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| oanson | Morning | 06:53 |
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| mlavalle | oanson: are you going to Dublin? | 15:37 |
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| oanson | Hi. Weekly starting in a minute in #openstack-meeting-4 | 18:59 |
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| mlavalle | oanson: hey | 20:10 |
| oanson | Hi | 20:10 |
| mlavalle | I was writing you an email | 20:11 |
| mlavalle | if it is too late for you, go to bed and respond to my message tomorrow morning | 20:11 |
| oanson | No, not too late. | 20:11 |
| mlavalle | ok, so let's talk here then | 20:12 |
| oanson | It's not daylight saving time, so it's not too late here :) | 20:12 |
| oanson | Sure | 20:12 |
| mlavalle | I messed up the time for the meeting this week | 20:12 |
| mlavalle | we fell to standard time for the the winter | 20:12 |
| mlavalle | so the meeting is at 1pm my time | 20:12 |
| mlavalle | not 2 pm like during our Summer | 20:13 |
| oanson | I see. Well you didn't miss much, I was alone. | 20:13 |
| mlavalle | I read the log | 20:13 |
| oanson | Yes. So you saw we practically messed the time every week this year? :) | 20:13 |
| mlavalle | but I want you to know that this is the correct week for the late night meeting (your time) | 20:14 |
| mlavalle | it was me who missed it by 1 hour | 20:14 |
| oanson | Google calendar says it is, so I'll go with that. I'm guessing anyone looking it up will take the ics file in the eavesdrops page as gold standard | 20:14 |
| mlavalle | yes | 20:14 |
| mlavalle | in the open agenda topic you mentioned that you are going to be in Dublin Mon - Wed | 20:15 |
| oanson | Yes | 20:15 |
| mlavalle | Are you all day long on Wednesday? | 20:15 |
| oanson | Yes. We leave Thursday. | 20:15 |
| mlavalle | who is we? | 20:15 |
| mlavalle | besides you | 20:15 |
| oanson | irenab and snapiri | 20:16 |
| mlavalle | Nice! | 20:16 |
| mlavalle | will be glad to see them | 20:16 |
| oanson | Yeah. I'm guessing irenab you already know. I'll be sure to introduce snapiri | 20:17 |
| mlavalle | so, you added the "port-behind-port" topic to the Neutron PTG etherpad | 20:17 |
| mlavalle | you still want to discuss it in Dublin? | 20:18 |
| oanson | I still want the RFE. Yes. | 20:18 |
| mlavalle | ok, I'll schedule it to be discussed | 20:18 |
| oanson | I think it should make life easier in the long run. | 20:18 |
| mlavalle | Help us undertand your vision ;-) | 20:18 |
| oanson | And I think we can settle most of the big issues live faster than asynchronously on the bug page. | 20:19 |
| oanson | mlavalle, will try :) | 20:19 |
| mlavalle | we are a little hard headed, but have good intentions.... LOL | 20:19 |
| mlavalle | I have another two topics: | 20:20 |
| oanson | No worries :) | 20:20 |
| oanson | Sure | 20:20 |
| mlavalle | Next one is https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1690425 | 20:21 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1690425 in neutron "[RFE] neutron cells aware" [Wishlist,Triaged] | 20:21 |
| mlavalle | we've been discussing this RFE on and off in the drivers meeting over the past couple of months | 20:22 |
| oanson | I haven't seen that one. Reading up cells is on my todo list, but I haven't got that far. | 20:22 |
| oanson | (I see armax added a link to an introduction) | 20:22 |
| mlavalle | well, we are worried about not being able to scale up Neutron when users start deplying big cells 2 in Nova | 20:22 |
| mlavalle | we agreed that we want to pursue a POC using this approach: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0fwHr8XC1I | 20:23 |
| mlavalle | but I wonder is the publisher / subscriber DB approach of Dragonflow would be useful for this | 20:24 |
| oanson | I see. I've been talking with Ken on a Dragonflow/oslo.messaging/AMQP approach | 20:24 |
| mlavalle | Great! | 20:25 |
| oanson | I think the pub/sub is supposed to overcome the bottleneck by being a 'fire and forget' mechanism. Most chances are the message will make it. But the sender doesn't wait for a reply. | 20:25 |
| mlavalle | ah ok | 20:25 |
| oanson | The broker can also be less concerned with anything more than a 'best effort' mechanism. | 20:25 |
| mlavalle | so you think https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0fwHr8XC1I is a good approach? | 20:26 |
| oanson | And Dragonflow is supposed to be resilient - if a message is missed, eventually we'll notice by re-syncing with our distributed database | 20:26 |
| oanson | I have to watch the video first :) | 20:26 |
| oanson | But I can review it tomorrow and give my opinion. | 20:27 |
| mlavalle | so if you find that interesting and I schedule the topic to be discussed in Dublin, would you be interested? | 20:27 |
| mlavalle | in participating | 20:27 |
| oanson | Sure | 20:27 |
| mlavalle | great, let mw know tomorrow what you think | 20:27 |
| oanson | Sure. On the surface, it looks very interesting. | 20:28 |
| mlavalle | now let me dig a topic you and dimak brought up after the Boston summit during a Neutron meeting | 20:29 |
| mlavalle | do you remember it? | 20:29 |
| oanson | Not of the top of my head :) | 20:29 |
| mlavalle | let me dig then | 20:29 |
| mlavalle | hang on | 20:29 |
| oanson | Ah, L3 flavour | 20:29 |
| mlavalle | yes | 20:29 |
| oanson | We kinda let that one slide due to lack of resources. | 20:30 |
| mlavalle | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/networking/2017/networking.2017-05-15-21.01.log.html#l-99 | 20:31 |
| oanson | Has someone shown interest in this? Or is this a gentle reminder? :) | 20:31 |
| mlavalle | LOL | 20:32 |
| mlavalle | the ODL guys are adding a feature to theeir plugin where they need to use the L3 favors framework | 20:32 |
| oanson | I'm scared to ask which question you found funny... xD | 20:32 |
| mlavalle | the gentle reminder thing. No, I am not to try to boss you around | 20:33 |
| mlavalle | and they have found gaps in the L3 flavors framework | 20:33 |
| mlavalle | they are the first ones to actually use it | 20:33 |
| mlavalle | I am considering to have a conversation about it in Dublin | 20:34 |
| mlavalle | if you are interested, I can schedule it on Wednesday so you can attend | 20:34 |
| oanson | I think yamamoto had a patch adding some missing events a long while back. | 20:34 |
| oanson | Sure. That'd be great. | 20:34 |
| oanson | Thanks! | 20:34 |
| mlavalle | yeah but it got a little more complicated than that | 20:35 |
| oanson | Did they say what they are missing? | 20:35 |
| mlavalle | this way, when / if you get back to that topic we discussed back in May, you already know the experience from the ODL guys | 20:36 |
| oanson | This is yamamoto's patch, btw: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/483173/ | 20:36 |
| oanson | Yes. That would be very helpful. | 20:36 |
| mlavalle | the real hard work has been done on the ODL side | 20:38 |
| mlavalle | and they discovered that they needed to react to events in a certain order: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/541766/ | 20:38 |
| mlavalle | last week they tried to implement something with SQLAlchemy events and I said no way | 20:38 |
| oanson | Yes, we had some strange behaviour because some events were called before others as well. | 20:39 |
| mlavalle | so I thought all this might be useful for you | 20:39 |
| mlavalle | and of course you can provide valuable feedback | 20:39 |
| oanson | Sure. I'll go over it. (Also on the referenced patch, which looks interesting as well) | 20:40 |
| mlavalle | I am glad we connected | 20:40 |
| mlavalle | we ended up having the meeting at the time I thought it was originally :-) | 20:40 |
| mlavalle | See you in Dublin | 20:40 |
| oanson | Heh :) | 20:40 |
| oanson | Yep. Looking forwards to seeing you! | 20:41 |
| oanson | Thanks for updating me! | 20:41 |
| mlavalle | the other thing I wrote in that message I was going to send you.... | 20:41 |
| mlavalle | is that I cannot commit to make it to all the odd week meetings | 20:42 |
| mlavalle | But I'll do my best to attend some | 20:42 |
| mlavalle | I think you and your team have much to give to the wider Neutron community | 20:42 |
| oanson | Thanks for the feedback. It would be great to have you. | 20:43 |
| oanson | The truth is I wanted to contribute back to Neutron as well | 20:43 |
| oanson | It's just ends up being many plates in the air | 20:44 |
| mlavalle | finally, I am looking to develop neutron cores | 20:44 |
| mlavalle | if you or anyone in your team can increase reviews count on the Neutron side, we need you | 20:44 |
| oanson | Let me see what I can do. I remember feeling that I don't understand the code I was reading last time I tried to review. But that was a long while back. Let me try again :) | 20:46 |
| mlavalle | cool | 20:46 |
| mlavalle | let you go to rest and enjoy your family | 20:46 |
| oanson | Nah. The kid is long asleep by now. :) | 20:46 |
| oanson | Enjoy your afternoon! | 20:47 |
| mlavalle | how old is he / she? | 20:49 |
| oanson | He is 2 years old (and change). | 20:50 |
| mlavalle | enjoy him! I have a boy of 28 and a girl of 24 | 20:50 |
| oanson | Thanks. I am! :) | 20:51 |
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