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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/openstack-manuals: Fix links/add missing links in the top bar https://review.openstack.org/218598 | 02:18 |
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openstackgerrit | Yucai Li proposed openstack/api-site: Fix a mistake in decription about Volume manage extension https://review.openstack.org/218702 | 02:23 |
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openstackgerrit | luzhiyuan proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: modify the command description https://review.openstack.org/218700 | 02:43 |
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openstackgerrit | huanglu proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Repeated words in Networking Guide https://review.openstack.org/218125 | 02:50 |
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openstackgerrit | Matthew Kassawara proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: [network-guide] Update L3 HA scenarios https://review.openstack.org/216462 | 02:57 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/openstack-manuals: Fixed manual [OpenStack End User Guide],section[Launch and manage stacks] original description is as following: --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Depending on the source that you select, enter the URL, https://review.openstack.org/218211 | 03:10 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/openstack-manuals: Fixed sentences to a meaningful way https://review.openstack.org/218672 | 03:15 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/openstack-manuals: Update API reference listing for Kilo and Liberty https://review.openstack.org/218599 | 03:15 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/openstack-manuals: modify the command description https://review.openstack.org/218700 | 03:25 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/openstack-manuals: Repeated words in Networking Guide https://review.openstack.org/218125 | 03:26 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/openstack-manuals: [network-guide] Update L3 HA scenarios https://review.openstack.org/216462 | 03:30 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/openstack-doc-tools: Add doc-tools-build-rst https://review.openstack.org/216043 | 03:34 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/openstack-doc-tools: Fix XML file generation error for cli-reference in murano case https://review.openstack.org/217238 | 03:36 |
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openstackgerrit | Yutaro Iwakiri proposed openstack/api-site: remove broken link in overview of api-site https://review.openstack.org/218728 | 05:27 |
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openstackgerrit | partys proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Rectify spelling mistake in install-guide https://review.openstack.org/218731 | 05:36 |
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openstackgerrit | partys proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Rectify spelling mistake in install-guide https://review.openstack.org/218733 | 05:54 |
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openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/operations-guide: Imported Translations from Transifex https://review.openstack.org/218734 | 06:01 |
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openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Imported Translations from Transifex https://review.openstack.org/218739 | 06:14 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/operations-guide: Imported Translations from Transifex https://review.openstack.org/218734 | 06:52 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/openstack-manuals: Imported Translations from Transifex https://review.openstack.org/218739 | 06:59 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/openstack-manuals: Rectify spelling mistake in install-guide https://review.openstack.org/218731 | 07:01 |
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openstackgerrit | Shuquan Huang proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Add an admonition about converting windows VM from vmdk to qcow2 https://review.openstack.org/218347 | 07:08 |
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openstackgerrit | Allen proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Add settings tab in "log_in_dashboard.rst" https://review.openstack.org/218153 | 07:15 |
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openstackgerrit | Allen proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Add settings tab in "log_in_dashboard.rst" https://review.openstack.org/218153 | 07:18 |
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openstackgerrit | Allen proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Add volume snapshots sub tab in "log_in_dashboard.rst" https://review.openstack.org/218751 | 07:39 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/openstack-manuals: Rectify spelling mistake in install-guide https://review.openstack.org/218733 | 09:23 |
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openstackgerrit | Neil Jerram proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: networking-guide: various corrections to Networking overview page https://review.openstack.org/218569 | 09:52 |
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openstackgerrit | luzhiyuan proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: add a command note https://review.openstack.org/218793 | 10:16 |
openstackgerrit | Olga Gusarenko proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: [Contributor Guide] RST references https://review.openstack.org/218799 | 10:33 |
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openstackgerrit | Olga Gusarenko proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: [Contributor Guide] RST references https://review.openstack.org/218799 | 10:39 |
openstackgerrit | Olga Gusarenko proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: [Contributor Guide] RST references https://review.openstack.org/218799 | 10:41 |
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openstackgerrit | Keiichiro Tokunaga proposed openstack/api-site: Refactoring on "Security groups and rules" section https://review.openstack.org/216927 | 12:22 |
openstackgerrit | Keiichiro Tokunaga proposed openstack/api-site: Add missing object to "Security groups and rules" https://review.openstack.org/217285 | 12:22 |
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openstackgerrit | Eduardo Felipe Zecca da Cruz proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: HNAS documentation: Liberty Updates https://review.openstack.org/217130 | 12:36 |
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annegentle | morning! | 12:58 |
annegentle | hey arrsim now I know your IRC nick, cool :) | 12:58 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/openstack-manuals: Fix migrate command in admin doc https://review.openstack.org/218130 | 12:58 |
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openstackgerrit | Shuquan Huang proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Add an admonition about converting windows VM from vmdk to qcow2 https://review.openstack.org/218347 | 13:06 |
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arrsim | hey annegentle I'm about to head to bed it's getting late here, but i'll speak to you in the morning :) | 13:24 |
annegentle | arrsim: sounds good :) | 13:26 |
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openstackgerrit | Eduardo Felipe Zecca da Cruz proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: HNAS documentation: Liberty Updates https://review.openstack.org/217130 | 13:51 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/api-site: Refactoring on "Security groups and rules" section https://review.openstack.org/216927 | 15:01 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/api-site: Add missing object to "Security groups and rules" https://review.openstack.org/217285 | 15:01 |
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openstackgerrit | Diane Fleming proposed openstack/api-site: Fix a mistake in decription about Volume manage extension https://review.openstack.org/218702 | 15:06 |
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openstackgerrit | Chris Maio proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Vendor docs for Dot Hill, HP MSA and Lenovo arrays https://review.openstack.org/218085 | 16:09 |
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openstackgerrit | Matjaz Pancur proposed openstack/training-guides: [training-guides] improve the index.rst file https://review.openstack.org/218943 | 16:35 |
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openstackgerrit | Diane Fleming proposed openstack/api-site: Update rescue and unrescue operations https://review.openstack.org/216056 | 16:39 |
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openstackgerrit | bruce-benjamin proposed openstack/security-doc: [security-guide] Ephemeral encryption setup The Data Encryption section in the OpenStack security guide needs some info added to describe how to enable ephemeral disk encryption. Change-Id: I58766ee7481ee9cbba3cd2a960adcaf4809d8ee0 Closes-Bug: #1467551 https://review.openstack.org/218956 | 17:09 |
openstack | bug 1467551 in openstack-manuals "Add info regarding recommended settings for ephemeral disk encryption in the Data Encryption section" [Wishlist,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1467551 - Assigned to Bruce Benjamin (bruce-benjamin) | 17:09 |
openstackgerrit | bruce-benjamin proposed openstack/security-doc: [security-guide] Ephemeral encryption setup https://review.openstack.org/218956 | 17:11 |
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openstackgerrit | Karen Bradshaw proposed openstack/api-site: Fix typo in identity-api v3, href attr https://review.openstack.org/218971 | 18:01 |
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openstackgerrit | Diane Fleming proposed openstack/api-site: Fix parameter description error https://review.openstack.org/217474 | 19:47 |
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openstackgerrit | Diane Fleming proposed openstack/api-site: Fix parameter description error. https://review.openstack.org/217477 | 19:49 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/api-site: Fix a mistake in decription about Volume manage extension https://review.openstack.org/218702 | 19:56 |
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arrsim | annegentle: which room are we meeting in? | 20:01 |
openstackgerrit | Christian Berendt proposed openstack/openstack-doc-tools: Only extract subcommands from lastline of bash-completion output https://review.openstack.org/219014 | 20:01 |
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openstackgerrit | Christian Berendt proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Update CLI reference for python-glanceclient 1.0.0 https://review.openstack.org/219015 | 20:04 |
annegentle | hey arrsim turns out Monty couldn't make it | 20:05 |
arrsim | :( | 20:05 |
annegentle | so rescheduled for tomorrow, but you and I can meet here now | 20:05 |
annegentle | if that's ok | 20:05 |
arrsim | yeah, it's fine | 20:06 |
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annegentle | yay we got the talk proposal accepted! | 20:06 |
annegentle | :) | 20:06 |
arrsim | I saw that. Pressure is on :) | 20:06 |
annegentle | arrsim: we can do it! | 20:06 |
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annegentle | arrsim: I can dig up the convo I had last Friday with the infra team, but the gist is, they coudln't tell from the spec that we'd need a whole 'nother server | 20:07 |
arrsim | it's good because it will help create an deadline. Makes motivation easier | 20:07 |
annegentle | arrsim: oh for sure | 20:07 |
annegentle | I need it! | 20:07 |
annegentle | I'm happy to see Karen Bradshaw working issues | 20:07 |
arrsim | yeah, I need it too | 20:07 |
arrsim | yeah Karen making great progress considering the total lack of documentation | 20:08 |
arrsim | I actually have a few email threads that I should convert into documentation. | 20:08 |
arrsim | so what was the conversation with the infra team? | 20:08 |
annegentle | arrsim: heh | 20:09 |
annegentle | arrsim: oh let me dig it up | 20:09 |
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annegentle | arrsim: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-infra/%23openstack-infra.2015-08-28.log.html look around 2:20 | 20:10 |
arrsim | because I think that we have 2 options, at the moment there are no dynamic API queries, so we could make the website into a totally static one. But at some point in the future, if we want to embed etc, we will probably want to be able to filter the API's that are returned, so it would need a server | 20:10 |
annegentle | er, 20:20 | 20:10 |
annegentle | yeah we can make it static for October-ish | 20:10 |
annegentle | that'll help get heads wrapped around what we're trying to do | 20:10 |
annegentle | arrsim: I need to make sure I am communicating it correctly, too, so feel free to edjumacate me as need be :) | 20:12 |
annegentle | arrsim: I think we're converting for now | 20:12 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/api-site: Fix typo in identity-api v3, href attr https://review.openstack.org/218971 | 20:14 |
openstackgerrit | Christian Berendt proposed openstack/openstack-doc-tools: openstack-auto-commands: fix issues with python-glanceclient 1.0.0 https://review.openstack.org/219014 | 20:14 |
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openstackgerrit | Christian Berendt proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Update CLI reference for python-glanceclient 1.0.0 https://review.openstack.org/219015 | 20:15 |
arrsim | so at the moment, I'm actually aiming to have a live server that translates the RST on the fly | 20:17 |
annegentle | arrsim: hey one part I want to understand, are the RST files pulled in now anywhere? | 20:17 |
annegentle | (for display or whatever) | 20:17 |
arrsim | in regards to the the generation of the documentation from the live services, I hear what they are saying. Seems reasonable. | 20:17 |
arrsim | yes | 20:17 |
annegentle | and is there any "full Swagger spec" for any of the services that uses $ref references? | 20:18 |
annegentle | I see a bunch of JSON but no overarching collection doc, is that right? | 20:18 |
arrsim | so there are RST files stored in a directory, at server start, it reads them and generates a navigation. From there the v2.rst and the v2-tags.rst are combined and rendered to JSON | 20:18 |
arrsim | yes | 20:18 |
openstackgerrit | Karen Bradshaw proposed openstack/api-site: Fix missing methods, orchestration-api https://review.openstack.org/219018 | 20:18 |
arrsim | at the moment I'm using $ref to pull in examples | 20:18 |
annegentle | ok! where's that $ref so I can see an example? | 20:19 |
annegentle | would it make sense to publish a full Swagger spec in addition to the readable pages? | 20:19 |
arrsim | it doesn't need to be there, but it's there because when I made the RST, putting examples inline seemed ugly and would get worse when embedded in source code | 20:19 |
arrsim | we can do anything. We could render a giant JSON file, but at the moment the browser doesn't support that | 20:20 |
arrsim | we could even render a simpler static page from the RST for offline delivery? | 20:21 |
arrsim | chrome app? | 20:21 |
annegentle | or, RST with swagger-ui inline? | 20:21 |
arrsim | I mean, we have options. Whether we make one monolithic file, or just have an offline browser that scrapes everything down. | 20:22 |
annegentle | I'm trying to have fewer dependencies for infra to install, but we can talk more to Monty tomorrow about whether that's a "real" concern. | 20:22 |
annegentle | I mean, what we want is readable docs, maintainable source. | 20:22 |
annegentle | we totally do have tons of options | 20:23 |
annegentle | hey I just fwded an email to your gmail account | 20:23 |
arrsim | with the inline stuff, that is a bit more complicated.. But when we make a sphinx plugin, it can pull down the JSON and store it in the static resources for that doc | 20:23 |
annegentle | oh because swagger-ui wouldn't know about our vendor extensions necessarily? So we'd have to maintain a fork of swagger-ui anyway... then maintain a sphinx plugin too. hrm | 20:23 |
arrsim | how did I miss that email.... | 20:24 |
annegentle | well I din't realize til just now that he only sent that reply to me | 20:24 |
annegentle | so... onlist offlist I guess | 20:24 |
arrsim | the sphinx plugin, could use resources from the browser. | 20:24 |
annegentle | is delivering swagger the outcoming, or is a readable web page the outcome? To me it's the readable web page. | 20:24 |
arrsim | basically, if I make the browser a widget, then we can embed it. Angular tries to force you to break down the app into components anyway | 20:24 |
annegentle | outcome not outcoming :) | 20:24 |
arrsim | yep I agree | 20:25 |
arrsim | in the sphinx plugin we could pull down the Swagger, and then render it to HTML | 20:25 |
arrsim | so that it doesn't rely on JS to convert it in the browser | 20:25 |
annegentle | I sense it's phased: Phase I: get rid of WADL as much as possible, display what we can in a static site. Phase II: get teams to submit Swagger somewhere, publish it with the static site. Phase III: with Swagger files, compare new ones to old ones when the tool generates the Swagger files? | 20:26 |
annegentle | I can't jump to Phase III yet :) | 20:26 |
arrsim | actually. I think I have a different phased approach. | 20:28 |
annegentle | arrsim: go go :) | 20:28 |
annegentle | do tell | 20:28 |
arrsim | phase 1: convert all wadl to RST (confirm that nothing is lost, the best we can). phase 2: all RST and JSONSchema files are stored within the fairy-slipper app. phase 3: start pusing RST doc and JSONSchema to projects. | 20:29 |
openstackgerrit | Pradeep Kilambi proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Add docs around declarative meters https://review.openstack.org/217780 | 20:30 |
arrsim | so in phase 2 we may still be maintain the doc, but during this phase, I intend on developing tools piggy back on Tempest, to hopefully reduce the bitrot. | 20:30 |
annegentle | arrsim: just to clarify, phase 1: convert wadl/docbook to json/rst? Then push that into api-site? | 20:31 |
arrsim | yep | 20:31 |
annegentle | and then how do we store within fairy-slipper? is fairy-slipper a converter for phase 1, and becoming a generator for phase 2? | 20:32 |
arrsim | it already is | 20:33 |
arrsim | it doesn't need to be | 20:33 |
arrsim | but at the moment all the docs are centralised, and the conversion process is a one off thing | 20:33 |
annegentle | arrsim: ok I need to understand the generation part, can we do a walk-through? Is it with cinder.py in fairy-slipper that's "generating" JSON? | 20:33 |
arrsim | we could put the RST/JSONSchema in it's own repo | 20:33 |
annegentle | arrsim: not a bad idea, certainly helps with understanding what's what | 20:34 |
annegentle | arrsim: with enough clarity we can move api-site to the attic perhaps | 20:34 |
arrsim | well that is the end game really | 20:34 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/api-site: Remove extra "issued_at" parameter and add "token" parameter https://review.openstack.org/216068 | 20:35 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/api-site: Fix inappropriate parameter type https://review.openstack.org/216349 | 20:35 |
arrsim | ok I have forwarded you an email, have a read from "OK, so the conversion_files are madness," | 20:37 |
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annegentle | arrsim: so looking at https://github.com/russell/fairy-slipper/blob/master/fairy_slipper/cinder.py -- is line 19 actually running through all the routes for a cinder service? | 20:37 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/openstack-manuals: HNAS documentation: Liberty Updates https://review.openstack.org/217130 | 20:37 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/openstack-manuals: [Contributor Guide] RST references https://review.openstack.org/218799 | 20:37 |
annegentle | arrsim: basically, looking at https://github.com/russell/fairy-slipper/blob/master/fairy_slipper/controllers/routes.py as long as there's a /v1 route it can et all the possible routes? | 20:38 |
annegentle | get, eat, et, whatever :) | 20:38 |
arrsim | I am trying to bulid things iteratively, so in the middle step the projects don't have any RST, so in the mean time I have a repository of converted RST files that can power fairy-slipper | 20:41 |
arrsim | yep you can parse all the routes, but at the moment they have no data. | 20:41 |
annegentle | arrsim: thinking of Monty's comment "because it looks like the cinder api code is copied in and stubbed out - which _also_ doesn't solve the "up to date" problem" | 20:41 |
arrsim | we can parse them to say, highlight missing routes in the doc | 20:41 |
annegentle | arrsim: so, we'll get a baseline set of routes for at least four or five of the projects | 20:42 |
annegentle | arrsim: maybe even 6-7 projects | 20:42 |
openstackgerrit | Diane Fleming proposed openstack/api-site: Add descriptions of timestamp parameters https://review.openstack.org/216440 | 20:42 |
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annegentle | arrsim: but then still have to document how other projects can use this tool | 20:42 |
arrsim | for the time being, but as we push the documentation out to them we can start using them as the source. | 20:42 |
arrsim | we could then have one of the gate jobs regen the static RST files for the live site, or we could feed it live from an API | 20:43 |
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arrsim | I also saw Monty's concern about having it fed live from an API | 20:46 |
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annegentle | yah | 20:48 |
annegentle | I think their team's concerns are about uptime, ensuring they can troubleshoot, maybe other things I'm not thinking of | 20:48 |
annegentle | so we can meet with Monty tomorrow but this is good base layering for me | 20:49 |
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arrsim | yep, so at the moment, we can make the site static, there is nothing that relies on it to be dynamic. But. In the future, we may need to be able to query things. | 20:50 |
annegentle | got it. | 20:50 |
arrsim | But.. | 20:50 |
annegentle | and then for now, the routes are based on the WADL that exists? | 20:50 |
annegentle | or am I totally missing the point? | 20:51 |
arrsim | if we change the API to merge all the versions of an service API together, and then have a version selector of some kind. We may want to have a query API. (I'm thinking of micro versions) | 20:51 |
arrsim | yep, correct | 20:51 |
annegentle | omg likely. yah on micro versions | 20:51 |
arrsim | they are all parsed out of the WADL. | 20:51 |
annegentle | arrsim: ok. I really think that was a good cleanup step. | 20:51 |
annegentle | arrsim: the wadl check | 20:52 |
annegentle | arrsim: so we dont' have a way for a project that doesn't have WADL to make swagger, they should make it another way | 20:52 |
annegentle | for now | 20:52 |
arrsim | we can do some filtering of the JSON in the browser, but the JSON payload may get too big | 20:52 |
arrsim | that is the real constraint. | 20:52 |
arrsim | I actually do have a fully defined RST language, that covers the swagger, but to render it we will need to use the proto-type browser | 20:53 |
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arrsim | I would also like some feedback on it before getting people to write real documentation in it | 20:53 |
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annegentle | Is that what I see when I run the pecan server locally? | 20:54 |
annegentle | the prototype browser? | 20:54 |
arrsim | ype | 20:54 |
arrsim | yep | 20:54 |
annegentle | ok yeah let's get input on it | 20:55 |
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annegentle | arrsim: I'm still liking the RST plus swagger-ui idea because that is a solution I think we can get more people to understand/maintain, but that might be me worrying too much | 20:56 |
arrsim | this is what it looks like for an API request/response http://pastebin.com/r6Y2yx9m | 20:56 |
annegentle | arrsim: ok, yeah, that's what I can now view locally | 20:56 |
arrsim | so those requestexamples translate into $ref fields | 20:56 |
arrsim | it was just easier at the time | 20:57 |
arrsim | but the complexity at the moment with just relying on embedding is how versions and things like that are supported | 20:58 |
arrsim | there are also other things like filtering that will not be possible | 20:58 |
arrsim | I think that the direct embedding has it's strengths, especially in the narrative documentation sense | 20:58 |
annegentle | arrsim: I think those of us currently reading WADL+entity will want to read JSON+$ref | 20:59 |
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annegentle | at least that's the way I think of it | 20:59 |
arrsim | what do you mean by entity? My wadl isn't that strong | 21:01 |
arrsim | like the substituting thing. For common parameters? | 21:01 |
annegentle | oh the common.ent references scattered throughout | 21:03 |
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arrsim | yeah, I'm not totally sure how that is going to work. It reminds me of transclusion in mediawiki. But at the moment I haven't supported it. | 21:05 |
arrsim | it's going to be a similar problem to the one we will have when microversions comes to mess up our party | 21:06 |
arrsim | JSON+$ref seems to be used in swagger so that JSONSchema and Examples don't need to be contained in the swagger itself | 21:07 |
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arrsim | but any duplication is bad. I hate duplication, the problem is how do we solve it without making it impossible to understand the repercussion to other API's. | 21:09 |
arrsim | gosh, we have gone way off topic now | 21:09 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/api-site: Fix parameter description error. https://review.openstack.org/217477 | 21:29 |
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openstackgerrit | Ray Schneider proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Fixing typo https://review.openstack.org/219039 | 21:39 |
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arrsim | annegent_, your back.. i’m such a noob, i was talking to your dissconnected socket | 21:42 |
annegent_ | arrsim: sorry, had to drive to avoid traffice | 21:44 |
annegent_ | I'll catch up on eavesdrop | 21:44 |
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openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/openstack-manuals: Fixing typo https://review.openstack.org/219039 | 22:58 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/openstack-manuals: Typo fix for neutron-compute-node.rst https://review.openstack.org/219049 | 23:00 |
openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/openstack-manuals: Typo fix in dashboard_next_step.rst https://review.openstack.org/219044 | 23:00 |
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openstackgerrit | Atsushi SAKAI proposed openstack/openstack-manuals: Add magnum/manila/murano on Chap1/AppendixA in CLI Reference https://review.openstack.org/218147 | 23:55 |
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