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| asettle | Good morning :) | 08:06 |
| asettle | stephenfin: you good to merge this one? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/477488/ | 08:07 |
| * asettle starts early | 08:07 | |
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| AJaeger | good morning, asettle | 08:15 |
| stephenfin | asettle: Yeah, I think that one's all good to go | 08:18 |
| stephenfin | Though wasn't there some conditional steps in the installation guide? Were they removed? | 08:19 |
| * stephenfin only rebased it and hasn't reviewed it yet. Will do so now | 08:19 | |
| asettle | stephenfin: we removed all those shenanigans before giving it over to you | 08:20 |
| asettle | Because we're nice. | 08:20 |
| AJaeger | stephenfin: we remove the conditions and just folded five guides into one - so that you have a combined one. | 08:20 |
| AJaeger | Far easier to build... | 08:20 |
| AJaeger | and yes, asettle is nice ;) | 08:21 |
| AJaeger | as is dhellmann :) | 08:21 |
| asettle | And so is AJaeger | 08:21 |
| asettle | Awww <3 | 08:21 |
| asettle | Nice team | 08:21 |
| asettle | Although watch out for that Anne lady... she's tricky | 08:21 |
| asettle | :p | 08:21 |
| stephenfin | You guys are weird | 08:22 |
| stephenfin | ;) | 08:22 |
| stephenfin | asettle: Just me, or is all the indentation messed up in this? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/477488/8/doc/source/install/compute-install-obs.rst | 08:23 |
| asettle | stephenfin: ah no, you're weird | 08:23 |
| asettle | Lemme look | 08:23 |
| asettle | stephenfin: yeah there's a few things there that are not quite inline. Also, tonnes of whitespace | 08:23 |
| stephenfin | asettle: I know you are but what am I? | 08:24 |
| * stephenfin straightens up and puts on adult face | 08:24 | |
| stephenfin | OK, cool. I'll go through and fix those quickly so | 08:24 |
| asettle | (y) | 08:24 |
| asettle | Neat | 08:24 |
| asettle | Thanks | 08:24 |
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| AJaeger | ;) | 08:29 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/openstack-manuals master: Update the usage of openstack-doc-tools https://review.openstack.org/490725 | 08:56 |
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| asettle | AJaeger dhellmann - sdague was asking: "do you know if the toc warning is ignorable from sphinx so we don't keep having to use hidden tocs?" | 10:59 |
| asettle | I haven't tried before | 11:00 |
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| AJaeger | you can use ..orphan:: to ignore specific pages | 11:30 |
| AJaeger | Or add them to the exclude list, let me find a link for you | 11:31 |
| AJaeger | asettle: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/openstack-manuals/tree/doc/admin-guide/source/conf.py#n80 | 11:31 |
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| sdague | AJaeger: right, I was wondering if we can just fully ignore the warning | 11:49 |
| sdague | AJaeger: we're not trying to ignore the files | 11:49 |
| sdague | I'm trying to get out of the sphinx shackles that everything has to be in the TOC | 11:49 |
| sdague | because, while that's a fine restriction for print | 11:49 |
| sdague | it's a sucky one for web where you may come in via different facets | 11:50 |
| sdague | it's not one linear flow | 11:50 |
| AJaeger | sdague: I think orphan might work in that case | 11:50 |
| AJaeger | sdague: I'm not aware of a global flag to set | 11:51 |
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| AJaeger | sdague: there's suppress_warnings flag but it does not handle this warning | 11:52 |
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| AJaeger | Wait, what about app.add_node ? Have a look whether any of these work: http://sphinx.readthedocs.io/en/stable/config.html#general-configuration | 11:53 |
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| sdague | AJaeger: yeh, that was the question about whether there was a warning I could catch | 11:55 |
| AJaeger | sdague: looking at source code in environment/__init__.py - there's only orphan to disable this for specific files - for your entry points | 11:56 |
| sdague | so just .. orphan:: at the top of pages? | 11:57 |
| AJaeger | yes | 11:58 |
| sdague | ok, good to know | 11:59 |
| AJaeger | sdague: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/openstack-manuals/tree/doc/admin-guide/source/support-compute.rst#n2 | 11:59 |
| sdague | ok | 12:00 |
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| dhellmann | asettle, AJaeger, stephenfin : o/ | 12:14 |
| asettle | Morn! o/ | 12:14 |
| AJaeger | morning, dhellmann | 12:14 |
| dhellmann | AJaeger, sdague : you can use suppress_warnings to ignore some warnings, but I don't recommend ignoring that one | 12:15 |
| dhellmann | the toctree is how sphinx knows how your files tie together, so if you start messing with it you may end up with a site where it's only possible to navigate to pages if you know the url | 12:15 |
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| sdague | dhellmann: not if you have deep links. The nova manual at this point is enormous, and at least with the openstackdocs theme in the way it does the toc display it's kind of a mess | 12:25 |
| sdague | asettle: so is https://docs.openstack.org/nova/latest/install/controller-install.html because we're missing something on the distro selection front? | 12:25 |
| dhellmann | if you remove a page from the toctree, and do not have a link to it, and disable the warning, you end up with an orphaned page. It may not be the end of the world, and if you want to keep up with making sure you actually link to all files, that's fine. I'm just explaining why I think it's a bad idea. | 12:26 |
| dhellmann | the theme is a wip, like everything else, so if you have issues with it either file a bug or a patch | 12:26 |
| asettle | sdague: looks like we'll need to jump in and rename each section appropriately. I missed that, sorry. The file names are correct, so I can propose a patch to fix that | 12:26 |
| sdague | asettle: right, but I wouldn't expect the next navigation to be install debian -> install ubuntu -> install fedora | 12:27 |
| sdague | which is what it is now | 12:27 |
| asettle | Let me take a look :) i'll propose a patch to fix that | 12:28 |
| sdague | on the install / admin side, how free are we at changing some of those titles, because if we make them fit more with the nova manual, they'll fit less with trying to build an overall install manual for openstack | 12:29 |
| sdague | or, I guess, more specifically, what is the plan for that? | 12:29 |
| asettle | So, I'll separate into the three packages, and then have compute install, controll install within | 12:29 |
| sdague | asettle: ok, cool | 12:29 |
| asettle | sdague: they're your docs now :) go for it. I mean, it would be good for this release to have some synergy across. But it's up to you guys to determine what's best for your users | 12:29 |
| asettle | Happy to guide | 12:29 |
| sdague | asettle: ok, so there is not going to be a consolidated manual anywhere? | 12:30 |
| dhellmann | no, that's the whole point of this, we can't sustain that | 12:30 |
| asettle | As dhellmann said :) | 12:30 |
| sdague | ok, I thought we were taking the subject content back in, but still creating the collective build out of the parts | 12:31 |
| dhellmann | no | 12:31 |
| dhellmann | there is a landing page that links to all of the individual project guides, that's it | 12:31 |
| sdague | ok | 12:31 |
| asettle | TL;DR - all yours! | 12:32 |
| asettle | :) | 12:32 |
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| tosky | I'm (finally) restructuring the Sahara documentation, but I'm not sure about what to put exactly in the admin guide vs user or configuration | 12:35 |
| tosky | also, should configuration only contain the autogenerated content, and move the advanced description of configuration to admin/ ? | 12:35 |
| asettle | tosky: as per the spec, 'user' refers to end user. Admin should be targeted towards your operators | 12:37 |
| asettle | If the advanced description is not configuration content, then include in admin | 12:37 |
| asettle | But the auto-gen should definitely be in config | 12:37 |
| tosky | for example, let's see those 3 pages | 12:38 |
| tosky | https://docs.openstack.org/sahara/latest/userdoc/configuration.guide.html | 12:38 |
| tosky | https://docs.openstack.org/sahara/latest/userdoc/advanced.configuration.guide.html | 12:38 |
| tosky | https://docs.openstack.org/sahara/latest/userdoc/upgrade.guide.html | 12:38 |
| asettle | sdague: so I'll push up a patch shortly. But I've made is so it's clearly marked as three different installs, and i'll add a note about using the particular instructions PER package | 12:38 |
| tosky | more admin? | 12:38 |
| asettle | At a cursory glance, yep tosky :( | 12:38 |
| asettle | :) * | 12:38 |
| asettle | No sad face, happy face | 12:38 |
| asettle | Love me some config | 12:38 |
| tosky | o.O | 12:38 |
| tosky | I was confused by the sad face | 12:38 |
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| asettle | sdague: real small fix: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/490844/ | 12:42 |
| asettle | It should ease confusion until we do proper restructure :) | 12:42 |
| asettle | stephenfin: ^ | 12:42 |
| tosky | and each major subsection (user/, contributor/, references/, admin/, etc) should have its own index.rst, because they can be used independently from the each other, right? | 12:44 |
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| stephenfin | asettle: done | 12:45 |
| asettle | wow that's mean | 12:45 |
| asettle | Done | 12:45 |
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| dhellmann | tosky : yes, that's right. And because the series landing pages on docs.o.o will link to those index pages | 12:46 |
| dhellmann | tosky : if it helps, the intent for the /configuration directory was to only have auto-generated configuration reference content | 12:46 |
| tosky | dhellmann: that helps, thanks | 12:48 |
| pkovar | tosky: also, e.g. https://docs.openstack.org/sahara/latest/userdoc/ now shows a directory listing which is not very nice. you want to avoid that | 12:48 |
| tosky | but you will see the review, hopefully in few minutes | 12:48 |
| tosky | let's say one hour | 12:48 |
| stephenfin | asettle: Sometimes you've got to be cruel to be kind | 12:49 |
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| asettle | Sureeee | 12:52 |
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| asettle | Okay dhellmann stephenfin and sdague - i'm out early to head to the aeroporto! If you guys need anything or reviews - add me as a reviewer and I'll look Monday morn :) | 13:28 |
| asettle | Hope everyone has a good weekend! | 13:28 |
| stephenfin | asettle: Enjoy :) | 13:29 |
| asettle | THanks pal o/ | 13:29 |
| dhellmann | asettle : safe travels! | 13:29 |
| asettle | o/ | 13:29 |
| AJaeger | asettle: safe travels! | 13:31 |
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| tosky | oh, Sahara should be fine (at least until you start reviewing it :) https://review.openstack.org/490872 | 13:49 |
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| tosky | do we need to restructure also the documentation of a non-service like the sahara-tests repository? https://docs.openstack.org/sahara-tests/latest/ | 15:13 |
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| AJaeger | tosky: only if you want to link to special pages in it | 15:14 |
| AJaeger | meaning: We have index pages to link to your user/admin/etc guides - if you have none, no need to do anything | 15:14 |
| tosky | ack, then it's fine I guess | 15:15 |
| tosky | at least for now | 15:15 |
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| tosky | by the way, is the preview of the changes though docs-stage in jobs a "recent" improvement? | 15:17 |
| tosky | or did I simply not noticed it until one month ago? | 15:17 |
| tosky | pkovar: hi! So, filename, I'm going to change to '-'; it's fine for development.guidelines -> development-guidelines, but also how_to_participate should be how-to-partecipate? | 15:23 |
| tosky | well, probably yes | 15:24 |
| pkovar | tosky: hey | 15:26 |
| pkovar | tosky: yeah, as you said, just changing to dashes everywhere would be best | 15:26 |
| pkovar | i mean, you are renaming the files anyway | 15:27 |
| AJaeger | tosky: the docs job preview is there since before I joined - so ages ok ;) | 15:27 |
| tosky | :/ never noticed, silly me | 15:27 |
| tosky | pkovar: the renaming of the file is easy, the interlinks are more complicated, but I will manage before the end of the day :) | 15:27 |
| pkovar | tosky: thank you! | 15:28 |
| tosky | pkovar: apart from that, does the new structure make sense, at least from a first glance from a non-contributor/non-user of Sahara? | 15:29 |
| AJaeger | tosky: you might not be the only one - talk loudly about the hidden gem you just found, please ;) | 15:29 |
| pkovar | tosky: the structure does look good, also i just realized sahara was probably never part of the common install guide | 15:32 |
| tosky | yep, most likely | 15:33 |
| pkovar | coz your install docs are different | 15:33 |
| dhellmann | tosky : keep in mind that every file you rename breaks a bookmark or stackoverflow reference to that page | 15:37 |
| tosky | dhellmann: that's correct | 15:37 |
| pkovar | yeah, thats the price you have to pay for consistency or better structure | 15:38 |
| pkovar | unless you can set up redirects | 15:38 |
| tosky | dhellmann: but then also https://docs.openstack.org/sahara/latest/userdoc/hadoop-swift.html will be broken because userdoc won't exist anymore | 15:38 |
| pkovar | good point | 15:39 |
| dhellmann | tosky : http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-August/120418.html explains how to set up redirects | 15:39 |
| dhellmann | if you've moving the file, renaming it at the same time makes sense, but if you're not touching it otherwise I wouldn't rename it | 15:39 |
| tosky | uhm, I can invest some time in the redirects, but after the release for Queens (ensuring that the latest/ link will still work) | 15:41 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/api-site master: Replace dict.itervalues() with dict.values() https://review.openstack.org/490777 | 15:41 |
| dhellmann | tosky : ++ | 15:41 |
| tosky | but yeah, I'm halfway through the renames; as you said, this is the best time for renaming also the file (in addition to the path) | 15:44 |
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| tosky | ... and uploaded | 16:07 |
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