Tuesday, 2015-10-13

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openstackgerritAnne Gentle proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Redirect API Quick Start now that it is RST-built  https://review.openstack.org/23219000:33
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openstackgerritAnne Gentle proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Redirect API Quick Start now that it is RST-built  https://review.openstack.org/23219000:39
openstackgerritMerged openstack/openstack-doc-tools: diff_branches: Add support for manila  https://review.openstack.org/23376800:42
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/openstack-manuals: Add 'Shared File Systems' to Cloud Admin Guide  https://review.openstack.org/22687800:44
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/openstack-manuals: [Contributor Guide] Tools and content overview  https://review.openstack.org/23318300:57
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openstackgerritNimish proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Bug fix for the openstack document "http://docs.openstack.org/draft/install-guide-rdo/neutron-controller-install-option2.html" under "configure the Linux bridge agent" from 'linuxbridge_agent.conf' to 'linuxbridge_agent.ini' # referenec: " https://github.  https://review.openstack.org/23388100:59
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openstackgerritliusheng proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Correct the conversion expression of unit_conversion transformer  https://review.openstack.org/23389501:33
openstackgerritBrian Moss proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Correct filename for linuxbridge_agent.ini  https://review.openstack.org/23389601:33
openstackgerritLauren proposed openstack/ha-guide: Commit a6b516ae73d6671894a5cd3246e5db026b0e6505 Author: Laucon Date: Mon Oct 12  https://review.openstack.org/23389701:43
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openstackgerritKalyani Shinde proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Added link for Grub configuration  https://review.openstack.org/23389801:50
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/openstack-manuals: Correct filename for linuxbridge_agent.ini  https://review.openstack.org/23389602:16
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LauconHey. Alex? It's Lauren02:21
Sam-I-Amasettle: ^02:22
Lauconyes. is she on here?02:22
asettleLaucon, please come to the openstack-opw channel02:22
LauconI will. one sec02:22
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openstackgerritLauren proposed openstack/ha-guide: Update "Chapter 1. Introduction to OpenStack High Availability in OpenStack High Availability Guide" to include HA concepts in context of OpenStack  https://review.openstack.org/23391602:45
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openstackgerritLujin Luo proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Delete the log file locations of dnsmasq in Networking Guide  https://review.openstack.org/23299202:56
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openstackgerritLujin Luo proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Delete the log file locations of dnsmasq in Networking Guide  https://review.openstack.org/23299203:01
openstackgerritLauren proposed openstack/ha-guide: Update "Chapter 1. Introduction to OpenStack High Availability in OpenStack High Availability Guide" to include HA concepts in context of OpenStack  https://review.openstack.org/23391903:07
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openstackgerritAlexandra Settle proposed openstack/ha-guide: Update to include HA concepts in context of OpenStack  https://review.openstack.org/23391903:18
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openstackgerritDaisuke Fujita proposed openstack/api-site: Fix a wrong id  https://review.openstack.org/23392804:18
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openstackgerritBrian Moss proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Fix openstack-dashboard/local_settings file name  https://review.openstack.org/23394105:09
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/openstack-manuals: The "ALLOWED_HOSTS" configure error in local_settings file.  https://review.openstack.org/23353305:32
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/openstack-manuals: Generate manila changes file  https://review.openstack.org/23376705:42
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/openstack-manuals: [install] Liberty updates for cinder  https://review.openstack.org/23374205:47
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/openstack-manuals: Fix openstack-dashboard/local_settings file name  https://review.openstack.org/23394105:51
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openstackgerritRuchi Parmar proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: VMware docs: one VC cluster mapped to single nova-compute  https://review.openstack.org/23394705:52
openstackgerritSyed Ahsan Shamim Zaidi proposed openstack/openstack-doc-tools: Change in openstack command-line interface in openstack-doc-tools keystone warning message  https://review.openstack.org/23394805:53
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openstackgerritKalyani Shinde proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Added a link with the required changes  https://review.openstack.org/23395105:59
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/ha-guide: Use doc-tools-build-rst  https://review.openstack.org/23248106:04
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loquacitiesAJaeger: good morning :)06:07
AJaegergood evening, loquacities06:08
loquacitiesare you ready to hit some buttons? ;)06:08
AJaegerhit the first ones already ;) WIP removed from openstackdocstheme06:08
loquacitiessaw that06:08
loquacitiesi'm a little concerned about the install guide06:09
AJaegerberendt and fifield did a great job in preparation for Thursday on content!06:09
loquacitiesyes, they did!06:09
loquacitiesi just went through all the patches in the etherpad, and it's looking pretty good06:09
AJaegerI'm glad that berendt volunteered some more testing...06:09
openstackgerritTom Fifield proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Liberty Release note/link updates for all guides  https://review.openstack.org/23353606:09
AJaegerInstall Guide was always a last minute change - and some fixes afterwards.06:10
loquacitiesyeah06:10
loquacitiesdo you think we should go ahead and publish that, or hold off a bit?06:10
loquacitiesi know we can't publish debian, which is fine06:10
loquacitiesseems as though fedora might not be up to scratch yet, though06:10
AJaegerLet me read my emails - and close the window. It's just +3 Celsius here and getting cold ;)06:10
loquacitiesooh, cold!06:11
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AJaegerLet me at least remove Debian from publishing to liberty...06:12
loquacitiesok, thanks06:12
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openstackgerritAndreas Jaeger proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Do not publish Debian Install Guide for Liberty  https://review.openstack.org/23397306:13
AJaegerFor the other guides: Let's wait for the team... Sam-I-Am did his usual great job for sure but there will be errors coming up. If we cannot fix the Fedora ones, we have to take it down...06:15
loquacitiesyep, sure06:16
loquacitiesbmoss: you've done a bunch of fedora testing, how confident are you?06:16
openstackgerritMerged openstack/openstack-manuals: Delete the log file locations of dnsmasq in Networking Guide  https://review.openstack.org/23299206:17
bmossloquacities, one sec. Reading backwards.06:17
loquacitiesk06:17
bmossloquacities, I'm not overly confident. The major problem at the moment is that we don't really have a proper repo to test Fedora from.06:18
bmossI've been using delorean, but Sam-I-Am thinks it has mitaka stuff in it.06:19
bmossloquacities, for what it's worth, I've gotten through everything up to and including installing horizon.06:20
bmossat the moment though I'm having trouble getting an instance to launch06:20
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AJaegerloquacities: I might have put it there myself for each RST conversion - to make it so ugly that people are sure to notice and remember that the guide is not ready ;)06:30
loquacitieshaha, reverse psychology!06:30
loquacitiesi like it!06:30
bmosslol06:30
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openstackgerritOpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/api-site: Imported Translations from Zanata  https://review.openstack.org/23398206:31
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AJaegerloquacities: do you want to +2 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/233973/ ?06:32
loquacitiessure06:32
AJaegerThat'S the Debian Liberty publishing06:33
loquacitiesyep, seems sane06:33
AJaegerthanks, loquacities06:34
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openstackgerritOpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Imported Translations from Zanata  https://review.openstack.org/23398606:38
openstackgerritMerged openstack/ha-guide: Update for openstackdocstheme 1.2.3  https://review.openstack.org/23162606:39
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AJaegerloquacities: Regarding SUSE testing: dguitarbite tested last week on both openSUSE and SLES and just redid testing yesterday...06:41
loquacitiesyeah, Sam-I-Am had some concerns, i think?06:42
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loquacitiesand i don't think dguitarbite has replied on the ML yet06:42
loquacitiesi'm waiting for that at this point06:43
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AJaegerI just replied - I talked with dguitarbite yesterday.06:44
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loquacitiesah ha06:44
loquacitiesok, if dguitarbite is ok, then i say roll with it06:45
AJaegerMight be that dguitarbite did not put up notes for each problem he enountered but he updated wiki and patches at the same time, everything on the 5th.06:45
AJaegerThere's one patch where we do not know whether it's SUSE specific or not in his last update - so  I suggested to split the questionable part out to get this separated.06:45
loquacitiesyep, ok, that's cool06:45
AJaegerAnd that split out is the only thing that came yesterday...06:45
loquacitiesright06:46
AJaegerwow, translation import: 7400 lines plus (and 4150 removed) - most as source from the Manila changes06:47
loquacitieswhoa06:47
AJaegerThe Japanese team is on the finishing line for Install Guide!06:47
loquacitiesthey've been a powerhouse this release06:47
openstackgerritMerged openstack/ha-guide: Remove Icehouse from intro  https://review.openstack.org/23364106:48
AJaegerThe Japanese translators has the largest momentum06:48
loquacitiesyeah, there's a couple of companies involved there, i believe, so that's helping06:49
AJaegerbmoss, loquacities : IMO there's no need for bug reports like https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1505459 if the reporter wants to fix it directly.06:50
openstackLaunchpad bug 1505459 in openstack-manuals "Missing word in Prerequisites compute node networking installation" [Low,Triaged] - Assigned to Brian Moss (bmoss)06:50
AJaegerI'm happy to approve such changes without a bug report...06:51
loquacitiesyeah, we wanted to hold it over06:51
loquacitiesi'm normally happy to as well, but there's two things happening there06:51
bmossagreed06:51
loquacities1: we need low hanging fruit for the influx of newbies (upstream uni + outreachy)06:51
loquacitiesand 2: we want to hold off on non-essential stuff for the moment06:51
AJaegerthan it shouldn't be assigned to expert bmoss ;)06:51
bmosslol06:51
loquacitieshaha, true06:52
bmossI'm just holding on to them so the interns don't get excited and try to fix them before release06:52
loquacitieswe have a couple of rogue interns running around :P06:52
AJaegerah, ok - thanks for the explanation...06:52
AJaegerand I have the feeling that I get stalked - there's one guy that regularly +1s after I +2A ;)06:52
AJaegerNot sure what the reason for that one is...06:53
loquacitieslol!06:53
AJaeger(besides statistics)06:53
loquacitiesmaybe to make sure he's actually correct in his +1 ;)06:53
openstackgerritBrian Moss proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Update Install Guide status warning  https://review.openstack.org/23399006:53
loquacitieswouldn't want to +1 when someone else -1s :P06:53
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AJaegerthanks for teh explanation. bmoss, thanks for all these low hanging fruit!06:54
openstackgerritMerged openstack/openstack-manuals: VMware docs: one VC cluster mapped to single nova-compute  https://review.openstack.org/23394706:54
openstackgerritMerged openstack/api-site: Imported Translations from Zanata  https://review.openstack.org/23398206:54
loquacitiesbmoss: sorry to be that guy06:54
loquacitiesis it worth saying something like "Pre-release packages have been used for testing, and some instructions might not work with final versions" something something?06:55
bmossloquacities, definitely. I went for the simplest form, and figured we could work it up from there.06:55
loquacitiesyeah, i'm just feeling like maybe we need to explain *why* you need to be careful06:56
loquacitieswell, why it might matter to people, anyway06:56
bmosssure thing. New patch incoming06:57
AJaegerwhat about asking for feedback? "Please do report any errors and help us make the guide perfect" ?06:57
loquacitiesoh, +106:57
loquacitiesi like that idea :)06:57
bmossAJaeger, good idea.06:57
loquacitiesmaybe not 'perfect' though ;)06:57
loquacitiesthat's unlikely to ever happen :P06:57
bmossreach for the stars loquacities06:58
loquacitieshaha06:58
loquacitiesopen source has long since beaten that out of me, i think :P06:58
loquacitiesi used to be one of those people who edited things hundreds of times until they were perfect06:58
loquacitiesand then get upset when anyone changed anything :P06:59
bmossopensource is anathema to perfection06:59
loquacitiesit's true06:59
bmossbut its still way ahead of proprietary!06:59
loquacitiesi think i need that on a tshirt06:59
AJaeger;)06:59
bmoss*it's07:00
AJaegerloquacities: Together with a subtitle "I'm part of the nit-picking doc team"? ;)07:00
bmosslol07:00
loquacitiesAJaeger: +107:00
loquacitiesi'd wear it to summit07:00
loquacitiesthe  day after i wear my "i'm the documentation fairy" shirt07:00
AJaegerLol07:00
openstackgerritBrian Moss proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Update Install Guide status warning  https://review.openstack.org/23399007:05
bmosstry that patch on for size ;)07:06
loquacitieslooks good to me :)07:07
loquacitieshrm, gerrit is running slow for me07:08
loquacitieseveryone in europe waking up and doing liberty things :P07:08
loquacitiesUS should still be asleep for another few hours07:09
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AJaegerthanks, bmoss !07:11
AJaegeryes, gerrit is slow...07:11
bmossthanks AJaeger loquacities07:12
loquacitiesnp07:12
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openstackgerrityapeng Yang proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Modify a small bug about the RBD of Ceph  https://review.openstack.org/23400307:19
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openstackgerritLujin Luo proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Fixed grammar mistakes in Cloud Administrator Guide  https://review.openstack.org/23400507:21
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/openstack-manuals: Imported Translations from Zanata  https://review.openstack.org/23398607:25
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openstackgerritOpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/api-site: Updated from openstack-manuals  https://review.openstack.org/23400707:29
openstackgerritOpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/operations-guide: Updated from openstack-manuals  https://review.openstack.org/23400807:29
openstackgerritOpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/security-doc: Updated from openstack-manuals  https://review.openstack.org/23400907:29
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loquacitiesAJaeger: i'm disappearing to have dinner (i have an awesome housemate who has cooked for me!), i'll be back in an hour or so07:44
AJaegerloquacities: enjoy!07:44
loquacitiesthanks :)07:44
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openstackgerritAtsushi SAKAI proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Update Config reference for neutron  https://review.openstack.org/22011808:04
openstackgerritAllen proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Fix small bugs in 'dashboard_manage_images.rst'  https://review.openstack.org/23331608:07
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openstackgerritPranav Salunke proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: install: Liberty updates for obs (*suse/SLES)  https://review.openstack.org/23097409:09
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mhickeyGood morning! :)09:14
mhickeyCould anyone explain what this doc is: http://docs.openstack.org/draft/install-guide-obs/neutron-initial-networks.html ?09:15
loquacitiesmhickey: what do you need to know?>09:16
loquacitiesit's the draft install guide09:16
mhickeyloquacities: Is it the draft for Liberty?09:17
AJaegermhickey: yes, it is09:17
loquacitiesyes09:17
loquacitiesheh, snap :)09:18
AJaegermhickey: why do you ask?09:18
mhickeyAJaeger, loquacities: Great timing!:) thanks.09:18
mhickeyI am asking because I am working on a defect and need to rewrite a sentence in this page. I have downloaded the doc but unable to find this sentence in the download.09:19
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mhickeydownload openstack-manuals.git from git09:20
AJaegermhickey: which sentence?09:21
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mhickeyYou should disable DHCP on this subnet because instances do not connect directly to the external network and floating IP addresses require manual assignment.09:21
mhickeydidn't find it in the git clone09:22
openstackgerritPranav Salunke proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: install: Liberty updates for obs (*suse/SLES)  https://review.openstack.org/23097409:23
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openstackgerritPranav Salunke proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: install: Liberty updates for obs (*suse/SLES)  https://review.openstack.org/23097409:26
AJaegermhickey: that page is old, we renamed it. The content has indeed changed significantly09:27
AJaegermhickey: go from http://docs.openstack.org/draft/install-guide-obs/neutron.html and you won't reach that page anymore.09:27
AJaegermhickey: mark the bug as resolved fixed and say it was fixed as part of another change09:28
mhickeyAJaeger: ok, great stuff.09:28
mhickeyAJaeger: Actually it is still a bug as its an old bug and needs a sentence added.09:28
mhickeyAJaeger: The fix I was going to do was updated that sentence. I need now to add a sentence to explain.09:29
AJaegermhickey: figure out which change renamed the file and go from there ;)09:30
AJaegermhickey: change id of change is Ie3ab9a15ebfe82c0ce54f709c87a66d7cc46db3f09:30
mhickeyAJaeger: Sure; let me take a look and I might come back with some questions if thats ok.09:30
AJaegeror run "git show 374a38f49aef5f854794c45737f32fefc3f442d1" to look at it09:30
openstackgerritStanislaw Szydlo proposed openstack/api-site: [firstapp] add samples for section1 using python-openstacksdk  https://review.openstack.org/18087709:31
AJaegermhickey: it's ok to come back but I might not be around ;) HOpe somebody else will help09:31
mhickeyAJaeger: thats ok. thanks for the help! :)09:31
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openstackgerritDaisuke Fujita proposed openstack/api-site: Fix a wrong id  https://review.openstack.org/23392809:36
mhickeyAJaeger: one last thing. what is the url for the draft networking guide?09:36
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mhickeyAJaeger: is it http://docs.openstack.org/networking-guide?09:42
openstackgerritOlga Gusarenko proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: [Contributor Guide] RST section finished  https://review.openstack.org/23296609:44
openstackgerritGhanshyam Mann proposed openstack/api-site: Fix response of Compute Virtual Interface API  https://review.openstack.org/23407209:50
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/api-site: Updated from openstack-manuals  https://review.openstack.org/23400709:54
AJaegermhickey: there's no draft networking guide, we publish directly to the URL you give...09:54
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openstackgerritStanislaw Szydlo proposed openstack/api-site: [firstapp] add samples for section1 using python-openstacksdk  https://review.openstack.org/18087709:57
loquacitiesmhickey: install guide is special, most of the other guides are continuously released09:58
openstackgerritAndreas Jaeger proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: install: Liberty updates for obs (*suse/SLES)  https://review.openstack.org/23097409:58
mhickeyAJaeger, loquacities: great, thanks! :)09:59
openstackgerritIevgeniia Zadorozhna proposed openstack/security-doc: WIP: Added Security Guide for the Shared File Systems service  https://review.openstack.org/23154609:59
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loquacitiesAJaeger: anything you need from me at this point?10:14
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AJaegerloquacities: I'm fine - thanks for asking! HAve a good night!10:14
loquacitiesi think we're just waiting on getting those liberty-release-day patches now?10:14
AJaegerloquacities: yes, basically. berendt can redo his liberty/index.html patch and we can merge that one on its own but otherwise, it's waiting ;)10:16
loquacitiesok10:16
AJaegerloquacities: we can also take other patches in that are in the queue, I just wouldn't take "cleanup" ones.10:17
loquacitiesoh, i wanted to double check the filenames to the install guide in that patch10:17
berendtredo liberty/index.html?10:17
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AJaegeroh, we woken him up ;)10:17
loquacitiesyeah, that's fine, hold off on any non-essential patches10:17
loquacitieslol10:18
AJaegerberendt: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/233553/10:18
AJaegerberendt: fix https://review.openstack.org/#/c/233553/6/www/www-index.html and we can merge it...10:18
AJaegerand remove Debian from the index page, please10:18
openstackgerritChristian Berendt proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: [www] add index page for Liberty release  https://review.openstack.org/23355310:20
loquacitiesand we need the americans to sign off on those other install guide patches when they wake up10:20
loquacitieswhich won't be for another few hours yet10:20
loquacitiesi met send karin a note so she sees it10:20
loquacitiesi might*10:20
openstackgerritChristian Berendt proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: [www] update the front page for Liberty  https://review.openstack.org/23358310:21
berendtI will have a look on the install guide patches10:21
berendtany other open tasks?10:21
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loquacitiesi think we can probably remove WIP on all these now: https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/openstack-manuals+branch:master+topic:liberty-release-day,n,z10:23
loquacitiesberendt: correct me if i'm wrong, but didn't we change the URLs to the install guides?10:25
berendtloquacities: let me check this10:25
loquacitiesthanks10:25
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openstackgerritOlga Gusarenko proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: [Contributor Guide] RST section finished  https://review.openstack.org/23296610:26
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berendtloquacities: it is http://docs.openstack.org/draft/install-guide-ubuntu/, i guess the new url is http://docs.openstack.org/liberty/install-guide-ubuntu/10:28
openstackgerritChristian Berendt proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: [www] add index page for Liberty release  https://review.openstack.org/23355310:28
loquacitiesberendt: that seems right10:28
openstackgerritChristian Berendt proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: [www] update the front page for Liberty  https://review.openstack.org/23358310:29
berendtloquacities: fixed10:29
loquacitieslovely10:30
loquacitiesthank you :)10:30
openstackgerritChristian Berendt proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: [www] update dropdown menu for Liberty  https://review.openstack.org/23358210:31
openstackgerritAtsushi SAKAI proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Update Config reference for neutron  https://review.openstack.org/22011810:37
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openstackgerritNimish proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: The docs say to run "su -s /bin/sh -c "keystone-manage db_sync" keystone" however there is no output, if you omit the su -s it returns the correct output and commands run correctly(verified by running the updated command. Closes-Bug: #1505466  https://review.openstack.org/23412010:38
openstackbug 1505466 in openstack-manuals "Wrong command: Install and configure in OpenStack Installation Guide for Ubuntu 14.04 - juno" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1505466 - Assigned to Nimish Joshi (jnimish77)10:38
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berendtloquacities: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/233582/10:42
berendtloquacities: i blocked this, i think we have to merge it on thursday, not today10:42
loquacitieserrr ... are you sure?10:43
loquacitiesAJaeger ^^ ?10:43
berendtit says liberty is the current release, this is wrong at the moment10:43
loquacitiesyeah, but my understanding was that we were going earlier10:43
openstackgerritPranav Salunke proposed openstack/training-labs: Update preseed/ks files to point to training-labs.  https://review.openstack.org/23412210:45
berendtwe can merge https://review.openstack.org/233553  now10:46
AJaegerloquacities: yes, berendt is right10:47
loquacitiesah, ok10:47
loquacitiesi'm confused what's happening today, then10:47
loquacitieswhat needs to happen today?10:47
AJaegeronly preparation but not changes to the front page ;)10:47
loquacitiesright, ok10:47
AJaegerhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/233553/ is a preparation. It adds index/liberty but does not make it available10:48
AJaegerso, no links to it.10:48
loquacitiesright, that was my next question :)10:48
loquacities*sigh*10:48
loquacitiesi'll get better at this, i promise!10:48
AJaegerloquacities: we're always changing and improving ;)10:49
berendtloquacities: don't worry, release time is always a chaos10:49
loquacitiesheh, i'm just trying to keep it all straight in my head at this point ... so many moving parts!10:49
AJaegerloquacities: we use the Topic "liberty-release-day" for any change that should go in on Thursday.10:49
AJaegerSo, before you +A, check the topic  ;) And if you think it'S wrong, please mention it...10:50
loquacitiesok, i thought that was stuff for today, not thursday10:50
loquacitiesmy bad10:50
AJaegerloquacities: docs.openstack.org/index.html points to kilo and we want to not mention Liberty yet10:51
berendtloquacities: can you remove your +A from https://review.openstack.org/#/c/233582/? than I can remove my -210:51
AJaegerSo, we add Liberty in the background to check that everything is working as designed - once 233553 is in, you can check all links and review the content easier...10:51
loquacitiesdone10:51
loquacitiesyep, ok, that makes sense10:51
loquacitiesso, on a technical point: the index.html page, has that been copied from the kilo one?10:52
loquacitiesi assume you don't write it from scratch every time10:52
AJaegerWe have on individual pages already Liberty, just the "portal" is different and waiting for the big unveiling. We wait on invidvidual pages if possible as well..10:52
AJaegerloquacities: don't underestimate berendt ;)10:52
loquacitieslol10:53
loquacitiesso we don't just edit the old one?10:53
loquacitiesis that so we can put it up in the background?10:53
AJaegerwe have liberty/index and index pages - we add first liberty/index and then copy content over to index. That way we have kilo/index, juno/index, and liberty/index...10:54
loquacitiesah ha, that makes sense10:54
loquacitiesok, i'm happy with 233553, ok to +2A?10:54
AJaegerOnce we retire liberty (or now Kilo), we just replace index but keep kilo/index and liberty/index10:54
AJaegergo ahead, loquacities, please!10:55
loquacitiesyeah, that makes sense10:55
loquacitiesdone10:55
loquacitiesok, so i think my other question right now is about the config ref10:56
loquacitieshow do we find out if all the scripts have been run (or what's left to be run)?10:56
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AJaegerloquacities: change when the files where last updated?10:59
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AJaegerloquacities: Or regenerate all - if nothing has changed, we're fine ;)10:59
loquacitiesah ok, so we can just run all of them11:00
loquacitiesthat makes sense11:00
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loquacitiesdo we have someone to do that?11:00
AJaegerloquacities: Atsushi has regenerated some pages - do you want to ping him, whether he wants to rerun all? See https://review.openstack.org/#/c/220118/11:00
* AJaeger will be back later...11:01
loquacitiesi'm thinking that rerunning them all in the next day or two might be wise11:01
loquacitiesAJaeger: ok, np11:01
loquacitiesi'm going to head to bed shortly, too11:01
berendtloquacities: I will try to have a look on it later this day11:03
loquacitiesok, i was just composing an email to atsushi11:03
loquacitiesshould i wait?11:03
berendtno11:03
loquacitiesok, i've cc'd the list, anyway, so you can reply there if you like11:03
berendtadd me to cc11:03
loquacitiesok, can do11:04
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openstackgerritPranav Salunke proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: install: Liberty updates for obs (*suse/SLES)  https://review.openstack.org/23097411:27
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openstackgerritBogdan Dobrelya proposed openstack/ha-guide: Fix Quorum rules  https://review.openstack.org/22541811:35
openstackgerritAtsushi SAKAI proposed openstack/api-site: Fix Pool related LBaaS v2 parameters.  https://review.openstack.org/23415911:36
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berendtdguitarbite: working on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/230974 now. not sure why you are ignoring my comments.11:38
dguitarbiteberendt: Sorry, I did not ignore your comments. I might have missed something in there. Let me re-check11:38
berendti will send an update11:39
dguitarbiteberendt: I updated it as per your comments. Not sure where it got lost! Checking it again.11:40
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openstackgerritChristian Berendt proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: install: Liberty updates for obs (*suse/SLES)  https://review.openstack.org/23097411:55
dguitarbiteberendt: Thanks! I need some more getting-used-to with RST syntax :|11:57
openstackgerritChristian Berendt proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: install: Update mariadb configuration  https://review.openstack.org/23360711:59
openstackgerritChristian Berendt proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: install: Liberty updates for obs (*suse/SLES)  https://review.openstack.org/23097411:59
berendtdguitarbite: after running a2enmod version, is it necessary to restart the httpd service?12:00
openstackgerritMerged openstack/ha-guide: symbol and command modifications on Galera in HA guide  https://review.openstack.org/22513812:02
dguitarbiteberendt: It is required if you want to use Horizon (use a2enmod). But its been done later on in the same section.12:02
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openstackgerritChristian Berendt proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: install: Update mariadb configuration  https://review.openstack.org/23360712:04
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openstackgerritChristian Berendt proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: install: Liberty updates for obs (*suse/SLES)  https://review.openstack.org/23097412:06
berendtdguitarbite: okay. we should enable the module just before the restart of the service12:06
berendtdguitarbite: move the instructions to the end of the file12:06
dguitarbiteberendt: Its your call, I am neutral to the location where this should be done. I felt like its part of the installation of the package and that is why I added it there.12:06
dguitarbiteberendt: Ok, end of file => just before restarting apache2 service.12:07
berendtdguitarbite: yes.12:07
berendtdguitarbite: I also modified https://review.openstack.org/#/c/233607/ to reduce the duplicated content.12:08
berendtdguitarbite: I think this way Matt will approve it later this day.12:08
dguitarbiteberendt: thanks a lot :)12:08
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openstackgerritThomas Goirand proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: [Debian Install Guide] Upgrade for Chapter 4  https://review.openstack.org/21510512:44
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AJaegerSam-I-Am, have you seen Thomas' comment on the mailing list? Feel free +2 the Debian not-yet publishing on /liberty/ https://review.openstack.org/233973 as that's what he proposed as well.12:55
openstackgerritMartin Hickey proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Add description when DHCP should be enabled for an external network  https://review.openstack.org/23419613:03
openstackgerritMerged openstack/openstack-manuals: Remove unused 'deprecated' option from auth_strategy opt  https://review.openstack.org/23386313:07
openstackgerritMartin Hickey proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Add when DHCP should be enabled for an external network  https://review.openstack.org/23419613:07
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openstackgerritThomas Goirand proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: openstack-pkg-tools using openstackclient  https://review.openstack.org/23420313:19
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/operations-guide: Updated from openstack-manuals  https://review.openstack.org/23400813:32
openstackgerrityapeng Yang proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Change "FILE" to "/etc/cinder/glusterfs"  https://review.openstack.org/23421313:34
openstackgerritMerged openstack/openstack-manuals: [www] add index page for Liberty release  https://review.openstack.org/23355313:34
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krotscheckAnyone around?13:42
krotscheckA question has come up as to where the appropriate place is to put documentation regarding "Hey here's how we do {{language}}"13:42
krotscheckThe discussion is currently happening here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/232756/13:42
krotscheckDoes anyone know where something like that should go?13:42
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/openstack-manuals: Update Install Guide status warning  https://review.openstack.org/23399013:48
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AJaegerkrotscheck: let me check...14:02
AJaegerkrotscheck: we don't really have a place. There's http://docs.openstack.org/project-team-guide/ and the INfra manual but both do not really apply. Best discuss with annegentle, she's in the TC as well...14:03
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berendtSam-I-Am: can you please have a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/233607/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/230974/ (pending reviews for suse based distributions). they should be fine now.14:05
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/openstack-manuals: Do not publish Debian Install Guide for Liberty  https://review.openstack.org/23397314:09
openstackgerritMerged openstack/openstack-manuals: Do not publish Debian Install Guide for Liberty  https://review.openstack.org/23397314:09
krotscheckAJaeger: Danke.14:09
krotscheckAJaeger: The Project Team Guide might actually be a good place.14:10
krotscheckI'm just worried about the overlap between that and the governance repo14:10
krotscheckActually, I'm a little confused why we have governance, and specs, and team guide, and admin guide, and and and and and14:11
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krotscheck...and wikis and etherpads and and and...14:11
Sam-I-Amberendt: yeah, i was waiting for jenkins on those14:11
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AJaegerkrotscheck: a lot of stuff has moved from wiki to these consolidated places like Infra Manual and Project Team Guide. But yeah, we might need to delete some more stuff overall ;)14:13
annegentleAJaeger: did anyone figure out the wiki redirection from wiki page to infra manual?14:14
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AJaegerannegentle: not that I'm aware off, better ask fungi14:14
annegentleAJaeger: ok14:14
AJaegerstill you can delete everything and just add a link...14:14
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annegentleAJaeger: ugh, still requires reader clicking, sigh14:19
krotscheckannegentle: Any suggestions on ^^?14:19
krotscheckRight now I'm pondering the infra guide14:19
AJaegerkrotscheck: for the infra guide talk with fungi.14:20
krotscheckMostly because it contains a "Python Developer Guide"14:20
annegentlekrotscheck:I missed the very first part14:20
AJaegerkrotscheck: related is also the hacking documentation docs.openstack.org/developer/hacking/14:20
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krotscheckannegentle: I'm looking for the correct place to put documentation of "Here's how we do {{programming language}} in openstack."14:21
annegentlekrotscheck: ah14:21
krotscheckIt came out of discussion on the Javascript Common Testing Interface governance patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/232756/14:22
annegentlekrotscheck: probably the infra manual is fine. Your goal is "hey <this type of dev> here's what you need to know?14:22
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annegentlekrotscheck: yeah I saw that and wondered myself where the doc would live14:22
krotscheckYes, that's the end goal. How to do project setup, best practices, what not to do, what tools to use, etc.14:22
annegentlekrotscheck: thinking14:23
krotscheckThe current question is: Infra manual or Project Team Guide?14:23
krotscheckOr somewhere else?14:23
AJaegeranybody around that likes to review the neutron import for teh Config Reference at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/220118/ ? Otherwise I approve as usual since it's auto-generated - but will first do a little more review...14:23
annegentlekrotscheck: I see the project team guide as "here are the collaboration processes we use"14:23
krotscheckAJaeger: hacking seems... python specific.14:23
annegentlekrotscheck: the infra manual is "here's how we build things"14:23
annegentlekrotscheck: developer.openstack.org is for SDK/CLI/API work and this is more for contributors to OpenStack right?14:24
AJaegerannegentle: speaking about project-team, care to review https://review.openstack.org/232144, plesae?14:24
openstackgerritJohn Belamaric proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: IPAM Configuration  https://review.openstack.org/23424114:24
krotscheckannegentle: Yep14:24
AJaegerkrotscheck: yeah, it is. Just wanted to point it out. You could also create a new repo *like* hacking just for documentation if all else fails...14:24
krotscheckannegentle: Is it just me or do we really have way too many different places where documentation might live?14:24
annegentlekrotscheck: yes, you're right. though we're not as bad as "the internet" the growth of openstack projects has made the doc corralling harder and harder14:24
krotscheckAJaeger: Well, we have eslint-config-openstack that has its own readme, and will hopefully have its own documentation once we figure out how to build that.14:24
annegentlekrotscheck: for now, you are only talking to javascript devs? Not all the rest right?14:25
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krotscheckannegentle: Pity I can't come to Tokyo to have this discussion in person :)14:25
krotscheckannegentle: Yep14:25
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AJaegerkrotscheck: ;)14:26
annegentleheh14:26
krotscheckOk, so infra guide. Check.14:27
openstackgerritzhu.rong proposed openstack/operations-guide: Fix the desc for the flavor ID  https://review.openstack.org/23424414:28
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openstackgerritChristian Berendt proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Update CLI reference for python-keystoneclient 1.8.0  https://review.openstack.org/23424614:29
openstackgerritAndreas Jaeger proposed openstack/api-site: Allow publishlang to run several times  https://review.openstack.org/23425014:31
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openstackgerritChristian Berendt proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Update CLI reference for python-neutronclient 3.1.0  https://review.openstack.org/23425314:35
openstackgerritChristian Berendt proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Update CLI reference for python-openstackclient 1.7.1  https://review.openstack.org/23425614:39
openstackgerritChristian Berendt proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Update CLI reference for python-muranoclient 0.7.1  https://review.openstack.org/23425914:41
openstackgerritzhu.rong proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Update the desc for flavor ID  https://review.openstack.org/23426214:42
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openstackgerritChristian Berendt proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: [cli-reference] fix current version of python-mistralclient  https://review.openstack.org/23426814:48
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openstackgerritChristian Berendt proposed openstack/openstack-doc-tools: Remove duplicate manil entry from clients.yaml  https://review.openstack.org/23427214:53
openstackgerritKATO Tomoyuki proposed openstack/openstack-doc-tools: Remove duplicate manila entry from clients.yaml  https://review.openstack.org/23427214:55
openstackgerritMerged openstack/openstack-manuals: Update Config reference for neutron  https://review.openstack.org/22011814:57
openstackgerritNate Potter proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Enable cinder-manage to remove services  https://review.openstack.org/23427614:58
openstackgerritDiane Fleming proposed openstack/api-site: Add FWaaS Reference API Documentation  https://review.openstack.org/17073314:58
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openstackgerritNate Potter proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Enable cinder-manage to remove services  https://review.openstack.org/23427615:00
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openstackgerritChristian Berendt proposed openstack/openstack-doc-tools: [os_doc_tools] fix cli-reference generation for gnocchiclient  https://review.openstack.org/23427815:01
openstackgerritNate Potter proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Enable cinder-manage to remove services  https://review.openstack.org/23427615:01
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openstackgerritMaria Zlatkova proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: [Contributor Guide] Workflow diagram  https://review.openstack.org/23427915:02
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berendthttp://docs.openstack.org/liberty/ should be accessible, but I only get a 403 forbidden error15:07
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openstackgerritNate Potter proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Enable cinder-manage to remove services  https://review.openstack.org/23427615:20
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openstackgerritNate Potter proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Enable cinder-manage to remove services  https://review.openstack.org/23427615:23
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/api-site: Change the type of some param into "xsd:list"  https://review.openstack.org/23367515:27
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openstackgerritDiane Fleming proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Remove mention of anything less than Compute v2.1  https://review.openstack.org/23325315:58
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openstackgerritAnne Gentle proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Redirect API Quick Start now that it is RST-built  https://review.openstack.org/23219016:08
openstackgerritAndreas Jaeger proposed openstack/api-site: Allow publishlang to run several times  https://review.openstack.org/23425016:09
openstackgerritChristian Berendt proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: [install] [suse] install missing dependency pyOpenSSL  https://review.openstack.org/23431616:09
openstackgerritMerged openstack/openstack-manuals: install: Liberty updates for obs (*suse/SLES)  https://review.openstack.org/23097416:11
openstackgerritChristian Berendt proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: [install] [suse] install missing dependency pyOpenSSL  https://review.openstack.org/23431616:12
openstackgerritMerged openstack/openstack-manuals: install: Update mariadb configuration  https://review.openstack.org/23360716:13
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openstackgerritMatthew Kassawara proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: [install] Liberty updates for heat  https://review.openstack.org/23431716:15
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openstackgerritmin wang proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Modify networking_config_agents for LBaas  https://review.openstack.org/22492916:19
openstackgerritOlena Logvinova proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: [Contributor Guide] Build locally section to RST  https://review.openstack.org/23432016:20
lwilliamshi all, are changes to liberty still an option or is that cutoff done? thx for the reminder.16:22
annegentlelwilliams: you can continue to propose changes16:23
openstackgerritThomas Goirand proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: no finalize step for glance in Debian  https://review.openstack.org/23432416:23
lwilliamsthanks anne, when is the cutoff?16:24
annegentlelwilliams: we continuously publish16:25
annegentlelwilliams: we are extra careful what merges this week, and are tracking release tasks here https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Liberty_ReleaseTasks16:26
AJaegerlwilliams: what guide are you interested in?16:26
annegentleAJaeger: lwilliams: yes, that's the better question :)16:26
AJaegerWe branch config ref and install guide in a few weeks but allow backports.16:26
AJaegerright now master *is* liberty16:26
annegentlelwilliams: unless you work better under deadline :)16:31
annegentlelwilliams: and you just want a date :)16:31
AJaegerannegentle: -1ed your project-config change. The first two files look fine now ;)16:33
lwilliamsannegentle: AJaeger: thank you, that was very helpful. anne, ;) no dates required! was asking in general for now... thx again.16:33
annegentleAJaeger: thanks16:35
annegentleAJaeger: you must be tired of my small mistakes by now :)16:35
AJaegerannegentle: not yet ;)16:36
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AJaegerannegentle: +2!16:39
annegentleAJaeger: whew!16:39
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AJaeger;)16:39
annegentleAJaeger: what do you think about John's comments on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/230186/11/tox.ini?16:39
annegentleshould I publish elsewhere ?16:39
annegentle(locally)16:40
AJaegerannegentle: I need to double check that one, will answer later...16:40
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annegentleAJaeger: ok it is the dependency for the other, so I'll see what I can come up with...16:48
annegentlebut for now, lunch16:48
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AJaegergive me an hour max...16:51
AJaegerenjoy lunch, annegentle16:51
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AJaegerannegentle: please ping me once you're back...17:33
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openstackgerritChristian Berendt proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: [install] [suse] install missing dependency python-oslo.versionedobjects  https://review.openstack.org/23436617:49
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/openstack-manuals: Change "FILE" to "/etc/cinder/glusterfs"  https://review.openstack.org/23421317:49
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openstackgerritAnne Gentle proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Redirect API Quick Start now that it is RST-built  https://review.openstack.org/23219017:54
annegentleAJaeger: back from lunch, but meetings all afternoon, will check in tho17:55
AJaegerjust a quick comment regarding your nova change: The "build_sphinx" builds the new API guide as well. IF that is not desired, you need to do some kind of change and I'm out of ideas. I suggest to ask somebody else, perhaps dhellmann, whether he can help on how to do this best.17:56
openstackgerritMerged openstack/openstack-doc-tools: Remove duplicate manila entry from clients.yaml  https://review.openstack.org/23427217:56
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annegentleAJaeger: ohhhh I didn't think it would, based on looking at setup.cnf17:58
annegentleAJaeger: dhellman was the one who came up with what I did, so I think it's ok17:59
AJaegerannegentle: it does, just build it yourself and check17:59
annegentleAJaeger: heh the dependencies don't even work on my mac, sigh17:59
AJaegerannegentle: ;(17:59
annegentleAJaeger: but yes, I pushed it up to make sure17:59
annegentleAJaeger: I think it's ok17:59
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AJaegerbut you should not make a direct link to the api-guide from the rest of the docs - especially if you publish to developer.o.o18:00
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berendtI still do not understand people who give a +1 on an already merged review request (e.g. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/234272/). It only spams my inbox and I am tending to add those people to my killfile.18:14
AJaegerberendt: do you want to tell that guy? I'm confused as well. Read the backscroll from this morning where loquacities and myself discussed this...18:21
berendtis not only that guy, there are a lot of people doing that, not only in openstack-manuals18:22
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berendtI will write the one from 234272 and ask him why he is doing that18:22
openstackgerritAndreas Jaeger proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Do not copy sources  https://review.openstack.org/23437918:23
AJaegerberendt: could you double check that report a bug still works with the above change, please? ^18:24
berendtAJaeger: yes, I will have a look.18:25
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berendtthe same for https://review.openstack.org/234246, a +1 after I approved it18:26
berendtI wrote him a mail and asked him for an explanation18:27
openstackgerritAndreas Jaeger proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Do not publish dirtrees  https://review.openstack.org/23438118:27
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AJaegerberendt: I'm interested in the answer...18:27
AJaegerberendt: the above change is even nicer - for publishing.18:28
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AJaegerFirst change goves from 42 MB to 39 MB (for all four Install Guides) and second removes another 13 MB ;)18:28
berendtAJaeger: yes I like those clean ups. let's wait for Jenkins.18:28
AJaegerberendt: no urgency for them...18:29
openstackgerritAndreas Jaeger proposed openstack/openstack-doc-tools: Do not publish dirtrees  https://review.openstack.org/23438218:31
berendtAJaeger: does it make sense to remove the _sources directory in the build-rst.sh script? this way we do not have to modify the conf files18:33
AJaegerberendt: I prefer to not output them at all ;)18:34
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berendtAJaeger: okay18:37
berendtAJaeger: how many cores do we have on the build systems?18:37
AJaegerberendt: which repo?18:38
berendtfor openstack-manuals18:38
AJaeger12 I guess, you can check yourself...18:38
openstackgerritMerged openstack/openstack-manuals: Update CLI reference for python-keystoneclient 1.8.0  https://review.openstack.org/23424618:38
openstackgerritMerged openstack/openstack-manuals: Update CLI reference for python-neutronclient 3.1.0  https://review.openstack.org/23425318:39
berendtAJaeger: we could add the -j 12 parameter to sphinx-build to really speed up the builds18:39
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AJaegerCPU cores - I thought core reviewers...18:40
openstackgerritMerged openstack/openstack-manuals: Update CLI reference for python-openstackclient 1.7.1  https://review.openstack.org/23425618:40
berendtAJaeger: :) sorry18:40
AJaegerberendt: no idea how many we have -and be carefull not to crash people's laptops...18:40
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berendtAJaeger: static number makes no sense, yes.18:41
AJaegerberendt: give it a try ;)18:41
openstackgerritMerged openstack/openstack-manuals: Update CLI reference for python-muranoclient 0.7.1  https://review.openstack.org/23425918:42
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openstackgerritChristian Berendt proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: WIP: Build in parallel with NUMBER_OF_CORES processes  https://review.openstack.org/23438818:50
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openstackgerritRyan Lucio proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Add VMEM v6000 block storage config page  https://review.openstack.org/23329118:55
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openstackgerritRyan Lucio proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Adds VMEM v7000 block storage config page  https://review.openstack.org/23329219:00
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AJaegerberendt: on my laptop -j4 improves build time from 40s to 30s...19:03
berendtAJaeger: yeah :)19:03
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openstackgerritChristian Berendt proposed openstack/openstack-doc-tools: [os_doc_tools] add cli-reference generation for cloudkitty  https://review.openstack.org/23439419:17
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openstackgerritChristian Berendt proposed openstack/openstack-doc-tools: [os_doc_tools] sync clients.yaml with governance repository  https://review.openstack.org/23440019:27
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berendtI updated https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Liberty_ReleaseTasks. Hope it is up to date now.19:47
AJaegerthanks, berendt19:55
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openstackgerritThomas Goirand proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Add note about no nova-objectstore package.  https://review.openstack.org/23441820:02
openstackgerritChristian Berendt proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: WIP: Build in parallel with NUMBER_OF_CORES processes  https://review.openstack.org/23438820:04
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openstackgerritChristian Berendt proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Do not publish doctrees  https://review.openstack.org/23438120:13
AJaegerberendt: thanks for fixing my commit message!20:17
openstackgerritMerged openstack/openstack-manuals: Remove mention of anything less than Compute v2.1  https://review.openstack.org/23325320:20
openstackgerritJohn Belamaric proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: IPAM Configuration  https://review.openstack.org/23424120:20
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openstackgerritChristian Berendt proposed openstack/openstack-doc-tools: doc-tools: Build in parallel with NUMBER_OF_CORES processes  https://review.openstack.org/23442320:25
openstackgerritChristian Berendt proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: [common] remove the Identity process flow from Keystone getting started  https://review.openstack.org/23336620:29
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openstackgerritThomas Goirand proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Fix-up for nova installation in Debian  https://review.openstack.org/23442920:38
openstackgerritChuck Carmack proposed openstack/api-site: Document the all_projects parameter to the GET os-server-groups API  https://review.openstack.org/23443020:43
openstackgerritManjeet Singh Bhatia proposed openstack/api-site: Add icpmv6 in list of accepted value for protocol  https://review.openstack.org/23443120:46
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openstackgerritChuck Carmack proposed openstack/api-site: Document the all_projects parameter to the GET os-server-groups API  https://review.openstack.org/23443020:47
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openstackgerritThomas Goirand proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Install compute node on Debian  https://review.openstack.org/23443320:54
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/operations-guide: Fix 'glance details' command in Operation Guide  https://review.openstack.org/23361520:57
openstackgerritThomas Goirand proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Fix Debian install of Horizon in Debian  https://review.openstack.org/23443621:02
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Rockygloquacities, you around?21:20
annegentleRockyg: must be early for her still, what's up?21:22
openstackgerritManjeet Singh Bhatia proposed openstack/api-site: Add icpmv6 in list of accepted value for protocol  https://review.openstack.org/23443121:23
RockygAh.  Thanks.  I was gonna ping you next ;)21:24
loquacitiesRockyg:  i'm here, just in a meeting21:24
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annegentleheh21:25
RockygI want to get a logging config started during the summit.  I think I need an outline to make it happen, and maybe a docs person during the ops session I'm thinking of working on it.  Or maybe Friday:-)21:25
RockygSo, what do I/we need to make it easier to get ops folks just writing?21:25
RockygI've reviewed lots of the docs and log stuff is scattered per project, but they all do the same thing.  Well, mostly.21:26
ccarmackannegentle:  thanks for the comments on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/234430/.   One question - what is token scope?21:26
RockygI want to do the global config info, the config options, how to  change config per project, where the logs live, etc.21:27
RockygCould just be a chapter, but.....21:27
annegentleccarmack: ah. I was thinking "can I only make this call with an admin user id and pwd or would an admin token also work?21:27
annegentleso, token scoped for an admin to use21:27
annegentlescope might be inaccurate21:27
Rockygloquacities, ^^21:28
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ccarmackannegentle:  using the all_projects parameter requires an admin token.  I mention that in the update as requiring administrator authority.  Maybe I could say it better21:29
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ccarmackannegentle: I can look around for other APIs requiring admin authority and see how it is described21:31
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ccarmackannegentle:  all APIs require a token afaik, you can't pass userid/pw to a nova API21:32
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Sam-I-AmRockyg: is this... THE rocky?21:34
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RockygSam-I-Am, Yup21:35
Sam-I-Amhey, long time no see21:37
Sam-I-Ami remember us talking about logging at some point21:37
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Sam-I-Amamong other ways to generally improve openstack21:37
RockygStill working on that ;-)21:37
Sam-I-Amme too21:38
Sam-I-Amits hard21:38
RockygLots harder than you would think.21:38
RockygSo, I wanna get a logging config document started during the summit.  Or maybe really, all things logging21:38
RockygIf we have specific topics, we can get specific commitments.21:39
RockygAnd even track in either bug tracking or bps21:39
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RockygOnce documented, it's easier to show where improvement is needed ;-)21:40
Sam-I-Amfunny how that works21:40
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RockygYeah.  But I also have ammo now for error codes.  I'm planning to do lots of work during the flight to Tokyo, since I don't seem to be able to do it during the work day21:44
Sam-I-Amnever any time21:45
RockygI hope to get a couple of specs, the docs, and whatever else I can to line up progress for the next cycle.21:45
Rockygwhat're you up to?21:46
Sam-I-Amupdating the install guide for liberty21:49
Sam-I-Amits always an uphill battle21:49
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RockygYup.  That's why logging docs ;-)  Install is the biggest part of logging...21:53
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Sam-I-Ami'm all for logging making better sense21:54
Sam-I-Amthat issue comes up a lot in #openstack21:54
RockygIf you have any ideas for how to structure the logging doc, or logging config chapter for install, I'd be happy to run with it and get ops to write the code.  It can happen after release, but before summit21:54
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Sam-I-Amverbose=false or verbose=true shows different amounts of things, and debug=true is usually overkill21:55
Sam-I-Ammy guess is logging configuration would go into the admin guide21:55
Sam-I-Amwith useful defaults set in the install guide21:55
RockygWell, 30-50 logs just for a three node, plus vms logs, etc.21:55
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loquacitiesRockyg: sorry, back now, for five mins21:55
RockygSupposedly the verbose thing got fixed.21:55
loquacitiesread the scrollback21:55
Sam-I-Ameh21:55
loquacitieswhat do you need?21:55
Sam-I-Am"fixed"21:55
RockygWell, turned off, and supposedly doesn't do anything different from debug now.21:56
Sam-I-Amits still the same as it ever was, best i can tell21:56
Sam-I-Amit surely is not debug level21:56
Rockygloquacities, trying to get a structure/framework for a logging doc that I can do a sprint with ops at the summit21:57
Sam-I-Amit should probably be categorized, like apache does21:57
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loquacitiesRockyg: happy to work with you on developing that21:57
Sam-I-Amor messages using error numbers in ranges like http21:57
loquacitiesdo you need to get a bp/spec up first?21:57
RockygSam-I-Am, yup21:57
Rockygloquacities, Yeah, I think so.  I can probably toss up a start and we can use that to spin up something that will work.21:58
loquacitiessure21:58
loquacitiesfeel free to ping me, or email :)21:59
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RockygI just haven't been hanging out in docs enough to feel confident I'm doing it right :-) but a spec can start wrong, so, I'll go for it.21:59
Sam-I-Amjoin us, we're not scary :)22:00
loquacitiescool, i'll keep an eye out for it :)22:00
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RockygSam-I-Am, sounds like I am for a bit.  My problem with docs now is rst/markdown.  Yuck!22:01
Sam-I-Amits better than docbook22:01
RockygHow do you guys do real graphics/diagrams?  Dev does ascii draw...22:01
Sam-I-Amomnigraffle22:01
Sam-I-Amthere's also draw.io (web site)22:02
Sam-I-Ameither way, i'm happy to improve your diagrams22:02
RockygYeah.  docbook was nearly impossible for me.  and cool.  We can do real flowcharts, diagrams, etc.  Excellent22:02
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Sam-I-Amyeah22:04
RockygCool.  Question:  For install guide, can you put a bit at the beginning about logs and the global config?  Right now, each project has a section and they're all really similar, but nothing on the global config22:04
Sam-I-Amits crappy there's no good open source diagrammer22:04
Sam-I-Amthey're all craptastic22:04
RockygGliffy isn't bad, but not Open, I don't think.  More like Jira.  Open but not.22:05
Sam-I-Amomnigraffle just works really well22:05
Sam-I-Amimo22:05
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Sam-I-Amwhat exactly would you want in the install guide?22:05
RockygOh, fyi.  All the logging options now generate a doc.22:05
Sam-I-Amwha?22:06
RockygSo chapter or section on logs.  Here are where the configs are and what the defaults are, here are where to find the actual logs, here is how to change a config option for just one project (and locations)22:07
RockygThen maybe a pointer to the os-ops directory with a logstash config script?22:07
RockygOr a pointer to some of the infra scripts?  I assume most ops are like me and would rather modify than start from scratch.22:08
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Sam-I-AmRockyg: this sounds more useful in either the admin guide or in the config reference22:09
Sam-I-AmRockyg: in the install guide, we mention enabling verbose mode in all services to increase ability to troubleshoot22:09
RockygYah.  So, really, a summary for the install, and the full in the logging guide.22:09
Sam-I-Amwe disable debug mode because thats a mess22:09
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RockygOK.  I believe that.  I need to do a bit more research, but really, pointing out where things get config and an example link could help a lot.22:11
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Sam-I-Amit would be nice if there was some sort of common section in each config file to specify logging22:11
Sam-I-Amlike [log]22:12
RockygThere supposedly is.22:12
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RockygUsually under Troubleshoot <Project>22:13
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RockygTake a look at Troubleshoot the Block Storage configuration (shouldn't that be cap'ed?) in the admin guide22:16
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openstackgerritKATO Tomoyuki proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Redirect API Guide now that it is RST-built  https://review.openstack.org/23219022:30
Sam-I-AmRockyg: yeah, that might be a good place to make sure people have the correct log level set, and eventually list common error messages and their fixes22:33
Sam-I-Ambut the log levels themselves would be under the configuration22:33
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RockygYup.22:36
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Sam-I-AmRockyg: eventually i'd like us to consolidate all of the random guides22:38
Sam-I-Amthey sort of make it too difficult to find what you're looking for22:38
RockygYes.  Agreed.22:39
Sam-I-Amthe best division might be user vs. not-user22:40
Sam-I-Amand within them, divide by service22:40
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Sam-I-Ambasic install, config reference, usage, troubleshooting, etc22:40
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RockygYeah.  Needs a global admin(the ops stuff) focus, a domain admin (tenant sysops) and user22:41
RockygBut common install/config/etc....one place or in each prject?  The old horizontal vs vertical22:42
Sam-I-Ami'd say the whole thing is organized by project22:45
Sam-I-Amsince thats how people think, i think22:45
Sam-I-Am"i want to use neutron with openstack"22:45
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Sam-I-Amhere's all things neutron22:45
RockygWell, but you need to openstack "framework"  first.  So, the horizontal stuff that is pretty universal.22:45
RockygAnd, this is the beginning of a shift of thinking with devs about the projects.  They are going to get less silo'ed22:46
Sam-I-Amoh?22:47
Sam-I-Ami wish i could get them to contribute to docs22:47
RockygYup.  Cross project is one of the major themes for Liberty.22:47
RockygSorry, Mitaka22:47
Sam-I-Amthe install guide covers a basic installation of all core services... e.g, enough to launch an instance + optional services that include distro packages22:48
RockygThey discovered during Liberty that projects would write new APIs but the other projects just kept using the old ones.22:48
Sam-I-Amsounds like cinder lol22:49
Sam-I-Amthat thing is a mess22:49
RockygCinder, glance, keystone....22:49
Sam-I-Amyeah, those too :)22:50
Sam-I-Amapi versions and how badly they're implemented cause me lots of headaches with each release22:50
Sam-I-Amversioned and un-versioned endpoints, client detection of api versions, service entity names, endpoints in general22:50
Sam-I-Amturns out... the install guide is really the only place to get an idea of what the service entities and endpoints should be for any of the core projects22:51
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Sam-I-Amall of the other docs include config stuff, but never what goes into keystone22:51
Sam-I-Amor any sort of matrix as to what api versions are supported for other things... like nova talking to cinder or glance22:51
RockygMyabe just a section on where to where to find config files, log files, other required operating "data" on the machines.22:52
RockygYeah.  Nova talks glance v1 and cinder v122:52
RockygThat's one of the things they discovered.22:52
Sam-I-Ami have nova talking v222:53
Sam-I-Amthe install guide doesnt config glance to talk to cinder, so i dont know about that one22:53
Sam-I-Amfrankly version discovery + un-versioned endpoints = win22:53
RockygThat's a bloody mess.22:53
RockygSo, nova talks v2, but if you want to create a vm from an image?  You use nova's proxy which uses glance v122:54
Sam-I-Amall of the projects have slightly different ways to handle api versions22:54
Sam-I-Ammost of which i've had to figure out through testing because no one who develops them actually knows22:54
Rockygor something like that.  I haven't played enough with a real system to get it exact.22:55
RockygOh!  That's when you file bugs!  Maybe we should do a session on when docs should just throw the problem back at devs...22:55
Sam-I-Amwhat we need is more dev committment to docs22:56
RockygOslo did a doc sprint at the end of L322:56
Sam-I-Amfor every release, i want someone from each service that wants to be in the install guide the best way to deploy that service based on the features available for X release22:56
RockygGot a lot done.22:56
RockygHmm.  How many devs do you think actually deploy the service they are working on?  Most use devstack to handle it all.22:57
RockygIn fact, deploy is one of the biggest elephants in the room.22:58
RockygBut, you know that.22:58
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Sam-I-Amlol devstack23:00
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RockygCool.  Just found where the global config files get put.  {., ~/.config/openstack, /etc/openstack}23:03
Sam-I-Amwe have global config files?23:03
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RockygYup.23:04
Sam-I-Amnot as far as the distros are concerned23:04
Sam-I-Amit would be nice to centralize some common config23:04
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Rockyghttp://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/os-client-config/tree/README.rst23:08
RockygIt talks about most of the config stuff.  It actually looks really useful for user docs.23:08
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RockygWhoa!  Those config repostories are pretty interesting.23:11
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RockygGotta run!  See you at the summit?23:18
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RockygSam-I-Am, ^^23:20
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Sam-I-AmRockyg: not going23:20
RockygAw =(23:20
RockygAustin, then.23:21
Sam-I-Amyeah, probaly23:22
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Sam-I-Amor some other mid-cycle event23:22
Sam-I-Ami like the mid-cycle ops meetups23:23
Rockygttfn23:23
Sam-I-Amlater!23:23
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openstackgerritzhu.rong proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Update the desc for flavor ID  https://review.openstack.org/23447423:42
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openstackgerritKATO Tomoyuki proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Redirect API Guide now that it is RST-built  https://review.openstack.org/23219023:45
openstackgerritBrian Moss proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Add missing word in Prerequisites section  https://review.openstack.org/23447623:51
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/operations-guide: Fix the desc for the flavor ID  https://review.openstack.org/23424423:57
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