Wednesday, 2018-04-04

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pkovaranybody up for a meeting today?16:01
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ianychoipkovar, hi!16:02
pkovarhi ianychoi16:02
pkovar#startmeeting docteam16:02
openstackMeeting started Wed Apr  4 16:02:31 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is pkovar. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.16:02
openstackUseful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote.16:02
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openstackThe meeting name has been set to 'docteam'16:02
ianychoi:)16:03
pkovarianychoi: anything you want to discuss in particular today?16:03
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ianychoipkovar, Would u review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/557848/ ? I did not change language landing pages on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/556969/ so need to fix it.16:04
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pkovarianychoi: will have a look, thanks16:05
pkovarthat one somehow slipped through the cracks for me, not sure why16:06
ianychoiThanks a lot!16:06
pkovarianychoi: thank you for working on this and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/556969/16:06
pkovari think that change definitely made the landing pages more usable16:07
pkovarlong dropdown lists are evil :)16:07
ianychoipkovar, it's my pleasure - when I accidently saw the source of dropitems on index pages, I found that changing sizes would be relatively simple :)16:08
pkovarianychoi: what are your thoughts on re-implementing the dropdowns as simple lists, as pointed out by frank in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/556969/ ?16:09
pkovarthe reason being that dropdown lists are not very user friendly16:09
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pkovarthough if we did, that would probably require a major redesign of the site16:10
pkovar(just thinking aloud here)16:10
ianychoiI think so. It would be nice if simple additional design is applied on the location of current dropitem positions or between "Documentation for.. & description" and "Release Notes / Installation Guides.."16:12
pkovaryeah, something like that16:12
pkovar#topic dropdown menus on docs.o.o16:13
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pkovar#info design idea: re-implement dropdown menus as simple lists, as pointed out by frank in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/556969/16:13
pkovar#info to make the site more mobile friendly16:14
pkovarmaybe with a bit of scripting, clicking the buttons more releases or Languages could show a list16:15
pkovarthat way we would save some space on the page16:15
pkovarand only show the lists when the user wishes so16:15
pkovar /brainstorming :)16:16
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ianychoiSimple idea might be like: https://ibb.co/coCMjx16:17
pkovarianychoi: that's good16:18
pkovar#link https://ibb.co/coCMjx16:18
pkovardoesnt take much space, yet its simple16:19
ianychoiI am not so good at designing web pages but just know some knowledge on editing HTMLs.16:21
ianychoiFor releases, it would look nice I think. I am not sure how it would look after languages are enumerated but the style like https://docs.openstack.org/i18n/latest/ would be nice I think.16:22
pkovaryeah, this may require larger discussion with more people16:23
pkovarthen we might find a design volunteer too :))16:24
ianychoiagreed :)16:24
pkovarwill probably be best to start a thread in -dev or even create a blueprint to catch more attention16:25
pkovar#action consider starting a thread / blueprint to discuss design changes16:25
ianychoi+1 :)16:26
pkovari remember that one of the design feedback item we got back during the pike cycle was on lists in general16:26
pkovarsuch as the list of proejcts in https://docs.openstack.org/queens/user/16:26
pkovarthe feedback being that it would be good to make the page better than just a list of links16:27
ianychoiAha.. I just think that making bold for project names would be nice.16:28
pkovarmaybe turning the lists into something like https://www.openstack.org/software/project-navigator/ would be god16:28
pkovargood, rather16:28
pkovaryeah, or tweaking the font slightly16:29
pkovarlike in https://www.openstack.org/software/project-navigator/ they use all caps and bold16:29
pkovar#topic design ideas for docs.o.o16:30
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pkovar#info idea: make the landing pages with project lists more beautiful16:30
pkovar#info  like in https://www.openstack.org/software/project-navigator/ they use all caps and bold for project names16:31
ianychoiI am not sure but maybe project mascot logos would be stored in openstack-manuals repository?16:32
ianychoiThen we can make use of mascot logos16:32
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pkovaranother idea, yes16:33
pkovar#info idea: re-use mascot logos that would be stored in openstack-manuals16:34
ianychoiLet's think about it more :)16:37
ianychoiMaybe moving to next would be fine?16:37
pkovaryep :)16:37
pkovarso let's do announcements & kudos :)16:38
ianychoi+1 :)16:38
pkovar#topic16:38
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pkovaroh16:38
pkovar#topic vancouver summit16:38
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ianychoiNext, I would like to ask some opinions on documentation builds and PTI: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/545377/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/509297/16:38
ianychoiMaybe next and next :)16:38
pkovarsure thing, let me just post a link real quick16:39
pkovar#link https://www.openstack.org/summit/vancouver-2018/summit-schedule/global-search?t=docs16:39
pkovar#info summit schedule is up with two  docs talks / sessions planned16:39
pkovar#info co-located with i18n16:40
pkovar#info thanks to our presenters16:40
pkovarif anybody is interested in joining, let us know16:40
pkovarokay, that would be it16:40
pkovar#topic documentation builds and PTI16:41
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ianychoiThanks :)16:41
pkovarianychoi: shoot your question :)16:41
pkovaror comments, even16:41
ianychoiFrom the comments on two links, I think changing something on PTI ( https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/pti/python.html ) is needed I think.16:42
pkovarstephenfin: are you around by any chance?16:43
ianychoiThen, where can I propose my idea on changes to support PDF or translated documentation builds? Some comments imply that I need to propose in infra specs: http://specs.openstack.org/openstack-infra/infra-specs/ or submitting to governance repo like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/508694/ would be nice?16:43
ianychoiI tried to reach mordred but failed for weeks because of time difference - hope that I can discuss soon or meet during Vancouver Summit16:44
ianychoiComments indicate that such changes are not the target of docs-specs16:44
pkovarianychoi: i can help with writing the spec for infra if needed, but would you consider asking the infra team directly?16:44
openstackgerritMerged openstack/api-site master: Imported Translations from Zanata  https://review.openstack.org/55803416:44
pkovaron irc first16:44
pkovaryeah, i was under impression docs-specs would be the best place, but this is really an infra thing16:45
ianychoipkovar, nice suggestion :)16:45
pkovarso we need help from them anyway16:45
pkovaras for us, docs + i18n we already agreed we want to move forward with this :)16:46
pkovaralso, i think frank would be also able to help16:46
pkovar#info updating PTI wrt  https://review.openstack.org/#/c/545377/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/509297/ might be needed16:47
pkovar#info seeking help from infra team, will probably need to create a spec16:47
pkovarianychoi: or would you prefer to just go ahead and submit a wip patch to trigger the discussion with infra?16:48
openstackgerritFrank Kloeker proposed openstack/api-site master: Build and publish eo api-quick-start  https://review.openstack.org/55887716:49
ianychoipkovar, thanks - I will do it soon and share here and infra channel16:49
pkovarianychoi: great, then we can easily iterate when we have something to start with :)16:49
ianychoi:) thanks a lot, pkovar for kind comments!16:50
pkovarianychoi: thanks for volunteering, that's the most important thing always ! :)16:51
mordredianychoi: oh. wow, I'm terrible16:51
ianychoipkovar, you're welcome :) mordred, hello!16:51
pkovar#info thanks ianychoi for driving project docs translations and pdf builds16:52
* mordred waves16:52
pkovar/me waves back at mordred16:52
* ianychoi thanks a lot all :)16:53
pkovaranything else to discuss today?16:54
pkovarmaybe more kudos? :)16:54
ianychoiNope from me :)16:55
pkovar#info thanks stephenfin for keeping projects updated wrt sphinxcontrib-apidoc16:55
pkovar#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-March/128817.html16:55
pkovar#link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-March/128594.html16:55
ianychoiLooks so nice :)16:56
pkovarokay, i think we can wrap this up16:56
pkovarthank you again :)16:56
pkovar#endmeeting16:56
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mordredianychoi: I'm looking at your the doc spec currently and writing some responses17:03
ianychoimordred, oh thanks a lot! :)17:03
pkovarthanks, mordred17:03
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