| tojuvone | I have read that document | 05:59 |
| tojuvone | And tried to follow it in Fenix action plugins | 05:59 |
| tojuvone | Upgrade needs Controllers first and I do it | 06:00 |
| tojuvone | then computes | 06:00 |
| tojuvone | and following that document is how Nove needs to be done | 06:00 |
| tojuvone | oh.. running out of time.. | 06:00 |
| tojuvone | fast.. | 06:01 |
| tojuvone | #topic AoB | 06:01 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "AoB (Meeting topic: Fenix)" | 06:01 | |
| tojuvone | Meeting time? | 06:01 |
| tojuvone | No meeting 6th May as just discussed in Denver | 06:01 |
| tojuvone | Updating the meeting info to indicate this: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Fenix#Meetings | 06:01 |
| tojuvone | How about meeting time? 6 UTC or 7? | 06:02 |
| tojuvone | oh 6 or 5? | 06:02 |
| tojuvone | Today we had it 5, but do we keep the 6 | 06:02 |
| tojuvone | 5 would be better for me? | 06:02 |
| tojuvone | 5 keeps it in same place for me after daylight saving changed. But can keep the current 6 too | 06:03 |
| tojuvone | ? | 06:03 |
| hyunsikyang | to me both is good | 06:04 |
| tojuvone | dangtrinhnt | 06:04 |
| dangtrinhnt | 5 | 06:04 |
| dangtrinhnt | :) | 06:04 |
| dangtrinhnt | thanks | 06:04 |
| tojuvone | ok :) I will upfdate 5 to wiki :) | 06:05 |
| tojuvone | Anything else or do we close? | 06:05 |
| dangtrinhnt | I'm good. Thanks. | 06:05 |
| tojuvone | closing the meeting then, thanks for joining :) | 06:06 |
| tojuvone | #endmeeting | 06:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "AoB (Meeting topic: Fenix)" | 06:06 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Apr 8 06:06:18 2019 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 06:06 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fenix/2019/fenix.2019-04-08-05.01.html | 06:06 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fenix/2019/fenix.2019-04-08-05.01.txt | 06:06 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/fenix/2019/fenix.2019-04-08-05.01.log.html | 06:06 |
| dangtrinhnt | ok, tojuvone, good luck with the ONS. Please bring us good news! :) | 06:09 |
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| tojuvone | dangtrinhnt, Thanks :) | 06:11 |
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| csatari | On the ETSI - Fenix synch on the PTG: I will ask the relevant persons from the host maintenance feature team (FEAT03) in ETSI NFV IFA if they can join or send someone to the PTG to work on the harmonisation between the two. | 11:59 |
| csatari | I hope to have a real two side harmonisation meaning that changing both sides... | 12:00 |
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| tojuvone | csatari, great :) | 15:55 |
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