| fungi | ianychoi: diablo_rojo: i think we've had an out of memory event kill the queue manager for the openstack mailing lists again, i'm digging into it now but deliveries should occur shortly | 00:00 |
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| fungi | okay, deliveries should be back on track again, your messages ought to start arriving momentarily | 00:05 |
| fungi | sorry for the hiccup | 00:05 |
| ianychoi | fungi, no worries :) Thank you for making mailing list alive :) | 00:24 |
| fungi | happy to help | 00:25 |
| fungi | oops, looks like tobias sent a tc nomination to the ml but not to the elections repo | 00:30 |
| fungi | also i'm reaching out to the www.openstack.org admins about tim burke's profile problem | 00:31 |
| diablo_rojo | Thanks fungi! | 00:56 |
| diablo_rojo | fungi, I told him earlier to ping Jimmy. | 00:56 |
| diablo_rojo | Not sure if he did or was too busy | 00:56 |
| fungi | cool | 00:56 |
| fungi | jimmy said both timburke and redrobot's foundation memberships are lapsed, so that explains why they're not passing the individual member check | 00:57 |
| diablo_rojo | Ooohhhhhh that makes sense. Naughty that they didn't vote in the board elections. | 00:57 |
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| openstackgerrit | Tobias Rydberg proposed openstack/election master: Adding Tobias Rydberg candidacy for TC https://review.opendev.org/716490 | 06:12 |
| openstackgerrit | Tetsuro Nakamura proposed openstack/election master: Adding Tetsuro Nakamura candidacy for Placement https://review.opendev.org/716494 | 06:30 |
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| openstackgerrit | Andrey Kurilin proposed openstack/election master: Add Andrey Kurilin candidacy for Rally PTL https://review.opendev.org/716525 | 08:19 |
| ianychoi | diablo_rojo, andymccr, tonyb[m]: can I ask your thought on a late TC candidacy: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/716490/ ? The candidate shared a candidacy through ML but submitted a patch late. Can we understand this + a situation that there were bugs on mailing lists (the mail was actually shown after the nomination period finished due to infra bug IMO)? | 13:12 |
| ianychoi | For other PTL nominations, I think we can tell that TC is discussing leaderless projects by referring also an additional URL: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/victoria-leaderless . | 13:13 |
| ianychoi | (Note: any opinion from online members are welcome!) | 13:14 |
| fungi | why would mailing list delays result in gerrit submission delays? | 14:01 |
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| tonyb[m] | My feeling is "nope". I don't see anything to incline me to accept the late nomination | 19:28 |
| tonyb[m] | Gerrit is the "source of truth" so anything that happens with the mailing list is irrelevant. | 19:29 |
| tonyb[m] | And the candidate had a week to decide to run | 19:29 |
| openstackgerrit | Douglas Mendizábal proposed openstack/election master: Adding Douglas Mendizábal candidacy for Barbican https://review.opendev.org/716316 | 20:05 |
| diablo_rojo | I agree that he had plenty of time to submit his candidacy before the deadline..so I dont think we really should grant him any extra leeway.. | 20:07 |
| diablo_rojo | I guess we go and -2 all the open candidacies and let the TC know that there will be at least 3 PTLs they can just appoint? (Barbican, Swift, and Rally)? | 20:12 |
| tonyb[m] | Sounds like a plan | 20:14 |
| tonyb[m] | Thanks for doing that :-P | 20:14 |
| * tonyb[m] ducks and runs | 20:14 | |
| fungi | not an election official this time, but my two cents... the late tc nomination was declared publicly within the required timeframe (though unfortunately not in the correct venue), so seems on the surface that it shouldn't hurt anything to make an exception in this case, but i worry that doing so would set a questionable precedent for future elections | 20:15 |
| fungi | i think it's good to stick to clear process and defined timelines, even if that means sometimes a good candidate gets left out of the running. it's still useful input into discussions our community can have *after* the election about careful and measured adjustments to current documented process | 20:17 |
| diablo_rojo | ...I already -2ed Tobias's nomination.. | 20:19 |
| diablo_rojo | I feel like if their nomination isn't in gerrit in time.. they aren't a candidate.. but maybe thats too harsh? | 20:19 |
| diablo_rojo | I am happy to go -2 the others.. | 20:20 |
| fungi | i think it's harsh, but necessary | 20:25 |
| fungi | if the documented process isn't clear then the candidate can reach out to election officials before the deadline to get clarification | 20:26 |
| fungi | and there's always another tc election just around the corner | 20:28 |
| diablo_rojo | Yeah. I feel like if he gave us a heads up about his patch being late I would be more inclined to accept it? | 20:30 |
| diablo_rojo | I dunno. | 20:30 |
| fungi | well, or asked for help getting it pushed into gerrit by the deadline | 20:32 |
| diablo_rojo | fungi, yeah that too | 20:32 |
| ianychoi | fungi, agree with keeping with clear process. When I shared my opinion, I started to think about how me have worked better and try to think how some situations would be prevented in the next cycle. | 22:32 |
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