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| spotz | Sent a meeting reminder for todat | 15:03 |
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| fungi | thanks! i'll be on a conference call at the same time but will try to chip in on irc | 15:34 |
| spotz | I added one question to the etherpad, but we had no action on it over the break:( | 16:04 |
| * fungi is around for meeting, though distracted by foundation staff meeting | 17:00 | |
| spotz | I'll wait to see who's here and then start | 17:00 |
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| spotz | Just want to make sure it's not just me and you so you can do your other meeting | 17:01 |
| megheisler | o/ | 17:01 |
| megheisler | Hi all, happy new year! | 17:01 |
| spotz | Hey Happy New Year | 17:03 |
| spotz | #startmeeting diversity_wg | 17:03 |
| openstack | Meeting started Mon Jan 11 17:03:24 2021 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is spotz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 17:03 |
| openstack | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 17:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to " (Meeting topic: diversity_wg)" | 17:03 | |
| openstack | The meeting name has been set to 'diversity_wg' | 17:03 |
| spotz | #topic Roll Call | 17:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Roll Call (Meeting topic: diversity_wg)" | 17:03 | |
| diablo_rojo_phon | o/ | 17:04 |
| spotz | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/diversity-wg-agenda | 17:05 |
| spotz | We only have the one item on the agenda | 17:06 |
| spotz | #topic Survey Questions for the project survey | 17:07 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Survey Questions for the project survey (Meeting topic: diversity_wg)" | 17:07 | |
| spotz | We created the etherpad before break but we all failed at our homework | 17:08 |
| spotz | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/diversity-wg-project-questions | 17:08 |
| spotz | I added the one question we had come up with last meeting though I don't think it's worded exactly | 17:08 |
| megheisler | oops, yeah I honestly forgot but will work on adding more today | 17:08 |
| spotz | I had to track the link down, I think I'd closed it during a purge | 17:09 |
| spotz | So we can work on that as a group during today's meeting | 17:10 |
| megheisler | Great! | 17:10 |
| spotz | So Ii think the one we have is a good first starting question. Or an if-then statement:) | 17:11 |
| megheisler | Do we have a link with the questions we asked last year? | 17:12 |
| spotz | This isn't the diversity survey, it is a more gerneral one to the projects. | 17:13 |
| spotz | aprice was going to add ours into it | 17:13 |
| fungi | do note aprice is busy in the same other meeting i am | 17:14 |
| megheisler | ah ok | 17:14 |
| spotz | Yeah I figured fungo:) | 17:15 |
| spotz | So think of it more of a where are you, how are you doing, and how can we help survey | 17:15 |
| spotz | So asking project members if they've even heard about the stance is a good place to start. | 17:17 |
| spotz | Or maube we lead with Do you know about the stance? Then has your project discussed it? | 17:18 |
| megheisler | Do we want to include a follow up question for people who say they haven't discussed with their project asking if they have plans to do so/want help in doing so? | 17:25 |
| spotz | Yeah I definitely think we should offer help. I think this is for all participants in the project so folks may or may not know plans | 17:26 |
| fungi | this is the annual user survey we're talking about, right? | 17:29 |
| fungi | i'm not aware of a "project survey" which just goes to contributors | 17:29 |
| megheisler | That makes sense, I think even just providing a way for people who may not be a project leader or core to ask that the project they want to work on be involved in the push to clean up the language is a good thing. Documentation has always been a good way to get involved in a project, this can even be seen by some teams as good work for people wanting to contribute | 17:29 |
| spotz | fungi I didn't think it was the user survey I thought it was something different | 17:31 |
| fungi | i believe we were talking about the user survey... individual projects get to submit questions they want asked and aprice was talking about letting us include some questions as well | 17:31 |
| spotz | I'm not 100% sure the stance would be part of the user survey at least not from how we're writing questions | 17:31 |
| spotz | Ok then we need to start over:) | 17:32 |
| fungi | also that's the openstack user survey, there are potentially similar surveys for the other open infrastructure projects like airship or kata | 17:32 |
| spotz | Well I think what we write should be applicable to all | 17:33 |
| fungi | i agree | 17:33 |
| spotz | I think we can keep the do you know about the stance question even for users | 17:34 |
| megheisler | Yeah, I agree | 17:34 |
| fungi | the "user survey" is also taken by project contributors and can be considered a general community survey | 17:34 |
| fungi | but it's not only contributors (and they may be a minority of participants) | 17:34 |
| spotz | Yeah but users may not attend the meetings, so has it been discussed is less relvenant for users then controbutors | 17:35 |
| megheisler | A follow up question with users in mind then might be more along the lines " have you noticed changes" , if they have seen an impact etc? Does that seem right? | 17:36 |
| aprice | o/ | 17:41 |
| megheisler | yeah, I think that's a good way to phrase that @spotz | 17:41 |
| aprice | i saw a few pings for me and was going to jump in but also dont want to derail a convo if it's happening | 17:41 |
| aprice | im here when it's a good time though :) | 17:41 |
| spotz | Nope you can clarify:) | 17:41 |
| spotz | Was the survey questions we were supposed to work on over the break for the user survey or for something just for the projects | 17:42 |
| aprice | so yes, this would be the user surveys that each project has | 17:42 |
| aprice | using openstack as an example, working groups and sigs are allowed to ask up to two questions | 17:42 |
| fungi | (where "each project" means openstack, airship, kata, ...) | 17:42 |
| spotz | Ok we were writing them to low level then, thinking it was our contributors in the projects | 17:42 |
| aprice | so i think that the d&i WG could add questions | 17:43 |
| spotz | Ok so we only get 2:) | 17:43 |
| aprice | fungi: yes, thanks for the clarification | 17:43 |
| aprice | spotz: yes, every WG and SIG wants many more, but teh survey is already really long | 17:43 |
| aprice | so we try to limit it to make sure people are still motivated to complete it | 17:43 |
| spotz | Ok so we might be good with (better worded versions) of do you know about the stance and have you seen an impact | 17:43 |
| aprice | yeah - and if there are places where you want elaboration, we have many different styles of questions that we can work with you on | 17:44 |
| megheisler | Do we want the follow up to be have you seen impact? Is there another one we should focus on? Just trying to get the most out of a short question. | 17:44 |
| spotz | As we're not telling the projects how to implement I don't know if we can be more detailed. I think StarlingX might be working on doc changes but Zuul could be working on code, etc | 17:46 |
| spotz | I just randomly picked those 2 like that so it was clear we weren't talking cinder and glance:) | 17:47 |
| megheisler | makes sense | 17:49 |
| spotz | But we can probably better word what I have in the etherpad to get more out of the questions;) | 17:50 |
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| spotz | aprice what's the deadline on the questions? | 17:52 |
| aprice | spotz: since the surveys are all open year-round, there is no deadline, per se | 17:52 |
| aprice | openstack is the only one we really close at a specific time to restart the new survey, which is in August. | 17:52 |
| aprice | you can add anytime, you may just not have as many responses as other teams who have had questions implemented since the beginning of the cycle | 17:53 |
| spotz | Ok, but we should still get them to you as soon as we cqn | 17:53 |
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| spotz | So maybe let's give rewording on the etherpad a 1 week time frame and then next Monday I'll send them to Allison | 17:54 |
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| megheisler | Sounds good, I do really believe the question of "Has this been discussed on your project, have changes started being made, are you seeing an impact from these changes?" are perhaps the questions we want answered to see answered. | 17:58 |
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| spotz | #action megheisler to take first crack at reworking our questions:) | 17:58 |
| spotz | :) | 17:58 |
| megheisler | haha as I was typing up that I am terrible at wording | 17:59 |
| megheisler | I'm gonna track a crack at it | 17:59 |
| spotz | That's 3 so the last one might need to be combined:( | 17:59 |
| spotz | We have 1 minute left FYI | 17:59 |
| megheisler | Ok, yeah I can work out how to combine two of those for certain | 18:00 |
| fungi | we could probably have a question which is different for different audiences (if you're a project contributor... if you're a user...) | 18:00 |
| spotz | aprice: Can we do that?:) | 18:00 |
| spotz | Cause technically I think that would give us 3 | 18:01 |
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| fungi | basically similar question with nuanced guidance for what we're asking depending on how the participant sees their association with the community | 18:01 |
| fungi | it would still technically be one question we'd just be clarifying that we're asking slightly different questions of users vs contributors | 18:01 |
| fungi | like, within the text of the question | 18:02 |
| spotz | Ok got it:) | 18:02 |
| fungi | might be a terrible idea, i really don't know ;) | 18:02 |
| spotz | We can see how it reads | 18:03 |
| spotz | We're 3 minutes over so closing the meeting | 18:03 |
| spotz | #endmeeting | 18:03 |
| megheisler | Yeah, just including the distinction in the question itself. I'm not sure how it would work but I think we can try it | 18:03 |
| *** openstack changes topic to "Please review the survey at https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/OpenStackDiversity and let spotz and/or aprice know if there's anything that needs updating per http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/diversity_wg/2018/diversity_wg.2018-06-18-19.00.log.html" | 18:03 | |
| openstack | Meeting ended Mon Jan 11 18:03:17 2021 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 18:03 |
| openstack | Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/diversity_wg/2021/diversity_wg.2021-01-11-17.03.html | 18:03 |
| openstack | Minutes (text): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/diversity_wg/2021/diversity_wg.2021-01-11-17.03.txt | 18:03 |
| openstack | Log: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/diversity_wg/2021/diversity_wg.2021-01-11-17.03.log.html | 18:03 |
| spotz | megheisler: just ping us here or via email to help | 18:06 |
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| fungi | absolutely, happy to assist if you get stuck! | 18:07 |
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| aprice | spotz: sorry, i got sucked into another meeting. let me check with jamesmcarthur on that functionality. we do that with the project questions, but i think this may be a little too complex for the tool | 18:08 |
| megheisler | Sounds good, I’ll get something up by eod. I had too much open to write it right then | 18:08 |
| aprice | will let you know as soon as i know | 18:08 |
| spotz | thanks aprice, can you ping megheisler on the answer as well? | 18:09 |
| aprice | Yep! | 18:09 |
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| jamesmcarthur | spotz: megheisler: This is possible. We'd have to put the diversity questions in a slightly different spot on the survey than the other Project-focused questions, but no problem there. | 18:34 |
| jamesmcarthur | Send us an etherpad of what you'd like to see and I think we can make it happen. | 18:35 |
| fungi | jamesmcarthur: thanks! | 18:36 |
| jamesmcarthur | fungi: NP :) | 18:41 |
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| spotz | Thanks jamesmcarthur_ | 20:59 |
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