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| pkovar | Sam-I-Am: hi, got a Q about https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/installguide-mitaka | 16:38 |
| pkovar | are those your notes? | 16:38 |
| Sam-I-Am | pkovar: yes | 16:39 |
| pkovar | Sam-I-Am: i would like to help with updating rdo specific stuff in IG for mitaka | 16:40 |
| pkovar | not quire sure yet where to start though | 16:40 |
| pkovar | quite, rather | 16:40 |
| Sam-I-Am | follow the install guide in /draft using rdo mitaka packages... see what breaks. | 16:41 |
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| Sam-I-Am | so far keystone, glance, nova, and neutron are pretty much tested and just waiting to submit patches | 16:41 |
| Sam-I-Am | we need to test the dashboard, cinder, heat, swift, ceilometer, etc | 16:41 |
| Sam-I-Am | if you make openstack service config changes, they usually apply to all distros | 16:42 |
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| pkovar | i see, so i guess i can also go ahead and start submitting patches per https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/installguide-mitaka ? | 16:43 |
| pkovar | or is someone else working on those? | 16:43 |
| pkovar | don't want to duplicate efforts | 16:43 |
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| pkovar | Sam-I-Am: also, there will be an rdo test day soon meaning the IG might get some more attention from testers | 16:46 |
| Sam-I-Am | hopefully. most of the time they just test rdo/packstack and never touch the install guide. | 16:47 |
| pkovar | the ig specifically has been mentioned during the last rdo mtg | 16:47 |
| Sam-I-Am | thats a good sign | 16:51 |
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| AJaeger | sicarie: let's discuss the "endorsements" on the mailing list, please | 18:08 |
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| sicarie | AJaeger: ack, sending shortly | 18:20 |
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| AJaeger | sicarie: check the mail archive... | 18:47 |
| AJaeger | sicarie: my mailer is not running currently... | 18:48 |
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| rbradfor | loquacities, dhellmann suggested I ping you about two removal of deprecated configuration options in oslo.log happening (that's referenced across many projects docs). I raised bugs https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1546686 and https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+bug/1546693 but wanted to know if there is any assistance can be provided | 19:47 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1546686 in openstack-manuals "Removal of deprecated use_syslog_rfc_format configuration option" [Undecided,New] | 19:47 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1546693 in openstack-manuals "Removal of deprecated log_format configuration option" [Undecided,New] | 19:47 |
| annegentle | rbradfor: loquacities won't be online for another couple of hours, gpocentek may know more about potential impacts | 19:49 |
| rbradfor | annegentle, thanks, any feedback appreciated. | 19:50 |
| annegentle | rbradfor: since those .samples are generated, someone will have to re-run the scripts and patch | 19:51 |
| annegentle | rbradfor: if you're up for it, instructions are here: https://github.com/openstack/openstack-doc-tools/tree/master/autogenerate_config_docs | 19:53 |
| rbradfor | annegentle, so as I did deeper into what isn't a .sample I see a comment "autogenerate-config-doc tool from the openstack-doc-tools repository" I hope this will then pick up a lot of hits | 19:53 |
| annegentle | rbradfor: that's my current working theory :) | 19:54 |
| rbradfor | annegentle, well, one change has merged so there is no harm in me trying locally and validating success outcome. | 19:54 |
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| rbradfor | annegentle, before I go trekking, perhaps you or somebody has seen this error "error in setup command: Distribution contains no modules or packages for namespace package 'openstack'" | 20:18 |
| annegentle | rbradfor: hm, not familiar, sorry! | 20:18 |
| rbradfor | annegentle, from following said instructions. | 20:19 |
| annegentle | rbradfor: hm, was a fixed bug but? https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslo-incubator/+bug/1194742 | 20:21 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1194742 in PBR "oslo.config egg doesn't contain namespace_packages.txt" [Critical,Fix released] - Assigned to Monty Taylor (mordred) | 20:21 |
| rbradfor | that's 2 years old, I don't think applicable anymore | 20:21 |
| annegentle | rbradfor: yeah | 20:22 |
| rbradfor | as it's the first time I've run the command, perhaps you could suggest somebody that runs this regularly in the channel to offer input, or other suggestions? | 20:23 |
| annegentle | rbradfor: gpocentek, AJaeger, cberendt | 20:23 |
| annegentle | rbradfor: ventakamesh ran it last | 20:24 |
| AJaeger | annegentle, rbradfor it doesn't ring a bell, sorry ;( | 20:27 |
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| sicarie | AJaeger: sorry for the delay, no sign of that email in the archives - I think it got held in the moderation queue | 20:49 |
| AJaeger | sicarie: annegentle or loquacities might approe it at some time - but I suggest to to resend it now... | 20:51 |
| loquacities | AJaeger: sicarie here now, i'll check | 20:51 |
| loquacities | sicarie: this one? Referencing 3rd Party Projects | 20:52 |
| sicarie | Yes | 20:52 |
| loquacities | ok, approving | 20:52 |
| sicarie | Thanks! | 20:52 |
| loquacities | np | 20:53 |
| AJaeger | morning, loquacities ! | 20:57 |
| loquacities | how are you, AJaeger? | 20:57 |
| AJaeger | tired ;) Calling it a day in a few minutes ... | 20:59 |
| AJaeger | otherwise fine, thanks | 20:59 |
| loquacities | yeah, it's getting late for you | 20:59 |
| AJaeger | how's life down-under? | 20:59 |
| loquacities | hot and humid | 21:00 |
| AJaeger | hot? It's just above freezing here and not nice either ;( | 21:01 |
| loquacities | heh, it's that time of year | 21:01 |
| loquacities | it's ok, we'll start to cool down soon, and you'll start to warm up ;) | 21:02 |
| loquacities | i always say that ten months of the year, living here is amazing | 21:02 |
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| loquacities | jan/feb is just hot and disgusting, though | 21:02 |
| loquacities | we only have two seasons here: hot, and *freaking* hot | 21:02 |
| AJaeger | yeah, looking forward to spring... | 21:03 |
| loquacities | :) | 21:03 |
| AJaeger | only two months? That's not too bad :) | 21:04 |
| loquacities | yeah, it's easy to feel smug when it's *not* february ;) | 21:04 |
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| AJaeger | and february is soon over... | 21:05 |
| AJaeger | and I'm over my cold now as well ;) | 21:06 |
| AJaeger | have to leave now, have a great and not too freaking hot day, loquacities ! | 21:06 |
| * AJaeger waves good-bye | 21:06 | |
| loquacities | cya AJaeger ... rug up! | 21:07 |
| loquacities | o/ | 21:07 |
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| gpocentek | rbradfor: I have a workaround for the problem you've seen, it's a surprising behavior with oslo-incubator | 21:42 |
| gpocentek | rbradfor: the workaround is to not use oslo-incubator :) | 21:42 |
| rbradfor | gpocentek, shoot. | 21:42 |
| rbradfor | gpocentek, this openstack-doc-tools process, this is the current process for rst right? | 21:43 |
| gpocentek | we used to explpicitely install it, but it's no longer necessary | 21:43 |
| gpocentek | rbradfor: it is, yes | 21:43 |
| gpocentek | rbradfor: running the script for all the projects is on my TODO list | 21:44 |
| gpocentek | it should pick the oslo.log changes | 21:44 |
| rbradfor | gpocentek, I was only testing it for one, glance just to try it out | 21:44 |
| gpocentek | I think I have patches to make the script work again somewhere, but I couldn't find time to push them | 21:45 |
| rbradfor | gpocentek, are you saying that editing flagmappings file is not a manual process anymore? | 21:45 |
| gpocentek | it is partially automated | 21:46 |
| gpocentek | but we still need to categorize the options for our docs | 21:46 |
| gpocentek | rbradfor: BTW I have a question about oslo_config.generator | 21:47 |
| gpocentek | (following a discution with rockyg at the ops summit) | 21:47 |
| gpocentek | rbradfor: would it make sense to make the _list_opts() method "public"? | 21:48 |
| rbradfor | well, it's an entry point, so while I'm not certain of the definition of "public" it is accessible to oslo-config-generator | 21:48 |
| rbradfor | some projects also use other names then just_list_opts9) | 21:49 |
| gpocentek | hum, maybe I missed something | 21:49 |
| gpocentek | right now we're reinventing the wheel and doing ugly things in our script | 21:50 |
| rbradfor | gpocentek, what did you want to do. I've been doing some work in generating docs more easily, applicable to the config guide for example, http://docs.openstack.org/developer/glance/opts.html was a first stab | 21:50 |
| gpocentek | rbradfor: the thing is we do a bit more work that just listing all the options | 21:51 |
| gpocentek | and have a different output | 21:51 |
| rbradfor | There are several Sphinx directives to help, and one could in theory generate others to produce different formatting styles | 21:51 |
| rbradfor | different output is likely to be easy. | 21:51 |
| rbradfor | it's if you want to merge additional content that is where I think you are going | 21:52 |
| gpocentek | we also still need some kind of categorization (our courrent flagmappings) | 21:52 |
| rbradfor | ok, so that helps me understand that flagmappings more. | 21:52 |
| rbradfor | question is how hard is it to have that mapping data put into the code once, and then let generation do it's work | 21:53 |
| rbradfor | Is it "a configuration option has one and only one category" or are there exceptions. | 21:53 |
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| gpocentek | 1 option can have multiple categories | 21:54 |
| rbradfor | and who defines the list of categories? | 21:54 |
| gpocentek | I would love to have this in the code to be honnest | 21:54 |
| gpocentek | the doc team does at the moment | 21:54 |
| gpocentek | this helps us generate tables that we include in our docs | 21:55 |
| rbradfor | well, the job of putting it in the code is just work (it may be a little, or a lot, it's likely easy so you try to enlist more junior resources) | 21:56 |
| gpocentek | I'd love to see the categorization happen in the code, but I'm not sure how to handle this | 21:56 |
| rbradfor | now what to put in the code, and who manages the meta data is where all the time will be taken to decide | 21:56 |
| gpocentek | exactly my thoughts :) | 21:56 |
| rbradfor | well, lets do an example. | 21:56 |
| openstackgerrit | Zhang Xiaowei proposed openstack/api-site: Optimized getting_started.rb to perfect Ruby style. https://review.openstack.org/281975 | 21:56 |
| rbradfor | gpocentek, I'm looking at this now $ vi tools/autogenerate-config-flagmappings/glance.flagmapping | 21:57 |
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| gpocentek | ok | 21:57 |
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| rbradfor | gpocentek, if category is second column, here is a summary https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/B10bXvC010 | 21:58 |
| rbradfor | gpocentek, and if we take one I want to remove log_format, that belongs to logging | 21:59 |
| rbradfor | gpocentek, we don't have in your file, the namespace this comes from (that is olso.log) | 22:00 |
| rbradfor | it's list_opts is http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/oslo.log/tree/oslo_log/_options.py#n160 | 22:00 |
| gpocentek | indeed | 22:00 |
| rbradfor | which inturn is defined like http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/oslo.log/tree/oslo_log/_options.py#n65 (it's been removed so this is a similar option) | 22:00 |
| rbradfor | at this point in the Opt definition, we have things like name(dest), default,help etc. | 22:01 |
| rbradfor | are you seeking just a doc_category for example | 22:01 |
| gpocentek | that could be it | 22:01 |
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| gpocentek | or doc_categories if we want to keep the multiple categories | 22:02 |
| rbradfor | gpocentek, well, lets discuss more about puts a spec forward. | 22:02 |
| rbradfor | right you mentioned categories, are you able to give me an example? | 22:02 |
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| gpocentek | rbradfor: my first question would be: "do we (doc team) really need the categories, as they exist now" | 22:02 |
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| rbradfor | because if we generate data say be category order, then the option would be duplicated. | 22:03 |
| rbradfor | gpocentek, how do you use the categories now. | 22:03 |
| gpocentek | rbradfor: multiple options example: AGENT/quitting_rpc_timeout in tools/autogenerate-config-flagmappings/neutron.flagmappings | 22:03 |
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| gpocentek | rbradfor: right now the categories let us split the options in multiple tables | 22:04 |
| gpocentek | each table contains options related to a single topic | 22:04 |
| rbradfor | ok, I see these multiple categories | 22:04 |
| gpocentek | let me give you a link | 22:04 |
| rbradfor | a link to a physical doc would be great. | 22:04 |
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| gpocentek | rbradfor: http://docs.openstack.org/draft/config-reference/block-storage/volume-drivers.html << the cinder drivers are a good example | 22:05 |
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| gpocentek | each driver can provide a table with its specific options in its documentation | 22:05 |
| gpocentek | rbradfor: http://docs.openstack.org/draft/config-reference/block-storage/drivers/dothill-driver.html << end of page | 22:06 |
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| rbradfor | gpocentek, ok, so lets take your second example (smaller) | 22:08 |
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| rbradfor | you effectively generate that by the "category" which is "dothill" and then all the options that match that category. | 22:10 |
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| gpocentek | yes | 22:10 |
| rbradfor | you then have a format for that table, option = [default] | (type) description | 22:10 |
| rbradfor | and not here, but these options belong to a namespace (i.e. cinder) | 22:11 |
| gpocentek | the namespace is not displayed, but yes, it exists (actually the rst filename is cinder-dothill.rst) | 22:11 |
| rbradfor | so, in theory, if there were a doc_categories for the Opts | 22:11 |
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| rbradfor | I could see that a Sphinx directive (some examples at http://docs.openstack.org/developer/oslo.config/sphinxext.html) | 22:12 |
| gpocentek | hum | 22:12 |
| openstackgerrit | Caleb Boylan proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Update command for uploading a raw image https://review.openstack.org/282078 | 22:12 |
| rbradfor | could both get a subset of options in a namespace (or namespaces) matching a category (or categories) | 22:13 |
| rbradfor | that directive could also format it in the table format mentioned. | 22:13 |
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| gpocentek | the problem I see with a sphinx directive is that we might need to install all the projects and dependencies for each doc build, am I right? | 22:13 |
| gpocentek | we try to keep the build time short | 22:14 |
| rbradfor | yeah, exactly. I work with a project and can generate docs | 22:14 |
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| rbradfor | but http://docs.openstack.org/developer/glance/opts.html for example (glance) pulls in about 8 other namespaces | 22:14 |
| rbradfor | libraries used relating to glance | 22:15 |
| rbradfor | your documentation however is all projects | 22:15 |
| gpocentek | it might not be a problem on the OS infra, but locally it would be painful | 22:15 |
| rbradfor | painful as in keeping up to date, or time it takes to generate? | 22:15 |
| gpocentek | that's one of the reason why we generate files | 22:16 |
| gpocentek | time it takes to generate | 22:16 |
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| rbradfor | I would need to know more about the commands you run. | 22:16 |
| rbradfor | excluding the checkout of code (I keep a copy of all projects, and it automatically updates at night 1am. takes only 30 minutes) | 22:17 |
| gpocentek | the autohelp-wrapper does a few things: | 22:17 |
| gpocentek | git checkout <project> | 22:17 |
| gpocentek | virtualenv venvs/project | 22:17 |
| gpocentek | pip install -rrequirements.txt -rtest-requirements.txt | 22:18 |
| gpocentek | wait wait wait | 22:18 |
| gpocentek | python autohelp.py << does the config opt parsing | 22:18 |
| gpocentek | (you don't want to know how ;) | 22:18 |
| gpocentek | running autohelp.py is very fast compared to the time needed to set everything up | 22:19 |
| rbradfor | ok, so we can speed up the first 3 steps then it would perhaps be satisfactory | 22:19 |
| rbradfor | like I said, the checkout (once you have seeded it once), takes 30 mins overnight. | 22:20 |
| gpocentek | rbradfor: the thing is we don't have only one doc in our repository, and everything is build every time | 22:21 |
| rbradfor | the install of requirements, once done once, is likely (not an expert here) to be quick each night, as requirements change infrequently. There are newer versions, so perhaps one has to remove them to always get the current version, there maybe some way to update when applicable | 22:21 |
| rbradfor | gpocentek, I think this is a bigger discussion as I profess to know nothing about how you generate docs. | 22:22 |
| gpocentek | rbradfor: you can't expect the docs folk to run cron jobs on their machines every night to git pull everything | 22:22 |
| rbradfor | however I'm sure programmatically there are ways to optimize it. it just needs to be worked through | 22:22 |
| rbradfor | gpocentek, one can automate that to almost you doing nothing at all. | 22:23 |
| gpocentek | I'm all for automation :) | 22:23 |
| rbradfor | gpocentek, now docs people are probably windows/mac people so this would likely have to be always in VM's (your commands are Linux only) | 22:23 |
| rbradfor | do people virtualbox? | 22:24 |
| gpocentek | I'm not sure this is something widely used by tech writer | 22:24 |
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| gpocentek | to me generating files with external tools and importing them in os-maanuals would probably avoid a lot a complexities (both human and technical) on the docs side | 22:26 |
| rbradfor | gpocentek, again one would need to understand more the level of work a human does, e.g. is it just in some sort of editor, a git commit, and somewhere docs are generated? | 22:26 |
| rbradfor | where can automation help, were is work done before -infra that can benefit you? | 22:27 |
| gpocentek | rbradfor: local checks are done too, using tox | 22:27 |
| gpocentek | our tox jobs check the build and validates the syntax | 22:28 |
| gpocentek | I think most the docs contributors run this tests to check/read the actual output before sending the code for review | 22:28 |
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| rbradfor | gpocentek, it may be good in a week or two (after freeze of oslo for Mitaka) to see you run through via screenshare, just so I can experience what you do, and hopefully know enough to share with more technical people and create a plan to make it more seemless | 22:29 |
| gpocentek | rbradfor: I'd be happy to | 22:29 |
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| gpocentek | this autohelp scripts is great because it does the job, but most of what it does exist in oslo | 22:30 |
| * rbradfor looks at autohelp.py, sees it does a lot of what both the sphinx extensions do, and what I see you add | 22:30 | |
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| rbradfor | exactly, we said the same thing at the same time | 22:31 |
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| gpocentek | rbradfor: let me know if I can do something from here | 22:32 |
| rbradfor | gpocentek, this may sound a little crazy, but just as developer docs are generated during merges, it's a shame there isn't a way to generate smaller "segments" of docs that you then just include, rather then have to generate each time. e.g. that dothill table you referred to | 22:32 |
| gpocentek | rbradfor: that me be a very good solution actually | 22:33 |
| rbradfor | gpocentek, well I'm out of time, have to be somewhere in an hour, but lets talk more. I'm in ET, what your TZ? | 22:33 |
| gpocentek | rbradfor: I'm in France UTC+1 | 22:33 |
| rbradfor | gpocentek, ok, so for you its much later, easy then for us to have an overlap | 22:33 |
| gpocentek | I should probably be sleeping right now ;) | 22:33 |
| rbradfor | gpocentek, +1 for you! | 22:34 |
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| gpocentek | rbradfor: thank you for the chat, I'm sure we'll end up with a nice solution! | 22:34 |
| gpocentek | rbradfor: and I'll try to deal with the removed oslo.log options tomorrow | 22:35 |
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