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| thetrav | INFO eventlet.wsgi [-] 10.16.48.21 - - [11/Dec/2014 03:01:13] "GET //servers HTTP/1.1" 404 342 0.000560 | 03:06 |
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| thetrav | to me that looks like the python-designateclient has a funky path? double slash | 03:06 |
| thetrav | ping Kiall | 03:06 |
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| thetrav | ping anyone in an Australian timezone :P | 03:12 |
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| thetrav | hello ryan | 03:52 |
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| thetrav | any contributors awake yet? | 05:24 |
| thetrav | or anyone else for that matter | 05:24 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/designate: Imported Translations from Transifex https://review.openstack.org/140930 | 06:10 |
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| openstackgerrit | nayna-patel proposed openstack/designate: Adds "domain-servers-list" to test_domains.py https://review.openstack.org/140935 | 06:57 |
| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/designate: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/140939 | 07:13 |
| openstackgerrit | nayna-patel proposed openstack/designate: Adds negative tests to test_servers.py https://review.openstack.org/140968 | 07:32 |
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| Kiall | rjrjr: about? | 11:00 |
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| untriaged-bot | Untriaged bugs so far: | 11:02 |
| untriaged-bot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1390357 | 11:02 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1390357 in designate "Designate sync creates duplicated records in powerdns backend" [Medium,New] | 11:02 |
| untriaged-bot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1289444 | 11:02 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1289444 in designate "Designate with postgres backend is having issues" [Undecided,New] | 11:02 |
| untriaged-bot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1338256 | 11:02 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1338256 in designate "There's no record validation in v2" [Undecided,New] | 11:03 |
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| Kiall | Guess not | 11:13 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/designate: Adds negative tests to test_servers.py https://review.openstack.org/140968 | 12:26 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/designate: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/140939 | 12:27 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/designate: Imported Translations from Transifex https://review.openstack.org/140930 | 12:27 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/designate: Standardize creation of rpcapi client instances https://review.openstack.org/140347 | 13:42 |
| openstackgerrit | Kiall Mac Innes proposed openstack/designate: Cleanup validation regex's https://review.openstack.org/141056 | 14:14 |
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| openstackgerrit | Kiall Mac Innes proposed openstack/designate: Cleanup validation regex's https://review.openstack.org/141056 | 14:21 |
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| rjrjr | Kiall: i'm on. | 14:36 |
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| Kiall | rjrjr: sorry, missed that ping earlier | 15:51 |
| Kiall | still about? | 15:51 |
| rjrjr | i'm here. | 15:54 |
| Kiall | Cool - So, you wanted to chat re the config stuff? | 15:54 |
| rjrjr | yes. | 15:55 |
| Kiall | I read the scrollback you posted.. I think we have more than just powerdns DB that wants to use a CLI command, or use the options outside the pool manager | 15:55 |
| Kiall | for example - we have a bunch of debugging commands as part of the Akamai backend at HP | 15:55 |
| rjrjr | okay. | 15:55 |
| rjrjr | shouldn't the backend plugin encapsulate all the pieces for the backend? | 15:56 |
| Kiall | Well, the akamai code we have is a true plugin and does just that - CLI commands, config, API extensions, additional services all encapsulated in a separate repo | 15:57 |
| Kiall | "PowerDNS" is more a driver than than plugin I guess, so it's pieces should either live as is in-tree, or in-tree under a designate/powerdns folder or something.. But that doesn't exclude the CLI needing to read the commands etc :) | 15:58 |
| rjrjr | okay. i think we can initialize the server objects in central so they are available to more than just pool manager. | 15:58 |
| rjrjr | the server objects contain the backend configurations. | 15:59 |
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| rjrjr | and i'm guessing the task that is repeated in powerdns is not the initialization/sync of the database, but the creation/deletion of a domain/zone. | 16:00 |
| rjrjr | once for each server, correct? even though there is a single database. | 16:00 |
| Kiall | Well, I think we leave that as is (for now) and unblock ourselves, I'm finally getting a chance today to get back to the config stuff - which is a somewhat general cleanup of our config stuff, which happens to help with the pools+pdns issue | 16:00 |
| Kiall | I think we can* | 16:00 |
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| rjrjr | so, if i'm a new user of designate and i want to create a backend plugin that i don't want to share with the community and it has a database like powerdns, i can't just create the backend plugin, but i also have to customize other Designate code. that seems wrong to me. | 16:02 |
| rjrjr | but, honestly, that is a different issue than what you are working on, but kinda related to how we organize things. | 16:03 |
| rjrjr | Kiall: sounds like you are saying we are good, until you find out otherwise. am i correct? | 16:06 |
| Kiall | rjrjr: re "but i also have to customize other Designate code." not at all, our Akamai plugin is entirely encapsulated and has a DB, CLI commands, API extension etc etc | 16:06 |
| Kiall | (was AFK for a sec) | 16:07 |
| rjrjr | i understand. i was thinking more how powerdns is integrated into Designate. we did customize manage for it. | 16:07 |
| Kiall | Well, we added an additional powerdns command :) | 16:08 |
| Kiall | (which can be done out-of-tree) | 16:08 |
| rjrjr | okay. i'm good if you are good. was just brainstorming. | 16:08 |
| Kiall | Anyway - yea, we probably want to make some of those extras into part of the backend plugin API, and put generic CLIs etc out front | 16:09 |
| Kiall | But separate issue I reckon :) | 16:09 |
| rjrjr | that is what i was thinking. kinda related though if we were going to start reorganizating to accomodate those things for powerdns. | 16:09 |
| rjrjr | so, in the backend driver for powerdns, is it possible to detect an existing domain before trying to create again? how will you handle the duplicate work? | 16:10 |
| Kiall | Yea, I don't think this change would need to change more to support that etc etc | 16:10 |
| Kiall | Ah - That's a separate issue, where I think we need to change the model from "pools have servers" to "pools have servers and targets" or similar | 16:11 |
| rjrjr | (again, i assuming the issue is duplicate creation/deletion requests) | 16:11 |
| Kiall | (But I've not put enough through into ^ piece) | 16:11 |
| Kiall | and - yea the issue there is duplication of work | 16:11 |
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| rjrjr | a flag saying "shared-database: True" then the backend checks to see if the work needs to occur or not? | 16:12 |
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| rjrjr | obviously "shared-database: False" and the code does the work for each server as normal. | 16:12 |
| rjrjr | i'm concerned about this: [backend:bind9:<index>] | 16:13 |
| rjrjr | we had that initially and everyone though the <index> idea was a bad idea. that is why i changed it to <server-id>. | 16:13 |
| rjrjr | i believe that is what was being proposed yesterday. but maybe that has changed or i understood incorrectly. | 16:14 |
| rjrjr | the nice thing about leaving <server-id> is we *can* move all this into a database in the future if that seems prudent. | 16:15 |
| Kiall | Well, I don't think the change I proposed precludes it going into the DB.. It's a model change, and can be represented in the API easily enough as /pools/<id>/targets (targets really is the wrong word ;)) | 16:16 |
| Kiall | I think it provides a generic way to handle different cases where a shared DB exists - FreeIPA, PowerDNS, clustered nominum etc | 16:17 |
| Kiall | But - I haven't put enough thought into it yet to be able to give a coherent argument either way ;) | 16:17 |
| Kiall | (sorry - prepping for 1:1 with thierry ;)) | 16:17 |
| Kiall | hence delays responding.. | 16:17 |
| rjrjr | if we replace <server-id> with <index> then we'll need a server-id as an key-value pair of the server specific sections. | 16:18 |
| rjrjr | just trying to understand what needs to change if we do this. not that it is impossible. | 16:19 |
| Kiall | Well, do we? Maybe I'm missing something - but what is the ID in-config needed for? | 16:19 |
| rjrjr | unique identifier for a server. | 16:19 |
| Kiall | (it makes sense with the current model, but if it goes to "targets", then I'm not sure it's a requirement anymore | 16:20 |
| rjrjr | we use it in the pool cache table. | 16:20 |
| Kiall | Ah - That's a good case for it | 16:20 |
| rjrjr | someone can come along later and change the IP or port. | 16:20 |
| rjrjr | but the ID is unique. | 16:20 |
| Kiall | It could be <target-id> rather than <index> and still keep the flexible model I was suggesting | 16:20 |
| rjrjr | you made these arguments to me before when i had <index> a few months back. :) | 16:21 |
| Kiall | lol - it happens - sometimes I argue against myself ;) | 16:21 |
| rjrjr | or someone did. | 16:21 |
| rjrjr | maybe vinod. | 16:21 |
| rjrjr | so, targets = <target-id>:<ip-address>:<port>, <target-id>:<ip-address>:<port>, ... | 16:23 |
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| rjrjr | targets = servers, correct? | 16:24 |
| rjrjr | or servers = <server-id>, <server-id>, <server-id> | 16:24 |
| Kiall | Well, targets is a terrible name, but it's a place to write changes to - each target is 1 backend class instance | 16:24 |
| Kiall | while servers is the list of servers to poll for status checks | 16:24 |
| rjrjr | and we keep [backend:powerdns:<server-id>] | 16:25 |
| Kiall | with pDNS - that's 1 target and N servers, the timsim agent, that's N targets and N+++ servers | 16:25 |
| Kiall | with timsim's agent& | 16:25 |
| Kiall | brb | 16:25 |
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| rjrjr | targets = <server-id>, <server-id>, <server-id> | 16:26 |
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| rjrjr | servers is also the servers to NOTIFY, correct? | 16:34 |
| rjrjr | or, with powerdns, we only need to NOTIFY one server? | 16:34 |
| Kiall | in the meet with thierry, 10 mins | 16:34 |
| rjrjr | poll-servers = <server-id>, <server-id>, ... | 16:40 |
| rjrjr | notify-servers = <server-id>, <server-id>, ... | 16:40 |
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| Kiall | zigo: about? | 17:01 |
| zigo | Kiall: Yup ! | 17:01 |
| zigo | Just arrived back home after 20 hours of flight... | 17:02 |
| Kiall | Did you see the mention of your name in the meeting room yesterday? :) | 17:02 |
| zigo | No. | 17:02 |
| Kiall | re Jessie support | 17:02 |
| zigo | Kiall: What room? | 17:02 |
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| untriaged-bot | Untriaged bugs so far: | 17:02 |
| untriaged-bot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1390357 | 17:02 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1390357 in designate "Designate sync creates duplicated records in powerdns backend" [Medium,New] | 17:02 |
| untriaged-bot | https://bugs.launchpad.net/designate/+bug/1289444 | 17:02 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1289444 in designate "Designate with postgres backend is having issues" [Undecided,New] | 17:02 |
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| Kiall | KK - Well, myself and mugsie are at a bare min willing to handle the support / provide patches as necessary etc etc. Others seemed interested too, but didn't say "Yes" right then and there... | 17:03 |
| zigo | Ah ok, cool. | 17:03 |
| Kiall | http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/designate/2014/designate.2014-12-10-16.59.log.html | 17:03 |
| Kiall | convo started at "#topic Icehouse Support Life (kiall)" | 17:03 |
| zigo | Reading... | 17:03 |
| Kiall | Q's or Concerns, ping me :) | 17:04 |
| timsim | Kiall: Quick question about your feedback here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/140818/1/designate/slappy/handler.py | 17:05 |
| Kiall | Yep? | 17:05 |
| timsim | When the response comes back, should the quetion sections be incremented by 2 for some reason? You've got (create for ex) 65280 in the request and 65282 in the response | 17:06 |
| Kiall | (BTW - The suggestion was a if we do it this way, we can support all this in the future.. Not that v1 of it should handle batch etc etc ;)) | 17:06 |
| timsim | Yeah I aint doin batch requests just now :P | 17:06 |
| Kiall | Ah - So in my example I had taken different RR types code for different meanings | 17:06 |
| Kiall | Ah | 17:07 |
| Kiall | my example is flawed ;) | 17:07 |
| Kiall | Let me re-write it | 17:07 |
| timsim | :) | 17:07 |
| zigo | Python 2.6 is *not* an issue in Jessie (we don't have py2.6 anymore there... and even in Wheezy, py 2.7 is the default). | 17:08 |
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| Kiall | timsim: http://paste.openstack.org/show/9uCuyc0xMXUueGsdInr9/ | 17:08 |
| Kiall | zigo: excellent :) | 17:08 |
| Kiall | The Q sections were intended to match exactly, the Answers section uses different codes for "Success" or "fail" etc | 17:09 |
| Kiall | (where the Q's + A's line up.. Q1 and A1 go together etc) | 17:09 |
| zigo | As for the other projects, the thing is, if projects themselves don't do the security support, downstream distros are commited to do it, but the issue with Designate, is that it's only in Debian, so not included in the support from other distros. | 17:09 |
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| timsim | Ok, that's what I thought. Thanks :) | 17:09 |
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| Kiall | zigo: well, nova/neutron/etc as a project, will have their stable/icehoure branches EOL'd soonish, leaving it to the project team to maintain outside of the projetc - if that makes sense | 17:10 |
| zigo | Infra WILL eol the branches, but the private gerrit for security will stay. | 17:10 |
| Kiall | So, I don't think we would be any different | 17:10 |
| Kiall | Ah - We don't have access to that private gerrit as far as I know | 17:11 |
| Kiall | (or I've never been told the URL before ;)) | 17:11 |
| zigo | Well, it was supposed to be setup after the Paris summit, I'm not even sure it exists yet! :) | 17:11 |
| zigo | But at least this was the discussed plan ... | 17:11 |
| zigo | ie: to have a private gerrit for security purposes. | 17:11 |
| Kiall | 99% sure there was a security gerrit a year or two back | 17:11 |
| zigo | (embargoed issues) | 17:11 |
| Kiall | Maybe they deleted it and it's coming back :) | 17:12 |
| zigo | Well, I'm 100% sure it wasn't there in November! :) | 17:12 |
| Kiall | Anyway -If that's the case, happy to keep it going there | 17:12 |
| zigo | Ok, cool. | 17:12 |
| Kiall | (or a GH organization etc) | 17:12 |
| zigo | I will do what's needed to keep Designate in then. | 17:12 |
| Kiall | Great, Anything you need from us? I remember you wanting GPG keys etc - but actually properly verified ;) | 17:12 |
| zigo | Well, we can't check fingerprints of GPG keys remotely ... :P | 17:13 |
| zigo | It's always a good thing to do, but anyway, the only thing I really need is patches when needed. | 17:13 |
| zigo | Especially, send me a patch for Icehouse during the embargo period. | 17:13 |
| zigo | (if it happens) | 17:13 |
| Kiall | Course you can! It's CABB372A4BDDEA49C21FED529D78AE5F6DD192A2 - The NSA couldn't intercept the plaintext IRC protocol ;) | 17:13 |
| zigo | :P | 17:14 |
| zigo | Kiall: Do you have your key signed by some of the guys in the community? | 17:14 |
| zigo | For example, Tristan Cacqueray (security team). | 17:15 |
| Kiall | Nobody you would trust ;) | 17:15 |
| zigo | :) | 17:15 |
| zigo | Never mind... | 17:15 |
| zigo | Ok, time for me to crash for 5 minutes ... :) | 17:15 |
| Kiall | enjoy | 17:15 |
| rjrjr | Kiall: finish our discussion? | 17:16 |
| Kiall | In theory, you could take https://gist.github.com/kiall/10c13d067d93c100c64a as proof that I really am that GitHub user (Says nothing about the real name assertion though ;)) | 17:16 |
| Kiall | rjrjr: sure :) | 17:16 |
| rjrjr | so, poll-servers: <server-id>,<server-id>,... | 17:17 |
| rjrjr | and notify-servers: <server-id>,<server-id>,... | 17:17 |
| rjrjr | do we want to separate NOTIFY and zone creation/deletion too? | 17:17 |
| rjrjr | or will poll-servers (read) and notify-servers (write) be sufficient? | 17:18 |
| Kiall | Well, "writes" (e.g. create domain) would go to a subset of the servers.. | 17:18 |
| Kiall | and a backend instance would only be created for a subset of the server | 17:19 |
| Kiall | s | 17:19 |
| Kiall | so - switching [backend:<driver>:<server-id>] to [backend:<driver>:<target-id>] seems to solve that | 17:19 |
| rjrjr | what is the need for target-id instead of just server-id? | 17:20 |
| rjrjr | we would also need a backend instead for read. | 17:21 |
| Kiall | Well - "Server" in our model+terminology is a thing that responds to end user queries, and not all of those would need to be written to | 17:22 |
| Kiall | read? I don't think we do any reading of the backends (bar a standard DNS query) | 17:22 |
| rjrjr | we poll the servers for zone information, correct? | 17:23 |
| Kiall | Correct, we poll all the servers, but there's no backend specific implementation for that .. It's a standard DNS query so no backend class instance is necessary for that task | 17:23 |
| rjrjr | okay, i see where you are coming from. | 17:24 |
| Kiall | Yea - Again - I haven't thought about this enough to say if my suggestion is idiotic or not yet ;) | 17:25 |
| rjrjr | currently, we are using [backend:<driver>:<server-id>] to encapsulate a server. | 17:25 |
| rjrjr | we poll servers and we NOTIFY servers. | 17:25 |
| rjrjr | currently. | 17:25 |
| rjrjr | i was suggesting the change would be: poll-servers: <server-id>, ... and notify-servers: <server-id>, ... and we use the poll-servers for those DNS queries and we use the notify-servers for creation/deletion/NOTIFY. | 17:26 |
| Kiall | Yep, but those are both generic DNS things, where no backend instance is needed, just a IP and Port to send to | 17:26 |
| Kiall | while the other parts, which may go to a subset (or even an entirely different dedicated DB/LDAP/tim's agent server) are what require the backend instance to be used | 17:27 |
| rjrjr | i agree. but we don't want to have even more IP and ports for the users. server is pretty understandable. | 17:27 |
| Kiall | ++ - We'll need to figure out what the right thing to do is :) | 17:27 |
| rjrjr | we have rndc-host, rndc-port, (server-)host, (server-)port | 17:27 |
| rjrjr | notify-host, notify-port (i think) | 17:28 |
| rjrjr | even people on the Designate development team has gotten what we have confused. | 17:28 |
| rjrjr | but i understand what you are saying about not needing a backend instance for any of this but creation/deletion. | 17:30 |
| rjrjr | has = have | 17:30 |
| rjrjr | a server object doesn't necessarily need to have backend_options. | 17:31 |
| rjrjr | [server:<server-id>] with backend-driver: <backend> option | 17:32 |
| Kiall | Yea - Anyway, I think this is something we can figure out post k1 - it's the other part of the conf issue blocking pDNS which is blocking everything else | 17:32 |
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| rjrjr | sure | 17:33 |
| rjrjr | do you need any help with the blocker? | 17:34 |
| Kiall | Nope, nearly there :) | 17:34 |
| rjrjr | good enough. :) i'll get back to unit tests. | 17:34 |
| rjrjr | and filing bugs. | 17:34 |
| rjrjr | and better logging. | 17:35 |
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| rjrjr | sorry, change [backend:<driver>:<server-id>] to [server:<server-id>] no need for backend-driver: <driver> option since the notify-servers: <server-id>, ... takes care of that. | 17:37 |
| rjrjr | separate notify-servers: <server-id>,... into notify-servers: <server-id>, ... and zone-servers: <server-id>, ... | 17:38 |
| Kiall | Umm - rndc options etc won't apply to pDNS or IPA etc | 17:39 |
| Kiall | So - i think the driver prefix is still valid | 17:39 |
| Kiall | maybe backend: goes? But, this can all be figured out later ;) Have 30 mins to finish the config stuff before it'll get pushed to tomorrow! | 17:39 |
| rjrjr | sure. i'll quit thinking about it. :) | 17:40 |
| rjrjr | got it. [server:<server-id>] has host and port variables. | 17:43 |
| rjrjr | [backend:<driver>:<target-id>] has server-id variable. | 17:44 |
| rjrjr | then we create another class called backend-server which extends server and we move all the backend attributes to it, leaving behind host and port attributes. | 17:45 |
| rjrjr | i'll do this in a spec/blueprint and discuss next week. | 17:46 |
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| Kiall | rjrjr: so, I have it working, and think I even have powerdns moved over.. Code isn't even WIP worthy though, It's #1 priority for me tomorrow.. So it should be up by the time you wake up :) | 20:50 |
| Kiall | BOO YA. With Pools+PowerDNS: SUCCESS: End DevStack Exercise: ./exercises/designate.sh | 21:02 |
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| Kiall | fek it, will thow the code up anyway ;) | 21:12 |
| openstackgerrit | Kiall Mac Innes proposed openstack/designate: WIP - Pools Config Changes https://review.openstack.org/141166 | 21:14 |
| openstackgerrit | Kiall Mac Innes proposed openstack/designate: WIP: Convert PowerDNS to Pools https://review.openstack.org/141167 | 21:14 |
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| openstackgerrit | Tim Simmons proposed openstack/designate: Agent - Add AXFR Capability https://review.openstack.org/140817 | 22:35 |
| openstackgerrit | Tim Simmons proposed openstack/designate: Agent - Add basic NOTIFY support https://review.openstack.org/140816 | 22:35 |
| openstackgerrit | Tim Simmons proposed openstack/designate: Agent - Add Backend Capabilities https://review.openstack.org/140819 | 22:35 |
| openstackgerrit | Tim Simmons proposed openstack/designate: Agent - Add Support for Receiving Unassigned OPCODEs https://review.openstack.org/140818 | 22:35 |
| Kiall | rjrjr: ^ BTW would appreciate review, especially on the first as it changes how pools config I'd handled.. | 22:36 |
| timsim | Kiall: Implemented your suggestions (mostly) in the OPCodes thing there (although it is now not so aptly named) ^ | 22:37 |
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| Kiall | Timsim: cool :) | 22:45 |
| Kiall | Can't review tonight though... Gone ;) | 22:45 |
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