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| openstackgerrit | Chason Chan proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: [cli-ref] Update python-solumclient to 2.3.0 https://review.openstack.org/456859 | 02:03 |
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| openstackgerrit | Chason Chan proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: [networking] Improve the FWaaS configuration note https://review.openstack.org/458741 | 07:03 |
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| asettle | Morning :) | 07:47 |
| AJaeger | morning, asettle | 07:47 |
| asettle | o/ | 07:47 |
| AJaeger | sorry for not sending my regrets for last night's docu meeting - old AJaeger was too tired ;( | 07:48 |
| mpranjic | morning all :) | 07:50 |
| asettle | AJaeger: no problem :) my typing was the equivalent of a drunks, I was so tired myself. | 07:52 |
| asettle | Been a very exhausting week. | 07:52 |
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| mpranjic | I wanted to join, but missed it. :/ | 07:56 |
| mpranjic | have to set those things in my calender | 07:56 |
| AJaeger | asettle: exhausting and frustrating I fear ;/ | 07:58 |
| asettle | mpranjic: I'm about to set one in mine if you'd like me to send you a meeting invite? | 07:58 |
| asettle | AJaeger: yeah, very much so. I just feel like I haven't slept. Bad news all the time. | 07:58 |
| asettle | mpranjic: take a look at our meeting minutes if you would like to catch up on some of the convo :) | 07:59 |
| AJaeger | mpranjic: do you know how to find meeting minutes - and where the cal file is? | 07:59 |
| mpranjic | asettle: yes, please :) | 08:04 |
| asettle | mpranjic: best email? | 08:05 |
| mpranjic | AJaeger: not really. can yoy give me a hint? | 08:06 |
| mpranjic | asettle: sent you :) | 08:06 |
| asettle | mpranjic: one second | 08:08 |
| asettle | mpranjic: here's our agenda for each meeting: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/DocTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting | 08:08 |
| asettle | If you go to "previous meetings" | 08:08 |
| asettle | you'll see a link to eavesdrop | 08:08 |
| asettle | And here's a full log from last night: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/docteam/2017/docteam.2017-04-20-21.00.log.txt | 08:09 |
| mpranjic | *click* | 08:11 |
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| AJaeger | mpranjic: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/ contains information about all meetings | 08:12 |
| AJaeger | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#Documentation_Team_Meeting is ours - including links to notes and ICS file | 08:13 |
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| * mpranjic reads ... | 08:15 | |
| mpranjic | boston is far away from me this year :) | 08:16 |
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| mpranjic | asettle: OSIC was a big hit, I can tell | 08:17 |
| asettle | Yerp :( | 08:18 |
| mpranjic | asettle: sad to hear those news... still, if everything else, fails, there are some footsteps to follow https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLAj-vCljDk | 08:19 |
| mpranjic | ;) | 08:19 |
| mpranjic | reading further ... | 08:19 |
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| mpranjic | asettle: a stupid question: any chance some other bit player step-in insetad of Intel? | 08:26 |
| mpranjic | *big | 08:26 |
| asettle | mpranjic: into the Rackspace contract? | 08:26 |
| mpranjic | yes | 08:26 |
| asettle | mpranjic: not that I'm aware of, unfortunately. | 08:26 |
| mpranjic | if I understood: Intel pulled out, right? | 08:27 |
| asettle | Yes :) | 08:27 |
| mpranjic | rackspace didn't yet? or they did? | 08:27 |
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| mpranjic | <bmoss> If someone wants to take the Placement API out back and put it out of my misery... | 08:27 |
| mpranjic | :) | 08:28 |
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| asettle | mpranjic: Rackspace and Intel had a contract. If Intel back out, that's the end of that. | 08:45 |
| asettle | And yeah, he's got a placement API bug that's fucking annoying | 08:45 |
| asettle | https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1683585 | 08:46 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1683585 in openstack-manuals "Placement endpoint configuration incorrect as written" [Undecided,New] - Assigned to Brian Moss (bmoss) | 08:46 |
| mpranjic | asettle: that placement causes more damage than it does good | 08:48 |
| mpranjic | asettle: reading https://osic.org/faq | 08:48 |
| mpranjic | asettle: I like the idea, although, true business case is not noted here. Can't tell what got to Intel's decision, but imo some KPI alerted them and in the end it's about money, so... | 08:49 |
| asettle | mpranjic: pretty much nailed it on the head | 08:55 |
| asettle | mpranjic: yes, I"m in the nova channel right now trying to get some context. | 08:55 |
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| openstackgerrit | jimmygc proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Remove deprecated nova-network config sample https://review.openstack.org/458319 | 10:00 |
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| thomasem | Looking at https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1660687 and wondering, is the intention to evolve https://docs.openstack.org/draft/networking-guide/config-ovsfwdriver.html into documentation on all firewall driver options? Was about to file a bug or something to track that work; it just seems weird adding something that applies to all firewall drivers (the ability to have mixed drivers among agents an | 14:48 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1660687 in openstack-manuals "L2 agent securitygroup config not documented" [Low,Confirmed] | 14:48 |
| thomasem | configuration when an agent lacks said configuration) in what appears to be a driver-specific page. Thoughts? | 14:48 |
| asettle | thomasem: lemme look | 14:50 |
| asettle | thomasem: I don't believe so, no. My understanding is that the reporter is asking for clarification on L2 agents, not specifically turning that ovsfwdriver file to firewall driver options | 14:52 |
| asettle | I could be wrong | 14:52 |
| asettle | john-dav_: ? | 14:52 |
| asettle | You commented on it with your thoughts, but anything to thomase ? | 14:52 |
| asettle | thomasem: * | 14:52 |
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| thomasem | About to. I understand that the bug isn't suggesting changing it to a document describing the other options, I'm suggesting that it makes more sense to document something that applies to all drivers in a higher-level context. | 14:53 |
| john-davidge | asettle: looking | 14:53 |
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| asettle | thomasem: oh! I read your suggestion wrong. I'm sorry. Hmmm let me revisit | 14:53 |
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| thomasem | Haha, no worries | 14:54 |
| asettle | To be honest, how much work would it be either way? | 14:54 |
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| thomasem | Well, I was imagining a series of patches. First, to get the new ability to have heterogeneous drivers configured (which is fine here) and then after that, modify this to something describing all available options for that config key. | 14:55 |
| thomasem | Mangled that one... first to DOCUMENT the new ability, which is fine in the linked page for now. | 14:55 |
| thomasem | But, following that with something higher-level to describe all available options and their relevance. | 14:55 |
| john-davidge | thomasem: If I remember correctly, the intention behind my comment was that https://docs.openstack.org/draft/networking-guide/config-ovsfwdriver.html should be updated to describe the fact that multiple drivers can be used by setting different values on each agent | 14:56 |
| asettle | So, yes. Really. | 14:56 |
| john-davidge | thomasem: Not necessarily to document exactly how each should be used | 14:56 |
| john-davidge | thomasem: So, pretty much exactly what you just said :) | 14:57 |
| thomasem | john-davidge: Okay, but do you agree that this documentation needs to at some time in the future here describe more about the available options, and then we could move the documentation around the ability to set different values on each agent up into that higher-level documentation? | 14:57 |
| thomasem | Which would then provide sections on each of the available drivers | 14:57 |
| thomasem | Not unlike this page here, which specifically talks about native OVS | 14:57 |
| * thomasem is going to file a separate bug for that evolution, if so. | 14:59 | |
| john-davidge | thomasem: Yes, that sounds like the right direction to me | 14:59 |
| thomasem | Or would that be a BP? or something else? (seems every team operates differently :P ) | 14:59 |
| john-davidge | thomasem: Thank you for putting it into words | 14:59 |
| john-davidge | asettle: BP necessary? Seems like a bug report could cover it | 15:00 |
| asettle | Hmm no, bug report should be fine. | 15:00 |
| thomasem | :thumbsup: | 15:00 |
| thomasem | On it. | 15:00 |
| asettle | Although I'm kind of thinking that if you are basing this off the bug report already there, just include your new summary there | 15:00 |
| asettle | Rather than creating a new one | 15:00 |
| asettle | Cause then we'll have buggsssss | 15:00 |
| thomasem | asettle I thought more was better? | 15:01 |
| * thomasem hides | 15:01 | |
| asettle | Hahhahaha please no | 15:01 |
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| openstackgerrit | Thomas Maddox proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Add section describing heterogeneous firewall drivers https://review.openstack.org/458911 | 18:14 |
| openstackgerrit | Thomas Maddox proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Add section describing heterogeneous firewall drivers https://review.openstack.org/458911 | 18:14 |
| thomasem | Pardon ze spam. Rebased. | 18:14 |
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| AJaeger | thomasem: why did you rebase? | 18:42 |
| AJaeger | thomasem: there's absolutely no need to rebase - unless there's a merge conflict. | 18:43 |
| AJaeger | thomasem: OpenStack CI automatically rebases as needed before running tests or merging. | 18:44 |
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| thomasem | AJaeger, it's a compulsion of mine to be up to date? | 19:16 |
| thomasem | Finding unforeseen issues before they go so far | 19:16 |
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| openstackgerrit | Thomas Maddox proposed openstack/openstack-manuals master: Add section describing heterogeneous firewall drivers https://review.openstack.org/458911 | 19:27 |
| AJaeger | thomasem: what kind of issues? It really is not needed - and makes comparing changes between revisions often impossible when you rebase. | 19:29 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jay Bryant proposed openstack/training-guides master: [upstream] fix links and wording in Sandbox slides https://review.openstack.org/458951 | 19:33 |
| thomasem | How would it make comparing between revisions impossible? I would think it'd make the diff between however many revisions where a rebase happened appear to be none in the case of no merge conflict(s), and otherwise it'd be a legitimate change? It's more a habit than anything, because git merge isn't perfect and I've had too many instances in the past where seemingly unrelated things break others and no merge confl | 19:34 |
| thomasem | recognize how little that probably applies to primarily RST files. | 19:34 |
| thomasem | AJaeger ^^ | 19:34 |
| thomasem | Habit from writing software for so long. :P | 19:35 |
| thomasem | Sorry if I made things difficult for you. I didn't realize. | 19:35 |
| thomasem | I will be more sensitive to that in the future. | 19:35 |
| AJaeger | thomasem: OpenStack CI rebases by default before doing anything - and checks that rebases are fine. | 19:36 |
| AJaeger | thomasem: sure, there're some corner cases... | 19:36 |
| thomasem | I know | 19:36 |
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| AJaeger | thomasem: in this case, no problem with diffing. But I've seen too many in project-config where a diff was not possible anymore due to a useless rebase | 19:37 |
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| thomasem | Wild. I'd be interested to see that scenario. Sounds odd. | 19:38 |
| thomasem | Some of it's really how much you trust your tests and such. I've just developed a habit after too many of those edge cases made it to production and broke things. :P | 19:39 |
| AJaeger | thomasem: don't have one handy right now | 19:39 |
| thomasem | s/made/making/ | 19:39 |
| thomasem | s/broke/breaking/ | 19:39 |
| thomasem | Gotcha. No worries. | 19:39 |
| AJaeger | thomasem: since we rebase before merging, then run tests and merge exactly that state, we don't have most of those problems you run into | 19:40 |
| AJaeger | most projects run test, and then merge including a rebase and that causes problems. | 19:40 |
| thomasem | Sure. All I'd do here is start pulling out philosophy because what you say sounds great, but in practice it's imperfect. | 19:41 |
| thomasem | Tests can be buggy too. | 19:41 |
| AJaeger | ;) | 19:41 |
| thomasem | I've seen too many situations where tests actually ran and passed, but the service couldn't start | 19:41 |
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| thomasem | But, again, that doesn't quite apply to a docs repo. :) | 19:42 |
| thomasem | Necessarily | 19:42 |
| AJaeger | I don't see how a rebase would have helped | 19:42 |
| AJaeger | Compared to the OpenStack CI approach | 19:42 |
| thomasem | I usually run the thing manually before submitting a patch | 19:42 |
| thomasem | Depends entirely on the fidelity of the tests and so on | 19:43 |
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| thomasem | You may think it seems crazy, and I don't mind that. But, that habit have saved production outages many, many times for me in my career. | 19:44 |
| thomasem | s/have/has/ | 19:45 |
| AJaeger | thomasem: I see where you come from. | 19:45 |
| AJaeger | Let's improve docs instead of arguing ;) As long as you don't send patches to ask for rebasing every change every time ;) | 19:46 |
| thomasem | I mean, I was about to rebase again. | 19:46 |
| * thomasem snickers | 19:46 | |
| AJaeger | ;) | 19:46 |
| thomasem | I'm kidding. | 19:46 |
| AJaeger | have a great weekend | 19:47 |
| thomasem | No worries. I appreciate your point of view on the matter. | 19:47 |
| thomasem | You as well! | 19:47 |
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