Monday, 2014-06-09

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KiallHeya10:52
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openstackgerritKiall Mac Innes proposed a change to stackforge/designate: DevStack: Support devstack with bind9 backend on Fedora  https://review.openstack.org/9732411:16
openstackgerritKiall Mac Innes proposed a change to stackforge/designate: DevStack: Split backends out into plugins  https://review.openstack.org/9861611:16
openstackgerritKiall Mac Innes proposed a change to stackforge/designate: Add DevStack Vagrantfile  https://review.openstack.org/9858711:16
openstackgerritKiall Mac Innes proposed a change to stackforge/designate: DevStack: Support PowerDNS on Fedora  https://review.openstack.org/9863011:16
openstackgerritKiall Mac Innes proposed a change to stackforge/designate: DevStack: Support running with bind9 as non-root user  https://review.openstack.org/9861011:16
openstackgerritKiall Mac Innes proposed a change to stackforge/designate: DevStack: Use a timeout rather than hard sleep  https://review.openstack.org/9861111:16
openstackgerritKiall Mac Innes proposed a change to stackforge/designate: DevStack: Default to PowerDNS rather than the fake backend  https://review.openstack.org/9859911:16
openstackgerritKiall Mac Innes proposed a change to stackforge/designate: DevStack: Ensure PowerDNS is configured correctly  https://review.openstack.org/9859811:16
KiallFixing a bug in the 1st change in an 8 patchset series == painful11:16
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openstackgerritKiall Mac Innes proposed a change to stackforge/designate: DevStack: Support devstack with bind9 backend on Fedora  https://review.openstack.org/9732412:16
openstackgerritKiall Mac Innes proposed a change to stackforge/designate: DevStack: Split backends out into plugins  https://review.openstack.org/9861612:16
openstackgerritKiall Mac Innes proposed a change to stackforge/designate: Add DevStack Vagrantfile  https://review.openstack.org/9858712:17
openstackgerritKiall Mac Innes proposed a change to stackforge/designate: DevStack: Support PowerDNS on Fedora  https://review.openstack.org/9863012:17
openstackgerritKiall Mac Innes proposed a change to stackforge/designate: DevStack: Support running with bind9 as non-root user  https://review.openstack.org/9861012:17
openstackgerritKiall Mac Innes proposed a change to stackforge/designate: DevStack: Use a timeout rather than hard sleep  https://review.openstack.org/9861112:17
openstackgerritKiall Mac Innes proposed a change to stackforge/designate: DevStack: Default to PowerDNS rather than the fake backend  https://review.openstack.org/9859912:17
openstackgerritKiall Mac Innes proposed a change to stackforge/designate: DevStack: Ensure PowerDNS is configured correctly  https://review.openstack.org/9859812:17
openstackgerritKiall Mac Innes proposed a change to stackforge/designate: DevStack: Migrate from keystone CLI to OpenStack CLI  https://review.openstack.org/9876412:17
openstackgerritKiall Mac Innes proposed a change to stackforge/designate: DevStack: Support configuring bind host/port  https://review.openstack.org/9876512:17
Kiall^ mugsie's fault ;)12:17
Kialland .. my fault this time :(12:33
openstackgerritKiall Mac Innes proposed a change to stackforge/designate: DevStack: Support devstack with bind9 backend on Fedora  https://review.openstack.org/9732412:33
openstackgerritKiall Mac Innes proposed a change to stackforge/designate: DevStack: Split backends out into plugins  https://review.openstack.org/9861612:33
openstackgerritKiall Mac Innes proposed a change to stackforge/designate: Add DevStack Vagrantfile  https://review.openstack.org/9858712:33
openstackgerritKiall Mac Innes proposed a change to stackforge/designate: DevStack: Support PowerDNS on Fedora  https://review.openstack.org/9863012:33
openstackgerritKiall Mac Innes proposed a change to stackforge/designate: DevStack: Migrate from keystone CLI to OpenStack CLI  https://review.openstack.org/9876412:33
openstackgerritKiall Mac Innes proposed a change to stackforge/designate: DevStack: Support running with bind9 as non-root user  https://review.openstack.org/9861012:33
openstackgerritKiall Mac Innes proposed a change to stackforge/designate: DevStack: Support configuring bind host/port  https://review.openstack.org/9876512:33
openstackgerritKiall Mac Innes proposed a change to stackforge/designate: DevStack: Use a timeout rather than hard sleep  https://review.openstack.org/9861112:33
openstackgerritKiall Mac Innes proposed a change to stackforge/designate: DevStack: Default to PowerDNS rather than the fake backend  https://review.openstack.org/9859912:33
openstackgerritKiall Mac Innes proposed a change to stackforge/designate: DevStack: Ensure PowerDNS is configured correctly  https://review.openstack.org/9859812:33
openstackgerritKiall Mac Innes proposed a change to stackforge/designate: DevStack/Vagrant: Don't configure LOGFILE by default  https://review.openstack.org/9877512:36
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openstackgerritA change was merged to stackforge/designate: API now passes objects to central  https://review.openstack.org/9519813:18
openstackgerritKiall Mac Innes proposed a change to stackforge/designate: DevStack/Vagrant: Set # of CPU's to # of physical cores  https://review.openstack.org/9878713:25
openstackgerritKiall Mac Innes proposed a change to stackforge/designate: DevStack Gate: Enable Designate exercises  https://review.openstack.org/9878813:25
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openstackgerritKiall Mac Innes proposed a change to stackforge/designate: DevStack Gate: Enable Designate exercises  https://review.openstack.org/9878814:34
openstackgerritKiall Mac Innes proposed a change to stackforge/designate: DevStack Gate: Enable Designate exercises  https://review.openstack.org/9878814:35
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openstackgerritRichard Megginson proposed a change to stackforge/designate: devstack exercise for deletion, dns checking  https://review.openstack.org/9762814:52
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Kiallrichm: heya14:56
Kiallre https://review.openstack.org/#/c/97628 - is there a reason we're keeping the DESIGNATE_TEST_DOMAIN_FIX stuff in there when those variables don't exist?14:57
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richmThey don't exist?  They were added as part of the commit "add sink support to designate devstack"15:00
KiallWe had to revert that patch - something it did was breaking the devstack gate, and blocking TC people from voting!15:00
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richmok15:00
KiallAlso - specical casing those domains in there seems odd15:01
richmmy intention was to have a domain for fixed ips and a separate domain for floating ips15:01
richmso we could have a nova handler and a neutron (or other) handler at the same time15:02
richmusing different domains15:02
KiallYea, makes sense.. But special casing those domains in get_or_create_domain seems odd?15:02
richmok - I guess we could just pass in all the parameters necessary to create the domain in the get_or_create_domain_id() function arguments15:04
richmI'll rework the patch15:04
KiallDo they need special values for the email/ttl/description? It seems they could just use the values from the "else" branch of the if/elif/else ?15:05
richmIf the email needs to be domain specific, I'll need to remove the trailing "." to construct the email address15:05
Kialle.g. just removing the if/elif and keeping only the else branch should work when that patch get's re-instated?15:06
KiallOh - The email doesn't need to be domain specific15:06
richmotherwise, right, just hard code all the values as in the else case15:06
richmok15:06
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openstackgerritRichard Megginson proposed a change to stackforge/designate: devstack exercise for deletion, dns checking  https://review.openstack.org/9762815:19
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openstackgerritKiall Mac Innes proposed a change to stackforge/designate: DevStack Gate: Enable Designate exercises  https://review.openstack.org/9878815:32
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jaycazHello again, the intern is back.  I have been looking at the logging system for the past few days and have collected some data to figure out what needs to be changed with Designate's logging system.  To get a better overview, I compared the breakdown of Designate's log statements with those of Nova, which I assumed has a better collection of log statements (please let me know if you disagree).  You can find the results here: http://imgu16:01
jaycazI also have a couple of questions that I wanted to ask the community before moving further on this.16:02
richmjaycaz: can you give a better link?  http://imgu is not sufficient16:05
richmjaycaz: if you need a pastebin, you can use http://paste.openstack.org/16:05
jaycazsure thing, but can paste.openstack.org handle images?16:06
richmI don't know - if you need to use a different service, then use imgu I guess, not sure what is recommended16:07
jaycazI have a couple of charts.  Is there an image pasting service that anyone can recommend?16:08
richmjaycaz: If no one replies in the next few minutes, go ahead and use imgu16:09
richmI think you meant imgur.com16:10
jaycazah, sorry, it got cut off16:10
jaycazhttp://imgur.com/BtNcDGJ16:10
betsythat works. :)16:10
jaycazHere was the rest: "You can find the results here: http://imgur.com/BtNcDGJ16:10
jaycaz11:0216:10
jaycazI also have a couple of questions that I wanted to ask the community before moving further on this."16:10
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jaycazDidn't realize there was a character count.  I'll try to be less verbose next time :P16:11
richmcharacter count?16:13
jaycazI think there's a max number of characters that will get set out?  The whole message shows up fine on my IRC client (Adium) but on betsy's, it stopped at http://imgu16:14
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richmon mine too - all I see is http://imgu16:14
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betsyDoes the new link work for you?16:14
betsyI did for me16:14
betsy*it*16:15
richmyes, the new link works for me16:15
richmit is a server problem/restriction - http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-dns/%23openstack-dns.2014-06-09.log shows truncation too16:15
richmok - we have the image - what are the questions?16:16
jaycazFirst of all, the chart hints to me that there are quite a lot of INFO statements, and some should possibly be moved to a higher level. So: it is ever acceptable for INFO statements to be used to report errors?16:18
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jaycazFor example, I found cases where INFO statements are used in an except block16:20
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betsyHere’s an article on Openstack logging Standards: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/LoggingStandards16:21
betsyIt has definitions of the different log levels16:23
jaycazah, this is a good resource. thanks!16:23
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betsyThere’s also this: http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-ops/content/logging_monitoring.html16:26
betsyIt’s for the users of openstack, but it gives examples of what the user should expect in each category16:26
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jaycazokay, that clears a lot up16:29
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jaycazI still have a few questions though, hopefully  less obvious ones now16:30
jaycaz1: Has anyone defined what the audit level is for?  Even the definitions section just says: "Audit: (An OpenStack invented, level, still not sure what we should be doing with it)16:31
jaycaz"16:31
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openstackgerritKiall Mac Innes proposed a change to stackforge/designate: DevStack Gate: Enable Designate exercises  https://review.openstack.org/9878816:34
KiallHeya16:35
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Kiallbetsy / vinod - I have another pile of devstack patches (I think I'm up to 14) that lead up to a (nearly-)working devstack gate exercises run - another TC vote hold up :( They start here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/98587/ Could you guys review?16:36
betsyYes. Sorry. I was swamped on Friday16:37
vinodi am reviewing them currently - but do not understand enough to get them to run16:37
KiallI did them over the weekend :)16:37
vinodfor this change - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/9858716:37
vinodis this for setting up a vagrant environment with devstack+designate?16:38
KiallYep - Easier to test devstack stuff in a clean environment, while also supporting both ubuntu and fedora :)16:38
KiallThe quick "how to run" is to clone, `cd contrib/devstack`, `vagrant up ubuntu`, `vagrant ssh ubuntu`, `cd devstack` and finally `./stack.sh`16:39
Kiall(or you can s/ubuntu/fedora/ and get a f20 VM instead of ubuntu)16:40
vinodOn running vagrant up ubuntu, I see the error "* The box 'rhefner/devstack-dependencies' could not be found."  Investigating16:44
openstackgerritKiall Mac Innes proposed a change to stackforge/designate: DevStack Gate: Enable Designate exercises  https://review.openstack.org/9878816:45
openstackgerritKiall Mac Innes proposed a change to stackforge/designate: DevStack: Sync up our service startup commands  https://review.openstack.org/9883216:45
openstackgerritKiall Mac Innes proposed a change to stackforge/designate: DevStack: Sync up our logging options  https://review.openstack.org/9883316:45
KiallAnd - Last 3 - I swear (unless the last one fails the gate!)16:46
Kiallvinod: ah - you must have an old vagrant installed?16:46
vinodVagrant 1.4.316:46
KiallThey introduced hosted box downloads relatively recently - which it uses16:46
KiallI think they added it in 1.516:47
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Kiall(The very last review in that chain of patches is important for the TC vote :( - DevStack Gate: Enable Designate exercises)16:49
openstackgerritKiall Mac Innes proposed a change to stackforge/designate: DevStack/Vagrant: Specify the minimum supported Vagrant version  https://review.openstack.org/9883516:53
vinoddownloading ubuntu - could take about 40 mins16:54
Kiallvinod: ^ .. I've added it as a patch on the end, if I rebase, it'll be days before they land - the check queue is huge16:54
Kiallvinod: really? Do you guys not have fast internet at rackspace? Takes about 10 mins here ;)16:54
vinodi will review the other changes will it gets done16:55
vinodthe current recommendation seems to be to use local.conf instead of localrc - http://devstack.org/localrc.html16:56
KiallYea, trying to do that failed for me, and the devstack-gate still uses a localrc so I went with it :)16:57
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Kialljaycaz: I tend to think of AUDIT as being for audit trail style stuff17:42
Kialle.g. someone just did something which we should record17:43
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vinodKiall:  I see 2 more errors while running vagrant up ubuntu18:24
vinodgrep: /proc/cpuinfo18:24
vinodgrep: /proc/cpuinfo: No such file or directory18:25
vinodA customization command failed:18:25
vinod["modifyvm", :id, "--cpus", "       0"]18:25
vinodThe following error was experienced:18:25
vinod#<Vagrant::Errors::VBoxManageError: There was an error while executing `VBoxManage`, a CLI used by Vagrant18:25
vinodfor controlling VirtualBox. The command and stderr is shown below.18:25
vinodCommand: ["modifyvm", "39af0b45-23f6-4219-b291-6944c3937690", "--cpus", "       0"]18:25
jaycazHey Kiall, would you mind if I asked you a few questions whenever you're not so busy?18:26
vinodI was running this on a macos18:26
vinodif the devstack gate job runs where /proc/cpuinfo is available for now that should be fine.18:28
mugsievinod: devstack gate wont even run that command  - that vagrent file is to make life easier for development18:29
mugsievinod: you are on Mac right?18:29
vinodyes18:29
mugsiethought so18:29
mugsiecan you do a sudo ls /proc and tell me if it works?18:29
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vinodls: /proc: No such file or directory18:31
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mugsieok18:31
mugsieyeah, that is designed for a linux machine18:31
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Kiallvinod: heya - sorry was on a conference call giving a demo :(18:40
Kiallvinod: you're using a mac, aren't you? I guess that command doesn't work on mac ;)18:40
Kiall(re the cpus=0 and /proc/cpuinfo stuff)18:40
vinodThanks Kiall18:43
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vinodFor ubuntu, fedora or anything else would the powerdns service always be pdns (and not pdns-server or anything else?)18:44
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Kiallvinod: I think so, but one day someone is going to come and say "$distro calls it powerdns-server" or something ;)18:50
KiallNothing we can do really, so putting the ones we know it, and supporting additional distros in the future is the best we can do18:50
vinodagreed18:51
openstackgerritA change was merged to stackforge/designate: Add DevStack Vagrantfile  https://review.openstack.org/9858718:55
openstackgerritA change was merged to stackforge/designate: DevStack: Ensure PowerDNS is configured correctly  https://review.openstack.org/9859818:56
openstackgerritA change was merged to stackforge/designate: DevStack: Default to PowerDNS rather than the fake backend  https://review.openstack.org/9859918:56
KiallOnly 158 patches to go19:00
Kiall;)19:00
Kiallvinod: re https://review.openstack.org/#/c/98764/2/contrib/devstack/lib/designate19:02
Kiall"Is there a replacement for KEYSTONE_CATALOG_BACKEND" -> Nope - that environment variable remains the same as it was before, just the CLI tool has changed19:02
Kiallre the other comment - I left that in as it was unrelated to the current change :)19:02
vinodok19:03
KiallI really wish I had made less general fixes before the exercises fixes we really want to land.. heh19:04
KiallAlso worth mentioning - devstack keystone is broken when tls-proxy is enabled, so we have no good way to test that yet19:05
vinodso why was tls-proxy enabled?  is it needed for bind?19:06
KiallNo, it's used for serving the API's over HTTPS in DevStack, With keystone disabled, it works for designate..19:08
KiallBut keystone also uses it - badly - and stack.sh fails to complete19:08
KiallIt's a bug they have to fix :(19:08
jaycazHey Kiall, would you mind if I asked you a few questions whenever you're less busy?19:12
jaycazI'm almost ready to start working on improving the logging system and I just wanted to clear up a few things19:12
Kialljaycaz: heya - sure19:15
jaycazGreat! Just three questions for now:19:16
KiallI'll give you two ;)19:16
jaycazhaha, I'll just list them in order of importance then:19:17
jaycaz1- The audit logging level: what would you say the primary purpose of it is?  I haven't been able to find a good definition of it on the Openstack wiki19:18
Kialljaycaz: I tend to think of AUDIT as being for audit trail style stuff, e.g. someone just did something which we should record19:19
Kiallbut yea - there's no consensus on it as far as I know19:19
jaycazOkay, good to know.  2- Is log.warn() acceptable during error handling- i.e. in an "except" block?19:19
KiallYea, it is19:19
jaycazOkay, and even when the exception is reraised after handling?19:20
KiallYea, so long as it's meaningful and not a 100% duplicate of a log that get's generated caught further down the stack (If you're unsure about that, I'd err on the side of "You can't have too much logging" ;))19:21
jaycazRight, so there might be some cases where a warn() statement should be used in exception handling instead of something like error() or exception()?19:22
jaycazSorry, last question- Any guidelines/rules of thumb on when to use error() and when to use exception() (which, if I remember correctly, behaves like error() but with extra exception information)?19:22
Kialllog.execption() should generally just be passed the action exception, and should be right after a log.error() or log.critical()19:23
Kialls/action/actual/19:23
jaycazoh, so are they generally used in tandem then?19:24
KiallYea, they are... That said - Most of them time, we don't want to LOG.exception() - we really only want that for unhandled exceptions (which we already have)19:26
jaycazokay, great! thanks for your help!19:26
vinodKiall: Some questions on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/98765/19:27
vinodcould you see the comments in the review19:28
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Kiallvinod: replied19:29
KiallAlso - Could you circle back to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/97324 -  It's in the middle of a bunch of the other approved patches and will block them :)19:30
vinodKiall - you mention If tls-proxy is enabled, designate listens on the "int" port and tls-proxy on the standard port.19:32
vinodHow does this happen?19:32
KiallA mix of the generic tls-proxy stuff here: https://github.com/openstack-dev/devstack/blob/master/lib/tls19:33
Kialland .. the if/else on L107 of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/98765/2/contrib/devstack/lib/designate19:34
Kialland .. the call to start_tls_proxt on L220 of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/98765/2/contrib/devstack/lib/designate19:34
KiallBetween them, you end up with a service listing on 9001 that does HTTPS, and sends HTTP requests onto designate-api on port 1900119:35
Kialllistening*19:35
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Kiallvinod: another other Q's? :)19:55
vinodnope - getting back to reviewing now19:56
KiallCool :) Just emailing the TC with a link to the exercises output and a note that it's on it's way through to be merged :)19:57
vinodsome more questions on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/97324/20:10
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Kiallvinod: nice spots - fixing now20:12
openstackgerritKiall Mac Innes proposed a change to stackforge/designate: DevStack Gate: Enable Designate exercises  https://review.openstack.org/9878820:14
openstackgerritKiall Mac Innes proposed a change to stackforge/designate: DevStack/Vagrant: Don't configure LOGFILE by default  https://review.openstack.org/9877520:14
openstackgerritKiall Mac Innes proposed a change to stackforge/designate: DevStack: Support devstack with bind9 backend on Fedora  https://review.openstack.org/9732420:14
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openstackgerritKiall Mac Innes proposed a change to stackforge/designate: DevStack/Vagrant: Set # of CPU's to # of physical cores  https://review.openstack.org/9878720:14
openstackgerritKiall Mac Innes proposed a change to stackforge/designate: DevStack: Support PowerDNS on Fedora  https://review.openstack.org/9863020:14
openstackgerritKiall Mac Innes proposed a change to stackforge/designate: DevStack: Migrate from keystone CLI to OpenStack CLI  https://review.openstack.org/9876420:14
openstackgerritKiall Mac Innes proposed a change to stackforge/designate: DevStack: Support configuring bind host/port  https://review.openstack.org/9876520:14
openstackgerritKiall Mac Innes proposed a change to stackforge/designate: DevStack: Sync up our service startup commands  https://review.openstack.org/9883220:14
openstackgerritKiall Mac Innes proposed a change to stackforge/designate: DevStack: Sync up our logging options  https://review.openstack.org/9883320:14
openstackgerritKiall Mac Innes proposed a change to stackforge/designate: DevStack/Vagrant: Specify the minimum supported Vagrant version  https://review.openstack.org/9883520:14
KiallOnly a few patches after it in the chain.. lol20:15
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Kiallvinod: both comments addressed - going to be a few hours before ^ make it through the check queue again :'(20:17
KiallW00t - All approved.20:20
KiallIt'll be like 6 hours or so before they all merge thoiugh - I think OpenStack CI is really backed up20:20
vinod6 hrs?20:20
KiallYea probably!20:21
Kiallhttp://status.openstack.org/zuul/20:21
Kiallhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/98610/ went into the queue 1 hr 21mins ago, it literally just this moment started the last of the jobs it needs to run20:21
Kialland all ^'s patches need to go through the check queue, then the gate queue after that20:21
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timfreundI heard the phrase "Peak Zuul" last week.  Sounded like some of the timing issues you ran into with the gate job were pretty widespread?20:29
Kiall"Peak Zuul" was during a .. umm.. HP Cloud issue20:30
KiallThat was much worse than todays queue ;)20:30
KiallCan you tell when it was? ;) http://i.imgur.com/8RacD7V.png20:31
timfreundoh, nice, I didn't realize it got *that* bad!20:32
Kiall;)20:32
Kiallwoot - 3 patches have entered the gate queue ;) They should land soon.20:33
KiallThe rest will be a while20:33
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KiallIn order to get all the patches landed, another 115 HP Cloud / Rackspace VMs are going to be used for the testing.20:34
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openstackgerritA change was merged to stackforge/designate: DevStack: Support running with bind9 as non-root user  https://review.openstack.org/9861020:50
openstackgerritA change was merged to stackforge/designate: DevStack: Use a timeout rather than hard sleep  https://review.openstack.org/9861120:50
openstackgerritKiall Mac Innes proposed a change to stackforge/designate: DevStack: Split backends out into plugins  https://review.openstack.org/9861620:58
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openstackgerritA change was merged to stackforge/designate: DevStack: Split backends out into plugins  https://review.openstack.org/9861623:07
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openstackgerritKiall Mac Innes proposed a change to stackforge/designate: DevStack: Support PowerDNS on Fedora 20  https://review.openstack.org/9863023:44
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openstackgerritKiall Mac Innes proposed a change to stackforge/designate: DevStack Gate: Enable Designate exercises  https://review.openstack.org/9878823:49
openstackgerritKiall Mac Innes proposed a change to stackforge/designate: DevStack/Vagrant: Don't configure LOGFILE by default  https://review.openstack.org/9877523:49
openstackgerritKiall Mac Innes proposed a change to stackforge/designate: DevStack: Support devstack with bind9 backend on Fedora  https://review.openstack.org/9732423:49
openstackgerritKiall Mac Innes proposed a change to stackforge/designate: DevStack/Vagrant: Set # of CPU's to # of physical cores  https://review.openstack.org/9878723:49
openstackgerritKiall Mac Innes proposed a change to stackforge/designate: DevStack: Support PowerDNS on Fedora  https://review.openstack.org/9863023:49
openstackgerritKiall Mac Innes proposed a change to stackforge/designate: DevStack: Migrate from keystone CLI to OpenStack CLI  https://review.openstack.org/9876423:49
openstackgerritKiall Mac Innes proposed a change to stackforge/designate: DevStack: Support configuring bind host/port  https://review.openstack.org/9876523:49
openstackgerritKiall Mac Innes proposed a change to stackforge/designate: DevStack: Sync up our service startup commands  https://review.openstack.org/9883223:49
openstackgerritKiall Mac Innes proposed a change to stackforge/designate: DevStack: Sync up our logging options  https://review.openstack.org/9883323:49
openstackgerritKiall Mac Innes proposed a change to stackforge/designate: DevStack/Vagrant: Specify the minimum supported Vagrant version  https://review.openstack.org/9883523:49
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