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| openstackgerrit | Davanum Srinivas (dims) proposed openstack/designate: [WIP] Testing latest u-c https://review.openstack.org/318020 | 10:10 |
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| hoobaman | Hi | 13:26 |
| hoobaman | anyone alredy tested designate with an infoblox backend? | 13:26 |
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| mugsie | hoobaman: yeah infoblox themselves test it | 13:31 |
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| hoobaman | mugsie: ok thx | 14:09 |
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| mugsie | hoobaman: he is not online right now, but johnbelamaric is good point of contact for the infoblox driver | 14:11 |
| hoobaman | mugsie: ok thanks for the contact! :) | 14:15 |
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| leitan | Hi guys, i have some questions about multiple dns servers on the pool.yml file | 14:51 |
| leitan | anyone that can lend me a hand ? | 14:51 |
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| leitan | i have everything working with one instance | 14:52 |
| elarson | leitan: ask away! | 14:59 |
| leitan | elarson, | 14:59 |
| leitan | great | 14:59 |
| leitan | i have 3 powerdns | 14:59 |
| leitan | they share the database | 14:59 |
| leitan | its a galera mariadb cluster | 14:59 |
| leitan | so i want to know on the TARGET section | 15:00 |
| leitan | i have the options section with the mysql connection string | 15:00 |
| leitan | but on HOST and PORT i have only one instance of powerdns | 15:00 |
| leitan | can i name multiple instances there ? | 15:00 |
| leitan | with multiple host/port statements ? | 15:00 |
| leitan | pointing to the same DB ? | 15:01 |
| timsim | You can not. | 15:01 |
| timsim | I'm assuming you only want to write to one db? | 15:01 |
| elarson | you probably don't want to since they share the same db | 15:02 |
| timsim | Or, one node in your cluster? | 15:02 |
| leitan | on the connection string | 15:02 |
| leitan | i put the VIP address | 15:02 |
| elarson | the idea being write to one target, verify it lands on multiple nameservers | 15:02 |
| leitan | of the galera db | 15:02 |
| timsim | Sure, ok. | 15:02 |
| leitan | so the DB is not an issue | 15:02 |
| leitan | is the HOST/PORT part | 15:02 |
| leitan | of the options section that worries me | 15:02 |
| leitan | if that HOST/PORT goes down | 15:02 |
| timsim | So the only thing the host/port are used for there is notifying. | 15:02 |
| leitan | i want to keep going | 15:02 |
| timsim | So you should put the host/port of one of your PowerDNS instances there, and put the other two ips as "also-notify"s | 15:03 |
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| timsim | https://github.com/openstack/designate/blob/master/etc/designate/pools.yaml.sample#L51 | 15:04 |
| leitan | timsim, awesome, if that isntance its down, it will notify to the "also notify" and dont fail or stack trying to notify the first one ? | 15:04 |
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| timsim | As long as the database is up, it should notify all three. | 15:07 |
| timsim | If I'm reading the code right :P | 15:07 |
| timsim | I think those notifies only matter for creates though. | 15:10 |
| timsim | in Powerdns | 15:10 |
| timsim | Because it doesn't look like we send one for updates? | 15:10 |
| timsim | mugsie ^ | 15:11 |
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| leitan | timsim, thats my doubt | 15:30 |
| leitan | if that host/port on the options section on the target, if its down, it will fail ? cause if thats the case ill need to use haproxy to balance tcp | 15:31 |
| leitan | the tcp 53, so it can reach any powerdns availble | 15:32 |
| timsim | It looks like it will only fail to notify the also-notifies on creates if the database is down | 15:33 |
| timsim | It doesn't appear that notifying everyone on updates is necessary, but the also-notifies will get notified on updates, but not the primary host/port (nothing saying you couldn't put the primary in also-notify too) | 15:33 |
| timsim | and no one gets notified on deletes. | 15:33 |
| timsim | It will fail to notify the primary if the db is down too | 15:34 |
| timsim | primary == the powerdns server that has host/port specified in pool target options | 15:34 |
| leitan | timsim, http://paste.openstack.org/show/h2bRXoWbxSRomyxK4m5v/ | 15:36 |
| leitan | so this will be ok | 15:36 |
| leitan | taking into account that that the .200 is the VIP of the db cluster | 15:37 |
| leitan | sorry im missing the also_notifies | 15:37 |
| openstackgerrit | Alin Balutoiu proposed openstack/designate: Add support for Microsoft DNS Server backend https://review.openstack.org/332703 | 15:37 |
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| openstackgerrit | Alin Balutoiu proposed openstack/designate: Add support for Microsoft DNS Server backend https://review.openstack.org/332703 | 15:40 |
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| shewless | Hello. I'm trying to setup a dns such that instances with a floating IP each have a unique DNS name. I found this doc (http://docs.openstack.org/mitaka/networking-guide/adv-config-dns.html) which I think explains the "dns" side, but I *think* I need to also setup designate seperately as well. Can someone confirm? | 16:45 |
| shewless | I found this doc but it's liberty specific (I'm running Mitaka) and I'm not sure how much has changed: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/designate/install/ubuntu-liberty.html | 16:46 |
| pglass | shewless: the pool configuration is totally different in mitaka | 16:50 |
| pglass | instead of putting pool_targets and pool_nameservers in designate.conf, they go in a pools.yaml file | 16:51 |
| shewless | pglass: do you know of any documentation or examples for this? | 16:51 |
| pglass | here: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/designate/upgrade/mitaka.html | 16:51 |
| pglass | there is also backend documentation here: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/designate/backends.html with the yaml fields needed for different nameservers | 16:52 |
| shewless | pglass: okay I saw that one. So I need to install it as part of liberty and then decipher the bits that are different in the upgrade guide? | 16:52 |
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| pglass | yeah. nobody has written a mitaka install guide yet | 16:53 |
| shewless | pglass: in the end I want something like this for each floating IP. Do you know if it would be possible? hostName.projectName.domain.com | 16:53 |
| pglass | i don't have any idea how the flip stuff works... | 16:54 |
| shewless | also, is this correct: http://docs.openstack.org/mitaka/networking-guide/adv-config-dns.html sets up DNS on openstack, while http://docs.openstack.org/developer/designate/install/ubuntu-liberty.html setups up an external DNS service? | 16:54 |
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| leitan | shewless, the installing guide for liberty works for you ok, then use the pool yml part to update the pool definition on the database, pools are now persisted there an its config | 17:15 |
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| shewless | leitan: thanks. I'll give it a try. | 17:19 |
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| leitan | shewless, let me know, i have successfully installed a mitaka deployment with FIP neutron integration a couple of days ago | 17:20 |
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| shewless | leitan: that is awesome. how long did it take? :) | 17:21 |
| shewless | leitan: does the FIP get a DNS automatically or do you have to do a command to make it happen? | 17:22 |
| leitan | nope | 17:22 |
| leitan | neutron puts a message on the queue | 17:22 |
| leitan | designate picks ups this message | 17:23 |
| leitan | thats floatingip.associate or something like this | 17:23 |
| leitan | then grabs the FIP from the message and create the record on designate | 17:23 |
| leitan | and then designate propagate the record to your dns backend/target | 17:23 |
| mugsie | leitan: ah, you used sink? | 17:23 |
| leitan | mugsie, yes i did | 17:23 |
| mugsie | the new integration in mitaka means that neutron calls us directly | 17:24 |
| mugsie | (our HTTP API) | 17:24 |
| leitan | mugsie, didnt try that yet, the adv-config-dns guide | 17:24 |
| mugsie | yeah | 17:24 |
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| mugsie | just avoids using a queue. and means that it is more reliable | 17:24 |
| mugsie | (as queues can drop messages) | 17:25 |
| leitan | mugsie, does the notification from neutron retries to designate ? | 17:25 |
| mugsie | nope | 17:25 |
| mugsie | neutron just dumps it on a queue | 17:25 |
| mugsie | it doensnt care if it is read at all | 17:25 |
| leitan | mugsie, i know, on sinks op mode | 17:25 |
| leitan | but on direct http call mode | 17:25 |
| leitan | retries ? | 17:25 |
| mugsie | oh, yeah. its should | 17:26 |
| mugsie | it* | 17:26 |
| shewless | leitan: the setup you have.. is it the one that has performance implications? | 17:26 |
| leitan | mugsie, ok, ill take a look, because if dont, its more unreliable than the queue method, we use queing the queue for metering and we dont loose any message on our queue cluster | 17:26 |
| Krenair | Ah, my bug about not being able to create origin domains as records was a dupe, okay | 17:28 |
| Krenair | But I saw https://review.openstack.org/#/c/337773/3/designatedashboard/dashboards/project/dns_domains/forms.py | 17:28 |
| Krenair | Why aren't CNAME/PTR covered? | 17:28 |
| Krenair | Dunno about SRV | 17:29 |
| mugsie | neither should be at the root of a domain | 17:29 |
| mugsie | well. | 17:29 |
| mugsie | CNAME can be, but we disallow it | 17:29 |
| mugsie | (in the API) | 17:29 |
| Krenair | Say you control IP 123.123.123.123 | 17:29 |
| Krenair | the operator grants you domain 123.123.123.123.in-addr.arpa. | 17:29 |
| Krenair | you should be able to create a PTR record at the root of this domain | 17:30 |
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| mugsie | true. We assume that most operators will not do that | 17:31 |
| mugsie | so, PTR may need to move down | 17:31 |
| Krenair | But I think it's a valid use case | 17:31 |
| Krenair | you're right most won't | 17:31 |
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| shewless | in the liberty doc there is a configure the pool section. something about [pool:794ccc2c-d751-44fe-b57f-8894c9f5c842]. Is that required for Mitaka? | 17:36 |
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| Krenair | mugsie, any thoughts about SRV? I've honestly never used that type | 17:36 |
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| mugsie | shewless: no | 17:38 |
| shewless | excellent | 17:39 |
| shewless | that part looks confusing :) | 17:39 |
| mugsie | Krenair: SRV have a very defined recordset name format, so wiht our current validation, they cant go in the root | 17:39 |
| mugsie | shewless: yeap. thats why we got the yaml file in for mitaka | 17:39 |
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| Krenair | mugsie, okay, thanks. should I upload a patch for PTR? | 18:01 |
| mugsie | yeah, please do | 18:01 |
| mugsie | :) | 18:01 |
| shewless | when I run this command: "sudo su -s /bin/sh -c "designate-manage pool-manager-cache sync" designate" | 18:06 |
| shewless | I get this error: DbMigrationError: Pool Manager Cache requires its own database. Please check your config file. | 18:06 |
| shewless | I setup a designate_pool_manager database | 18:06 |
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| shewless | but I didn't setup the pool manager stuff. Do I need to run designate-manage pool update first? | 18:07 |
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| Krenair | mugsie, I wanted to get my own devstack environment set up so I could test designate changes properly locally | 18:09 |
| Krenair | Unfortunately I ran into issues with a different OpenStack project, and no one has been able to fix it | 18:10 |
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| shewless | any recommendations on the DNS server? Was going to use bind but maybe powerDNS is easier? | 18:11 |
| mugsie | shewless: did you set https://github.com/openstack/designate/blob/master/etc/designate/designate.conf.sample#L375 ? | 18:12 |
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| mugsie | Bind & powerdns are both fully tested | 18:12 |
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| mugsie | personally I prefer powerdns | 18:13 |
| mugsie | but peope get attached to bind | 18:13 |
| shewless | mugsie: no I didn't set that.. I thought maybe I didn't need to in Mitaka.. thanks I'll set it | 18:13 |
| shewless | mugsie: thanks I think powerdns looks slightly easier | 18:14 |
| openstackgerrit | Alexander Monk proposed openstack/designate-dashboard: Follow-up Ibddffc5f: Also allow PTR records pointing to the domain itself https://review.openstack.org/353671 | 18:14 |
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| Krenair | mugsie, done ^ | 18:26 |
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| shewless | mugsi, leitan: any reason why I couldn't just follow http://docs.openstack.org/mitaka/networking-guide/adv-config-dns.html? | 18:57 |
| shewless | I mean.. what does "external dns" get me? I'm confused | 18:57 |
| leitan | shewless, no reason | 18:58 |
| shewless | leitan: I mean.. it's missing all the stuff about setting up bind, etc.. do I need that? | 18:58 |
| leitan | shewless, you will need that , so designate can update your actual dns ... if its bind or powerdns | 18:59 |
| leitan | the ones that will actually resolv | 19:00 |
| shewless | leitan: if I already have a bind9 service in my lab. I know I want to integrate that somehow but I'm not sure how | 19:00 |
| leitan | shewless, you can totally do that check http://docs.openstack.org/developer/designate/backends/bind9.html | 19:01 |
| leitan | shewless, just a few things you need to change | 19:01 |
| shewless | leitan: this would give openstack direct control to my bind server right? Is it possible to create another bind server which somehow interacts with the main bind server? | 19:02 |
| leitan | yes, but thats just plain DNS, nothing to do with designate, you can allow transfer from your "designate bind" to your main productive bind | 19:03 |
| leitan | shewless, you can use the "also-notifies" too | 19:03 |
| shewless | leitan: so setup a sort of "internal" bind server just for openstack and then set the also-notifies to notify my main bind server - is that what you mean? | 19:04 |
| pglass | i think that setup will work for zone updates, but not creates and deletes (out of the box) | 19:05 |
| pglass | i.e. bind doesn't support replicating zone creates/deletes | 19:05 |
| leitan | shewless, thats an option | 19:06 |
| leitan | shewless, or for example, you can mount 3 bind servers | 19:06 |
| leitan | shewless, just for your cloud | 19:06 |
| leitan | and delegate only cloud domains to it | 19:06 |
| leitan | make it authoritative for shewlesscloud.com | 19:06 |
| leitan | and you keep your main dns, for other "legacy" things | 19:06 |
| leitan | untouched | 19:06 |
| leitan | shewless, there are a lot of ways of acomplish this | 19:07 |
| leitan | the last one is what i mainly do on production with clients | 19:07 |
| leitan | that has legacy dns servers | 19:07 |
| shewless | leitan. I think that last one might work the best | 19:08 |
| shewless | leitan: just curious - what did you mean about mounting "3" bind servers.. why 3? | 19:11 |
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| leitan | shewless, just random number for redundancy purposes | 19:20 |
| leitan | ns1.shewlesscloud.com, ns2.shewlesscloud.com, ns3.shewlesscloud.com | 19:21 |
| leitan | the 3 authoritative for your cloud zones | 19:21 |
| leitan | just not to depend on one bind server/instance | 19:21 |
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| leitan | you can use 2 servers too | 19:22 |
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| shewless | leitan: I see. thanks. I'll have to think about this. would be easier to give openstack access to the existing bind server but I don't think my network admin will go for that :) | 19:27 |
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| leitan | shewless, thats the usual behaviour haha | 19:27 |
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