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| evrardjp | finucannot: hey | 10:27 |
| finucannot | o/ | 10:27 |
| evrardjp | I finally got cycles to check: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/552069/4/openstackdocstheme/ext.py | 10:27 |
| evrardjp | a little too late :p | 10:27 |
| evrardjp | my concern still stands, just before you're releasing | 10:27 |
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| evrardjp | in L218, you don't check if someone wants to override it, am I wrong? | 10:28 |
| evrardjp | so if I want to override the version, I cannot do it anymore | 10:29 |
| finucannot | I check if someone doesn't want it set | 10:29 |
| finucannot | i.e. for unversioned documentation | 10:29 |
| evrardjp | yes | 10:29 |
| finucannot | Are there cases where you would want something else? | 10:29 |
| evrardjp | our case, we want to override the numbered version | 10:30 |
| evrardjp | because pbr gives a different result than what's expected | 10:30 |
| evrardjp | by some ppl | 10:30 |
| evrardjp | (do you remember what we discussed with version numbers?) | 10:30 |
| evrardjp | and... I don't think that's a pbr issue | 10:30 |
| evrardjp | pbr / packaging are doing the right thing | 10:31 |
| finucannot | This is the thing where it was bumping the PATCH version? | 10:31 |
| evrardjp | yes | 10:31 |
| evrardjp | well basically it's always showing the next version | 10:31 |
| evrardjp | am I right? | 10:31 |
| evrardjp | so you're under development it will show you the package is .... dev | 10:31 |
| evrardjp | but for ppl wanting to deploy, they want docs based on what's already released (previous), not what's coming next | 10:32 |
| evrardjp | so we override the version with the latest tag | 10:32 |
| evrardjp | so... | 10:32 |
| evrardjp | let me show you something :) | 10:32 |
| finucannot | Right, but that sounds like something we're doing wrong with our docs infra | 10:33 |
| finucannot | latest = whatever's currently on master, not the already released thing | 10:33 |
| evrardjp | yes but I will take the example of not latest | 10:33 |
| evrardjp | stable/ branch | 10:33 |
| evrardjp | (we'll be still using the theme) | 10:34 |
| evrardjp | example here: | 10:34 |
| evrardjp | https://docs.openstack.org/project-deploy-guide/openstack-ansible/queens/deploymenthost.html#install-the-source-and-dependencies | 10:34 |
| evrardjp | 17.0.0 is released for us | 10:34 |
| evrardjp | so you can see in our docs we are using 17.0.0 | 10:34 |
| evrardjp | yet | 10:34 |
| evrardjp | on the top left | 10:34 |
| evrardjp | 17.0.1 is there | 10:34 |
| finucannot | Yup, gotcha | 10:34 |
| evrardjp | because it's automatically found | 10:34 |
| evrardjp | well in our case we have many things wrong there | 10:34 |
| evrardjp | I am fixing them | 10:34 |
| evrardjp | :p | 10:34 |
| finucannot | We should probably be saying 17.0.1.dev16 or whatever | 10:35 |
| evrardjp | (which proves your point it should be smartly done in the docs!) | 10:35 |
| finucannot | or 17.0.1-pre | 10:35 |
| evrardjp | exactly, but that confuses a lot of ppl | 10:35 |
| finucannot | The problem there is that 'queens' is not a stable referenced | 10:35 |
| finucannot | *reference | 10:35 |
| evrardjp | so I agree with your for master -- that should be done in a certain way | 10:35 |
| evrardjp | but for stable branch, ppl are confused because it's showing "pre" or anything 17.0.1 | 10:36 |
| evrardjp | so I want to override it to 17.0.0 | 10:36 |
| evrardjp | very specific use case | 10:36 |
| evrardjp | I agree | 10:36 |
| finucannot | I think that's a lie though | 10:36 |
| finucannot | Let me posit something to you | 10:36 |
| evrardjp | it is a lie | 10:36 |
| evrardjp | because the docs is not of 17.0.0 | 10:36 |
| finucannot | Exactly | 10:36 |
| evrardjp | but of the something that might be coming | 10:36 |
| finucannot | You need to backport a fix for a feature, but that fix adds/removes functionality | 10:37 |
| evrardjp | that is true it's a lie, but it's to confuse ppl less | 10:37 |
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| evrardjp | finucannot: I am listening | 10:37 |
| finucannot | You shouldn't need to backport those things but stuff happens (generally for critical/security issues) | 10:37 |
| finucannot | However, you backport this stuff and don't make a release | 10:37 |
| finucannot | Your docs say Y now happens when you do Z | 10:38 |
| evrardjp | we release every two week, but continue :) | 10:38 |
| finucannot | but it doesn't, X still happens | 10:38 |
| finucannot | cos 17.0.1 isn't out yet | 10:38 |
| finucannot | So we either need to indicate that (a) these docs are not the docs for 17.0.0, which is what we currently do | 10:38 |
| finucannot | or (b) only build docs for tagged commits on a stable branch | 10:39 |
| evrardjp | mmm | 10:39 |
| evrardjp | b is not a bad idea. | 10:39 |
| finucannot | i.e. there will be N+1 docs build for each of 17.0.0 to 17.0.N | 10:40 |
| evrardjp | but then I'd still need to override the version there | 10:40 |
| finucannot | I wouldn't be averse to that either | 10:40 |
| finucannot | Would you? | 10:40 |
| evrardjp | and it wouldn't work :p | 10:40 |
| AJaeger | finucannot: btw. friendly reminder to send an email to the mailing list to announce the new version and it's benefits ;) | 10:40 |
| evrardjp | to publish the content we need the tag to be done | 10:40 |
| finucannot | AJaeger: I was waiting for us to bump the minimum version before doing so | 10:41 |
| evrardjp | so in the process the tag must happen then build docs, then publish | 10:41 |
| evrardjp | which is not the current order | 10:41 |
| finucannot | AJaeger: Though the lower-constraints thing that dhellmann is working on might interfere with that | 10:41 |
| finucannot | I have the email written already :) | 10:41 |
| evrardjp | finucannot: :) | 10:41 |
| evrardjp | that's good! | 10:41 |
| evrardjp | I just don't see how this can be working in our case | 10:41 |
| finucannot | evrardjp: Right, but I don't think you can have both | 10:42 |
| AJaeger | finucannot: oh, fun... | 10:42 |
| finucannot | IMO the docs should match the code | 10:42 |
| finucannot | so yeah, to update the docs you'd need to make a new release | 10:42 |
| finucannot | assuming we go with (b) | 10:43 |
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| evrardjp | finucannot: I think the best for our case would be to be able to override the version, maybe not with 17.0.0 but with something like | 10:43 |
| evrardjp | "17.0.1-pre for 17.0.0 release" | 10:43 |
| evrardjp | or something like that | 10:43 |
| evrardjp | so when ppl read it, they are not suprised | 10:43 |
| evrardjp | 17.0.1 is SO much confusing for ppl. | 10:44 |
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| evrardjp | I am just tired of fighting | 10:44 |
| finucannot | evrardjp: So how about if we automatically re-write the version number we get from pbr? | 10:44 |
| finucannot | evrardjp: Fighting? With me? I thought this was bouncing ideas around :( | 10:45 |
| finucannot | But yeah, we could rewrite that version number. 17.0.1.dev5 would just become 17.0.0-post | 10:45 |
| evrardjp | finucannot: oh no not with you | 10:45 |
| evrardjp | sorry | 10:45 |
| finucannot | (it's actually post, not pre. My bad) | 10:45 |
| finucannot | evrardjp: Phew :) | 10:45 |
| evrardjp | this is not what I meant at all! | 10:46 |
| evrardjp | I meant with ppl about trying to make sure they read until the bottom of the page | 10:46 |
| evrardjp | I am sorry :( | 10:46 |
| finucannot | Not at all. All good! | 10:46 |
| finucannot | So yeah, what about that re-writing version idea | 10:47 |
| finucannot | I totally agree that the way this works at the moment is seriously confusing | 10:47 |
| finucannot | I just don't want people having to do this manually | 10:47 |
| evrardjp | this would be more elegant and more standardized | 10:47 |
| finucannot | because if you have this concern, there's a good chance others do too. A generic solution is almost always better | 10:47 |
| evrardjp | we need to set the rules I guess | 10:47 |
| finucannot | The automation should work for us, not against us | 10:48 |
| evrardjp | I think it's for ppl showing instructions about what's done in the past, what's "stabilized" it's the most weird. | 10:48 |
| finucannot | Let me draft something and see what you think | 10:48 |
| finucannot | If it doesn't achieve what you'd like, we can try something else | 10:48 |
| evrardjp | so I'd say, because we are aware in the docs theme that we are in a stable/ branch | 10:49 |
| evrardjp | we could use that | 10:49 |
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| evrardjp | (version pbrversion for latest tag X) | 10:49 |
| evrardjp | pbr version would automatically get the next version X+1 which is fine | 10:50 |
| finucannot | I'd like to stick the '-post' suffix or something equivalent on it though | 10:50 |
| finucannot | Just to highlight that this is not pure 17.0.0 | 10:50 |
| evrardjp | yeah that's fine for me too | 10:50 |
| evrardjp | so you'd say post-17.0.0 ? | 10:50 |
| evrardjp | or 17.0.0-post? | 10:50 |
| evrardjp | something like this | 10:50 |
| finucannot | the latter | 10:50 |
| evrardjp | yeah | 10:51 |
| finucannot | 17.0.0-post | 10:51 |
| evrardjp | that is ok | 10:51 |
| finucannot | or whatever better ideas come up in the review | 10:51 |
| evrardjp | yeah sounds good | 10:51 |
| finucannot | (y) | 10:51 |
| evrardjp | this version is clearly explaining the docs is for something happening after a tag, but still shows the latest tag | 10:52 |
| evrardjp | and it's not something that looks like a tag | 10:52 |
| evrardjp | which is more obvious and ppl won't try to git checkout that version! | 10:52 |
| evrardjp | :) | 10:52 |
| evrardjp | I love it! | 10:52 |
| evrardjp | maybe worth doing before releasing? | 10:52 |
| evrardjp | :D | 10:52 |
| finucannot | The release has already gone out, I'm afraid | 10:52 |
| finucannot | But we can pick this up in the next one | 10:53 |
| evrardjp | yup sounds good to me | 10:53 |
| finucannot | So your docs will be confusing for another while, but after that we'll be golden | 10:53 |
| evrardjp | I just won't backport the bump of the version into my stable branches | 10:53 |
| evrardjp | so it will just impact master | 10:53 |
| evrardjp | which is fine | 10:53 |
| evrardjp | master is a different beast | 10:54 |
| finucannot | Yup, this won't touch stable branches | 10:54 |
| finucannot | those versions are fixed to older openstackdocstheme versions | 10:54 |
| evrardjp | look at us thinking ahead and all! | 10:54 |
| evrardjp | :) | 10:54 |
| evrardjp | please note for master that's even more confusing | 10:55 |
| finucannot | :) | 10:55 |
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| evrardjp | but we can make it work! | 10:55 |
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| openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/openstackdocstheme master: Handle possible exceptions when fetching version numbers https://review.openstack.org/555741 | 11:27 |
| openstackgerrit | Stephen Finucane proposed openstack/openstackdocstheme master: Generate more helpful version numbers https://review.openstack.org/555742 | 11:27 |
| finucannot | evrardjp, AJaeger: ^ | 11:27 |
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| evrardjp | finucannot: thanks :) | 11:28 |
| evrardjp | trying on my machine real quick :) | 11:33 |
| evrardjp | finucannot: trying on our new rocky branch get me a fun result | 11:41 |
| evrardjp | let me paste that into the review | 11:41 |
| evrardjp | finucannot: reviewed | 11:46 |
| evrardjp | finucannot: for master, we simply wanted to say "master" | 11:47 |
| evrardjp | just fyi | 11:47 |
| evrardjp | but I think keeping .dev is good there | 11:47 |
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| evrardjp | finucannot: do you think it would be possible to expose that last previous version into sphinx, so I can use it in my docs ? | 11:53 |
| finucannot | What do you mean? | 11:53 |
| evrardjp | never mind it's probably a bad idea | 11:53 |
| evrardjp | wanted to avoid this dance: https://github.com/openstack/openstack-ansible/blob/master/doc/source/conf.py#L56 | 11:53 |
| evrardjp | it's probably a bad idea | 11:54 |
| finucannot | Hmm, probably not, no | 11:55 |
| finucannot | I'm not sure how we could get that deterministically. I don't really want to hack pbr to get that | 11:55 |
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| evrardjp | I don't want to add that feature into docs theme, it sounds bad. | 11:56 |
| evrardjp | let's just keep that for ourselves :) | 11:56 |
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| AJaeger | evrardjp: does 'git describe --abbrev=0 --tags' really work for you? On nova it gives me 17.0.0.0rc1 which is wrong | 11:57 |
| AJaeger | Ah, you only run on a branch... | 11:57 |
| AJaeger | that gives a different output | 11:58 |
| evrardjp | AJaeger: yup | 12:01 |
| evrardjp | We check the branch to do something that looks right | 12:02 |
| evrardjp | we now master can be at a state where there is no tag yet | 12:02 |
| evrardjp | (before m1), so for master we just say to our deployers to test master. | 12:02 |
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| evrardjp | it's a bad idea but not worse than previous tag | 12:03 |
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| evrardjp | when we are at providing safe defaults, is there a plan to add other things from setup.cfg if available? Should we do it? | 12:18 |
| evrardjp | I am fine with adding those features if you like | 12:22 |
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| pkovar | cores: have a look at https://review.openstack.org/555776 for further discussion on badge css :) | 13:40 |
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| eumel8 | pkovar: some badges are light-red and some dark-red. is this a special effect wither deeper sense or simple an error? ;) | 14:34 |
| pkovar | eumel8: hehe, more likely to be an error | 14:35 |
| pkovar | eumel8: i guess we missed a line or two in css | 14:35 |
| pkovar | we wanted to get rid of light-red , correct? | 14:35 |
| eumel8 | you can define that: some releases are old and some historical old ;) | 14:36 |
| pkovar | as in some are old and some are too old? :) | 14:38 |
| eumel8 | www-generator.py L52 | 14:38 |
| eumel8 | obselete vs EOL | 14:38 |
| pkovar | eumel8: right, thanks | 14:39 |
| pkovar | let me submit a change | 14:39 |
| eumel8 | k | 14:39 |
| openstackgerrit | Petr Kovar proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: [www] Improve CSS for deprecation badges https://review.openstack.org/555776 | 14:42 |
| pkovar | eumel8: done :) | 14:42 |
| eumel8 | thx | 14:42 |
| pkovar | i also tweaked the wording a little bit | 14:43 |
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| eumel8 | looks good locally | 14:53 |
| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Add redirect for python-openstacksdk project rename https://review.openstack.org/555789 | 14:54 |
| openstackgerrit | Doug Hellmann proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: add openstacksdk project as a cloud-client https://review.openstack.org/555819 | 14:54 |
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| eumel8 | pkovar: +2. But maybe it's the wrong red :) | 15:01 |
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| pkovar | finucannot: you don't need a speaker registration code for the summit, do you? | 15:37 |
| finucannot | pkovar: I do not, no. I do have one talk, albeit only a lightning talk :( | 15:38 |
| eumel8 | asked the same in privmsg ... haha | 15:38 |
| pkovar | finucannot: you have been officially volunteered for the onboarding session, congrats | 15:38 |
| pkovar | eumel8: and thanks for requesting the update | 15:38 |
| eumel8 | pkovar: then you can answer Kendall ;) | 15:39 |
| pkovar | finucannot: https://www.openstack.org/summit/vancouver-2018/summit-schedule/events/21627/docsi18n-project-onboarding | 15:40 |
| pkovar | eumel8: hehe, collaboration | 15:40 |
| finucannot | pkovar: Yay, team work :) | 15:40 |
| finucannot | eumel8 too, of course! | 15:41 |
| pkovar | sent | 15:42 |
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| ianychoi | finucannot, oh really hope to see u :) | 15:48 |
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| eumel8 | pkovar: so you are definitly not there? I have some space free in the suitcase! | 15:57 |
| openstackgerrit | Petr Kovar proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: [contrib] Add External Link Helper to Scripts overview https://review.openstack.org/555838 | 15:57 |
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| pkovar | eumel8: hehe, noted, well, never say never but it's also that may is not looking good for me personally | 15:59 |
| eumel8 | pkovar: okay, still 2 months left. hopefully we will see you there | 16:01 |
| pkovar | eumel8: that's right, and if not then start brewing hectolitres in berlin :) | 16:04 |
| openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: add openstacksdk project as a cloud-client https://review.openstack.org/555819 | 16:06 |
| openstackgerrit | Andreas Jaeger proposed openstack/api-site master: Rename python-openstacksdk to openstacksdk https://review.openstack.org/555768 | 16:06 |
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| finucannot | ianychoi: Likewise :) | 17:23 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/api-site master: Rename python-openstacksdk to openstacksdk https://review.openstack.org/555768 | 17:34 |
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