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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/openstack-manuals master: Update hacking https://review.openstack.org/516702 | 06:22 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/security-doc master: Fix an error in README https://review.openstack.org/516832 | 06:44 |
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| openstackgerrit | Chason Chan proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Update README file https://review.openstack.org/516871 | 07:19 |
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| asettle | Morning o/ | 10:30 |
| ianychoi | Good morning! | 10:37 |
| asettle | o/ | 10:38 |
| ianychoi | o/ | 10:38 |
| ianychoi | asettle, seems that I have not greeted u so far :) How things are going with u? | 10:38 |
| asettle | Pretty alright! Slowly getting the hang of all the new things :) | 10:39 |
| asettle | How about you? | 10:39 |
| ianychoi | Good :) I am now in Oslo Norway and am learning new things :) | 10:39 |
| asettle | That's exciting! How are you liking Oslo? | 10:40 |
| ianychoi | A little bit cold but so fresh air and water! | 10:40 |
| ianychoi | I am now in my business trip and learning more on programming skills for developing mobile applications. So different from cloud computing stuffs but good since they are good applications of cloud computing | 10:43 |
| ianychoi | Hmm I can easily join on today Docs IRC meeting :) See all Docs team members soon | 10:45 |
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| pkovar | all: docs meeting starts here in 15 mins | 15:46 |
| pkovar | agenda updated at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/DocTeamMeeting | 15:46 |
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| chason | pkovar waiting for it. :) | 15:55 |
| pkovar | hello chason | 15:55 |
| chason | pkovar hi o/ | 15:55 |
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| pkovar | #startmeeting docteam | 16:00 |
| openstack | Meeting started Wed Nov 1 16:00:43 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is pkovar. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 16:00 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 16:00 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 16:00 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'docteam' | 16:00 |
| pkovar | hey team, who's around? | 16:01 |
| eumel8 | o/ | 16:01 |
| chason | o/ | 16:01 |
| pkovar | \o | 16:01 |
| pkovar | let's give it 4.5 mins before we start | 16:02 |
| ianychoi | Oh here is the meeting channel. Hi all | 16:05 |
| AJaeger | o/ | 16:05 |
| pkovar | ianychoi: hey | 16:05 |
| ianychoi | pkovar, hello :) | 16:05 |
| pkovar | alright, first topic is | 16:06 |
| pkovar | #topic Docs team vision document | 16:06 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Docs team vision document (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 16:06 | |
| pkovar | #info At final review | 16:06 |
| pkovar | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/514779/ | 16:06 |
| pkovar | #info Sent a reminder asking for more input | 16:06 |
| pkovar | to Mls | 16:06 |
| pkovar | #info Let's close by Thu, before the Summit | 16:06 |
| pkovar | unless there are objections? | 16:06 |
| pkovar | thanks for voting and reviews, everybody | 16:07 |
| pkovar | by close i mean merge | 16:07 |
| ianychoi | Good good :) | 16:07 |
| pkovar | we've got 5 +2's so that's not that bad | 16:08 |
| AJaeger | that's a lot ;) | 16:08 |
| pkovar | actually, you're right, it is AJaeger | 16:08 |
| pkovar | any other comments on this? let the team know :) | 16:09 |
| pkovar | next topic | 16:10 |
| pkovar | #topic Docs retention policy changes | 16:10 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Docs retention policy changes (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 16:10 | |
| pkovar | #info We've just approved this spec. Thanks Doug for putting this together! | 16:10 |
| pkovar | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/507629 | 16:10 |
| pkovar | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/507629 | 16:10 |
| pkovar | well, not just... | 16:10 |
| pkovar | related to this is | 16:10 |
| pkovar | #info Flagging deprecated releases | 16:10 |
| pkovar | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-October/123381.html | 16:10 |
| pkovar | people are preparing for summit so the progress has been slower | 16:11 |
| pkovar | than right after the ptg | 16:11 |
| pkovar | but we've got volunteers who expressed interest in helping out with badges | 16:12 |
| pkovar | so i think we are on track with this | 16:12 |
| pkovar | next topic? | 16:13 |
| pkovar | #topic Branches vs "everything in master" | 16:13 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Branches vs "everything in master" (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 16:13 | |
| pkovar | this came up yesterday in this channel | 16:13 |
| pkovar | #info Common Install Guide content should be branched/split up per-release? | 16:13 |
| pkovar | though it's not just about the install guide, for sure | 16:14 |
| ianychoi | (Sorry - I need to go out. I will see and follow the meeting minute.) | 16:14 |
| pkovar | we kinda made a decision to document multiple releases in a single install guide doc for pike | 16:14 |
| pkovar | if we branched or split up the install guide doc, it would allow for a better content flow and structure, i think | 16:15 |
| pkovar | chason proposed creating a branch | 16:16 |
| pkovar | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/516523/ | 16:16 |
| pkovar | ianychoi: nw, see you later | 16:16 |
| pkovar | what are everybody's thoughts on pros and cons re branching? | 16:17 |
| chason | Yes, I agree with asettle, just like it all clean and separated. :) | 16:17 |
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| pkovar | chason: are there other documents that would benefit from branching? or just the install guide common content? | 16:17 |
| AJaeger | we always have the challenge with multiple versions. A new distro release might come out at any time - and then our newest release documents a previous one. So, if we branch, let's make clear what we document where. | 16:18 |
| AJaeger | One option: Document the current version at OpenStack release time; no distro update in stable - only in master. | 16:18 |
| AJaeger | But there are others as well... | 16:18 |
| pkovar | AJaeger: so the current version would stay in master until the next version is released? | 16:20 |
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| AJaeger | pkovar: yes | 16:20 |
| pkovar | no draft content? | 16:20 |
| AJaeger | pkovar: we got rid of draft content - and draft was always master | 16:21 |
| pkovar | or latest as in devel | 16:21 |
| AJaeger | yes, we use latest = master | 16:21 |
| pkovar | so latest would be stable, not "devel"? | 16:21 |
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| AJaeger | lastest is devel | 16:21 |
| AJaeger | latest = devel = master = the next release - iff we branch | 16:22 |
| pkovar | and current = branch = the current release - iff we branch? | 16:22 |
| pkovar | current stable i mean | 16:23 |
| AJaeger | iff we branch, then we follow the same method as the projects, so we would have stable/queens once/after they branch | 16:23 |
| pkovar | right, i got confused by the location of where current stable content would live | 16:24 |
| pkovar | i'll try to get more input from ppl attending summit next week | 16:26 |
| AJaeger | sure | 16:26 |
| pkovar | but if you have a preference for any of the possible options, please let us know :) | 16:26 |
| chason | Agree | 16:26 |
| pkovar | i can see that by following what other projects do, we would be more consistent | 16:27 |
| pkovar | other comments? | 16:27 |
| pkovar | okay, next is summit | 16:28 |
| AJaeger | branching is always extra work, let's write down the options and figure out what is easier... | 16:28 |
| pkovar | AJaeger: do we need a new spec for that? | 16:29 |
| AJaeger | pkovar: yes, please | 16:29 |
| pkovar | /me is updating the team's todo list | 16:29 |
| pkovar | #topic OpenStack Summit Sydney | 16:30 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "OpenStack Summit Sydney (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 16:30 | |
| pkovar | #info Quite a few docs-related sessions scheduled | 16:30 |
| pkovar | #info Installation Guides and Tutorials Updates and Testing | 16:31 |
| pkovar | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/sydney-2017/summit-schedule/events/20448/installation-guides-and-tutorials-updates-and-testing | 16:31 |
| pkovar | #info Docs - Project Update | 16:31 |
| pkovar | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/sydney-2017/summit-schedule/events/20373/docs-project-update | 16:31 |
| pkovar | #info Docs/i18n - Project Onboarding | 16:31 |
| pkovar | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/sydney-2017/summit-schedule/events/20550/docsi18n-project-onboarding | 16:31 |
| pkovar | #info Ops Guide Transition and Maintenance | 16:31 |
| pkovar | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/sydney-2017/summit-schedule/events/20446/ops-guide-transition-and-maintenance | 16:31 |
| pkovar | #info Documentation and relnotes, what do you miss? | 16:31 |
| pkovar | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/sydney-2017/summit-schedule/events/20468/documentation-and-relnotes-what-do-you-miss | 16:31 |
| pkovar | #info How Zanata powers upstream collaboration with OpenStack internationalization | 16:31 |
| pkovar | #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/sydney-2017/summit-schedule/events/20007/how-zanata-powers-upstream-collaboration-with-openstack-internationalization | 16:31 |
| pkovar | hope i didn't miss anything :) | 16:32 |
| pkovar | who will be around? | 16:32 |
| pkovar | if you are, you are most welcome to join the sessions | 16:32 |
| * AJaeger won't | 16:32 | |
| pkovar | esp, project onboarding | 16:33 |
| pkovar | i'm hoping we could attract new people to work on core suite or project docs | 16:33 |
| pkovar | get updates on what's the progress of install guide testing, if this is something we want to continue doing | 16:34 |
| pkovar | talk about ops docs | 16:35 |
| pkovar | provided they are people interested in maintaining the content | 16:35 |
| pkovar | that used to live in ops guide | 16:35 |
| pkovar | that we had to kill | 16:35 |
| pkovar | etc. | 16:35 |
| pkovar | is there anything the team wants to bring up as a topic with summit people? | 16:37 |
| pkovar | okay, a couple of announcements from previous meeting brought forward | 16:39 |
| pkovar | #topic sitemap automation suggestions | 16:39 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "sitemap automation suggestions (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 16:39 | |
| pkovar | #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-October/123228.html | 16:39 |
| pkovar | feedback still welcome wrt potential scope, etc. | 16:39 |
| pkovar | #topic Bug Triage Team | 16:40 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Bug Triage Team (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 16:40 | |
| pkovar | #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/SpecialityTeams | 16:40 |
| pkovar | you can still sign up if you are into triaging fun | 16:40 |
| pkovar | or just want to help out | 16:41 |
| pkovar | big thanks to those who have been traiging last month | 16:41 |
| pkovar | even if they didn't officially sign up :) | 16:41 |
| pkovar | triaging, rather | 16:42 |
| pkovar | #topic PDF builds | 16:42 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "PDF builds (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 16:42 | |
| pkovar | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/509297/ | 16:42 |
| chason | pkovar After the doc migration, we have little bug report. | 16:42 |
| pkovar | ianychoi had to leave, so i guess we skip this one? | 16:42 |
| pkovar | chason: good point | 16:43 |
| pkovar | do we still need a bug triage team then? | 16:43 |
| chason | Maybe not. ;( | 16:44 |
| pkovar | #topic Open discussion | 16:45 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Open discussion (Meeting topic: docteam)" | 16:45 | |
| pkovar | other thoughts, opinions, comments, concerns? | 16:45 |
| chason | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/512136/ | 16:46 |
| chason | Can we try to merge this patch? :) | 16:46 |
| pkovar | i think we can! :) | 16:46 |
| pkovar | thanks for working on this, chason | 16:47 |
| chason | yw | 16:47 |
| pkovar | i will review | 16:47 |
| chason | Thanks! :D | 16:47 |
| pkovar | #info cores, if you are available, please review | 16:47 |
| pkovar | #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/512136/ | 16:47 |
| pkovar | any other issues with deploy guides? | 16:48 |
| chason | guess no | 16:49 |
| AJaeger | hope we finally solved them all ;) | 16:49 |
| pkovar | thanks goes to all of you who have been fixing issues | 16:49 |
| pkovar | thumbs up | 16:50 |
| eumel8 | https://docs.openstack.org/pike/deploy/ the OSA link is still not working for me | 16:50 |
| pkovar | hmm, https://docs.openstack.org/project-deploy-guide/openstack-ansible/pike/ works for me | 16:50 |
| chason | eumel8 But I am fine. | 16:51 |
| eumel8 | ah | 16:51 |
| pkovar | cache issue? | 16:51 |
| eumel8 | firefox hard core caching | 16:51 |
| AJaeger | eumel8: both work for me | 16:51 |
| chason | eumel8 maybe you need to clean your web browser's cache or change your web browser. | 16:52 |
| eumel8 | it works with IE ;) | 16:52 |
| pkovar | try incognito mode | 16:52 |
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| pkovar | IE ftw hehe | 16:52 |
| eumel8 | chason: I never clean the cache ;) | 16:52 |
| chason | eumel8 Aha..I could say, me too.. :P | 16:53 |
| pkovar | alright, i think we can end this mtg then | 16:55 |
| pkovar | thank you for attending | 16:55 |
| pkovar | #endmeeting | 16:55 |
| eumel8 | thx pkovar | 16:56 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Rocking the OpenStack docs since 2010. Read the docs: http://docs.openstack.org | Write the docs: http://wiki.openstack.org/Documentation/HowTo | Review the docs: http://is.gd/openstackdocreview" | 16:56 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Wed Nov 1 16:55:59 2017 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 16:56 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2017/docteam.2017-11-01-16.00.html | 16:56 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2017/docteam.2017-11-01-16.00.txt | 16:56 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2017/docteam.2017-11-01-16.00.log.html | 16:56 |
| AJaeger | thanks, pkovar | 16:56 |
| eumel8 | chason: just wondering that firefox cached a 301 | 16:56 |
| chason | thx, pkovar | 16:57 |
| chason | eumel8 really? I only use the Safari and Chrome. | 16:57 |
| chason | Too late here. I really need go to sleep. See you guys tomorrow. :) | 16:59 |
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| eumel8 | chason: good night :) | 17:02 |
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| bsilverman_ | pkovar: I was on the meeting lurking, sorry I couldn’t announce myself, I was presenting a webex in another screen at the time. Didn’t want to accidentally switch screens and show them the meeting :slightly_smiling_face: I’ll be in Sydney and will try to get to the docs sessions. | 18:27 |
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| pkovar | bsilverman_: thanks for the update. see you there then! | 18:28 |
| bsilverman_ | pkovar: sure np! | 18:29 |
| pkovar | would be great to have more core contributors joining esp. the onboaring session :) | 18:29 |
| pkovar | as i expect the group to split up to subgroups depending on their interest | 18:30 |
| bsilverman_ | Okay, I’ll put that in my schedule. | 18:30 |
| pkovar | ideally, we would have one mentor for each subgroup :) | 18:30 |
| pkovar | thanks again | 18:30 |
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